Do Relic, Mythic, and Empyrean staves lack utility?

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Originally Posted by Razushu

In a party if you're a good player theres lots to do between rages. And as for solo anything big it's stupid to melee on anyway

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But that is what Apoc atma is for anyway. For him at least.

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Originally Posted by Korpg

But that is what Apoc atma is for anyway. For him at least.

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Either that or the biggest NMs he's fighting are the likes of Bubbly Bernie and Falcatus Aranei

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Originally Posted by Razushu

Either that or the biggest NMs he's fighting are the likes of Bubbly Bernie and Falcatus Aranei

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Lets give him some credit.

Lets all say that the biggest NM he can effectively melee on would be.....hmm....Waraxe Beak. Nothing too bad to kill, doesn't drop anything good, and can kill an unintelligent player.

You don't need a weapon to totally offset perp cost with full empyrean +2, including auto refresh.

... Anyway... Can we just rename this topic "Let's troll Dallas!" ? Because that's basically all that's going on here anymore.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

You don't need a weapon to totally offset perp cost with full empyrean +2, including auto refresh.

... Anyway... Can we just rename this topic "Let's troll Dallas!" ? Because that's basically all that's going on here anymore.

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Without Atma? Even if you /RDM and continue to cast Refresh on you 100% of the time you still only get 1 mp per tick back with the most ideal set (not including WotG earring). Sure, that is free, but is it plausible? Can you keep your avatar out forever while continue to BP? Sure, theoretically you can, but your damage would really suck.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

You don't need a weapon to totally offset perp cost with full empyrean +2, including auto refresh.

... Anyway... Can we just rename this topic "Let's troll Dallas!" ? Because that's basically all that's going on here anymore.

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Al just be glad he's united everyone in this thread and the cyclical arguments have ended thanks to Dallas

LOL, so not even Al knows the answer to this mystery?

Full +2 gear is macro only.

Replace pants with Augur Brais or refresh augmented subligar.
Replace hands with Nashira Gages.
Using Garuda, replace the +2 horn with the headband.
+2 body, and legs stay on.

Free avatars all the time, with soulscourge.

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Originally Posted by Dallas

LOL, so not even Al knows the answer to this mystery?

Full +2 gear is macro only.

Replace pants with Augur Brais or refresh augmented subligar.
Replace hands with Nashira Gages.
Using Garuda, replace the +2 horn with the headband.
+2 body, and legs stay on.

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With Caller's Horn +1/2 Karura becomes a macro piece

Not if you are DDing or tanking. So yah, for you.

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Without Atma?

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Yes.

And as above, Karura is a macro piece, not the caller's horn. The attack/def bonus on the hachigane is insignificant, and only relevant with Garuda.

For ordinary SMN activities, you can easily fulltime the entire set (macroing BP delay and such in as needed of course).
Gages are nice but not very obtainable if you don't have them already because nobody does limbus.

Enhances Avatar Attack and Defense is much better than Enhances Favor. Karura > Horn.

Useless buff is not much better than useless buff. Karurua !> Horn.

+2 refresh > -2 perp cost.

Your avatar has never taken a hit for you?

Defense bonus is virtually meaningless?

If I'm concerned about my avatar's ability to take hits, I'd be using PDT atmas and/or gear, not a crappy headpiece with pet defense +.

Not at all, it's just that the only SMN who bothered with a defensive build was me. Fortunately, I have 2 easy demonstrations that avatar defense is important:

First, solo agressor antlion in Attowah with DG/Mounted Champion/Minikin with Karuna (I'm assuming no Hverg, VV will work fine as well). My latest 5 fights show that Garuda can almost survive the whole fight. Wait for the next antlion:

Demo 1) Remove Karuna. Garuda will die before the Antlion is half-dead. Resummon.
Demo 2) Use Favor. Garuda will be pummelled into oblivion. Resummon until you are convinced that avatar defense works.

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Not at all, it's just that the only SMN who bothered with a defensive build was me.

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Absolute guarantee: The Defense Bonus on that headgear is responsible for about 0.001% of the total reduction in damage taken by the avatar in a proper defensive setup. Take it off. You will see no difference. Guaranteed.

Calling TOTAL bulls**t on that defense bonus changing "survives whole fight" to "doesn't las half the fight".

Post video proof showing same behavior, same atmas and same gear except for hachigane in two fights of NM we don't care about if we have all this stuff already. Til then, you're blowing smoke just like with every other case of you dodging requests to post your gear.

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Originally Posted by Dallas

Not if you are DDing or tanking. So yah, for you.

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insignificant boost ot def/atk during avatar auot attack< +1mp per tick

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Originally Posted by Dallas

Enhances Avatar Attack and Defense is much better than Enhances Favor. Karura > Horn.

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Each post proves how little you know about SMN

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Originally Posted by Dallas

Not at all, it's just that the only SMN who bothered with a defensive build was me. Fortunately, I have 2 easy demonstrations that avatar defense is important:

First, solo agressor antlion in Attowah with DG/Mounted Champion/Minikin with Karuna (I'm assuming no Hverg, VV will work fine as well). My latest 5 fights show that Garuda can almost survive the whole fight. Wait for the next antlion:

Demo 1) Remove Karuna. Garuda will die before the Antlion is half-dead. Resummon.
Demo 2) Use Favor. Garuda will be pummelled into oblivion. Resummon until you are convinced that avatar defense works.

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The defense is like +10 DG and Mounted champion are whats keeping that Garuda alive

People use avatar's favor?

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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

People use avatar's favor?

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Diabolos in a mage party and carbunlce if you're a healer in the party, other than that it's very niche

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Originally Posted by Razushu

Diabolos in a mage party and carbunlce if you're a healer in the party, other than that it's very niche

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I always end up in the melee and ignore the nin and thf to do nothing but complain about haste.

A summoner in the melee party isn't even able to keep Haste up?

This thread is not for you.

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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

I always end up in the melee and ignore the nin and thf to do nothing but complain about haste.

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favor isn't that good vs the cost of using it. It needs an update badly

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

A summoner in the melee party isn't even able to keep Haste up?

This thread is not for you.

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Melee in an XP alliance don't need haste.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

A summoner in the melee party isn't even able to keep Haste up?

This thread is not for you.

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I think they're just talking about how some people freak out if haste drops for 5 seconds

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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

Melee in an XP alliance don't need haste.

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You're funny. Troll and +1 your postcount elsewhere.

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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

Melee in an XP alliance don't need haste.

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Abyssea killed buffers lol. MY RDM friend hasn't gotten to use his RDM in 6 months in Abyssea

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

You're funny. Troll and +1 your postcount elsewhere.

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If you think haste dose anything but waste MP when the mob dies in 2 seconds, you're funny.

You're right, enmity is what you dose, not haste.

Well, it could be does or douse, either way you're wrong.

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Originally Posted by Dallas

Not at all, it's just that the only SMN who bothered with a defensive build was me. Fortunately, I have 2 easy demonstrations that avatar defense is important:

First, solo agressor antlion in Attowah with DG/Mounted Champion/Minikin with Karuna (I'm assuming no Hverg, VV will work fine as well). My latest 5 fights show that Garuda can almost survive the whole fight. Wait for the next antlion:

Demo 1) Remove Karuna. Garuda will die before the Antlion is half-dead. Resummon.
Demo 2) Use Favor. Garuda will be pummelled into oblivion. Resummon until you are convinced that avatar defense works.

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You really must suck then.

I have solo'd Aggressor Antlion a couple of times for other people who couldn't solo it (I specifically asked them to not help, and most of the time they respect my wished, for the others I just drop party and solo it myself) and Gaurda has never died once. Ever.

If your Gaurda died Dallas, you really must suck. Using Aggressor Antlion as an example is also a very poor one, that NM is easy to solo period. Try Alfred next time.

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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

People use avatar's favor?

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Yes, Physical attack loss is insignificant, and a buff is still a buff even if you keep turning it down with BPs (even though that's a dumb mechanic...)

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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

If you think haste dose anything but waste MP when the mob dies in 2 seconds, you're funny.

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If the mob dies in 2 seconds, you have too many people on the same mob. If you have an EXP alliance, they should be fighting multiple monsters, not pulling them and gangbanging them one at a time.

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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

Melee in an XP alliance don't need haste.

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Melee don't need heals in EXP, everything dies too fast.

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Originally Posted by Korpg

You really must suck then.

I have solo'd Aggressor Antlion a couple of times for other people who couldn't solo it (I specifically asked them to not help, and most of the time they respect my wished, for the others I just drop party and solo it myself) and Gaurda has never died once. Ever.

If your Gaurda died Dallas, you really must suck. Using Aggressor Antlion as an example is also a very poor one, that NM is easy to solo period. Try Alfred next time.

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You followed my lead, of course you can solo NMs. I promise you that you have no special skills on SMN that you can teach me.

Had a good laugh over there being only 21 Claustrum.

That's because Hvergelmir is better and easier to get. But in fact, the number went down, either because they were thrown away or the accounts that had them are inactive.

It would only be funny if there were zero, anyway.

What's funnier is years later there are still zero BST mythics.

What's EVEN FUNNIER is there are more empyrean staves than polearms.

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You followed my lead, of course you can solo NMs.

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He didn't follow your lead. he most likely did this before ever meeting you on this forum.

The BST mythic is untrue, someone posted information on ZAM/FFXIAH about a completed Aymur.

There is 1 at the least.

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Originally Posted by Dallas

You followed my lead, of course you can solo NMs. I promise you that you have no special skills on SMN that you can teach me.

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So, you invented soloing now?

What else did you invent, bread?

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Originally Posted by Sparthos

The BST mythic is untrue, someone posted information on ZAM/FFXIAH about a completed Aymur.

There is 1 at the least.

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Then it was completed after may or april of this year. Note the dates given for the census.