ATTN: Dev/Comm. Rep -Relic & Mythic Weapons Reborn {Yes, Please}- レリックとミシックの強化

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Originally Posted by wish12oz

90 Amano is slightly better or slightly worse depending on what you're fighting, but it's safe to say they're pretty much the same.

and the only empyreans that are better then relics and mythics are great axe, katana, h2h, bow and sword. so 5 out of 14? weapons. OH NO GUIZ EMPYREANS ARE OVERPOWERED

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Continue to post! You routinely provide welcome relief to all of the serious and beneficial posts we all have to wade through.

If you don't understand that a weapon that has BOTH a 3.65 to 3.00 ftp advantage (on jobs that do 60% of their damage via WS), plus a DOT advantage by doing DD as an aftermath (which on sam should be on most of the time), then I can certainly understand why this whole thread leaves you struggling.

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Originally Posted by Sparthos

Bow is debatable. Ranger is w/e atm.

You get a superior WS on Gandiva but it's superiority and RNGs lack of survivability means you'll likely be eating floor reducing your DPS to tatters. Great for making fireworks though.

Yoichi gets a beefed up Namas which isn't quite Jishnu's but delays your inevitable trip to the ground. Obviously using Barrage can be a quick death sentence but in terms of complementing RNG, the relic options are superior to the Empyreans.

H2H, Katana and Gaxe are better examples of weapons where the Emps totally trash the Relics on all fronts.

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I really agree with most of what you say here, but because rng shoots so slowly, and because many mobs have damage reductions, there are many mobs where rngs pulling hate does not occur because melee are not just doing 2k WS, but also hammering out rapid crits.

At that point, you are comparing roughly a 2,000 Jishnu (5,25 ftp with DD aftermath) to a 1,200 Namas (2.75 ftp+bonus). The advantage for Yoichi when neither rng pulls hate is gone.

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Originally Posted by wish12oz

90 Amano is slightly better or slightly worse depending on what you're fighting, but it's safe to say they're pretty much the same.

and the only empyreans that are better then relics and mythics are great axe, katana, h2h, bow and sword. so 5 out of 14? weapons. OH NO GUIZ EMPYREANS ARE OVERPOWERED

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Rudra's Storm stomps Mercy Stroke.

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Originally Posted by DrStrangelove

Continue to post! You routinely provide welcome relief to all of the serious and beneficial posts we all have to wade through.

If you don't understand that a weapon that has BOTH a 3.65 to 3.00 ftp advantage (on jobs that do 60% of their damage via WS), plus a DOT advantage by doing DD as an aftermath (which on sam should be on most of the time), then I can certainly understand why this whole thread leaves you struggling.

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If turns out to be correct that empyrean weaponskills have a cRatio bonus then the gap becomes even larger.

that's very easy to test but I don't have an emp to test it with!

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Originally Posted by Bumbeen

that's very easy to test but I don't have an emp to test it with!

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Not really because it doesn't show except on high level mobs where you don't have the damage consistency of lvl 1 rabbits.

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Originally Posted by Atomic_Skull

Not really because it doesn't show except on high level mobs where you don't have the damage consistency of lvl 1 rabbits.

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Won't be consistent anyway since most of them are crit, but could still do it in a days worth of work or so

Hey Admins June 6th is another update, when are we going to get an update?

[dev1018] Relic & Mythic Adjustments and Refinements

The next version update is scheduled to feature the following adjustments:

Once again I wish someone, community dev, development team, whoever is listening and can answer[SIZE="5"]:([/SIZE]

ABANDON ALL HOPE YE WHO ENTER THIS THREAD