[dev1049] New weapon skills

I think you misinterpreted my post.

Even among the elitist core, how many people have a slew of perfect geared jobs? I'm talking perfect, not above average or even awesome. Perfect. Absolute best of everything for everything.

The answer is very few. Exceedingly few. So few that Afania really has nothing to worry about. You will never, ever see a massive horde of perfect geared players with multiple perfect jobs and no variance in FFXI. Knowing the maximum is one thing. Perfecting everything? That's a feat. When most people can't even be assed to get an Empyrean or two, you really don't have to worry about everyone being the same.

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Originally Posted by brayen

You are fairly slow if you can't see the problem with needing to undertake the task of empy/relic/mythic as a solution to rendering your job inferior. Fact is there is a base line on what is to be expected from x Job. Where as once you had things like rampage, you now have the new Axe WS which is showing up as being better, and so on for all the weapon classes. Saying "oh you can't maximize a job then go get an empy" is downright insulting as a response.

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Implying 90% the playerbase doesn't already see you as inferior if you don't have an empyrean WS.

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Originally Posted by Mirage

Implying 90% the playerbase doesn't already see you as inferior if you don't have an empyrean WS.

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Thank you for further accentuating my point. Needing an emp is beyond retarded as a base level, these WS are easy enough to attain and are at least comparable (and in some cases better) then emp. ws. The fact they are being restricted pushes the typical/average player even lower in terms of performance, as the typical/average player do not wield emp but do have multiple jobs. I just don't see why some people are so against this. All we are saying is to not restrict what everyone can learn, i don't want to see people still using lv 60 WS at 99 and frankly if people are coming up with shortage on merit space this is what will happen, and i cant see anyone wanting said jobs(this feels like the old argument of "baww i camped HNM too much why arnt i special anymorez, stupidz new gear")

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Originally Posted by Afania

They shouldn't make merit WS a necessary to have in any event, instead it should be a nice bonus.

I only use blue mage as an example, why brought up all the masochist talk? It's not constructive at all and only seems childish.

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What the development team probably "should" be doing and what they do tend to vary tremendously. I find it best to live in fear.

Sorry, I didn't mean it to be an insult. Just a reference to how miserable the workings of Voidwatch procs can be for Blue Mage, since you specifically mentioned Voidwatch and Blue Mage. I don't know anyone who has reported happiness with Blue Mage in relation to Voidwatch, particularly the proc system.

I probably should have been more clear and just said "Blue Mage in Voidwatch with a candlestick" is a pretty weird example of a specific job being needed for a thing. So weird, in fact, that I assumed it was a personal anecdote and you don't mind how brutal Voidwatch can be for Blue Mage.

I also tend to assume most folks on the internet are pretty gruff with language, but obviously that's not always the case. Sorry that my comment bothered you.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

The answer is very few. Exceedingly few. So few that Afania really has nothing to worry about. You will never, ever see a massive horde of perfect geared players with multiple perfect jobs and no variance in FFXI. Knowing the maximum is one thing. Perfecting everything? That's a feat. When most people can't even be assed to get an Empyrean or two, you really don't have to worry about everyone being the same.

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You can even take this further. Even if someone had the time to make a whole bunch of Empyrean and Mythic and Relic weapons and got lucky enough with Voidwatch drops and sky and abjuration augmentation and whatever else I am forgetting, they would then be faced with another issue.

Loads and loads of equipment to store and manage. Sometimes, in cases like Red Mage and Blue Mage, even figuring out what to carry in the limited equip-from-able space for one job. The bestest Blue Mage has the best Charged Whisker set. The bestest Blue Mage has the best Sanguine Blade set. The bestest Blue Mage has the best Breathe set. And so on.

So yeah, I doubt anyone is in any danger of being the bestest of the bester at a large number of jobs.

Sooooo much QQ over such a simple thing. just pick the best 3 WSs for your play style and own stuff. This is not rocket science. Lol

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Originally Posted by Feliciaa

Sooooo much QQ over such a simple thing. just pick the best 3 WSs for your play style and own stuff. This is not rocket science. Lol

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by that logic lets not give any feedback and delete the forums altogether?

Sooooo much QQ over such a simple thing. just let the folks using rational arguments and logic make it so everyone can merit as much as they want and do their own stuff. This is not rocket science. Lol How do people honestly talk like this?

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Originally Posted by Economizer

Sooooo much QQ over such a simple thing. just let the folks using rational arguments and logic make it so everyone can merit as much as they want and do their own stuff. This is not rocket science. Lol How do people honestly talk like this?

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This whole thing is not even close to a rational argument.... The design team has never allowed players to max out any merit category. There has always been a limit on the total you can spend. So asking them to suddenly let players max every WS makes no sense at all and does not even follow the basic design concept behind the merit point system.

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Originally Posted by Feliciaa

Sooooo much QQ over such a simple thing. just pick the best 3 WSs for your play style and own stuff. This is not rocket science. Lol

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LOL @ Missing the point

I don't care if we all had every job at 99 (we will soon enough, EXP is lol and that isn't much of an accomplishment). Forcing us to make choices creates variation and that's good. It's not even permanent; you can change it up after a while if you want. You made a permanent choice on your character's effectiveness at certain things when you chose your race, and you've always made choices with merits that have pros/cons depending on what job you're playing.