SE's stance on Cure V

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Originally Posted by Spiritreaver

Rabble rabble rabble

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I wouldn't put much stock in that post you quoted. That person thinks Dragoon needs more love, which is silly. Dragoon is in a very happy place right now. The only problem DRG has these days is SE's new proc fetish, and that's not really a DRG problem at all.

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Originally Posted by Moonracer

Wanting to pull out one of the early posts and pull it back out then eh? And actually yes it does take deliberation, because despite everything, it takes balance. Do something too much and it overpowers that particular thing, it unbalances everything else. Alright, lets say they DID give RDM and SCH Cure V, and made its potency equal or even close to WHM, which is what everyone wants it seems. What then? Would RDM be satisfied? No, they wouldnt. RDM wont be satisfied until they're up and over WHM, because of "versatility" they think they deserve to have more credit than WHM. The fact of the matter is that all these RDM's that are bitching about wanting Cure V, are focusing on ONE aspect of the entire damn job. If anyone has someone to blame for rdm's decline (not that there was a decline, people are just blind) its the RDM's themselves for constraining themselves to only one position, and not allowing themselves to accept, and excel elsewhere.

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As a RDM I am not looking to outshine anybody job because I personally am not the type that likes to do any one thing all the time. I like RDM because if it "versatility" as in "adjusting to the changing circumstances as battle progresses" of the definition. I might be satisfied with the adjustments made to the amount of HP cured from Healing skill and MND if that means that more of the MND and healing skill will be used to calculate the total amount healed. In others words if they are changing the formula to use 20%(healing skill/5) instead of 10% (healing/10) to increase the total hp cured them i am all for it and think it will be sufficient to sustain me and probably other RDM. However if it something other than that or a lesser amount that only gives like an additonal 50hp per cure than you may be right we will not be satisfied.

I dont need to out shine the WHM or BLM at their job I just need to be better and more self-suffiecient at my own by being given ADEQUATE tools to start with which Cure IV at its current state given the strength of mobs added update after update, simply IS NOT. In the end whether it is a RDM, BLM, WHM, or any other job for that matter that is all anybody really is asking for on here.

Also this ONE ASPECT is vital to the survivability of RDM hell all jobs so yes we are focused on it because simply but buffs or no buffs NO HEAL = DEATH and so does WEAK HEALING. And for the record it isnt me that is preventing me from satisfying other roles it is other people who keep complaining if a RDM doesn anything other than being somebody bitch as nurse that is WHM job. Who the hell are you what the hell have you been reading because you obviously missed a string of other threads discussing this very fact.

Giving WHM short end of the Regen stick is still baffling to me.

We get the highest tier regens, and we have a relic and empyrean dedicated to 'buffing' it, not including a merit tier.

So SE has instead given SCH and RDM (via gear) the ability to extend regen duration and now the ability to cast it outside party.

SE seems to weigh HP recovered/tick too heavily, given in many situations those ticks are wasted with support jobs topping off your tanks. What a WHM needs is not to babysit a person on regen and the cast time/duration is just way too short for it. Giving WHM an ability to reduce the potency of regen by half but triple duration would make sense.

And they can keep the meritable and relic bonuses unchanged as an extra bonus for people who go for regen builds. But the pace of the game and the way party mechanics work simply put WHM at a disadvantage as a regen user. They take too long to cast and last too short. We're better off cure spamming, which many WHM resort to.

Regens suck. Letting the enhancing jobs take the wheel with them isn't going to make them better. It's no real loss to White Mage.

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Originally Posted by Dekusuta

Giving WHM short end of the Regen stick is still baffling to me.

We get the highest tier regens, and we have a relic and empyrean dedicated to 'buffing' it, not including a merit tier.

So SE has instead given SCH and RDM (via gear) the ability to extend regen duration and now the ability to cast it outside party.

SE seems to weigh HP recovered/tick too heavily, given in many situations those ticks are wasted with support jobs topping off your tanks. What a WHM needs is not to babysit a person on regen and the cast time/duration is just way too short for it. Giving WHM an ability to reduce the potency of regen by half but triple duration would make sense.

And they can keep the meritable and relic bonuses unchanged as an extra bonus for people who go for regen builds. But the pace of the game and the way party mechanics work simply put WHM at a disadvantage as a regen user. They take too long to cast and last too short. We're better off cure spamming, which many WHM resort to.

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Wrong, SCH gets the highest tier with V coming at 99 (SCH Exclusive) and IV at 76..

Only SCH has any real bonus with Regen's with the upcoming updates. RDM only gets Regen II in no way does that make them any good.

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Originally Posted by Daniel_Hatcher

Wrong, SCH gets the highest tier with V coming at 99 (SCH Exclusive) and IV at 76..

Only SCH has any real bonus with Regen's with the upcoming updates. RDM only gets Regen II in no way does that make them any good.

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That's news to me. care to provide a link.

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Originally Posted by Dekusuta

That's news to me. care to provide a link.

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Regen V was found in the .dats stating SCH lvl.99 [http://www.juliandev.com/nov11test]

Regen IV is already available at 76 or 78 can't remember on the test server.

http://www.juliandev.com/nov11test/

Your bracket got included in the url.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

http://www.juliandev.com/nov11test/

Your bracket got included in the url.

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Ah, thanks!

I wouldn't mind the lack of cure V and cure VI is they would just make our enfeebs work again!

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

Regens suck. Letting the enhancing jobs take the wheel with them isn't going to make them better. It's no real loss to White Mage.

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Always said HP now is better then HP later.

Couldnt agree more but those small hp gains do add up over time and equal less cures for a RDM with composure at least. In addition, If RDM adds /dnc and Drain Samba 2 it would be a little better but to be honest unless they allow Regen tiers to stack all regens will always suck but that will never happen.

I wish we would get at least Regen III so I can composure it on myself. Regen II + StoneSkin can really stretch your MP in low man situations. Regen II, even with your full AF3+2 set bonus is still not very good.

Regen's are awesome, but don't look at them for immediate healing. If your casting Regen to recover someone's HP then it's already too late. Regen's are for proactive use, you cast them to recover damage the person will take over time. This is where I think SE screwed up the most, the duration is too low for their casting times. You cast them on people who are about to take damage, as long as your healer isn't capping them out constantly then Regen's have a purpose. Of course Regen II it pitiful at 95, SE should of gave RDM both Regen III and Regen IV naturally.