Voidwatch Final Chapter

Rather than getting rid of crap drops, I just wish that they stacked. Most of the time I have to toss logs or ores or what have you to make room for slightly-less-crappy-items.

Edit: Read my post in a soothing, calm voice. lol It is not meant to sound angry, since I am not angry while I'm writing it, but it could easily come off that way:

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Originally Posted by Rukkirii

Some players suggested that we remove the low quality drops, or “useless” items, from the rewards at the end. We aren’t providing those lower tier rewards to cause players to be upset, and it is possible for us make it so those drops are removed and no item drops in their place instead.

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Honestly, that last line sounds like a threat. lol...

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Originally Posted by Rukkirii

However, if we were to replace certain items that are perceived as useless, with no drop players may feel that the loot system is bugged when they don’t receive any reward. As such, we would like to provide some sort of drop each time. Also, we have received many comments asking that the items dropped are improved slightly, but we have no plans to make any adjustments at the moment. We feel that we have to draw a line somewhere, or else the requests would begin to get out of hand. As such, we will maintain our current system.

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Crap drops = nothing.
No drops = nothing.
Nothing still = nothing. Do away with the logs. Saves the disappointment.

And as far as the last thing goes, why is there even a forum if our suggestions "will begin to get out of hand". Is it like the idea that if you feed a stray cat, it will keep coming back for more? So then all of our suggestions are just glossed over because the devs feel like they can't even appease a small portion of our frustrations without being forced to give us everything we ask for? That's not how it works. Make the bad things slightly better and we'll probably be happy. Albeit there will be people always asking for more, but here's the clincher: Don't give in to the ridiculous over the top requests? I don't understand why there is a forum if they have this kind of attitude.

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Originally Posted by Rukkirii

Greetings,

Mocchi was able to speak to the dev. team to clarify a few things in regards to the Voidwatch Final Chapter regarding loot and weaknesses.

Some players suggested that we remove the low quality drops, or “useless” items, from the rewards at the end. We aren’t providing those lower tier rewards to cause players to be upset, and it is possible for us make it so those drops are removed and no item drops in their place instead.

However, if we were to replace certain items that are perceived as useless, with no drop players may feel that the loot system is bugged when they don’t receive any reward. As such, we would like to provide some sort of drop each time. Also, we have received many comments asking that the items dropped are improved slightly, but we have no plans to make any adjustments at the moment. We feel that we have to draw a line somewhere, or else the requests would begin to get out of hand. As such, we will maintain our current system.

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Replace all useless drops with heavy metal plates.

I feel that they still do not get it - their roles is to create a game that appeals to their demographic player base, not the 1% minority but the 99% people who pay for the monthly subscription. None of us here is asking for insta drop on everything but some sort of ways to measure progression. Where is the ticket system? I understand they cannot just do every single request and have to draw the line somewhere, but so far they have done nothing good to improve void watch or any other content post abyssea. I know it's a bitter pill to swallow but every other content post abyssea will always be measured against it - get use to it and actually come back with a better solution if they feel that abyssea is a "failure". Giving us crap content that is 100% luck based is not the answer.

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Originally Posted by Rukkirii

[*]What about implementing weakness regardless of specific pets, avatars or automaton frames?
We didn’t touch on this last time, but in terms of this function, it will be implemented. However, we have to consider if it is acceptable to place weaknesses on support jobs when it comes to adding weaknesses to SMNs and PUPs.[/LIST]

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2nd worst idea ever. worst was to make SCH obsolete. If you plan on making Voidwatch more like abyssea where you only have 4 jobs that are needed, aka WAR WHM BLM BLU then go ahead.

Nobody does legion, not enough for anyone to even know the scrolls drop from there... That's such a poor excuse for not increasing the drop rate on provenance watcher. Yeah let me go do legion and free lot against 36 other people for the scroll. Jesus. Both of these events need some serious retooling.

So the dev post was actually a troll to the legion thread. We learned that meteor drops somewhere else.

Make Prov Watcher drop Heavy Metal Plate purses... <_<;

Yeah this is borderline absurd to be honest. They basically intend to make this so called new events favor certain jobs combination - I understand they are trying to simplify things, but then stop making it complicated to begin with and needing 18-36 people if at the end you only need a few jobs to make it work.

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Originally Posted by Rukkirii

Some players suggested that we remove the... “useless” items from the rewards at the end...

...we have received many comments asking that the items dropped are improved slightly, but we have no plans to make any adjustments at the moment. We feel that we have to draw a line somewhere, or else the requests would begin to get out of hand.

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Come on a trip with me!
1) Let me direct your attention to Folhardi Ring.
2) Now let me direct your attention to Keen Ring.
3) Now back to Folhardi Ring.
4) Now lets look at Excelsis Ring.
5) Aaand now lets return to Folhardi Ring.
6) Over to Demonry Ring!
7) Then Folhardi Ring one last time.

When it was released, Folhardi ring (a R/Ex drop off one of the four highest level Voidwatch fights) looked so bad compared to easy quest/NM/AH alternatives that I sworn it would have some kind of hidden effect. It has been a few weeks now, and there have been no reports of it being anything but terrible. I wish it was the only bad drop from those fights, but it isn't.

The worst part is that you littered legion with crap drops too, but people don't even care enough about the event to do it and get angry about them.

Maybe it was a typo and has Acc+4 :X? I can dream

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Originally Posted by Rukkirii

Some players suggested that we remove the low quality drops, or “useless” items, from the rewards at the end. We aren’t providing those lower tier rewards to cause players to be upset, and it is possible for us make it so those drops are removed and no item drops in their place instead.

However, if we were to replace certain items that are perceived as useless, with no drop players may feel that the loot system is bugged when they don’t receive any reward. As such, we would like to provide some sort of drop each time. Also, we have received many comments asking that the items dropped are improved slightly, but we have no plans to make any adjustments at the moment. We feel that we have to draw a line somewhere, or else the requests would begin to get out of hand. As such, we will maintain our current system.

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As usual the devs choose to draw their line in wrong place. They're basically saying, we'll give you crap or we'll give you nothing.

Do the devs want people doing this stuff for a long time to come or not? If so, then they need to load the event down with lots and lots of things people actually will want. You catch more flies with honey and all that. There should be stuff for everyone to chase after and enough where it can't all be obtained in a handful of trips. It doesn't have to be overpowering or game breaking stuff either, but it does have to be better than what came before. You know how far people will go for just a small stat boost.

Come on, dev people, this is game design not behavioral science. These are people you're making content for not trained rats in a box. You need to meet us half-way, because ultimately we're the ones who are really running the show. You aren't doing it without us are you? You want to give us crap or nothing? Fine, you give us crap and we'll give you nothing. How's that work for you?

If the implication is that Meteor/Arise drop from Legion, I'd advise to implement the proposed changes ASAP, because the event needs adjustments in its current state as Ein did when it was first released. My LS and I WANT to do Legion (and the prospect of Meteor/Arise dropping would be nice if true), but the difficulty skew is way too high at the moment.

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Originally Posted by Byrth

When it was released, Folhardi ring (a R/Ex drop off one of the four highest level Voidwatch fights) looked so bad compared to easy quest/NM/AH alternatives that I sworn it would have some kind of hidden effect. It has been a few weeks now, and there have been no reports of it being anything but terrible. I wish it was the only bad drop from those fights, but it isn't.

The worst part is that you littered legion with crap drops too, but people don't even care enough about the event to do it and get angry about them.

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LOL thanks for pointing this to us. Yeah they put so many crappy drops everywhere even in lower Voidwatch tiers, it's very uneven. I mean if they are going to put materials drop in Voidwatch, Walk of Echoes, Campaign, Gold sturdy pixies, etc - please make it even across the board so that everything drop in prices and make crafting so much easier!!! And make it so that people can put more items or stack a lot of those unstackable logs. Otherwise all those junks are gonna go NPCs and the crafters get zero benefits.

Sidegrade gears and accessories are fine and dandy but when a lot of em are so laughably bad (mantis eye...for one) - they really need to look at their priorities!! If they keep telling us they cannot do anything else but new contents for now, then they better make sure that those contents are GOOD, FUN, ENJOYABLE and WORTH doing. It really baffles me that they learn almost nothing from their previous blockbuster content -when they consider that it was a big failure and the take away is to never do anything so good and fun like that ever again because those content pleases people.

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Originally Posted by Byrth

Come on a trip with me!
1) Let me direct your attention to Folhardi Ring.
2) Now let me direct your attention to Keen Ring.
3) Now back to Folhardi Ring.
4) Now lets look at Excelsis Ring.
5) Aaand now lets return to Folhardi Ring.
6) Over to Demonry Ring!
7) Then Folhardi Ring one last time.

When it was released, Folhardi ring (a R/Ex drop off one of the four highest level Voidwatch fights) looked so bad compared to easy quest/NM/AH alternatives that I sworn it would have some kind of hidden effect. It has been a few weeks now, and there have been no reports of it being anything but terrible. I wish it was the only bad drop from those fights, but it isn't.

The worst part is that you littered legion with crap drops too, but people don't even care enough about the event to do it and get angry about them.

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and then I bring them Mars's ring: lol.

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Originally Posted by Rukkirii

A player asked whether or not drop rates would be affected by Treasure Hunter, which caused some strategies to be changed around when compared to previous chapters. We can say that yes, Treasure Hunter does have an effect on loot drop rates and we plan on further increasing gear drop rates on top of this as well.

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Whoa. Some aspect of something dropping somehow in some sort of Voidwatch is being increased? I feel like I may have fallen through my toilet this morning and tumbled into an alternate dimension. I always suspected it was a space-time toilet.

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Originally Posted by Rukkirii

We feel that we have to draw a line somewhere, or else the requests would begin to get out of hand. As such, we will maintain our current system.

We understand those that would like the drop rates of scrolls to be raised, but we consider gear to be the main aspect of rewards from the final chapter of Voidwatch. Since Arise and Meteor can be obtained through other content, we will maintain their current drop rates.

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The quantum space-time continuum is safe, apparently, and my bathroom likely has no preternatural qualities whatsoever beyond being haunted by my racist grandmother. Disappointing, because I was looking forward to electing a lizard-person president and growing an evil goatee and seeing drop rates in Voidwatch improve.

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Originally Posted by Rukkirii

Weaknesses Beastmaster
It seems like opinions are split on call beasts. Seems like there are bit more calls for Gerard to be used, but we would like to continue to receive feedback.

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I'd much prefer a Gerard ability over a Nazuna ability. Gerard is not level-capped and it has a magical Ready options that can not miss. I wouldn't mind the higher level jug at all, and I super-seriously doubt anyone would.

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Originally Posted by Luvbunny

Sidegrade gears and accessories are fine and dandy but when a lot of em are so laughably bad (mantis eye...for one) - they really need to look at their priorities!! If they keep telling us they cannot do anything else but new contents for now, then they better make sure that those contents are GOOD, FUN, ENJOYABLE and WORTH doing. It really baffles me that they learn almost nothing from their previous blockbuster content -when they consider that it was a big failure and the take away is to never do anything so good and fun like that ever again because those content pleases people.

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Mantis Eye is a bad example because prior to Mantis Eye the ammo slot was not a place you could stick alot of accuracy into. The forerunner to Mantis Eye was a drop off Yilbegan (Lucky Coin) which assumed you didn't get a fake that dropped logs and ingots.

Yeah.

Considering the Majority of the jobs on Mantis eye had far better Ranged Ammo.

THF had Raider's Boomerange
DNC had Charis Feather
MNK had Empyrean Ammo or any of the STR/Attack Ammos
COR - Lol.
PUP - Lol.
RNG - Lol. F**king Seriously, COR, PUP, and RNG on an Ammo Item?
BLU - IDK enough about BLU.

Basically, Mantis Eye, regardless of offering accuracy in Ammo, Was garbage tier Garbage. If a Hate offers MP+100 MND+20 to THF, Just because its the best MND hat for THF doesn't mean its a useful item. Mantis Eye falls to the same problem. Its just garbage period.

Not a single job got a use out of Mantis Eye is what I'm trying to say, 10 Accuracy was not worth sacrificing the much better benefits that slot had to offer.

Edit: Also, Lucky Coin was one of the "Fake Yilb" Drops. It could come off the Non-Shadow.

You don't get it. You're not always capping accuracy. When you actually NEED the accuracy, the ammo slot is a great place to sacrifice and toss in +10 from Mantis Eye. Just because YOU'RE not a good enough player to see the benefits of an accuracy build doesn't mean everyone is that short-sighted.

COR, PUP and RNG ... who knows, but BLU, DNC, and MNK all make use of Mantis Eye in accuracy builds.

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

Considering the Majority of the jobs on Mantis eye had far better Ranged Ammo.

THF had Raider's Boomerange
DNC had Charis Feather
MNK had Empyrean Ammo or any of the STR/Attack Ammos
COR - Lol.
PUP - Lol.
RNG - Lol. F**king Seriously, COR, PUP, and RNG on an Ammo Item?
BLU - IDK enough about BLU.

Basically, Mantis Eye, regardless of offering accuracy in Ammo, Was garbage tier Garbage. If a Hate offers MP+100 MND+20 to THF, Just because its the best MND hat for THF doesn't mean its a useful item. Mantis Eye falls to the same problem. Its just garbage period.

Not a single job got a use out of Mantis Eye is what I'm trying to say, 10 Accuracy was not worth sacrificing the much better benefits that slot had to offer.

Edit: Also, Lucky Coin was one of the "Fake Yilb" Drops. It could come off the Non-Shadow.

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Mantis Eye offers accuracy whereas those pieces of ammo do not and though situations are rare where you'll need to swap said pieces for the eye, it's still a good piece in those rare situations where you need to ACC stack.

This goes doubly so for those players who think they're capping acc on everything when they aren't.

My point wasn't to defend the Mantis Eye moreso than say that while Mantis Eye has few practical applications it is a common drop and thus appropriate to be what it is.

Items like Strategema Knife, Nikko-ichimonji, Puninshing gloves or even Dhampyr sword or the aforementioned Folhardi Ring are better examples of items that stand no chance of being used, were dead on arrival and border on outright confusing. A BLU can make use of a Mantis Eye but what the fuck is a Strategema Knife gonna do?

This only gets more confusing when you compare Kaggen (relatively joke tier mob now) to petrifact battlefields (hit or miss PUG content).

Well, that post pretty much confirms Arise/Meteor coming from Legion as well then, undoubtedly from Hall of Mul in the final wave..."Extremely difficult to obtain" indeed.

Honestly, it's not going to matter for ages where it comes from. Lot against 17 people or 35...I'd rather take my chances doing Provenance Watcher and hoping to win a lot, and that didn't sound feasible. I'd wager Legion would have a higher drop rate due to how difficult it is, but that won't really matter, no one's even gotten that far yet.

I'm all for an increased drop rate of gear and abjurations in the final VW chapter, though.

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Originally Posted by Asymptotic

You don't get it. You're not always capping accuracy. When you actually NEED the accuracy, the ammo slot is a great place to sacrifice and toss in +10 from Mantis Eye. Just because YOU'RE not a good enough player to see the benefits of an accuracy build doesn't mean everyone is that short-sighted.

COR, PUP and RNG ... who knows, but BLU, DNC, and MNK all make use of Mantis Eye in accuracy builds.

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Sushi / madrigal / wat is it ¿

The only way you don't cap on anything with the above buff is if you got like minimum hit rate possible ... I'm sure that on those voidwatch people have a COR also so yeah ..

Can get 4x songs with a single bard, wtf would you care about accuracy in a slot. I don't have room to carry bullcrap in my monk invo. I already gave up lol-chakra set, counter set and what not. When farming, it's necessary to keep several free invo slots too, like when I'm farming ADL pop set or just coins.

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Originally Posted by Asymptotic

You don't get it. You're not always capping accuracy. When you actually NEED the accuracy, the ammo slot is a great place to sacrifice and toss in +10 from Mantis Eye. Just because YOU'RE not a good enough player to see the benefits of an accuracy build doesn't mean everyone is that short-sighted.

COR, PUP and RNG ... who knows, but BLU, DNC, and MNK all make use of Mantis Eye in accuracy builds.

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Good players know when and where to sacrifice for accuracy, Not just to pick up an accuracy item and shove it in the slot because it was easy to obtain. They also consider things like Switching from YCB/RCB to Pizza as well if accuracy is heavily needed, before recompiling their TP set. So its Ironic you would stoop to saying I'm a bad player when you seem to be exerting the symptoms.

Accuracy is important, sure, this is irrefutable. But not, or rarely, to the point Mantis eye is a consideration, especially when of the jobs you listed, MNK would only benefit from +4 Accuracy over say, Empyrean Ammo, which also offers +4STR, If you need the accuracy, chances are you're in need for fSTR too, So thats going to be helping you a lot. (even though Potestosw/e Bomblet is the better option, I'm mentioning Empyrean Ammo as a second-best Accuracy alternative)

DNC 7.5acc from the same, for a sacrifice of 5DEX and 5%Crit damage. 4 Acc or 7.5 Acc isn't going to make a drastic improvement, This means you're swapping other gear for the Accuracy build. Is the extra 4-7 Acc making or breaking your set? Could it be replaced in other spots to regain a useful Ammo item? There's a lot of questions, But i know one thing ASYMP, I've yet to see a build anywhere at anytime that included a Mantis Eye.

This is because, there are plenty of accuracy options above and beyond Mantis Eye which are better suited for replacements when accuracy is needed, than immediately going for Mantis Eye, Mantis eye would be more of a last resort for those jobs, in a fight where you desperately need accuracy, Of which i still don't know of any.

Charis Feather offers 5% Crit Damage, and 5DEX, Its adding about 2.5 acc, And some DEX toward Critical hit rate. To need to replace it with Mantis Eye for 7.5 Accuracy would have to be an absolute desperate for accuracy situation. DNC Doesn't have terrible accuracy problems. They have Accuracy Bonus Job trait, as well as no short supply of accuracy heavy gear that they would wear normally.

Theres maybe 2-3 Mobs where a Heavy Accuracy build could be needed in voidwatch alone, But those are few and far between, and even then, I would consider switching to Pizza+1 first before i considered seriously revamping my Armor choices, Since most of those Enemies in Voidwatch who need Accuracy hold ridiculous amounts of Evasion. The Beetle in Ronf comes to mind. I'll admit to not having enjoyed Legion to know what Accuracy you may need there, So this could be an event where thats necessary.

There are better options, and I will stick by my statement, Mantis eye is trash. Just because something is questionably useful for a handful of fights doesn't make it a good item. I say questionably useful because I'm sure there's other slots you can squeeze accuracy into without sacrificing as much as one would for Mantis Eye. MNK and DNC Would be sacrificing the least of the jobs listed however, if that's something. BLU I contend i still just don't know what that job can wear in Ammo...

Plus, MNK Empyrean offer 6 Accuracy as well as 4 STR? 4 Acc vs 4 STR is a no brainer if you need the Accuracy, But then again i ask you, What situations are there where you're in such terrible need for Accuracy? What fights? I ask this not mockingly but seriously. Tell me the situations, Show me your Accuracy Builds you use for it. Cause I can't think of very many situation where just +4~7.5 Accuracy would be enough of an improvement to a TP phase, So you have to be making changes in other slots to accommodate the accuracy. To which point i ask if Switching to Marinara Pizza+1 would be a better option.

Then MNK has to take into consideration the fact they'll likely be in a BRD or COR party, and can get an Accuracy Buff. If the mob is o-so-evasive you're considering a Mantis Eye, Obviously other DD Could be having accuracy Issues, And should be no issue having an Accuracy song put on, or at least borrowing some Pizza from them. DNC might have a problem since it'd probably be in the proc party... Since its a worthless job.

I think I know you well enough to know where the next post is going. Probably some name calling, personal Attacks, belittling me instead of addressing the issue. Its hard to make an argument from nothing without resorting to attacking the person you're arguing with instead of addressing the issue. Will i be surprised? Stay tuned.

Edit: I knew i recognized your name from FFXIAH, Explains the lustful hate of me for no reason. But I stalked a little further. I checked your FFXIAH Item sets, None of them include Mantis eye, I went as far as to check your Equipment history on the off chance it got caught in that, Nope... Mantis eye is nowhere to be found. This means nothing of course as the Updates are random and most people don't post all their gear sets for obvious reasons. But to advocate Mantis eye with such hostility you resort to personal attacks, and yet you have no item sets based around it, strikes me as odd.

I even went so far as to read up the latest DNC gossip on FFXIAH, not a single mention of Mantis eye in any of the gear threads. Not even by you. So this has me scratching my head. If this item has apparently maintained enough use to attack someone on a personal level when they mention its uselessness, you seem to have never mentioned it at all until this point. Please enlighten me as to why you've kept this a secret until now?

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

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Ehh, for BLU and MNK the Eye isn't bad if your under acc cap. Switching to eye is more effective then using Pizza or switching around other pieces. 4STR is only 1 fSTR and 2 attack which are incredibly minor when compared to the 5% hit rate that 10 accuracy brings. Accuracy is not to be taken lightly nor assumed to always be auto-capped, abyssea has really ruined the player base's idea of accuracy, back at 75 it was the 2nd most important stat with haste being the first. Now that we're at 99 we're now fighting monsters at level 110 or more, that is a pretty hefty cut into your accuracy to begin with and it doesn't help that SE likes to play with monster stats.

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Originally Posted by saevel

Ehh, for BLU and MNK the Eye isn't bad if your under acc cap. Switching to eye is more effective then using Pizza or switching around other pieces. 4STR is only 1 fSTR and 2 attack which are incredibly minor when compared to the 5% hit rate that 10 accuracy brings. Accuracy is not to be taken lightly nor assumed to always be auto-capped, abyssea has really ruined the player base's idea of accuracy, back at 75 it was the 2nd most important stat with haste being the first. Now that we're at 99 we're now fighting monsters at level 110 or more, that is a pretty hefty cut into your accuracy to begin with and it doesn't help that SE likes to play with monster stats.

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Only point i attempt to make is that for DNC and MNK, its a difference of about 7 Accuracy, or 4 Accuracy, Neither of which will be a game changer when it comes to those types of fights, and theres plenty of other changes you can make first, with a much bigger impact. In most cases, 4~7 Accuracy won't make or break a build. Which is about 2~4% Hit rate bonus. (comparing to the next best things MNk and DNC have for Accuracy, Empyrean Ammo)

I see your point Saevel, And i understand the value of accuracy, Its just the minimal/negligible amount of accuracy a Mantis Eye offers over alternatives seems rather insignificant, and would not make a large enough impact on a Build to be considered worth carrying around the inv-1 Item for those 1-2 Fights it might be worth it, and again, Even in those fights, there's many other alternatives.

I remember 75 as if it was yesterday, I still have old pictures of my TP sets from back then... the memories, Accuracy was a huge thing. Now adays it means a little less because most events offer boosts to that (Stalwarts, Atmacite, Etc), But I'm well aware of its importance still today!

I'm not doubting accuracy as a valuable stat, Simply Mantis Eye is so limited in its uses, and even its "uses" are questionable because of the dozens of other options you have when considering an Accuracy heavy build, that the item itself becomes situational to such a strong extent its a just garbage. Its 'maybe' useful for 2/3 of the jobs on less than a handful of enemies, and this is assuming you have no way buffs available, Like BRD or COR, or are stuck in a Proc party (Voidwatch).

There just aren't as many enemies today that require accuracy heaviness. Its not to say the stat is meaningless, far far from it, its just the situation where the stat is deemed "heavily needed" enough to rebuild a gear-set around it are far and very few between. Hell back at 75 Accuracy was under heavy consideration for Merit Parties, I remember Colibri TP Sets... Back in those days, Something Like Mantis Eye could be quite useful, since most of the game revolved around maximizing accuracy, as it was a difficult task back then. Today, not so much. Skills are much higher, and As I reiterate, there are fights where accuracy is an issue, but its few and far between, and you always have stuff Like Stalwarts, and BRD songs to help.

I think the only fight i can think of off the top of my head i had accuracy problems with, on THF, was the Beetle in Ronfaure, that guy is just annoying beyond words... Sorry to keep creating wall of posts, My thought process forces me too, and i repeat myself a lot because i know attention spans are short.

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Originally Posted by saevel

4STR is only 1 fSTR and 2 attack which are incredibly minor when compared to the 5% hit rate that 10 accuracy brings..

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Oh noes and madrigals/sushi will give you +50% hit rate. All of a sudden your craptastic ammo slot look dumb. It's pretty much only usuful when at 90% hit rate while other gears have capped acc onthem. And you don't compare it 4str/2 att, you compare it to +15 attack from potestas bomblet, which is between 4% and 5% damage boost too.

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Originally Posted by Rukkirii

Weaknesses[LIST][*]Beastmaster
It seems like opinions are split on call beasts. Seems like there are bit more calls for Gerard to be used, but we would like to continue to receive feedback.[*]Puppetmaster
For PUP’s weakness, we’re considering using “Strobe” as their trigger.

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I think this idea is cool for PUP; however for BST, can the Devs consider a pet that can be purchased from an NPC (if the pet is Gerard, then add Gerard to an NPC for a set amount of gil, or maybe even cruor...). Not all BST will have crafting skill enough to "make" the appropriate jug pet for the event and regardless of the pet decided upon; at least make it accessible. Luckily the Auction House has a regular influx of pet jugs at end game level, however that will not always be the case.

Just sayin.'

Gerard seems to be one of the pets thats always on the AH, and if he becomes the single proc pet, I'm positive his stock will be kept up. Prices may jump a little, But he will be in stock.

I don't mind the idea of adding the Jug Pet thats procer to the NPC though... But i think Gerard really is the best bet. Cheap to make/buy, Can't-miss BPs, and I'm pretty sure he has some resistances to magic built in?

Karb,

Please understand, 10 acc in an accessory slot used to cost millions of gil. T.Ring and PCC both were ridiculously expensive precisely for the fact that their slots didn't contain haste and thus acc becomes the best option (for when your not capped).

I do lots of parsing to see what level of evasion / defense the target monster has, and I can tell you that most people are not capping accuracy anymore, even with stalwarts / bravers. 2H's is not so much an issue as they have tons of accuracy options that don't require them to trade off haste. DW's are a bit more limited which is what the Mantis Eye is created for. It's a PCC for your ammo slot. The two most important components to your damage is how fast you hit (capped haste / DW) and how often you hit (accuracy). Cap both of those and then worry about everything else.

the reason 10 Accuracy in an Accessory slot used to cost so much because back in those days, Accuracy was a pain to cap, And a lot of good Melee Haste Gear did not offer a lot of Accuracy. Today, Its hard to find haste gear without accuracy. Take Raider's Bonnet+2 vs W.Turban. +12 Accuracy. Raider's Body? +10DEX(5acc) +5 Dagger skill (~4 Acc) as well as 5% Haste.

Accuracy is already piled on so much natural Melee gear, the need to sacrifice slots for Accuracy is relatively low. Its not that the stat is not important, its that the gear we wear normally generally has more accuracy than we know what to do with.

Back in the day, Dusk Gloves, Haste, No accuracy
Today - brego Gloves - Accuracy+5

Back in the day, W.Turban, Haste, No Acc
Today - Pretty much every haste head ever - Acc or DEX in large amounts.

Back in the day, Accuracy was hard to fill in slots that didn't sacrifice haste, SO accessories were the big spot, Today, Haste/Acc are Love partners, So the value of needing to sacrifice accessories for Acc is diminished. And with the support most fights offer in Stalwarts, Bravers, Atmacites... Accuracy heavily needed is further diminished.

I hope I'm making myself clear here. I'm cutting a lot of my train of thought out to make this short.

How about people stop arguing over ammo slot gear for pages on end and focus on the fact that the devs are out of touch when it comes to why people are pissed about VW.

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

Edit: I knew i recognized your name from FFXIAH, Explains the lustful hate of me for no reason. But I stalked a little further. I checked your FFXIAH Item sets, None of them include Mantis eye, I went as far as to check your Equipment history on the off chance it got caught in that, Nope... Mantis eye is nowhere to be found. This means nothing of course as the Updates are random and most people don't post all their gear sets for obvious reasons. But to advocate Mantis eye with such hostility you resort to personal attacks, and yet you have no item sets based around it, strikes me as odd.

I even went so far as to read up the latest DNC gossip on FFXIAH, not a single mention of Mantis eye in any of the gear threads. Not even by you. So this has me scratching my head. If this item has apparently maintained enough use to attack someone on a personal level when they mention its uselessness, you seem to have never mentioned it at all until this point. Please enlighten me as to why you've kept this a secret until now?

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1.) I don't know who you are so I have no lustful hatred for you, that's you being paranoid.
2.) http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/27...ew-age#1671944
3.) http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/242182

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

Sushi / madrigal / wat is it ¿

The only way you don't cap on anything with the above buff is if you got like minimum hit rate possible ... I'm sure that on those voidwatch people have a COR also so yeah ..

Can get 4x songs with a single bard, wtf would you care about accuracy in a slot. I don't have room to carry bullcrap in my monk invo. I already gave up lol-chakra set, counter set and what not. When farming, it's necessary to keep several free invo slots too, like when I'm farming ADL pop set or just coins.

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I'd rather cap accuracy and gear and eat RCB, thanks. Also, I don't see a Daurdabla BRD very often, so I'd rather cap accuracy before songs and then take 2x marches.

Also, I never argued that it was an amazing gear item, but for being the common drop, it gets more use than some other common VW drops (Sceamol band, for instance).

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Originally Posted by Asymptotic

I'd rather cap accuracy and gear and eat RCB, thanks. Also, I don't see a Daurdabla BRD very often, so I'd rather cap accuracy before songs and then take 2x marches.

Also, I never argued that it was an amazing gear item, but for being the common drop, it gets more use than some other common VW drops (Sceamol band, for instance).

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Finally someone who gets it.

I guess going from 0 Uses to 1 Use is an improvement. But I still maintain that does not make it a useful item. Its like saying one pile of dog sh*t smells a little less than the other pile. They're both still Dog Sh*t. Maybe i was a little unclear, I don't think i was, But I'm sorry if it was lost in my rambles... I was never trying to arguing Mantis eye had no uses at all, Its just its uses were incredibly situation that it would be the FFXI equivalent to the stars aligning that its use would become present. So in that vain, I felt the item was worthless due to its incredibly limited situational manner. Such as armor like Assault: only or Besieged:Only was deemed.

So I guess I should leave no room for misinterpretation here. I acknowledge its one use thus confirmed. an Aggressor Down Set for DNC for Mobs with High Evasion. But that does not make it a successful item. It makes it less crap than the other crap by a small margin.

ugh reminding me of that Sceamol band...

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Originally Posted by Asymptotic

1.) I don't know who you are so I have no lustful hatred for you, that's you being paranoid.
2.) http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/27...ew-age#1671944
3.) http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/242182

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Fair enough, But i still think you're hiding something from me one 1... Also, any word on MNK? I dug through those topics too and couldn't find mention of it. You seem to search better.

For the record, Pizza+1 is not a huge sacrifice to maintain capped haste, Good chunk of Attack, and Higher Accuracy Values, without having to rearrange gear. I still maintain using that first might be a better option. Red Curry Buns however, Hard to replace for sure.

Edit; Of note, the set i a little outdated, Belenos mantle is no longer the best option, This:
http://www.ffxiah.com/item/10999/dauntless-mantle
Would be a good update if you can pass that on to him.

That's me, and yeah, I haven't updated those sets for a while.

MNK accuracy build: http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/254911
BLU TP set: http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/55243

In addition, Mantis Eye is prety much a staple in Heavy Strike sets (spell with large ACC penalty). Not bad for the Kaggen analogue of Andvaranauts.

That said, I had to trash 3 mekira mekiogais before Kaggen put out a mantis eye for me. LOL Voidwatch?

Where are these so called ticket system? Are we gonna get it 6-10 months later when barely anyone bother doing Voidwatch anymore? This seems to be the trend in the past 10 years. Create new contents with low drop rates + 24-72 hours limitation + impossible difficulties + 18-32 players required + crap items reward + no measured progression, then proceed with ignore player feedbacks, do minimal adjustments, continue ignore player feedbacks and hope that said event will eventually die down due to unpopularity (pankrator, colosseum, chocobo racing, moblin maze, the list go on and on). Hellooooo you have forum to solicit feedbacks, and you have international player base, not just japanese players, please FOCUS on adjusting and improving contents, be it new or old, and do not ignore our feedbacks and hope we will just get tire of it and abandon that said content. As developer/content created its is your goal to create something that will be embraced by your player base, something that can be enjoyed and accessible by all.

Stop holding out for the ticket system, the way they have described it to be implemented is a waste of everyone's time, including theirs.

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MNK accuracy build: http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/254911
BLU TP set: http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/55243

In addition, Mantis Eye is prety much a staple in Heavy Strike sets (spell with large ACC penalty). Not bad for the Kaggen analogue of Andvaranauts.

That said, I had to trash 3 mekira mekiogais before Kaggen put out a mantis eye for me. LOL Voidwatch?

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Advaranauts, Oh those things.

wait wait. 3 Mekira's..... wait.............................................. I think I'm going to hire thugs to beat you up now D: I've tossed enough Mantis Eyes to stock a jewel shops inventory for 3 years.