Level 99 Relic, Mythic, Empyrean, and WoE Weapons

why not make these new weps another super weapon and bump the emp relic an myth to same level, I don't see how they could even see these new weps as possible, if they don't change then the only event on game is delve, they might aswell delete aby dyna salvage an every other event cos no reason to do any of em. jst level 1-99 delve an quit

As an aside, Camate, I genuinely feel for you. I believe you're an FFXI player? Typing up that translation must have been gut-wrenching. I wonder how long your cursor hovered over the create thread button. I'd bet my house that your eyes were closed when you finally clicked it.

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Originally Posted by Monchat

which would be the same as replacing the new god tier weapon by a trial to upgrade REM further (gather X amount of material from delve, say 50 ailixir+2). But then the casual would be pissed off, because that would mean having a REM is needed for new content.

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Nah, the delve weapons would still be great weapons on their own even without the upgrade. Casuals could just go after those.

This is terribly disappointing....

This is the first time I've actually felt like walking away from the game. Perhaps they should shift some manpower from XIV to help out the game that is paying for it? Just an idea.

Wow i get home from work and there are 13 pages on something that got posted this morning. I only read the first page and already realize that a lot of people need to get jobs or something because this is hilarious how ANGRAR you guys are.

The guy is blatantly on a schedule and doesn't have unlimited resources and pays us the courtesy to say, we realize that this upsets you and we see it as a problem and I won't tell you what we are doing because I don't know yet (transparency), but i will bite the bullet and tell you where we are (honesty) so that things don't spiral out of control.

And you bunch of babies cry at him.

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Originally Posted by ManaKing

Wow i get home from work and there are 13 pages on something that got posted this morning. I only read the first page and already realize that a lot of people need to get jobs or something because this is hilarious how ANGRAR you guys are.

The guy is blatantly on a schedule and doesn't have unlimited resources and pays us the courtesy to say, we realize that this upsets you and we see it as a problem and I won't tell you what we are doing because I don't know yet (transparency), but i will bite the bullet and tell you where we are (honesty) so that things don't spiral out of control.

And you bunch of babies cry at him.

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i think the idea he has in mind is pretty clear. maybe you should reread the first page instead of offending everyone?

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Originally Posted by ManaKing

Wow i get home from work and there are 13 pages on something that got posted this morning. I only read the first page and already realize that a lot of people need to get jobs or something because this is hilarious how ANGRAR you guys are.

The guy is blatantly on a schedule and doesn't have unlimited resources and pays us the courtesy to say, we realize that this upsets you and we see it as a problem and I won't tell you what we are doing because I don't know yet (transparency), but i will bite the bullet and tell you where we are (honesty) so that things don't spiral out of control.

And you bunch of babies cry at him.

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I don't know about you, but when someone proposes an idea to me that I think is shit, I tell them it's stupid.

The one idea they've put forth so far... is stupid.

I'd just like to say, IDR where i posted it.

I F**KING CALLED IT.

Still... The 40% DMG boost and aftermath is the only thing keeping some Relic WS's relevant. Or Mythics for that matter... I just... IDK Wth they're going to do. If they keep Aftermath and DMG boost in tact, yay, but Half the Relic/Emp/Mythic WS's suck anyway, and ... Mythics can already be unlocked... I mean, they must be planning to let you use them with Aftermath/BonusDMG... which is why its taking so long to do.

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Wow i get home from work and there are 13 pages on something that got posted this morning. I only read the first page and already realize that a lot of people need to get jobs or something because this is hilarious how ANGRAR you guys are.

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First off, please don't pull the "RL card", even people who agree with you will no longer agree with you if you use that argument. Also, People work varying hours of the day, I personally work fro 7~whenever i get off (I work at a Daycare now :D)... But the point remains, having a job has nothing to do with these peoples posts or anger, and its unsensible for you to result to such low means of insults King.

On that note, I really like that he's being open with us, but I'm hoping he told us the plans because he wanted our feedback on it, cause this is unacceptable. I mean, You also have to consider if Delve is the >end all< content, how are they going to top it in the future? 200 DMG Daggers? How ridiculous will it get... You guys may be on a "WOW DMG" high atm, but eventually they're either going to turn the game into "BREWS FOR EVERYONE", or they're going to go right back to sidegrades. Thats why i hate this move, its dangerous and it can only go so far before it gets ridiculous and boring.

I'm pleased to know Square-Enix realizes that an adjustment needs to take place, and while I don't agree with the course of action they spoke of above, I praise them for thinking outside the box and thinking of something new.

I love it when games take me on fun and interesting adventures, when developers can WOW me, these games are works of art, I truly believe that. You have put a lot of blood sweat and tears into this game and I respect the dedication you all put forth day in and day out. I also believe that if you have a vision, and you want to take people on that journey, It can be a miraculous interactive experience only experienced through gaming and they should go through with it.

However,

First and foremost, If you can't release any real information on the troubles at hand, and choose to tip toe around the issue... Do not release any official statement like the one you just did. You were better off saying nothing. It's highly unprofessional. It creates drama, panic, loss of stock.
With the information given thus far, I can't say i'm anything more than unimpressed, and not only by the tact that was given in relaying this brief statement.

You've given me enough slack, I've fought the good fight, now then, Lets see what you got, do you have what it takes to reel me back in?
I'm up for a change, i'm impressed with the gear you've released this past update, So I'll bite.
What exactly did you have in mind Square-Enix?

Let's take a step back and think for a second...

If SE makes these weapons and offers them to you, only you, nobody else will have them but you, will you still complain? of course not because you want to hit hard, the harder the better. The bigger the number the more fun, right? That's the reason you make RME in the first place. Now, why is it a problem when SE offers these weapons to everyone else too?

The root problem to this is the steep requirement to aquire RME. People spend too much time, even years to work on these weapons. It is understandable for them to rage when all their efforts were in vain. I feel sorry for those who just completed their RME. However, the idea of some specials weapons stay on top year after year, expansion after expansion, from the start to then end of game's life is silly.

This idea is the most stupid, idiotic half brained scheme I could have ever imagined. "I know guys, lets make it so all their hard work on a 99 REM goes to waste by turning them into KIs and relegating them to mannequin usage for eternity." No, just no.

It is not rocket science how to fix this.

Either lower the base damage of all the new delve weapons
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Increase REM base dmg at 99 to slightly less than these Delve weapons. They don't need to be higher as we do have aftermath etc for our hard work but the point still stands.

Why bother trying to change the enmity system if you just going to let people spam 12 k tachi shoha and resolution. It is insane! No one will be able to hold hate against that, not to mention SMN and its crappy avatars are going to be left in the dust even more with their avatars 40 base dmg 400 + delay attacks!

Anything short of an immediate update with either one of these two changes come Monday after Golden Week will lose you my subscription.

Yes yes, i built Guttler because i just HAD to have Onslaught.
Snap out of it SE, if i was just aiming for a weapon to do high damage i could perform just as well using Ruinator with any axe.

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Let's take a step back and think for a second...

If SE makes these weapons and offers them to you, only you, nobody else will have them but you, will you still complain? of course not because you want to hit hard, the harder the better. The bigger the number the more fun, right? That's the reason you make RME in the first place. Now, why is it a problem when SE offers these weapons to everyone else too?

The root problem to this is the steep requirement to aquire RME. People spend too much time, even years to work on these weapons. It is understandable for them to rage when all their efforts were in vain. I feel sorry for those who just completed their RME. However, the idea of some specials weapons stay on top year after year, expansion after expansion, from the start to then end of game's life is silly.

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I disagree there called super weapons an take silly time to make because there supposed to be the top weapons

@ Vitus

To you maybe but by your arguement, I'm going to assume you have no 99 ERM weapon (I could be wrong). I'm not pulling the elitist card, I'm just saying unless you went through the crap to getting one, I don't see how you can legitimately argue your point. That's like me saying it's stupid for parents to gawk about the typical achievements their children make...I'm single and don't understand it so I just don't say anything. Regardless, for me, the weapon is more than just the ws or the damage. I know I'm not the only one that equips their 99 ERM weapon just to stare at it lol. I usually think about the good events that lead to its creation and the sense of virtual achievement lol. There is more to all this than just epeen. Anyway, not saying your perspective is wrong, I just don't think you fully understand from other peoples' positions as to why we are taking such offense to this.

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Now, why is it a problem when SE offers these weapons to everyone else too?

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Last I checked, anyone with an account can get R/M/E weapons...

I understand the delicacy of this discussion and everyone's feelings on the matter; however, please keep in mind that Producer Matsui has indicated that all of this is no where near finalized at this point and they are still in the early discussion phase.

With that said, there have been quite a few posts that we have had to remove due to inappropriate language, so please keep this in mind when making a reply to this thread.

As always, I will be doing all that I can so that your opinions are delivered to the development team and rest assured that your voice is being heard.

I think that is entirely the point; why release these new super delve weapons when you have no idea what you want to do with the old ones!

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Originally Posted by Camate

I understand the delicacy of this discussion and everyone's feelings on the matter; however, please keep in mind that Producer Matsui has indicated that all of this is no where near finalized at this point and they are still in the early discussion phase.

With that said, there have been quite a few posts that we have had to remove due to inappropriate language, so please keep this in mind when making a reply to this thread.

As always, I will be doing all that I can so that your opinions are delivered to the development team and rest assured that your voice is being heard.

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We're all counting on you, good luck!

Also, thanks for patching things through!

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they are still in the early discussion phase

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Is this thread evidence enough that they should throw this idea out?

I agree with everyone on this, this is not the best option or even a good option to keep the RME's current. To get these weapons you generally have to have at least a small group willing to help, so this is not only wasting one individuals time, but also the time of his/her friends who are helping.
Also how will this work for Mythic weapons? you can already unlock the WS easily enough.

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Originally Posted by Camate

I understand the delicacy of this discussion and everyone's feelings on the matter; however, please keep in mind that Producer Matsui has indicated that all of this is no where near finalized at this point and they are still in the early discussion phase.

With that said, there have been quite a few posts that we have had to remove due to inappropriate language, so please keep this in mind when making a reply to this thread.

As always, I will be doing all that I can so that your opinions are delivered to the development team and rest assured that your voice is being heard.

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Thank you Camate!

One of the reasons I'm being so vocal about this issue (I can't speak for everyone of course) is because it isn't finalized. I don't want this idea to get anywhere near the finalization stage. ><;

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no where near finalized at this point

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Good to know. You guys might start getting my money again when they are.

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Thank you Camate!

One of the reasons I'm being so vocal about this issue (I can't speak for everyone of course) is because it isn't finalized. I don't want this idea to get anywhere near the finalization stage. ><;

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exactly run in the dev room now scream no an tell em to stop being stupid please

I dunno why you'd even consider the idea, let alone why you'd tell us you're considering the idea.

Making weapons that were always supposed to be top-tier useless and thus taking months to make useless in comparison to weapons that take hours (or seconds via the AH) to get is a good way to kill the game your developing. Fair enough if we're talking level 85 (unfinished) top tier weapons, but we're referring to Lv.99/Afterglow weapons here.

Camate, you're all right.

As the community rep, I hope you are able to adequately convey the sentiment of the masses. And I hope that Matsui delivers.

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i think the idea he has in mind is pretty clear. maybe you should reread the first page instead of offending everyone?

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maybe you should stop jumping to conclusions and assumptions and actually have some self respect.

Feeling sorry for the community team that has to delete all them profanity laden I am quitting posts.

I don't like Matsui's response.

The idea is bad and more importantly the way things are worded seem to show that a concrete plan is not even there. This, above everything else is not acceptable from your part. You can't just throw things at us and think about consequences later.

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Originally Posted by Camate

I understand the delicacy of this discussion and everyone's feelings on the matter; however, please keep in mind that Producer Matsui has indicated that all of this is no where near finalized at this point and they are still in the early discussion phase.

With that said, there have been quite a few posts that we have had to remove due to inappropriate language, so please keep this in mind when making a reply to this thread.

As always, I will be doing all that I can so that your opinions are delivered to the development team and rest assured that your voice is being heard.

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They should have had a plan in place before they even thought about releasing those weapons. I think we as a player base is capable of telling the difference between what is a real plan and what is a "opps we screwed up.... well we better say something" response.

If this does go down in a bad way It'll end up killing the game the same way Sony killed SWG by changing the entire class system without even mentioning to the playerbase that they were doing it.

I never saw an MMO die so fast like that one.

To a point almost overnight with the patch a lot of people became disillusioned with the game. Plenty of people were in progress on long term weapon projects in FFXI, r/m/e at various stages. Now all that motivation to play is now gone. Even for myself I was farming gil to buy marrows for Rag99 now that isn't going to happen.

After Camate's last post, I'm kinda wondering...just what are they discussing? The best, easiest course of action is to just plan to increase R/M/E damage. Are they discussing what to raise them to? Or how to do it?

SE: Let them eat cake.

One other question; if Mandau was too broken for DNC to get, why does DNC get a 108 DMG dagger? Why were we told relics would be too imbalanced for post-ToAU jobs, but they all get these new, completely broken weapons?

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One other question; if Mandau was too broken for DNC to get, why does DNC get a 108 DMG dagger? Why were we told relics would be too imbalanced for post-ToAU jobs, but they all get these new, completely broken weapons?

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It was all a part of the Tanaka, balance era. Nobody knows except for him.

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This is a joke, right? It's May 1st, not April 1st. Unless AM and ODD/ODT travels with the Weaponskill, this is offensive. More so to people who only recently finished.

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I wouldn't find it "offensive" at all. While it's far from the only thing they should do, unlocking the relic and empy WS is certainly a nice perk, such that you get SOMETHING for your effort regardless of whether or not you use the weapon 100% of the time.

Like I said, the weapons themselves should also be updated, but I don't think, independently of that fact, that doing so is a bad idea.

It doesn't matter what weapon you use... even if you're an LOLmeleeSMN and you have claustrum/nirvana/hrvelgmir - the new staves have close to 50% more base damage.

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It was all a part of the Tanaka, balance era. Nobody knows except for him.

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They've reiterated it since he left.

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To a point almost overnight with the patch a lot of people became disillusioned with the game. Plenty of people were in progress on long term weapon projects in FFXI, r/m/e at various stages. Now all that motivation to play is now gone. Even for myself I was farming gil to buy marrows for Rag99 now that isn't going to happen.

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I know what you mean. I have a couple of 90 emphs and a Rag that I'm 45/70 on bronze with and I'm like well if anything I'll finish it to say I farmed a relic. I've seen SE piss off the player base quite a few times, been playing since NA release, but I've never seen them piss off so many so fast.

Always knew id go down with the servers. Pretty shocking that it looks like it may happen right after a NEW expansion.

OH MAH GOD, WHY KIDS WHY MUST YOU ALL BE ANGRY, CALM DOWN HAVE A DRINK, SIT IN A CHAIR, GO PET SOME INVISIBLE CATS (I hate cats.)... My point is, if you're going to voice your opinion please do it in a respectful manner, I seen people telling people to calm down, and they got sandblasted with Insults, /anger messages. This is worse than havoc. If Matsui HIMSELF started posting eradically in the forums, and all of you just continued with this same /ragequit behavior nothing would get accomplished, put yourselves in their shoes; If you just made a mistake at a workplace, what would you do? lets say you told a client/customer/manger/w/e something INCREDIBLY offensive (i'm not specifying although I could, I just want people to listen to my point, and not have it removed) you'd be worried/doing whatever you could to remedy the situation, could you be fired? yes, but we've all been there, so let's try to HELP them, not HURT them, he's even inadvertently ASKING for our help by throwing his ideas out there... as I have stated before whatever happens I'm still going to play/sub, so that's getting that bag out of the way BE NICE WITH YOUR RESPONSES TO EACHOTHER AND DEVS.

Second point: Whatever they do, it is going to make almost all of you angry anyway, the great thing about this game is that devs usually don't care; I"M SOOO GLAD MATSUI ADMITS HE IS STRESSED, however, again we as a community need to learn to support the resolution that they come to, I'm positive now that he is trying to figure something out, because of the out pour of Q.Qing and his various statements that he has given, thanks to you and the community reps for remedying this situation, just please decide on something where it still is worthwhile to make a R/E/M (I don't think I'll count a C yet... seeing as how basically they're a fake empy... or a Fempy ww).

Third point:Those CRAZY damage weapons were created for a reason... now what that reason is, I am not sure anyone has tested out, perhaps it is because the last chambers have wayyyy too much hp, so for devs perhaps just give the 99s just a dps upgrade... it prolly can be a little more than the crafted weapons, but a bit less than the delve wepaons (yes we have seen what they all look like, thanks to .dat miners).


Anyway PLEASE BE MORE RESPECTFUL, I'm sure that they wont take us seriously if we continually don't take eachother.