[Dev1235] Job Adjustments

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Originally Posted by Afania

Can you answer my last question first? Lol. SE also gave my BLU Ark Tachi access, does that means SE want BLU to use a GK?



I've played with MNK tank, BLU tank, NIN tank, SAM tank, and pretty much every DD job tanking stuff without a shield, so?

Of course WAR can tank, but WAR tanking without a shield can probably produce similar or better end result as not using a shield, that's my point.

Yes I've play with WAR tank, without a shield as well. Anything a WAR can tank with a shield, they can probably tank better without it.

I also don't understand why you insist that I'm the one telling how others to play the job. I don't work for SE. If I work for SE, I'd actually want to make shield WAR more effective.

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I insist you are doing that because you said warriors who use a shield should not join any groups or do any content outside of role playing. And if that isn't telling other people how they should play their job then I don't know what would be.

I'm not going to answer your questions about Blue Mage because I don't play Blue mage and don't even know what Ark Tachi is. I already said if you wanted to try out Great Katana be my guest. I won't hold it against you. So I don't know what more you want from me about this Great Katana business.

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Originally Posted by Dale

I've played with some good warrior tanks. Just the fact you haven't, doesn't mean they aren't out there or that SE never meant for them to ever play as a tank. Perhaps if you were more tolerant of who you play with you would see a greater variety of players.

And its good you don't tell others how they should play. Though I should point out you have been doing exactly that through out this entire discussion.

And if you want to use a great katana on your BLU go for it. I won't hold it against you.

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Oh and btw, idk exactly what's your opinion about shield WAR anymore.

Are you trying to argue that shield WAR is viable because of role playing reason? If yes then we have nothing to argue here, we both agree that role playing is a valid reason to use a shield WAR, and we both agree that role playing shouldn't be about math and what's better.

But they you said "I've seen good WAR tanks"(probably with a shield). So it's back to "what's better" argument again. Can you filter out the goal of your argument first?

If you want to argue "what setup is better for WAR tank", explain how shield WAR is a better tank than using other weapons.

If you don't want to argue about what's better due to role playing reason, then no point to continue.

Just to make it even more ridiculous, would you mind defending the idea of THF wielding a dagger and a shield? I want to take this to the next level.

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Originally Posted by Afania

Oh and btw, idk exactly what's your opinion about shield WAR anymore.

Are you trying to argue that shield WAR is viable because of role playing reason? If yes then we have nothing to argue here, we both agree that role playing is a valid reason to use a shield WAR, and we both agree that role playing shouldn't be about math and what's better.

But they you said "I've seen good WAR tanks"(probably with a shield). So it's back to "what's better" argument again. Can you filter out the goal of your argument first?

If you want to argue "what setup is better for WAR tank", explain how shield WAR is a better tank than using other weapons.

If you don't want to argue about what's better due to role playing reason, then no point to continue.

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Just because I've played with good warrior tanks doesn't mean I am saying they are better than other types of warriors. Not all of us are constantly trying to compare who is better than who like you are.

I recognize that warriors can be good playing in many different ways. I've played with good Great Axe warriors. I've played with good Sword and Board warriors. I could care less who is better. All I care about is if I'm having fun and winning - which I was in both cases.

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Originally Posted by Dale

I insist you are doing that because you said warriors who use a shield should not join any groups or do any content outside of role playing. And if that isn't telling other people how they should play their job then I don't know what would be.

I'm not going to answer your questions about Blue Mage because I don't play Blue mage and don't even know what Ark Tachi is. I already said if you wanted to try out Great Katana be my guest. I won't hold it against you. So I don't know what more you want from me about this Great Katana business.

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What's wrong with saying a setup for role playing shouldn't join a content that's obviously designed for none role players? Of course if your friends can accept a role player, sure they can join them.

But if ppl don't want to raid with a role player, then it's perfectly logical. Role playing by nature, is very different from raid. Raid is about beating stuff and over coming challenge, role playing is about playing as a character you want to be.

They're just....different. If the game content is designed for ppl to beat and overcome challenge, then you can't expect everyone be a character they want to be. If the community try to overcome challenge because the content was designed that way, it's not their fault for not allowing others to be a character they want to be.

Ark tachi is a GK equip-able by all jobs. There are a lot of weapons that can be equipped by certain job, that doesn't mean it's effective.

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Originally Posted by detlef

Just to make it even more ridiculous, would you mind defending the idea of THF wielding a dagger and a shield? I want to take this to the next level.

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The only thing that is truly ridiculous in this conversation is people letting the weapon someone else is using on a video game annoy them so much.

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Originally Posted by Afania

What's wrong with saying a setup for role playing shouldn't join a content that's obviously designed for none role players? Of course if your friends can accept a role player, sure they can join them.

But if ppl don't want to raid with a role player, then it's perfectly logical. Role playing by nature, is very different from raid. Raid is about beating stuff and over coming challenge, role playing is about playing as a character you want to be.

They're just....different. If the game content is designed for ppl to beat and overcome challenge, then you can't expect everyone be a character they want to be. If the community try to overcome challenge because the content was designed that way, it's not their fault for not allowing others to be a character they want to be.

Ark tachi is a GK equip-able by all jobs. There are a lot of weapons that can be equipped by certain job, that doesn't mean it's effective.

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Yes, and warriors who use shields are capable of overcoming and beating content on this game. So I fail to understand your point.

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Originally Posted by Dale

Just because I've played with good warrior tanks doesn't mean I am saying they are better than other types of warriors. Not all of us are constantly trying to compare who is better than who like you are.

I recognize that warriors can be good playing in many different ways. I've played with good Great Axe warriors. I've played with good Sword and Board warriors. I could care less who is better. All I care about is if I'm having fun and winning - which I was in both cases.

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You're trying to tell others how they can play the game by blaming the community for not accepting a shield WAR though. Which is the same thing.

It seems that you have a lofty goal to "change" the nature of MMO because you believe it's the community that shaped the MMO nowadays, unfortunately it's the other way around.

Players are just sheeps, they simply follow the goals set by the game designer.

If the game designer wants the player to use a shield WAR, just make shield WAR effective like a shield PLD. You'd see everyone and their mother /shouting for a shield WAR in town.

There's nothing you can do to change the community, unless you're the game designer. Shield WAR will always be considered ineffective even if you post 100 pages of stuff here, criticizing anyone with a different opinion.

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Originally Posted by Afania

You're trying to tell others how they can play the game by blaming the community for not accepting a shield WAR though. Which is the same thing.

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No I'm not. I have said over and over again through-out this thread that if you don't want to play with a Warrior who uses a shield then I recognize and support your right not to. But I would never say to someone who doesn't play the way I think they should that they should never join any groups or do any content outside of role playing. That is just a ______ thing to say.

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Originally Posted by Dale

Yes, and warriors who use shields are capable of overcoming and beating content on this game. So I fail to understand your point.

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And you can't expect everyone in the community to accept a leech in their pt spot. Why do you feel like the need to criticize others for being intolerant toward a shield WAR when you're intolerant toward others yourself?

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Originally Posted by Dale

No I'm not. I have said over and over again through-out this thread that if you don't want to play with a Warrior who uses a shield then I recognize and support your right not to. But I would never say to someone who doesn't play the way I think they should that they should never join any groups or do any content outside of role playing. That is just a ______ thing to say.

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They shouldn't, unless they let everyone know that their WAR only use a shield and let the leader make the decision.

It's downright disrespectful to join a PUG without letting the leader know about shield WAR and role playing though.

It's pretty self centered to think "I wanna play as a shield WAR cuz I love role playing, so everyone else should tolerate my WAR even if I'm slowing down the entire pt"

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Originally Posted by Afania

And you can't expect everyone in the community to accept a leech in their pt spot. Why do you feel like the need to criticize others for being intolerant toward a shield WAR when you're intolerant toward others yourself?

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Just because someone doesn't play the way you think they should does not make them a leech. Just to get that out of the way for starters.

And I'm intolerant against intolerance. I suppose that would be a good way to say it.

If you don't want to play with a warrior with a shield then don't play with them. Simple as that. And I got no issues with you choosing who you play with. But if you want to criticize someone just because they play in a different way then you think they should yes, I will criticize you for that.

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Originally Posted by Dale

Only I have right to be intolerate toward the others

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I don't agree with your first statement. If you can clear the content in 20 min with proper DD aiming for highest dmg output, and ended up clearing the content in 40 min cuz your DD want to role play with a shield, they're wasting everyone else's time.

If everyone else agreed that "We're ok with 40 min clear", then I have np with that.

If one person doesn't want to spend 40 min to clear, then it's disrespectful to waste his/her time because of role play.

Everyone have their right to enjoy the game with their $12 a month.

Some ppl have fun with shield WAR role playing, this is understandable.

Some ppl can't have fun by spending more time in a content, that is their right.

You can't take away other ppl's right to enjoy the game because you enjoy the game that way.

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Originally Posted by Dale

Just because someone doesn't play the way you think they should does not make them a leech. Just to get that out of the way for starters.

And I'm intolerant against intolerance. I suppose that would be a good way to say it.

If you don't want to play with a warrior with a shield then don't play with them. Simple as that. And I got no issues with you choosing who you play with. But if you want to criticize someone just because they play in a different way then you think they should yes, I will criticize you for that.

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I don't criticize someone for playing as a shield WAR, but I WILL criticize anyone joining a pt on shield WAR without everyone else's consent.

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Originally Posted by Afania

They shouldn't, unless they let everyone know that their WAR only use a shield and let the leader make the decision.

It's downright disrespectful to join a PUG without letting the leader know about shield WAR and role playing though.

It's pretty self centered to think "I wanna play as a shield WAR cuz I love role playing, so everyone else should tolerate my WAR even if I'm slowing down the entire pt"

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That's your opinion that a warrior who uses a shield is just role playing and slowing down the entire party. As I've said, I've played with some very good warriors who use a shield. So I just don't agree with you. And to claim a warrior is being self-centered for using a shield is one of the silliest things you've said yet. And that is saying something.

And I've said over and over and over again that a group leader doesn't have to play with a warrior who uses a shield if they do not want to. I don't know how many times I must say this before it sinks in. I am not advocating that anyone be forced to play with anyone else.

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Originally Posted by Dale

That's your opinion that a warrior who uses a shield is just role playing and slowing down the entire party. As I've said, I've played with some very good warriors who use a shield. So I just don't agree with you. And to claim a warrior is being self-centered for using a shield is one of the silliest things you've said yet. And that is saying something.

And I've said over and over and over again that a group leader doesn't have to play with a warrior who uses a shield if they do not want to. I don't know how many times I must say this before it sinks in. I am not advocating that anyone be forced to play with anyone else.

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I didn't say "WAR is self centered for using a shield", I only said "WAR is self centered for using a shield AND demand everyone else to tolerate it". Stop putting words in my mouth.

Also, my "opinion" toward a shield WAR isn't "opinion" nor preference, I said that 100 times.

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Originally Posted by Afania

I don't criticize someone for playing as a shield WAR, but I WILL criticize anyone joining a pt on shield WAR without everyone else's consent.

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Well you certainly don't give that impression when you say a shield warrior should never do any content outside of role playing...

Bottom line is I would be more than happy to play with a warrior who uses a shield. It's not a valid reason to criticize someone. At least not in my opinion. But if you or your party members for what ever reasons don't want to group with one, that is entirely your right and I got no beef with that.

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Originally Posted by Afania

I didn't say "WAR is self centered for using a shield", I only said "WAR is self centered for using a shield AND demand everyone else to tolerate it". Stop putting words in my mouth.

Also, my "opinion" toward a shield WAR isn't "opinion" nor preference, I said that 100 times.

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I'm not putting words in your mouth because you assume when a warrior uses a shield they are automatically a leech who is slowing down the party. So it amounts to the same thing. So I stand by what I said.

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Originally Posted by Dale

Well you certainly don't give that impression when you say a shield warrior should never do any content outside of role playing...

Bottom line is I would be more than happy to play with a warrior who uses a shield. It's not a valid reason to criticize someone. But if you or your party members for what ever reasons don't want to group with one, that is entirely your right and I got no beef with that.

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What else do you expect? I can't change your opinion about a shield WAR, nor have interest to. I did point out it's an ineffective way to play the game math wise, but if you don't accept it then it's none of my business. It's your money and time after all.

Also it seems that you often like to force your own opinion on others and sugarcoat it into "justice" without realizing it. You're allowed to criticize others for disapproving shield WAR, you're allowed to be intolerant toward others because they're intolerant. And you do all that because everyone else is "narrowed minded", without realizing that you're not all that different.

It seems that you're no different from the ppl you disapprove of, IMO.

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Originally Posted by Dale

I'm not putting words in your mouth because you assume when a warrior uses a shield they are automatically a leech who is slowing down the party. So it amounts to the same thing. So I stand by what I said.

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A shield WAR slows down pt, which is a fact, it's not just an opinion. Try to do an event with a GA WAR, then do it again with a shield WAR, see which one clear the content faster.

You can't tell the difference between a fact and opinion?

"You suck" or "I don't like you" is an opinion.

"Using a shield on WAR would clear content slower" is a fact.

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Originally Posted by Afania

What else do you expect? I can't change your opinion about a shield WAR, nor have interest to. I did point out it's an ineffective way to play the game math wise, but if you don't accept it then it's none of my business. It's your money and time after all.

Also it seems that you often like to force your own opinion on others and sugarcoat it into "justice" without realizing it. You're allowed to criticize others for disapproving shield WAR, you're allowed to be intolerant toward others because they're intolerant. And you do all that because everyone else is "narrowed minded", without realizing that you're not all that different.

It seems that you're no different from the ppl you disapprove of, IMO.

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No because I recognize your right not to group with a shield warrior if you don't want to. So it's not nearly the same as you thinking they have no right to be in a group at all because of how they play.

I only ask that you not criticize them for it or suggest they should never join any content outside of role playing because you view them as leeches...

And I don't really think that's too much to ask.

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Originally Posted by Dale

No because I recognize your right not to group with a shield warrior if you don't want to. So it's not nearly the same as you thinking they have no right to be in a group at all because of how they play.

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They only have right if others accept them, only the pt member can give them right to be in their group, so that's the same....I don't know what kind of point you're trying to make anymore.

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Originally Posted by Afania

A shield WAR slows down pt, which is a fact, it's not just an opinion. Try to do an event with a GA WAR, then do it again with a shield WAR, see which one clear the content faster.

You can't tell the difference between a fact and opinion?

"You suck" or "I don't like you" is an opinion.

"Using a shield on WAR would clear content slower" is a fact.

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No it isn't a fact. It would depend on the circumstance. For example, my RDM and a WAR with a shield could certainly clear content faster than if I was just on my RDM. You act as if a warrior is a drag on a group under any circumstance just because he may use a shield. Which is just not the case.

You assume and compare all situations with the most ideal set ups to clear something the fastest and them dismiss anyone who doesn't fit into that dream scenario. And then for some reason you confuse this with fact.

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Originally Posted by Afania

They only have right if others accept them, only the pt member can give them right to be in their group, so that's the same....I don't know what kind of point you're trying to make anymore.

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And that's where you're wrong. A player's right to play their job as they wish is not based on rather you accept them or not. That is the point I'm trying to make.

If don't want to group with them fine. Don't group with them. But don't say things like that player shouldn't join any content other than role playing simply because you don't approve of them.

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Originally Posted by Dale

No it isn't a fact. It would depend on the circumstance. For example, my RDM and a WAR with a shield could certainly clear content faster than if I was just on my RDM. You act as if a warrior is a drag on a group under any circumstance just because he may use a shield. Which is just not the case.

You assume and compare all situations with the most ideal set ups to clear something the fastest and them dismiss anyone who doesn't fit into that dream scenario. And then for some reason you confuse this with fact.

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What I mean was, if you're duoing something with a RDM and a WAR, you will clear the content faster if the WAR use GA. If the WAR change to a shield, they you'd kill slower and clear the content slower.

How is it not a fact that WAR with a GA clear the content faster than a shield WAR?

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Originally Posted by Dale

And that's where you're wrong. A player's right to play their job as they wish is not based on rather you accept them or not. That is the point I'm trying to make.

If don't want to group with them fine. Don't group with them. But don't say things like that player shouldn't join any content other than role playing simply because you don't approve of them.

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Except this isn't just me? There are way more players that's not interested in clearing the content in 40 min instead of 20.

I also find it silly that you continue to say "Afania don't approve a shield WAR". When's the last time you see someone /shouting for a shield WAR?

Oh and btw, this is a MMORPG with group content, if you think ppl really have right to choose job out of their own free will, you're wrong. What job you can play in this game is mostly based on the other's approval, this applies to more than just shield WAR.

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Originally Posted by Afania

What I mean was, if you're duoing something with a RDM and a WAR, you will clear the content faster if the WAR use GA. If the WAR change to a shield, they you'd kill slower and clear the content slower.

How is it not a fact that WAR with a GA clear the content faster than a shield WAR?

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It is likely that a Warrior with a GA would clear content faster than a warrior wearing a shield. Yes. But that isn't what you said. And that doesn't mean a warrior with a shield is always going to be a leech and slow down a party.

Again: you assume the ideal job set up to defeat content the quickest is always present and use this fantasy to assume other jobs and play styles will be a detriment to the group. Which isn't even close to being true and certainly isn't a fact.

Anyways, at this point of time I don't even know what point you're trying to make anymore, go ahead and enjoy playing with a shield WAR! In reality they won't get invited to PUG most of the time unless their friends enjoys clearing the content slower with them!

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Originally Posted by Dale

It is likely that a Warrior with a GA would clear content faster than a warrior wearing a shield. Yes. But that isn't what you said. And that doesn't mean a warrior with a shield is always going to be a leech and slow down a party.

Again: you assume the ideal job set up to defeat content the quickest is always present and use this fantasy to assume other jobs and play styles will be a detriment to the group. Which isn't even close to being true and certainly isn't a fact.

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After 5 pages of argument, you still failed to explain HOW a shield WAR is an effective playstyle, except "My friend's shield WAR is good". Not convincing at all.

Did you notice that you're the only one advocating "Shield WAR won't slow down the group" in this entire thread? If your opinion is correct, I'd see more players supporting your opinion about WAR using a shield.

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Originally Posted by Afania

Oh and btw, this is a MMORPG with group content, if you think ppl really have right to choose job out of their own free will, you're wrong. What job you can play in this game is mostly based on the other's approval, this applies to more than just shield WAR.

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I hope you do not really believe this. Because if you think what job I play on this game is based on your approval or anyone's else's for that matter you are more mistaken than even I thought.

And I refer to you as Afania because that is your name and who I am talking to you. You aren't some entity who speaks for the greater community. Me or none of my friends would have any problems playing with a shield warrior so long as they played well and worked as a team. Not everyone thinks as you do. And the majority opinion is often the silent one, so please don't try and use shouts in Jueno as some evidence that your opinions are somehow more important than mine.

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Originally Posted by Afania

After 5 pages of argument, you still failed to explain HOW a shield WAR is an effective playstyle, except "My friend's shield WAR is good". Not convincing at all.

Did you notice that you're the only one advocating "Shield WAR won't slow down the group" in this entire thread? If your opinion is correct, I'd see more players supporting your opinion about WAR using a shield.

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I failed to do it because I am not even trying to do that. I was never trying to argue why this play style or that is more or less effective. I don't even play warrior.

My purpose in this thread was to tell players not to get annoyed at others simply because they play in different ways.

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Originally Posted by Dale

I hope you do not really believe this. Because if you think what job I play on this game is based on your approval or anyone's else's for that matter you are more mistaken than even I thought.

And I refer to you as Afania because that is your name and who I am talking to you. You aren't some entity who speaks for the greater community. Me and none of my friends would have no problems playing with a shield warrior so long as they played well and worked as a team. Not everyone thinks as you do. And the majority opinion is often the silent one, so please don't try and use shouts in Jueno as some evidence that your opinions are somehow more important than mine.

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Your ability to twist the meaning of my words is amazing. I said "other's approval", it means more than just ME.

Try to log on and join a pt on a shield WAR that's not made by Afania, do that for 1 month, see if PUG leaders start to /blist you.

I didn't say your opinion isn't important, I only point out that you're the minority.

Why I know it's minority? Cuz I know majority of the PUG leader/event leader on my server, afaik none of them would make a DD pt full of shield WAR.

If shield WAR is a high demand job in this game, I wouldn't even argue about this topic for 5 pages. I'd just say "Yes, shield war is amazing, we should just use a shield on a WAR" and end this discussion.

This one time, we had a shield WAR in our PT and despite him performing worse than he should have (through his own choice), everybody else in the PT stepped up and performed better than they should have had to and we still won. It took longer, hate was shakier, and I don't think he even actually blocked anything but it just goes to show that 5 other good players can allow the 6th to roleplay.

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Originally Posted by Afania

Anyways, at this point of time I don't even know what point you're trying to make anymore, go ahead and enjoy playing with a shield WAR! In reality they won't get invited to PUG most of the time unless their friends enjoys clearing the content slower with them!

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I could really care less who PUGS invite or who they don't. And I will enjoy playing with shield warriors :) Because I can appreciate others rather they are the very best at something or not. And if it means it takes me a couple more minutes to defeat something, I think I will live.

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Originally Posted by detlef

This one time, we had a shield WAR in our PT and despite him performing worse than he should have (through his own choice), everybody else in the PT stepped up and performed better than they should have had to and we still won. It took longer, hate was shakier, and I don't think he even actually blocked anything but it just goes to show that 5 other good players can carry the 6th to roleplay.

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Originally Posted by Afania

Your ability to twist the meaning of my words is amazing. I said "other's approval", it means more than just ME.

Try to log on and join a pt on a shield WAR that's not made by Afania, do that for 1 month, see if PUG leaders start to /blist you.

I didn't say your opinion isn't important, I only point out that you're the minority.

Why I know it's minority? Cuz I know majority of the PUG leader/event leader on my server, afaik none of them would make a DD pt full of shield WAR.

If shield WAR is a high demand job in this game, I wouldn't even argue about this topic for 5 pages. I'd just say "Yes, shield war is amazing, we should just use a shield on a WAR and end this discussion"

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And your ability to twist my words is equally amazing because I said if you think what job I play on this game is based on your approval or anyone's else's for that matter you are more mistaken than even I thought.

And you don't have to say shield warriors are amazing. Simply not be annoyed by them or say they shouldn't join any content outside of role-playing and that would suffice.

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Originally Posted by detlef

This one time, we had a shield WAR in our PT and despite him performing worse than he should have (through his own choice), everybody else in the PT stepped up and performed better than they should have had to and we still won. It took longer, hate was shakier, and I don't think he even actually blocked anything but it just goes to show that 5 other good players can allow the 6th to roleplay.

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So what. I've played with bad Great Axe warriors also. Does that mean I should go around painting all other GA warriors with the same brush? Of course not.

It's best to judge players on an individual basis and not assume things about them.

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Originally Posted by Dale

And your ability to twist my words is equally amazing because I said if you think what job I play on this game is based on your approval or anyone's else's for that matter you are more mistaken than even I thought.

And you don't have to say shield warriors are amazing. Simply not be annoyed by them and that would suffice.

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You can't change other's emotion nor POV toward the others though, it's too much to expect everyone else not to be annoyed by a shield WAR.

I agree that it's disrespectful to talk shit about others, but you can't control how you really think.

If I see a shield WAR, of course I'd have certain POV toward it that's not exactly positive, I may not say it in /p chat, but there's nothing we can do to change that.

This is just human nature, ppl tend to have opinion toward the others, sometimes it can be negative, the difference is whether they say it or not.

Also, since this game is a MMORPG, I don't agree with your opinion about jobs. Of course you can insist to play the job in certain way, you'd just have to make friends or tolerate less efficient run. Since the game punishes the player playing the job in certain way by making them spending more time killing stuff or making friends, players don't have free will to choose how they want to play in this game.

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Originally Posted by Dale

So what. I've played with bad Great Axe warriors also. Does that mean I should go around painting all other GA warriors with the same brush? Of course not.

It's best to judge players on an individual basis and not assume things about them.

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Now you're judging the player, not the gear. This is solely a gear issue. If you take a player with an axe and a shield and give that same player a greataxe instead, he will perform better. Feel free to continue defending roleplaying if you want, however. That's the only way your argument holds any water.

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Originally Posted by Afania

You can't change other's emotion nor POV toward the others though, it's too much to expect everyone else not to be annoyed by a shield WAR.

I agree that it's disrespectful to talk shit about others, but you can't control how you really think.

If I see a shield WAR, of course I'd have certain POV toward it that's not exactly positive, I may not say it in /p chat, but there's nothing we can do to change that.

This is just human nature, ppl tend to have opinion toward the others, sometimes it can be negative, the difference is whether they say it or not.

Also, since this game is a MMORPG, I don't agree with your opinion about jobs. Of course you can insist to play the job in certain way, you'd just have to make friends or tolerate less efficient run. Since the game punishes the player playing the job in certain way by making them spending more time killing stuff or making friends, players don't have free will to choose how they want to play in this game.

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But it's not the game that punishes players for playing jobs in certain ways. Players like you do. I hate to be blunt about that, but it's just the truth. And players can simply ignore these types of players and play the game as they want. So yes, they do have free will - and can be successful in the process so long as they don't try anything absurd that goes against the intended game design.

So it's very possible to complete the content on this game using a variety of different jobs and play-styles. The fact some players can't tolerate a less efficient run and seek to exclude everyone but a select few based on this obsession to clear everything as fast as possible doesn't mean the game itself does. That's a very important distinction.