Although I agree with Sayomi.. You don't even have a relic/mythic... You're just jumping on the anti-SE bandwagon cause they nerfed your emp after you bought all those heavy metal plates Which you said you were going to use for your ukon. You ain't foolin' NOBODY gworl.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tamoa
Ever since they did that, you have been spamming the board with bandwagon posts.
exposed: http://www.ffxiah.com/player/Asura/Tamoa
Wheres the evidence Abyssea revived FFXI?
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12-28-2011, 03:26 AMBenihana
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12-28-2011, 03:31 AMCatsbyYup,Quote:
Originally Posted by Sayomi
This is why I feel Abyssea was huge step in the right direction. There were tons of rewards for everyone along the way to an empyrean and the empyrean itself wasn't unreasonably difficult to get. The problems that I saw were people taking advantage of over powered atmas and low manning everything without waiting for their LS.
If the voidwatch system came sooner and the concept of personal loot pools for everyone was plugged into abyssea then it may have been perfect. -
12-28-2011, 03:33 AMCatsbyNo idea what you're talking about but I think you need some perspective. Are heavy metal plate trials honestly reasonable? Honestly?Quote:
Originally Posted by Benihana
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12-28-2011, 03:41 AMBenihanaOMG are we gonna goto HMP now? Again, DONTCURR. My emp is lv.90 and it's staying lv90. I'm happy with that and I don't have the time or care enough to get a 95 emp. I love my emp and even tho i agree with u and sayomi, i still don't care enough to quit the game or my main job cause I dont have the time to get an upgrade.Quote:
Originally Posted by Catsby
Do you have a reason to be upset? Yes. I already said I hope people get the trials changed, and good luck. My only argument was that it's simply bs to state abyssea revived XI. It's just as much bs as Abyssea killed XI. The game has been steadily declining and abyssea only cause both, a sever decline and a big increase in subscriptions. People saying if the game had stayed where it was, it would be dead, are delusional.
For people saying their and their friends experiences are "proof" abyssea revived xi, or that my "likes" are evidence or the amount of replies, in a thread, on this forum are indication of anything: again delusional. I covered this in the OP post, theres also evidence, actual numbers to suggest the complete opposite. I know i cant be the only one who keeps an eye on the active player list on xiah. And SE made damn sure to keep that info out of the census, which was taken during abysseas reign. durr durr.
It wouldn't have been any worse or better than all the people who quit/came back because/for abyssea. Only reason you don't hear from them is that they don't waste their time on things they don't enjoy and have moved on. That was my only argument.
You guys are clinging to a game you sound like you hate. Getting mad at every little fix or adjustment.Some aren't even in game... I can't take some of you seriously and neither can SE. -
12-28-2011, 03:53 AMCatsbyThen I ask you, Why do you need to turn in a billion items to get a marginal upgrade on something you already put in a ton of time for?Quote:
Originally Posted by Benihana
If your answer is something like "because it's the best of the best" then that's what I'm trying to say is a loss of perspective. You already put in the time. I already put in the time. Many of us (myself included) assumed that once we got through that point future upgrades would be trials that multiple people could complete together. Instead we have this cut throat take everyone's things bullshit from 6 years ago. Then one or two mouthy people come here and say that's the way it should be since it's more "hardcore". Fuck that.
I'm willing to bet it has more to do with FFXI having a skeleton dev crew, a huge natural disaster, SE's pride, and last gen development methodologies than abyssea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Benihana
Because they quit when they realized the game was a rat race instead of a game. It became more of a game during Abyssea and now it's devolving back into a rat race. That's why people are pissed and leaving. That's why I might quit too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Benihana
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12-28-2011, 03:57 AMBenihana
A lot of the members on this forum have this "because I don't like it, no one does or because I care, everyone does, because i'm mad, everyone is upset" mentality.
Fact check, 2k people online when i was last on yesterday in NA time... How many of them do you think care or are quitting because of a nonexistant (atm) trial or a nerf to some emps to overpowered jobs?
Again: "NO1 CURR GWORL"
This game is not going to die because and if SE decides to go back to ALA 2005 ffxi. Sure, we might get another server merge and people will quit, but people have ALWAYS been quitting and abyssea didnt change or put a bandaid on that. People will do the same thing we've always done with a freakin VIDEO GAME: enjoy the content We enjoy doing. The rest of you can .. well.. idk... BYE!
You can be sure people will come back to ffxi too. FFXI is an mmo that's being revamped. Possible new expansions, new endgame events, new notorious monsters, new areas to explore. Ain't nobody worried about that ukon war or that yagrush whm who spends all her time taking zeni pics. Especially since se already said new znm are on the way.. WHICH might drop more of the items needed. . . . . . .
The 500/1k item trial is only unreasonable to me if it only drops from PW and Arch DL. And since the trial is neither finalized NOR implemented in game.. Its just as possible the drops could be added to other monsters, as it is that they would require us to gather 500/1k of them. -
12-28-2011, 04:17 AMTamoaOh noes, you exposed me. As if I was ever trying to hide?Quote:
Originally Posted by Benihana
Of course I'm upset that SE has decided to nerf Ukko's Fury. I would have been upset even if I hadn't decided to upgrade my Ukonvasara to 95, the fact that I have been buying heavy metal plates has very little - if anything at all - to do with it. I don't give 2 farts about gil, it's make believe money, it's not real, I couldn't care less if I waste Vana'diel currency at all. In that case I would have been raging and screaming blue murder that salvage gear was made obsolete (hi2u 16ish mil for Ares's Cuirass), or that Dusk Gloves +1 has been replaced (hi2u paying 28mil for a pair). Guess what? I'm still going to finish my Ukon too.
When relic trials were introduced, I thought they were inhuman. Then SE went and adjusted them, and I really felt bad for all the relic owners that had already spent hours and hours finishing their trials. I've always felt bad for anyone seriously attempting a mythic, and admiration for anyone who's finished one. I will most certainly feel bad for both relic and mythic owners if the final trials for both turns out to be drops from Arch DL and PW.
I don't have a mythic, no - because I always thought the requirements to obtain one were ridiculous, and none of the mythic weapons were even remotely interesting to me. I don't have a relic, no - I did start on Bravura a couple of years ago but eventually decided against it, I wasn't interested in spending that amount of time and gil to obtain that or any other relic for that matter.
Oh and PLEASE show me where and how I have been "spamming the board with bandwagon posts" regarding the war nerf. Unless you count making ONE SINGLE POST about it as spamming? One. Single. Post. Feel free to check my profile/posts for yourself. -
12-28-2011, 04:21 AMBenihanaYeah and this trial is make believe too. But I guess that went right over your head.. Even after they said it's not official.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tamoa
You care more about something that's not in game yet and has no effect on you than your own gil? Hmmm.. idk gurl.. That sounds kinda strange.
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12-28-2011, 04:40 AMTamoaSpending countless of hours to finish a trial isn't make believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Benihana
I care because I have a lot of friends with relics (and some with mythics). I kinda want them to keep playing, you know? And I would like to see them finish their relics and mythics too, you know? Does that make some kind of sense to you at all?Quote:
Originally Posted by Benihana
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12-28-2011, 04:43 AMzagam
OP you have some points I agree with but you talk just like the people your complaining about. I agree, players like runespider really should quit, or at least quit posting with a tinfoil hat. No company would ever listen to comments when there presented like the majority of the threads started here.
Unfortunately your question could never be answered even with official stats. Abyssea exemplified the whm sock account which by all stat purposes is either an account that was deleted and restarted or a new one created all together which only favors abyssea creating more then loosing.
But just from personal experiences abyssea has in fact been the era of people quitting. It seems that the word balance is being the new bandwagon meme for hating on FFXI but really that's what this game needs. The old school game was on an extreme end and abyssea was on another. I never touched HNM for all the reasons people posted but I still found myself always busy with the other things the game offered. When abyssea came and crapped on the time sinks that kept people going for so long, a lot of friends just got bored. When VW is fully complete and the rest of the new endgame is out I hope they take both aspects of old school and new school. I don't want to log in and finnish everything I need in a few months but I dont want to take 4 years either. H2U valor surcoat. -
12-28-2011, 04:48 AMGreatguardian
This thread makes so much more sense now that it's clear who the OP is.
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12-28-2011, 04:52 AMZumi
Abyssea was good for the following reasons. It had gear in it better then what we hard in ages. No more sidegrade crap but actual upgrades. It had weapons that were very powerful didn't take a lot of time gave people something to work for. Everything took a smaller amount of people to accomplish and stuff could be soloed or duoed easily. Decent drop rates made players happy they were getting their empyrean armor.
Basically gave people a lot of stuff to do when before there was really not much at all.
Old endgame was pretty dumb camp Fafnir for 3 hours a day, Tiamat for 72 hours ect, do salvage for 1% droprates the list goes on. -
12-28-2011, 04:57 AMBenihanahttp://pics.livejournal.com/zanzou_chan/pic/000yec9tQuote:
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Some people are just so mad.
Oh well. In other news, the care cup has emptied.
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12-28-2011, 05:02 AMcidbahamutWell at least there was one positive thing to come out of this thread.Quote:
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12-28-2011, 06:13 AMArconI have a list of individuals who would disagree (especially about the "most popular" part). Those two were the "most popular" endgame only before everything else was introduced.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sparthos
Reluctance is a strong word, since they did duplicate almost all of them. Admittedly, it took longer for Einherjar, but it happened. In this thread alone I said three times that the only notable HNM drops were Defending Ring, Ridill and Hauteclaire. Arguing about anything else is pointless. Fact is, HNM was 99% about the money drops (including Hauteclaire and Ridill for most LS) and 1% about trying to get a Defending Ring (possibly less).Quote:
Originally Posted by Sparthos
(Because I brought it up the last five times when we talked about this?)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sparthos
It seems you're only talking about one group of players when you say these things: your own HNM crowd. It wasn't a replacement (also, I never said that), it wasn't a supplement either, though. It was an alternate route for people not participating in the HNM scene. Simple as that. It was designed to not be as efficient as HNMs. SE always wanted the people that were going all out to have the best (something that Abyssea washed away, some people will argue that it was for the best, getting rid of all the elitism and whatnot). They wanted people camping HNM whenever they could to have the best shot at abjuration gear and black belt items. The reason they made those items drop off Einherjar and KS99 was just to give people who didn't want to buy them, or go through a similar fighting experience to be able to do that without the competition. And people did that. Sure, it took them longer, but with two Odins a month (nice made up number, btw) they were still able to get decent drops. Compare that with the (I'm always pretty optimistic, I'm sure you can tell) 10 Nidhoggs that popped a month, of which I'm guessing you claimed 4 (very optimistic), and the drop rates don't sound too far apart.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sparthos
I didn't even wanna argue with you about the fact that it took longer, but these numbers just make me twitch. Try 20man content and 8 abjurations a month. That means every three months, everyone gets one body abjuration on average (accounting for the fact that sometimes T3 was a bitch). Meaning in one year (accounting for even more fails), everyone would have gotten three abjurations on average. Sure, it may not have always been the one you wanted, but even if one of them was a Dalmatica or Adaman Hauberk, you got a drop that HNMLS have been selling for prices in the double-digit millions. And considering that many linkshells were able to do that, I'd say it's a significant step up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sparthos
Of course, now you will come and argue that wasting one year to get one item you're after is insane, forgetting about the fact that the average content-delivery time is about every two years (time between major expansions/updates) and about the fact that it was only ~2h out of every week to do it, and not stopping you from still doing everything else, meaning everyone was able to keep up with everything that was released. SE simply weren't shooting for what MMOG players are used to these days, rapid, temporary content. They didn't wanna release FFXI as a game, but as a project, something that people would literally play for years, something they succeeded at, but something that doesn't fly well with people now that they've shown them Abyssea.
I'll tell you what SE's only mistake with Sandworm (same as every other world spawn) was: they underestimated the hardcore players. Why did SE create world spawns in the first place? Why did kings exist, when they're so prone to abuse by the community? Simple: SE didn't know that. Their intention was one that I extremely looked forward to when I decided to try and play FFXI and first heard about these monsters lurking in remote places: that only the most experienced and skilled adventurers would dare to go there, find the beasts and take on challenging battles. That backfired, badly. They didn't expect the players to be so zealous over them that they would destroy their own lives just to get a claim. What was intended as an unique adventuring experience turned into a business.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sparthos
And SE did realize that, despite what you're trying to sell people on. They did try to battle it. Sandworm was one of the results, but I'll get to that in a bit. Their first measure was something else: the introduction of the random claim delay. It was extremely successful in preventing botters at first. However, cleverly set up bots would still have an advantage over other bots (and players), especially with several mules. So they had to think of something else. And I repeat, this is not an easy task. Short of removing said content (which they did now, when it could have actually been how they envisioned it), so someone thought of another idea, namely Sandworm and Dark Ixion. Mobs that don't always spawn in the same zone, let alone the same place. And it helped with that, too, although again, they underestimated how crazy hardcore players really are. They didn't know people would actually stand ready for hours just waiting for one mob to pop. But people did. However, since SE made it harder for botters (a success in that regard, btw), it's even easier to complain about these mobs than other mobs.
The long spawn window? A measure to prevent people from trying to camp it all the time. Surely enough, this backfired as well. You call it a violation of their "word to the players", and again, the same point over and over again, they simply didn't know people would be this crazy about game content. Irresponsible? Maybe. In that regard, making a MMOG is irresponsible in itself, because it is an addiction, after all. People will always get worked up about it. The spawn windows were an attempt to precisely counter that. Because, why would you stay up till 4AM to wait for SW to pop? You should be in bed by then, it simply moved out of your play window. But that's not what hardcore players will think. They'll think "Fuck SE, now I have to stay up longer because of this crap!", which is pretty much just rephrasing what you just said.
The only mistake SE ever made with the design of HNMs was underestimating the playerbase and their willingness to sacrifice their own life for it. There's two ways to look at it. You're saying they're responsible for making this system the way it is. Others would say the people who participate in that are to blame, because they inflict it upon themselves.
I'm not even gonna bother to defend either of those points, because that's not even the original question. This little detour was inspired by your avoidance of answering to what I tried to say, namely that you can't tell people what was fun and what wasn't. That is outside of the realm of what the development team made right or wrong, it's about the aforementioned moral superiority you assume over other players. And it's not always black or white either. I personally hated Sandworm and Dark Ixion, I liked the idea of kings, but I didn't like competing against bots. I loved camping King Arthro and Simurgh for example. 21~24h repop, plenty of competition usually (at least for KA), but hardly anyone bothered with bots for them (I'm talking last few years). It was just normal competition. It had its ups and downs, it had its rules, it had people who broke them, but it also had its fair share of nice and memorable moments and was generally a good time. I even helped other people camp these NMs after I got what I wanted, just because I liked it. It was casual camping, camped it whenever the window was in our timezone, didn't stay up till 4AM for it, didn't cheat or bot or insult one another. Now, what sets these apart from kings? Just the kind of competition you had, nothing else. And for that I love one, but didn't care much for the other. So it's obviously not SE's fault, because they gave me something I enjoyed. It was the players who made it into something that I didn't. -
12-28-2011, 06:22 AMNynjaWhat fucktarded logic would concieve the following:Quote:
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If players will camp hours on end for rare gear, we should make mobs take even LONGER to spawn, meaning the gear will be even rarer, therefor people will be less likely to spend time camping it. -
12-28-2011, 06:25 AMSeiowan
Well, I'm back BECAUSE of Abyssea. I'd say that's at least partial evidence that Abyssea brought back some players to the fold :p
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12-28-2011, 06:46 AMArcon"Maybe if we made it absurdly long, and there's no efficient way to find it quickly, they'll realize it's pointless to do this kind of camping?"Quote:
Originally Posted by Nynja
I don't know. I don't agree with it. As I said, I hate Sandworm and Dark Ixion. I just find this explanation more likely than all of SE going "Hah, this will troll people even harder!". Either way, fact is when the circumstances got more extreme, the campers got more extreme. -
12-28-2011, 06:57 AMFrankReynolds
This thread is retarded. A lot of people quit because of abyssea. A lot of people quit for various reasons that were not related to abyssea, like new games and the whole billing issue. Hell, half my Sea/dynamis shell quit to play FFXIV (and then just quit period). There were also a lot of people who started because of it, came back, and / or started second/third accounts. I highly doubt that even SE knows why people quit or join / restart. It's not like they give you a questionaire about it, or at least they never gave me one.
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12-28-2011, 07:33 AMKirohThis is pretty much it. Neither side can say how many people quit or returned because of Abyssea itself, as people join and quit all the time for all kinds of reasons. Unless SE starts putting out questionnaires when you cancel your content ID, we'll never know and even then it's unlikely SE would ever release that information if they had it (which they don't).Quote:
Originally Posted by FrankReynolds
In other words this whole thread is "My opinion is more valid than your opinion so STFU YOU NOOB!", confirming my suspicion that this is indeed similar (if not identical) to a religious 'debate'.
It's sad that threads like this get hundreds of responses, it really is...
(And with that, my contribution to this troll fest has ended.) -
12-28-2011, 08:09 AMNeisan_Quetz
As proven by the census, SE can collect data on Notorious monsters, so I won't believe for a second they 'didn't know' Kings/Sandworm/DI were going to get abused, and could easily tell how much they were being camped. If they seriously did not know, they are some of the most ignorant people I have ever heard of.
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12-28-2011, 08:13 AMNeisan_QuetzYou're on the same server as Jaderattlesnake, thinking people weren't getting max level pre abyssea and still not having a goddamn clue about how to play the game or their jobs is just plain ignorant.Quote:
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12-28-2011, 08:15 AMLuvbunnySo is there where Jaderattlesnake is going now? At your server in Quetzalcoatl? I feel sorry for you :PQuote:
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12-28-2011, 08:24 AMSparthosBecause laziness wasn't rampant pre-Abyssea, because people weren't paying to be SMNburned, because EXPing to 75 made you a pro, because people weren't leeching in Chigoeburns, because people couldn't just solo EP to 75.Quote:
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12-28-2011, 08:49 AMRiseofgaryI from Midgardsormr my sever merge with Quetzaloatl so I dont know who is Jaderattlesnake and dont careQuote:
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12-28-2011, 08:58 AMRiseofgaryI was soloing on my blu ,rdm and most of my other jobs pre Abyssea and there is always going to be lazy ppls ingame. So stop living in the past this isnt about SNM Burned leeching in Chigoeburns. It about lazy ppls that love to defend AbysseaQuote:
Originally Posted by Sparthos
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12-28-2011, 09:07 AMNeisan_QuetzThen I really don't know how you're trying to complain about others not knowing what they're doing while sporting an Uther's grip on drg.Quote:
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12-28-2011, 09:10 AMFrankReynoldsQuote:
Originally Posted by Riseofgary
I think you might be one of the people who he was referring to when he sarcastically said:Quote:
Originally Posted by Riseofgary
Soloing doesn't make you good at anything but soloing. If even that. Leveling slowly doesn't make you good at anything but leveling more. If that.Quote:
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12-28-2011, 09:22 AMNeisan_Quetz
You tried to complain that abyssea made people skill less and not know how to play the game, while using inferior gear with easy to acquire better gear available; in fact, it's HARDER to get uther's grip than better options which shows you are intentionally gimp, and don't even know how to play yourself. Yea, just get out.
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12-28-2011, 09:40 AMFrankReynoldsThen you are in fact the terribad player that you were complaining about. Congratulations on your self loathing. Now you can argue with yourself.Quote:
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12-28-2011, 09:55 AMFrancisco
Abyssea, for me, revived FFXI.
If you flash back to April of 2009, when I effectively stopped playing, here's the status of my character.
- All missions complete.
- All merits maxed out on my job.
- All equipment, aside from relic/mythic maxed out (aside from, perhaps something like Cuchulain's or HQ VIT Earrings for Chakra).
- All HNM, aside from PW (which we killed in July 09... was the only thing I logged on for after April), and AV killed several times over.
- Crafting near maxed (98) with no desire to finish it, and an over-flooded, poor-profit economy.
- LS Events reduced to HNM Fomor that drop dick, and boring VNM fights. Events like Salvage and Einherjar had mostly run their course by this point.
So I mostly stopped logging on, except for PW attempts. Once we killed it, half of the LS just didn't come back. After killing it on July 27, 2009, I logged on once in September and once in December. There was simply nothing left to do. After December, my CC lapsed, and I didn't bother to reactivate.
Abyssea, in part with the cap increase, changed that. After years of stagnant content, minor additions and sidegrades, things finally got shaken up.
If you take away Abyssea, and replace it with Voidwatch, but still do the cap increases... I probably still come back. But I probably also get bored with grinding out the levels in GoV dungeons, and would have eventually quit months ago.
Unfortunately, the game is getting to 2009 status again, for several reasons.
- WAR and MNK nerfs should not only anger WAR and MNKs, but concern other jobs as well. By nerfing these jobs, SE is demonstrating they have more interest in weakening the stronger jobs, than strengthening the weaker jobs. We're basically back to where we are at 75... and once "balance" is found, there's reason to believe we're going to be "stuck" at that balance, and see minimal character growth in the future.
- Insane timesinks are going to alienate 99% of the players. At this point in the game's life, most of the content has been done over by everyone uncountable times. If the content is there, and worth doing, I'll stick around and do it... I'm not going to re-up my subscription for another several years so I can obtain 1000 Squeaking Apkallu Gizzards or some nonsense...
- Voidwatch, while good and challenging content, is overall lackluster. It should not be the center piece to version updates.
- After the "rush" of Abyssea, and just through natural time progression, the game's population is decreasing.
- Decreasing game population makes it harder for players to participate in large scale content. Right now, there are two people on my LS. Me and another guy. We're both leveling BST. This is the same LS that once killed PW. As recent as the beginning of December, we regularly had ~6-12 on at any given time. SWTOR coming out, recent news from the Dev. Team, etc... has just made everyone else in the LS lose interest. This stuff snowballs. If my LS completely dies out, I lose incentive to play as well. I guess I'm an example of the direction the game has taken... My server has seemingly no interest in doing Voidwatch, and my linkshell is not really interested in FFXI anymore. I'd like to do Voidwatch, but I'm basically excluded from it.
So yeah, that went off on a tangent, but Abyssea did revive this game from it's 2009 state, like it or not. Some may have quit over it, but it encouraged large groups to form (for XP), gave players equipment to "wow" over, without the difficulty turning them off of it, and just gave the game something new and fresh to do.
And that's what FFXI needs right now... something new and fresh... something big. Something that can preferably be managed with a handful of friends - because really, that's all that's left for a lot of the players. Nyzul/Salvage will be nice if they do it right. Limbus too. A new expansion would be the balls. I doubt we'll get that though.
What SE does next is pretty damn important. I've got about 3-5 other LS members who are still "active" and at least half of them are on the fence about leaving. We're getting by mostly on one insanely rich BST funding King Behemoths and Nidhoggs for the hell of it. -
12-28-2011, 10:08 AMGlacont
Well Played, Francisco. /cheer
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12-28-2011, 10:18 AMAtomic_SkullQuote:
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12-28-2011, 10:58 AMRiseofgaryDude what you did look me up on FFXIAH because I havent been on Drg in awhile and all I see is you bitching about is Uther's grip which I know is junk and FrankReynolds is co signing as if he played with or know me ingame such foolish ppls that love to talk shit and fell proud because the have an emp and running around in AF3+2.Quote:
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12-28-2011, 11:19 AMGreatguardianWell, obviously you were on Dragoon 2 days ago and it's pretty freaking terrible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Riseofgary
At least I'm not talking shit and felling proud while running around in AF3+1, Uther's Grip, and latent: Relic WS weapons. -
12-28-2011, 11:55 AMRiseofgaryYes I'm proud of it because it just me. I am not going to lose sleep over a job that I barley play on and not one of my main job. I have 17/20 that range from 95-99. Why would I care about a Drg that I dont use that much. I can tell you this I bet you I can still out DD ppls with full AF3+2 that was born in abyssea win my gimp drg and latent Relic WS weapon skill. Since you look me up did you like my Gandiva and armageddon and dont worry my relic Bravura will up soon I guess you like to talk shit and guess what my War is running with full AF3+2 and so is my Rng. while my blm and nin is just 4/5Quote:
Originally Posted by Greatguardian
on AF3+2 but I do have a life outside of FFXi so I couldnt pimp my Drg for you Greatguardian. I still want to thank you for looking me up you made me feel real important. Dont worry I am working on VWNM too. And it feeling proud not felling -
12-28-2011, 12:09 PMTybudX
You have WAR, DRK, and SAM all 95-99 range, not one of which should wear Uther's Grip. Sell a stack of crystals, buy a Sword Strap, quit being overtly stupid and/or lazy.
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12-28-2011, 12:21 PMGreatguardian
All of the people making fun of you have played either from release or for a very long time regardless. But sure, go ahead and talk about people born in Abyssea and RL card some more.
I swear, some people are their own worst enemies. -
12-28-2011, 12:35 PMSparthosSome of us like to be consistent in what we say is all. That's what taking a side in a discussion is all about.Quote:
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12-28-2011, 01:05 PMGreatguardian
Step 1: Make a thread
Step 2: Get told to gtfo by entire forum
Step 3: spam "idc, u mad bro?" gifs
Step 4: ???
Step 5: Profit!