Personal temper findings

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I am pretty much done with this. It should be possible to get 21% Double Attack from Temper at 99 with a perfect enhancing magic set. You can almost get 22% (2 skill off) but you can't yet (outside of Abyssea), I think. The data is on the talk page.

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Originally Posted by Byrth

I am pretty much done with this. It should be possible to get 21% Double Attack from Temper at 99 with a perfect enhancing magic set. You can almost get 22% (2 skill off) but you can't yet (outside of Abyssea), I think. The data is on the talk page.

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Have they done any testing over at BG on the new sword WS yet? I know they've been doing the others but I haven't seen anyone post any actual testing results from the sword. Asking because if it's like Shun then we can try to see if SE is willing to fix it.

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Originally Posted by saevel

Have they done any testing over at BG on the new sword WS yet? I know they've been doing the others but I haven't seen anyone post any actual testing results from the sword. Asking because if it's like Shun then we can try to see if SE is willing to fix it.

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To paraphrase and condense stuff Prothescar learned and posted while testing it:

The attack penalty isn't as steep as that of Blade: Shun or Resolution, but there's definitely one present. It seems the penalty is about 20% at 100% TP and it never quite goes away even at 300% TP. That's right. The weaponskill never has an actual attack bonus.

I have my doubts that the Development Bros will consider adjusting it, since they probably consider the ability to use Requiscat well on elementals or slimes to be mind-blowing. They also consider White-Out and toner to be a hidden sixth food group. Can't hurt to ask, though!

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Originally Posted by SpankWustler

To paraphrase and condense stuff Prothescar learned and posted while testing it:

The attack penalty isn't as steep as that of Blade: Shun or Resolution, but there's definitely one present. It seems the penalty is about 20% at 100% TP and it never quite goes away even at 300% TP. That's right. The weaponskill never has an actual attack bonus.

I have my doubts that the Development Bros will consider adjusting it, since they probably consider the ability to use Requiscat well on elementals or slimes to be mind-blowing. They also consider White-Out and toner to be a hidden sixth food group. Can't hurt to ask, though!

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Ele's and slimes? Thought it was a physical damage WS. If it's using attack/defense, accuracy and fSTR then it pretty much sounds like a physical WS.

Doesn't seem as heavily affected by damage resistance if at all, still not very useful due to the attack penalty.

Of course they're probably going to respond with 'balance'.

Unless I missed something it seems like it'd be pretty great for Pil if it's really straight non-type damage like Twilight Scythe, to the extent that people will still be doing Pil.

2 Cors can still knock out Pil's shield instantly without ever getting into melee range, and while still contributing god-tier buffs and A-tier damage, so tossing a sword user (any of them) in to WS down the shield is extremely redundant and inefficient.

I've never lost a Pil parse on COR yet.

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Originally Posted by saevel

Ele's and slimes? Thought it was a physical damage WS. If it's using attack/defense, accuracy and fSTR then it pretty much sounds like a physical WS.

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Isn't it called as a non-elemental WS, as opposed to Physical.

I guess I want to say it's disingenuous to say the WS has an ATK bonus when it starts with a penalty that never goes away. Hearing things like DRKs need 1200+ ATK to cap out their own has me shaking my head at the thought of respectably breaking 600 with food and some ATK/ACC/MND hybrid thing going on, Berserk, LR, and atmas aside. I'm not usually one to whine about the differences between one and two-handers, but just seems like this penalty should be there.

Look look... all this arguing is pretty much null and void. First off you are talking about rdm melee.

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Originally Posted by Anoobulchandra

Look look... all this arguing is pretty much null and void. First off you are talking about rdm melee.

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Yes... very good! There I was thinking we were talking about RDM Curing.... /rolleyes

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Originally Posted by Daniel_Hatcher

Yes... very good! There I was thinking we were talking about RDM Curing.... /rolleyes

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With all the scratching noises of rdms doing on mobs IDK how you could think of that. I mean hey rdms are supposed to be enhancing masters, and enfeeblement masters. So we should be talking about how se can make adjustments towards that. Instead of wasting time figuring out what tempers DA% is. Though with current rate of things yeah RDM is gonna turn into a lolmelee that won't even be used for anything but killing bunnies in dunes like it did in valkurm... and where it should have ended.

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Originally Posted by Anoobulchandra

With all the scratching noises of rdms doing on mobs IDK how you could think of that. I mean hey rdms are supposed to be enhancing masters, and enfeeblement masters. So we should be talking about how se can make adjustments towards that. Instead of wasting time figuring out what tempers DA% is. Though with current rate of things yeah RDM is gonna turn into a lolmelee that won't even be used for anything but killing bunnies in dunes like it did in valkurm... and where it should have ended.

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Lord knows why I'm entertaining a troll but....

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...ur-and-Dia-III
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...g-Magic-thread
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...DM-still-faces...
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...pers-Accession
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...s-Regen-spells

etcetera... etcetera...

Do try doing some reading to save yourself the bother of looking like an idiot.

As Temper is the only thing outside of Gravity II, people will test what the hell they god damn want to without the fear or care of some fool that joined simply to post most his post count trolling.... that is so old and boring now, seriously! Right up there with playground bullying, aren't you cool!

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...IWJOZRf65iTaQ4

All I had to do was read the dia3 thread and laughed. Only one guy saw the flaw from the beginning. No one even told that girl with blind2 1/5 and bio3 2/5 that blind2 is a waste of a merit and bio3 isn't worth jack unless 5/5. Slow2 5/5 is a must anything after that is dependent on how you use rdm. Except for blind2 which the exception for the case. You can call me a troll but you don't know what trolling is then. If anything what I did was "flamebaiting" look it up. You call me an idiot but you respond to my messages, and use 3rd grade retorts. So who's the idiot either way I'm bored. Go back to your lolOFF and the clanging of your swords.

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Originally Posted by Anoobulchandra

All I had to do was read the dia3 thread and laughed. Only one guy saw the flaw from the beginning. No one even told that girl with blind2 1/5 and bio3 2/5 that blind2 is a waste of a merit and bio3 isn't worth jack unless 5/5. Slow2 5/5 is a must anything after that is dependent on how you use rdm. Except for blind2 which the exception for the case. You can call me a troll but you don't know what trolling is then. If anything what I did was "flamebaiting" look it up. You call me an idiot but you respond to my messages, and use 3rd grade retorts. So who's the idiot either way I'm bored. Go back to your lolOFF and the clanging of your swords.

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http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=troll

http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...term=flamebait

More or less the same, but whatever!

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Originally Posted by Anoobulchandra

Look look... all this arguing is pretty much null and void. First off you are talking about rdm melee.

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wow, i thought the internet was out of you guys. it's been what, weeks? since some random jagoff wandered into the rdm boards to flame it up?

i mean granted we've still been arguing with each other.. but this attitude, like you think you're enlightening us? like we haven't heard it a hundred times before? congratulations.. your the latest in 8 years worth of annoyances who think they are showing me the light.

but no, go on brother.. bring us the good news....

i mean it must be news because apparently we've never heard it before.. otherwise why would you bother? just to be a douche? naw.. who would do that?

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Originally Posted by Daniel_Hatcher

Isn't it called as a non-elemental WS, as opposed to Physical.

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Damage is either magical or physical. As in it use's fSTR and pDiff or fINT (fAGI ect..) and MDiff. Damage is then divided into subtypes of slashing / piercing / blunt / h2h. Now I can see them making it a physical WS that has no damage subtype similar twilight scythe. Needs testing and I have absolutely no time to get on the server.

1.) Damage is not necessarily magical or physical. There's a special category called "no attribute" basically, which is not affected by weaknesses or resitances to any of the elemental or physical attributes. What we call "non-elemental damage" is really this "no attribute" damage. Atonement is a good example of this type of damage. Coincidentally, it's also a sword WS

2.) Temper will matter when it can either be used with Accession or cast on other players. It should have been able to be cast on other players to start with, but apparently RDMs would rather screw around with melee than have an actual job to do.

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Originally Posted by Asymptotic

1.) Damage is not necessarily magical or physical. There's a special category called "no attribute" basically, which is not affected by weaknesses or resitances to any of the elemental or physical attributes. What we call "non-elemental damage" is really this "no attribute" damage. Atonement is a good example of this type of damage. Coincidentally, it's also a sword WS

2.) Temper will matter when it can either be used with Accession or cast on other players. It should have been able to be cast on other players to start with, but apparently RDMs would rather screw around with melee than have an actual job to do.

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2) Wrong! RDM's just for the most part hate cycles. If they wanted to make Temper Accessionable like people said from the introduction, it'd be perfect.

Consider this: You're a BRD, would you like it if they made your songs only single-cast... I think not.

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Originally Posted by Daniel_Hatcher

Consider this: You're a BRD, would you like it if they made your songs only single-cast... I think not.

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Didn't Bards complain until they were blue in the mouth trying to get the ability to make songs single target via a JA?

Your point still stands, regardless.

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Originally Posted by cidbahamut

Didn't Bards complain until they were blue in the mouth trying to get the ability to make songs single target via a JA?

Your point still stands, regardless.

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Yeah, Yet we complain for AoE version and get told tough. :(

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Originally Posted by Daniel_Hatcher

2) Wrong! RDM's just for the most part hate cycles. If they wanted to make Temper Accessionable like people said from the introduction, it'd be perfect.

Consider this: You're a BRD, would you like it if they made your songs only single-cast... I think not.

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Cycles are white noise. They don't bother me in the slightest. I'd love having single target castable Temper if it meant having more reason to actually break out my pimp hat.

What I do wish for is an update to yarnball that includes variables for AF3+2 and Composure, as it's essentially worthless when none of our buffs still last for lol3Minutes.

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Originally Posted by Asymptotic

1.) Damage is not necessarily magical or physical. There's a special category called "no attribute" basically, which is not affected by weaknesses or resitances to any of the elemental or physical attributes. What we call "non-elemental damage" is really this "no attribute" damage. Atonement is a good example of this type of damage. Coincidentally, it's also a sword WS

2.) Temper will matter when it can either be used with Accession or cast on other players. It should have been able to be cast on other players to start with, but apparently RDMs would rather screw around with melee than have an actual job to do.

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Umm no, not exactly. Your talking about Spirits Within and Atonement, both are considered magical and are blocked via any ability that blocks magic damage.

I'm talking about it using the physical WS calculation but have it's subtype set to none so as to bypass resistance to Slashing / Piercing / Blunt that some monsters have.

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Originally Posted by Asymptotic

2.) Temper will matter when it can either be used with Accession or cast on other players. It should have been able to be cast on other players to start with, but apparently RDMs would rather screw around with melee than have an actual job to do.

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RDMs don't have actual jobs. Just the ability to try their best and then be told they are inferior because their job is inferior. Temper is as irrelevant as RDM itself. At the end of the day COR has had AOE double attack buffs forever and RDM still doesn't know what it is good at because Aby trashed it and VW really doesn't have a place for it either that people respect.

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Originally Posted by ManaKing

RDMs don't have actual jobs. Just the ability to try their best and then be told they are inferior because their job is inferior. Temper is as irrelevant as RDM itself. At the end of the day COR has had AOE double attack buffs forever and RDM still doesn't know what it is good at because Aby trashed it and VW really doesn't have a place for it either that people respect.

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Gotta love people say things like "do you job" but can't actually say what RDM's "job" is other then "anything not holding a sword". They will attempt to throw the "enfeebling" work out there but we've gone over that to death already. It takes a few seconds to apply the enfeebles that will stick (if that), and then your free for a couple of minutes.

Get back to helping cure/buff the DDs who are apparently dropping like flies and/or nuking.

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Originally Posted by Neisan_Quetz

Get back to helping cure/buff the DDs who are apparently dropping like flies and/or nuking.

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Meleeing > Nuking for damage.

And with Cure IV spamming lolz.

Might as well come WHM instead if that's what your going to do.

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Originally Posted by saevel

Meleeing > Nuking for damage.

And with Cure IV spamming lolz.

Might as well come WHM instead if that's what your going to do.

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Pretty much. RDM works fine for spot healing, but you really can't have a RDM heal unless you are talking about 2 RDMs instead of 1 WHM.

RDM are still tied to Tier IVs for Nukes. I haven't gotten my Twilight Cloak to drop yet to try out Impact on my RDM, but it's the only thing we could possibly have that would compete with an Almace. With Spontaneity and Convert, you could actually get Impact off relatively quickly without worry to hard about your MP reserves. Casting Impact back to back doesn't make a lot of sense because you'd want to ride the timer on the Stat Down Debuff unless Impact can do significantly more damage outside of aby than I've seen.

If you're free for a couple of minutes on the only event you'd use Rdm in because it has unique procs, well it's not my fault your DD are dying while you're too busy to cure them now is it?

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Originally Posted by ManaKing

Pretty much. RDM works fine for spot healing, but you really can't have a RDM heal unless you are talking about 2 RDMs instead of 1 WHM.

RDM are still tied to Tier IVs for Nukes. I haven't gotten my Twilight Cloak to drop yet to try out Impact on my RDM, but it's the only thing we could possibly have that would compete with an Almace. With Spontaneity and Convert, you could actually get Impact off relatively quickly without worry to hard about your MP reserves. Casting Impact back to back doesn't make a lot of sense because you'd want to ride the timer on the Stat Down Debuff unless Impact can do significantly more damage outside of aby than I've seen.

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Yep that is the sad part. One of our best debuffs is from a cloak. RDM/SCH using the 50% cost strategem could do pretty well in keeping the -20% stat effect up. Does damage as well, just at a ridiculous MP cost. But since there isn't much else to toss our MP out on mind as well do that.

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Originally Posted by saevel

Yep that is the sad part. One of our best debuffs is from a cloak. RDM/SCH using the 50% cost strategem could do pretty well in keeping the -20% stat effect up. Does damage as well, just at a ridiculous MP cost. But since there isn't much else to toss our MP out on mind as well do that.

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Funny thing on Spells costing a ton of MP. You can get more TP from Occult Acumen. /SCH would be a better use than /DRK, but /DRK sounds like more fun.

I'm assuming that you can use Spontaneity on Impact, otherwise RDM just sucks as usual.

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Originally Posted by ManaKing

Funny thing on Spells costing a ton of MP. You can get more TP from Occult Acumen. /SCH would be a better use than /DRK, but /DRK sounds like more fun.

I'm assuming that you can use Spontaneity on Impact, otherwise RDM just sucks as usual.

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Ohh it works, so do strategems and the BLM JA. Once just for sh!ts me and a BLM times our JA's so that he got to cast a free impact every 10min. Wasn't particularly game breaking but still was funny.