67 Gil Chocobo Blinkers seriously?

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Originally Posted by Nibby

SE doesn't care what the players want. They'll do what they want, always have and always will.

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The same goes with players. It's not like cruor farming was helping the community or the economy, it just made it easier for people to do something repetitive that they chose to do for money instead of actually play the game.

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Originally Posted by Winrie

I have the right to call myself legit considering ive never bought gil nor swindled or dicked someone over for anything i have. But hell, lets say everyones non legit because they used a vendor item to make money, lest we forget it took work to get the damned cruor.

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Lol you call that work! Cruor should be easy to make because you can buy brews with it, not so you can create a ton of gil. You aren't increasing the amount of actual goods on the server so you shouldn't be making massive profits.

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Originally Posted by Plasticleg

I thoroughly disagree with this statement. SE set the abysmal drop rates for pulse items so that people would still be doing VW.

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Let me just point out rq, that Pulse items drop from the exact same NMs I mentioned before...

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

Some VWNMs are safe from this, Kaggen, Akvan, Pil, Ig, Rex, Morta, Bismarck, Qilin, Uptala, & Aello. They drop plates, Dross, and Cinder, which means they drop money, which will keep them going for a while because people keep making Emps, and keep wanting lv95~99 Emps. However anything that falls outside of that will be harder & harder to make groups for with each person who gets the gear because it will have no incentive for those who have it already.

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These NMs will continue. They have Pulse Cells, Plates, Cinder/Dross, overall they drop profitable items in the end. The real problems are with the NMs outside of this, they all only really offer 1 thing thats good, with 1 semi-profitable item that is unlikely to drop. Like I explained in my long post, if you get the R/EX gear from something like a T4 Jeuno NM, you will have no want to really return to it, making all shouts for that NM take alot longer, till your shouting for 5 hours for a LL party, use Clusters, or just give up entirely.

curor nerf followed the next day by NNI even more impossible and ADL more subject to luck. Ok guys at the dev. team time to annouce something to look forward. Nobody likes nerfs even if we asked for it. We know they are needed... but give us somethign to look forward.

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Originally Posted by Monchat

curor nerf followed the next day by NNI even more impossible and ADL more subject to luck. Ok guys at the dev. team time to annouce something to look forward. Nobody likes nerfs even if we asked for it. We know they are needed... but give us somethign to look forward.

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Originally Posted by Devs

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All they got I'm afraid, and it isn't looking promising seeing as they are just making current content worse it seems.

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Originally Posted by Kriegsgott

want to make money?

keep in mind there ar still Allied Notes for Voiddust :D

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This would be great if they actually do something with Campaign. As it is now, not much happening there. All they have been doing is coming up with dumb and dumber ideas every updates, refuse to hear what the player base wants, and do the absolute minimal efforts every updates. With these kind of signs, and pretty much no news on the new expansion, it's hard to care about SoA.

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Originally Posted by Luvbunny

This would be great if they actually do something with Campaign. As it is now, not much happening there. All they have been doing is coming up with dumb and dumber ideas every updates, refuse to hear what the player base wants, and do the absolute minimal efforts every updates. With these kind of signs, and pretty much no news on the new expansion, it's hard to care about SoA.

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wouldn it be very funny if none care about SoA til SE does stuff what we want and not what we maybe want?

It's always funny to see pchan and crew calling for nerfs when they abused the old abilities to the full extent.

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Originally Posted by Plasticleg

It's always funny to see pchan and crew calling for nerfs when they abused the old abilities to the full extent.

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No, they're complaining that the nerfs that came through don't have anything to do with why people leaned so heavily on Embrava/PD to begin with.

Outside of NNI, Embrava was deemed necessary only inasmuch as it ensured your target was dead before PD wore off.

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Originally Posted by scaevola

No, they're complaining that the nerfs that came through don't have anything to do with why people leaned so heavily on Embrava/PD to begin with.

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I was talking about the 2 hours nerfs, not the lulzy 10% hp down.

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Originally Posted by Kriegsgott

want to make money?

keep in mind there ar still Allied Notes for Voiddust :D

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What's the voiddust for? The event that noone wants to do and that just lost a huge portion of the reason behind even attempting it? Hate to break it to you but it's entirely possible that's not going to last very long.

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Originally Posted by Plasticleg

I was talking about the 2 hours nerfs, not the lulzy 10% hp down.

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Nobody is complaining about PD/Embrava getting nerfed absent the context of the stuff we used them for.

Well, okay, maybe some people are, but they're the minority.

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Originally Posted by Plasticleg

It's always funny to see pchan and crew calling for nerfs when they abused the old abilities to the full extent.

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So did I. I also traded cruor like crazy. And I still think both should have been nerfed. But that doesn't mean I can't complain about how SE approached the issue, because they're entirely ridiculous in their implementation and once again show that they're completely out of touch with the real world and seem to be unable of any sentient thought.

I have something to ADD RMT doing shouts for Experience Points AFK 100k 1 hour 500k 5 hours ETC ........ That should be stopped to im miffed that blinkers have been nerfed I am not a regular player and they helped me get the gil for the expensive items off AH. The harder you make the game for new people trying to catch up the more likely they are to just quit before they have put real effort into it.

So today on ODIN i thought right i got all this curor lets do VW and seen as i have only done Basty 1-4 i tried for the other nations and Surprise, all VW shouts are for Higher Teers of Areas not yet accessible because I have not done previous VW expeditions.

Whilst im for RMT's being stopped there are ways and means of doing it. Weather its not allowing blinkers to be stacked or limiting a max amount of blinkers to be on a person. Slow them down or change Level for abby to MIN lvl 76?

Brosale raised the price of gil by $3 overnight.

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Originally Posted by frydanny

I have something to ADD RMT doing shouts for Experience Points AFK 100k 1 hour 500k 5 hours ETC ........ That should be stopped to im miffed that blinkers have been nerfed I am not a regular player and they helped me get the gil for the expensive items off AH. The harder you make the game for new people trying to catch up the more likely they are to just quit before they have put real effort into it.

So today on ODIN i thought right i got all this curor lets do VW and seen as i have only done Basty 1-4 i tried for the other nations and Surprise, all VW shouts are for Higher Teers of Areas not yet accessible because I have not done previous VW expeditions.

Whilst im for RMT's being stopped there are ways and means of doing it. Weather its not allowing blinkers to be stacked or limiting a max amount of blinkers to be on a person. Slow them down or change Level for abby to MIN lvl 76?

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Are you in your own world? You can do jeuno 1-6 without jeuno abyssite. You just don't get the progress. You can also do zilart, aht urgan, and whatever the F that last one is that I forget. Just have to get tier 1 abyssite for those 3. You can do tier 6 jeuno with a tier 1 sandy abyssite ffs. The more ya know...

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Originally Posted by Fupafighter

Are you in your own world? You can do jeuno 1-6 without jeuno abyssite. You just don't get the progress. You can also do zilart, aht urgan, and whatever the F that last one is that I forget. Just have to get tier 1 abyssite for those 3. You can do tier 6 jeuno with a tier 1 sandy abyssite ffs. The more ya know...

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For win credit you need to do cities, so you can pop. Also you need temps from the cities among other things from the KIs.

Wonder where SE was for the past couple of years.

Suddenly the way things have worked (cruor being turned to gil and people actually taking SMN to events) just don't cut it anymore.

The time to nerf things is in a recent time frame after seeing how things go. Not years later to rattle up the players.

I am truly disappointed with the recent announcements. I am logged in right now sitting in Jeuno, and what is normally an exciting time of the evening to pick and choose from multiple voidwatch shouts has turned into complete silence. A LS mate tells me the only shout they saw before I got on was for a Jeuno T2 clear, but they disbanded before they even could get started because they could only get ten people to join.

It has been nearly an entire hour and the only thing anyone has shouted for is to buy some currency, from 7:30PM- 8:30PM EST :(

I'm logged in right now, and I guess folks are finding other...dodgy gil makers. I heard that casinos were big a few years ago, but I haven't been around long enough to know what it entails or if it's even legal (pretty sure it's not). But yeah.

I'm more annoyed at the fact that it was done without warning, and now it's gonna take me even longer to gear up a job that can do dynamis solo (or even duo) since mages (which I main mostly, only two melee jobs I have at 99 is DRG and that was for maat purposes--and ended up leveling up anyways because I liked it enough, and DNC) aren't exactly ideal in that situation.

I'm also glad I got my T2 Jeuno wins recently, because it took me at least 2 months to get in one in the first place, and I shudder to think, since a couple of those nm's are a pain (I'm looking right at you, Laidly Laurence), how long getting another one of those together will take. And the city wins too...the new folks who need those stuff are gonna feel it once the smoke clears.

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Originally Posted by Caketime

Brosale raised the price of gil by $3 overnight.

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I guess they have to make up the difference somehow lol. This game went from being really fun to play and enjoyable in the last two years, now heading into the downhill slope. Funny thing is, most of the new adjustments did not affect me greatly at all, but the mount of negativity is enough to turn me off from playing this game altogether.

Since they fixed dynamis, theres been hyperinflation. People 'create' new gil everytime they npc something and the rate at which gil is being created(Hakyrus, Blinkers) was vastly faster than gil being deleted(Legion). People can make millions a day on multiple accounts/characters using blinkers/fishing but the only way gil is deleted is through NPC sales which is really only limbus/legion/einherjar and is frankly almost nothing in comparison.

So three dollar markup on Gil?

I got it now.
Players find great Gil method, lots of cash rolls into players pockets, price per mil declines for rmt, SE nerfs cruor to Gil methods, Gil price increases and rmt continue what they are doing.

Taking the fight to real money trading~

So yeah. There was apparently 1 IG-Alima run, 1 Kaggen run, and 2 other VW groups that tried to form but disbanded today due to lack of interest on Quetzalcoatl. :(

Sounds like VW will be leaving us soon, and seeing as its the current most popular event outside of Abyssea, and the only event made since Abyssea you can do as much as you wish, things are going to be slowing down even more around here.

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Originally Posted by Ophannus

Since they fixed dynamis, theres been hyperinflation. People 'create' new gil everytime they npc something and the rate at which gil is being created(Hakyrus, Blinkers) was vastly faster than gil being deleted(Legion).

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Had they actually make Legion worth doing, billions of gils would be deleted. Should they make heavy metal plates drop in a lot of VW events instead of one in particular, another billions would vanish. Had Meeble Burrow designed with some IQ in mind, another billion will evaporate. The same can be said to salvage adjustment, etc... Those are just easy way to make the game more accessible without resorting to ridiculous bad news we have been getting lately.

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Originally Posted by Winrie

So three dollar markup on Gil?

I got it now. Players find great Gil method, lots of cash rolls into players pockets, price per mil declines for rmt, SE nerfs cruor to Gil methods, Gil price increases and rmt continue what they are doing. Taking the fight to real money trading~

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Seriously, you wonder if SE is actually behind these gilsellers website. Gil used to be a massive problems and created boring grindfest of farming. Since abyssea inception, I never once need to do any farm whatsoever for gil with all those items you can sell to NPC and items from gold boxes fetching decent prices on AH. Whenever you need gil, you just farm cruors and do more voidwatch to make up the difference. Life was good, they actually created the perfect 2 hours for mages with Embrava. Obviously a band of misfits monkey is ruling the office now, first order is to make sure the game is not accessible, take the fun out of playing and enforce back the crazy idiotic grindfest that is not even fun to begin with.

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Originally Posted by jerji

Removing Abyssea cruor chaining would have mostly targeted RMT and left VW unscathed.

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Removing Abyssea exp chaining, you mean. RMT are selling slots in cleave parties, and if they have their 'customers' pay for for forbidden keys to open chests it's all profit to them.
Kill the exp chain, and it all unravels. Kill the cruor chain, and all you've done is hurt real players, like those who did not yet max out every atmacite or need brews for lowman farming abyssea NM drops.

Honestly, was there anyone who did NOT see this coming? SE has done this same thing, over and over and over again.
This method was feeding gil into the economy at a obscene rate, and it had to be nerfed.

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Originally Posted by Luvbunny

I guess they have to make up the difference somehow lol. This game went from being really fun to play and enjoyable in the last two years, now heading into the downhill slope. Funny thing is, most of the new adjustments did not affect me greatly at all, but the mount of negativity is enough to turn me off from playing this game altogether.

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Lol, cuz ppl are exageratting. Just because other ppl tell you they're unhappy with blinker nerf, doesn't mean it will affect you negativity.

To clear things up, if you don't
1. have multiple account leeching in cruor pt
2. blinker bot
3. currently building an empy 99, or still need ex/rare from VW without hMP/cinder/dross drop.


Then you actually got benefit from this nerf. Cruor-->NPC was actually worse income/hr for anyone doesn't have multiple account. I've tried it, I only have 1 character, and with limited inventory space, I make less gil/hr than other ways of farming gil such as ADL/solo dyna and salvage. Same with without blinker bot. If I don't bot, the time I spent on farming and NPCing cruor I can make gil in other ways much faster. It just benefits those who bot so they can make gil while going to bed/work etc.

For anyone doesn't have more than 1 character and bot for NPC/blinkering, item price(except HMP/cinder/dross) will drop, you ended up having to pay less gil when you buy your gears.

Although VW item price may piss off players currently building an empy 99, but I also have to point out a while ago, hMP price dropped to 85k on my server, while alex still 20k+ and O.piece 8.4k+, because everyone spams VW day and night, nobody want to build empy 99, but everyone want to build relic/mythic, which made relic 99 actually cheaper than dross empy 99. And it's not really "balanced" if empy 99 price is much cheaper than relic 99 no?

The blinkers fiasco does not really affect me much, what really annoys me is the fact that you cannot sell abysea gears anymore to NPC. Gil is never a problem for me, since most of the gears are rare/ex and all the good weapons you do magian trials for those. What worries me is that with the nerf, RMT will try to find new ways to encroach new activities to milk. SE should just let you exchange rare/items with cruors or use cruors to buy dynamis currency. Or better yet, fixed campaign and WoTG Bcnms to make those drops more ancient currency, it makes perfect sense where you can get those in the past.

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Originally Posted by ManaKing

it just made it easier for people to do something repetitive that they chose to do for money instead of actually play the game.

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if you're not leeching you ARE playing the game when you farm cruor like when you farm dyna and more than when you /sh for whatever event,

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Lol you call that work! Cruor should be easy to make because you can buy brews with it, not so you can create a ton of gil. You aren't increasing the amount of actual goods on the server so you shouldn't be making massive profits.

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lol you call brewing NM work? there is no reason to make cruor easy to get .

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Originally Posted by Luvbunny

The blinkers fiasco does not really affect me much, what really annoys me is the fact that you cannot sell abysea gears anymore to NPC. Gil is never a problem for me, since most of the gears are rare/ex and all the good weapons you do magian trials for those. What worries me is that with the nerf, RMT will try to find new ways to encroach new activities to milk. SE should just let you exchange rare/items with cruors or use cruors to buy dynamis currency. Or better yet, fixed campaign and WoTG Bcnms to make those drops more ancient currency, it makes perfect sense where you can get those in the past.

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You can still npc abyssea gear, just not the lv78 cruor gear.

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Originally Posted by Luvbunny

The blinkers fiasco does not really affect me much, what really annoys me is the fact that you cannot sell abysea gears anymore to NPC. Gil is never a problem for me, since most of the gears are rare/ex and all the good weapons you do magian trials for those. What worries me is that with the nerf, RMT will try to find new ways to encroach new activities to milk. SE should just let you exchange rare/items with cruors or use cruors to buy dynamis currency. Or better yet, fixed campaign and WoTG Bcnms to make those drops more ancient currency, it makes perfect sense where you can get those in the past.

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RMT will always be there, no matter what they do. Supply and demand. Everyone been saying blinker nerf is fighting against RMT, but IMO, it's fighting against blinker bot and how billion and billion of gil were created every hour from all those mules leeching/NPCing. This is the issue needs to be addressed 1st before worrying about RMT moving camps.

And do you really think it's fair that player with 15 account and blinker bot, sit at capped gil on multiple character because they can make gil at work and sleep? It just makes the gap between rich ppl(or precisely, botter with multiple account) and average player with 1 character and actually make gil when they play, bigger.

Basically you don't bot, don't leech cruor with 15 accounts, most likely you will gain more than you lose.

As for VW being suck, this is inevitable. It's mainly because VW reward isn't attractive enough, rely on cruor gil to save it isn't smartest way IMO. If they want to fix VW incentive, they need to make reward more worthwhile.

I hope they do something soon. Either make VW more rewarding for people that don't need the gear or whatever needs to be done. Whether or not it was the right thing to do, I've noticed a bit of a decline in server population on my server and considerably less shouts for anything. There also hasn't been any XP shouts that I have seen and the usual party locations have been empty, even gusgen.

The problem is even though it did need another fix, they just broke it. Cruor>Gil was not the best way to keep VW alive, no, but it did the job, now VW is losing incentive, as it was said earlier, VW groups are already having a much harder time getting started now that the info has gone around a bit, and it only serves to get harder with time. The thing is, if creating gil is truly so destructive then why not add something we can buy with cruor that is circulated around players, such as Heavy Metal. 1 Heavy Metal for 30k cruor, tada, cruor is worth something, VW has reclaimed its incentive for people, people can make money at it well still, and all is well. This would be no different than blinkers in the end, except it creates items, not gil, and the items are disposed of via trials, so its not as if their value will sink quickly & they will become worthless.

^ Support. Good idea.

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

The problem is even though it did need another fix, they just broke it. Cruor>Gil was not the best way to keep VW alive, no, but it did the job, now VW is losing incentive, as it was said earlier, VW groups are already having a much harder time getting started now that the info has gone around a bit, and it only serves to get harder with time. The thing is, if creating gil is truly so destructive then why not add something we can buy with cruor that is circulated around players, such as Heavy Metal. 1 Heavy Metal for 30k cruor, tada, cruor is worth something, VW has reclaimed its incentive for people, people can make money at it well still, and all is well. This would be no different than blinkers in the end, except it creates items, not gil, and the items are disposed of via trials, so its not as if their value will sink quickly & they will become worthless.

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Absolutely this. When players knew that they were getting something for doing VW, there was much more willingness to accept the dev team's bafflespeak on drop rates and not allowing items to be put in a common drop pool. With the sudden worthlessness of cruor, this is no longer the case whatsoever. I saw 1 VW group actually get out of Port Jeuno last night. I saw an Akvan shout sit at 3 people for over an hour and a Kaggen shout do the same at 10 people for more than two. People aren't willing to spend time on the event for 5-20k worth of mats and a 1% chance at the item they want. People who have what they want have no reason to go back and help others. VW, which is pretty much the only new event introduced after Abyssea that had any type of popularity with the playerbase, is imploding fast. People are panicking to salvage any type of value from cruor and the AH is saturated with rubicund cells at firesale prices (40 stack and falling). If you were making money off voiddust, this mode of gilmaking is very quickly going to dry up as well.

Cruor definitely needs to have some kind of value. I read some post on another forum where a poster said it would finally make people upgrade atmacites "as intended." What's the point of doing that for what's quickly becoming dead content?

Note: I am not saying that cruor should be tied to gil. Cruor should have be much more useful than it is now, however (why do you have to use gil for displacers and not cruor?). Without the monetary incentive of cruor, many players aren't willing to do the content, leaving latecomers/unlucky people shit out of luck for clearing content and getting the rare/ex gear they want.

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

The problem is even though it did need another fix, they just broke it. Cruor>Gil was not the best way to keep VW alive, no, but it did the job, now VW is losing incentive, as it was said earlier, VW groups are already having a much harder time getting started now that the info has gone around a bit, and it only serves to get harder with time. The thing is, if creating gil is truly so destructive then why not add something we can buy with cruor that is circulated around players, such as Heavy Metal. 1 Heavy Metal for 30k cruor, tada, cruor is worth something, VW has reclaimed its incentive for people, people can make money at it well still, and all is well. This would be no different than blinkers in the end, except it creates items, not gil, and the items are disposed of via trials, so its not as if their value will sink quickly & they will become worthless.

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Cruor -> gil was a completely terrible and unsustainable way to keep voidwatch alive, even if it did the job, for a while. Given a bit more time, gil would have devalued enough for the cruor you made in VW to be worth insignificantly little as gil, and then we'd have the same problem as now, except the economy would also be even more fucked than it is now.

But of course, I agree that VW does need something to be kept alive. It should however be something of actual value, not something that served no purpose but to increase the amount of gil in circulation. Also known as good gear and HMP. Letting all VWNMs drop items that eventually can be used to create HMP might server such a purpose. While it would increase HMP supply and therefore perhaps lower the prices of it, it would also make more players feel that upgrading to version 95 is a realistic goal for them, keeping the supply up, and making it viable to do a greater variety of VW fights.

yeah so... stack of rubicund cells and void dust already just dropped by 50% on the auction house. Start stocking up on canned goods :/

The overall point I was trying to make was that cruor to gil was about all that was keeping VW alive I think, and so far it seems to be showing, only a 2 days after the change was made. Think of a week from now, or a month, VW will continue to go down, & thats bad for a few different things, cruor to gil sucked but it kept VW alive, and until something else can do the same, VW will start to sink, and as soon as it hits the bottom & SE doesn't feel like fishing it up, Plates will become rare & expensive, armors will be literally impossible to get ahold of without spending hundreds of thousands, if not millions of gil. VW is the only reason I have had a problem with this change, and imo its a big problem, because it just killed, or severely hurt one of the biggest pieces of content we had!

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Originally Posted by Vivivivi

yeah so... stack of rubicund cells and void dust already just dropped by 50% on the auction house. Start stocking up on canned goods :/

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Voiddust is still selling for 90% of what they sold for before nerf on my server. They were already down to 25k and had been at that for a long time, now they're at 23k

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

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Yes, it will hurt the event. Hopefully, SE will see this before it is too late, and revitalize it with something along the lines of what I suggested. With a high drop rate mini-plate that would be worth 10-20k gil each, people could expect to get a good chunk of money out of them, and do lower tier VWs as well. And by high drop rate I mean acutally high, not SE-high. With a thief in the alliance and a minimal amount of procs, you should be seeing a 80%+ drop rate for them.