Raise the minimum allowable job level in Abyssea from 30 to 70+

What about seeing the Party fighting fafnir wipe, wasnt that funny? And lossing a bit exp, well thats life.
Only gaining with no risk isnt fun. I bet you had good pts there too, with great exp and alot of fun.
Ans if you think about the back on that situation there you maybe find yourself with a smile or grining in your face, how lol it was when fafnir came upon you.

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Originally Posted by Kazen

I think a lot of you don't understand how bad exp really was back then. With the upcoming server merge and servers once again hitting 5k people this would become a reality again if what you propose is changed. This game simply does not offer enough exp camps to sustain what you want to happen again.

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Never had any problem getting camps or PT in a pre-TAU world.

The parties also always had that unprepared dude that didn't bring powders/oils also. He added even more to the wait time to get everyone to camp!

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Originally Posted by Kazen

The parties also always had that unprepared dude that didn't bring powders/oils also. He added even more to the wait time to get everyone to camp!

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I was the WHM, they didn't need them.

What about the lower levels? And the idiot who decided it was fun to afk one minute before airship and forgot to put /autorun on? And then didn't know how to make it to Yhoator!

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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

REALY?! @.@
Why didn't you just to to the vally of sarrows at 70?

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Valley of Sorrows was only really good til 62-63 tops. The Onnivik Camps were good until 70-71.

Or the guy that zoned the horde of bats in citadel and you only feared the upcoming doom that was approaching. This also of course ended the party with the bonus of lost exp!

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Originally Posted by Zeitzone

What about seeing the Party fighting fafnir wipe, wasnt that funny? And lossing a bit exp, well thats life.
Only gaining with no risk isnt fun. I bet you had good pts there too, with great exp and alot of fun.
Ans if you think about the back on that situation there you maybe find yourself with a smile or grining in your face, how lol it was when fafnir came upon you.

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Forgive me I had no idea you held sway over what I considered fun.

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Originally Posted by Zeitzone

Only gaining with no risk isnt fun. I bet you had good pts there too, with great exp and alot of fun.
Ans if you think about the back on that situation there you maybe find yourself with a smile or grining in your face, how lol it was when fafnir came upon you.

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Pre-abyssea, I can hardly remember exping. I remember some of the places I was and the jobs that I was on, but I don't recall any particularly noteworthy events. I do however remember a lot of the random shit that happened after I was level 75.

Come to think of it my 1st75 was RDM and I hit that at the old ass Ullikummi Camp room. I did a lot of KRT MNK burns also which was as close to old school speed merits you could get. Good times!

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Originally Posted by Nacht

We're discussing our disagreement in this thread.

In the other thread, we discussed our agreement, while some other people discussed their disagreement. Over time and much discussion, those other people stopped posting about their disagreement, and the remaining people supported each other.

Now something similar is happening in this thread. Some people are agreeing with the thread and other people are disagreeing, and we're discussing our differences.

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Yeah but its more flaming than discussing.
Its just like i go on the street with 5 of my friends, search for a lonely person and start to bother him/her. All my friends will be on my side and he will be on his side alone, maybe he has luck and a passanger comes by and helps him.
Or he sees alot ppl are against him/her and stays quiet becouse he/she doesnt want to be draged into it.

Same happens here, mostly in such thread win ppl who have online friends at hand and are very agressive persons who think that only they have right and noone else. So thats us. Me, you, ans the others in here.
Most ppl think after a while "wtf why do i ever bother with those ...", and stop posting becouse they see that its meaningles to argue with ppl who do not accept any other sight.
So this here is flaming and nothing else. A discussion is made between ppl who can change the situation itself.
We cant.

Your posts are incredibly difficult to read, is it possible you can spend an extra 2-3 minutes to make them a little more readable? That little red line under words means that they're not spelled correctly and by right clicking (or shift click for mac) you can select the correct alternative to make it a lot more readable.

I agree with the other guy however, discussion is when 2 opposing thought processes come to talk which in this case is in the form of a discussion.

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Originally Posted by Zeitzone

Yeah but its more flaming than discussing.

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I believe some of us were attempting to correct erroneous statements. The following is a summary of certain excerpt of the previous pages.

There were statements including (paraphrased) "only new players like leeching," which was an incorrect assumption. In fact many players both new and old enjoy leeching.

There were statements involving (paraphrased) "once you finish leveling all your jobs to 90, there's nothing to do," when in fact there are plenty of things to do at level 90.

There were statements implying that activities prior to reaching level 75 were more fun than activities conducted after reaching level 75. This is in fact an opinion, and we were expressing our opinion of a contrary nature.

Now, I won't argue that we were all being civil about it, but that goes on a person to person basis.

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So this here is flaming and nothing else. A discussion is made between ppl who can change the situation itself.
We cant.

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Lock thread then. None of us can change the situation

And Locking htread is not in my power eighter, but yes, Forummaster plz lock the thread.
Anyways in German Forum the level cap 75 Abyssea wins, most germans want it.

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Originally Posted by Zeitzone

And Locking htread is not in my power eighter, but yes, Forummaster plz lock the thread.
Anyways in German Forum the level cap 75 Abyssea wins, most germans want it.

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Then you can go get some german friends and go back to whacking colibris.

Oooh, so just because it won in the germans section means it should be put on everyone.

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Originally Posted by Komori

Oooh, so just because it won in the germans section means it should be put on everyone.

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No, and it wasnt me who opened this thread, but it shows that ppl can be different opinion too, and that the site your represent isnt everywhere as strong as here. Becouse it looks like you already scared away from this Thread all ppl not your opinion by endlessly flaming on them till theyre gone.
There is a huge difference in this Forumbetween German and English way of discussion, while English discussion looks alwasy like flaming till the oponet says "wtf my time is to precieus for this"
The posts in the German section are really more like normal discussion, less pushing on those with different opinion.

Anyways I have been in german forums with the same bad Flaming preasure too.
But here is it more peacefull.

That's a new one, I haven't flamed a single person in this thread. I have provided logical thought trains and I've been very open to any form of debate.

if you want lvl70+ aby==>http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...ll=1#post37146

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Originally Posted by Kazen

I apologize that was a little overboard however I personally don't have a problem with the way things are currently, I think level 30 is fine.

That's a new one, I haven't flamed a single person in this thread. I have provided logical thought trains and I've been very open to any form of debate.

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Please remove that first spelling up there, i think it could be a reason that they bann you, and i dont want that.
Well for me you have shown no logial thoughts, you only say that you want it that way, where is there a logical thought?
You gave me not a single reason i could accept to say: Ok, maybe you are right, maybe we can leave it like it is.
As long i get no reason makes me think that way it isnt logical. :)

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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

Ewwww BLM solo leveling.

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tell me about it... 62 to 75 on mine back in the day... and for some sadistic reason I capped Staff Unlocked retribution on it), Club (and Black Halo), Dagger, and Scythe on it... a large part of that via besieged. <shudders>

Notice how I said "thought trains" and not "thoughts". I'm not implying you in particular think this way but rather this is one way of thinking. Yet again, you fail to comprehend what exactly people are saying.

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Originally Posted by RAIST

tell me about it... 62 to 75 on mine back in the day... and for some sadistic reason I capped Staff Unlocked retribution on it), Club (and Black Halo), Dagger, and Scythe on it... a large part of that via besieged. <shudders>

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Besieged is by no means, "back in the day." lol
And you forgot to Raist again.

Raist.

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Originally Posted by Zeitzone

Please remove that first spelling up there, i think it could be a reason that they bann you, and i dont want that.
Well for me you have shown no logial thoughts, you only say that you want it that way, where is there a logical thought?
You gave me not a single reason i could accept to say: Ok, maybe you are right, maybe we can leave it like it is.
As long i get no reason makes me think that way it isnt logical. :)

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It doesn't matter if you think our arguments are logical. You still don't understand that if you put in a tiny bit more work you can have your old school parties without taking away our leaching.

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Originally Posted by Mrbeansman

It doesn't matter if you think our arguments are logical. You still don't understand that if you put in a tiny bit more work you can have your old school parties without taking away our leaching.

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Its not like i whouldnt have them, i have a whole ls doing Partys on all levels.
But its still not the same it is used to be, then better splitt servers in one with Abyssea access on 75 and on on 30 or even levle 1 if you want.
As long as you stay there and never get access to our Server/World becouse of the unfair advancement you have on your server.

Personally, I feel that if they had originally introduced Abyssea as level 70 or w/e, then that's one thing. However, I strongly disagree with raising the minimum level after it's been around for this long.

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Originally Posted by Kazen

That's a new one, I haven't flamed a single person in this thread. I have provided logical thought trains and I've been very open to any form of debate.

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We don't take kindly to your "logic" round here >:U

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Originally Posted by Flunklesnarkin

We don't take kindly to your "logic" round here >:U

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We don't take kindly to folks who don't take kindly around here.

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Originally Posted by Zeitzone

Its not like i whouldnt have them, i have a whole ls doing Partys on all levels.
But its still not the same it is used to be, then better splitt servers in one with Abyssea access on 75 and on on 30 or even levle 1 if you want.
As long as you stay there and never get access to our Server/World becouse of the unfair advancement you have on your server.

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How is it unfair? Leaching wasn't some well kept secret, it was used rampantly only weeks after being discovered. If SE thought it was unfair and an exploit they would of fixed it long ago.

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How is it unfair? Leaching wasn't some well kept secret, it was used rampantly only weeks after being discovered. If SE thought it was unfair and an exploit they would of fixed it long ago.

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Its unfair for those who do not want to play this new Leechingstyle.
And im one of those persons, i didnt leech a single time yet. And for sure never will do it.
i play the old way and im proud on, but if i see alot of Noobs(not all) around me in the game runing with level 90 and do not even know how to play them job or not even have a feeling for the job they use, i kinda feel sad.
FFXI was for me always a game where you chose a Job, you get a personal bound to that job by slowly leveling it up and experience many ways to work with it, and after you done you take the next second Job you like.
By Leveling the subs to 37 you had the chance to experience many job and then chose if you want to bring it higher becouse it fits your taste.
But players today dont care about the job, it just has to be Level 90, all other doesnt interest them, they go in Abyssea open a chest and level up multiple levels. They never learned to love the job. Never experienced a thick bound to it, and then play it, maybe they can be good in it, but mostly they lack at feeling how to play, no respect for the job they use becouse it was so simply to get it up, fast the job is forgotten and the next one is 90, not even having a good gear.
Later they can offer all jobs but very gimp and mostly with bad playing.

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Besieged is by no means, "back in the day." lol

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lol.. this game... you loose all sense of time... how f-in long have I been in this game.... when the hell did TAU come out anyway... 2006? Old man syndrome... can't remember sh!t.... All TAU really did for me was provide a platform for skilling weapons on my mages....

All I can say is thank gawd for Abyssea. I actually only leeched one job part the way from 60-85 while I was running errands, than skillup as I xp'ed the rest of the way to 90 in that same session. But hell.. after doing 9 other jobs via "normal" xp and "accelerated" (no leech, but xp party style) xp...I think I earned the right to do it.

hell... if I had known it was coming, I would have left every single one of my jobs at 40 instead of rushing to get all of the none 75 ones to 51 before the first level cap was lifted (except the 4 I never unlocked). But, it was a CHOICE.

Think that is something seriously lost in this debate. You have a CHOICE. If you want to smack pink birds in the past... by all means, knock yourself out. Use your NPC if you can't team up--you have your own private WHM that can go to what... 75% of the areas now?

Experience points are almost as pointless as gil anymore...it all just comes so easily (in comparison to the past).

Raist

Abyssea got me 90BRD, I hate BRD.

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Originally Posted by Zeitzone

Its unfair for those who do not want to play this new Leechingstyle.
And im one of those persons, i didnt leech a single time yet. And for sure never will do it.
i play the old way and im proud on, but if i see alot of Noobs(not all) around me in the game runing with level 90 and do not even know how to play them job or not even have a feeling for the job they use, i kinda feel sad.
FFXI was for me always a game where you chose a Job, you get a personal bound to that job by slowly leveling it up and experience many ways to work with it, and after you done you take the next second Job you like.
By Leveling the subs to 37 you had the chance to experience many job and then chose if you want to bring it higher becouse it fits your taste.
But players today dont care about the job, it just has to be Level 90, all other doesnt interest them, they go in Abyssea open a chest and level up multiple levels. They never learned to love the job. Never experienced a thick bound to it, and then play it, maybe they can be good in it, but mostly they lack at feeling how to play, no respect for the job they use becouse it was so simply to get it up, fast the job is forgotten and the next one is 90, not even having a good gear.
Later they can offer all jobs but very gimp and mostly with bad playing.

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I agree with you but tbh the best suggestion out there to date to fix this issue without taking enjoyment from either side is this http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...ver-suggestion

I think zeitzone has some sort of genetic disorder impairing logic..

just because people leech doesn't mean you have to party with them.. find like minded people and go enjoy the game

I've seen plenty of abyssea parties that won't invite anybody below level 75.. if you hate it that much do that or exp elsewhere with folks like that.

You are trying to force your ideas of how the game should be played on others

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Originally Posted by Zeitzone

Its unfair for those who do not want to play this new Leechingstyle.
And im one of those persons, i didnt leech a single time yet. And for sure never will do it.
i play the old way and im proud on, but if i see alot of Noobs(not all) around me in the game runing with level 90 and do not even know how to play them job or not even have a feeling for the job they use, i kinda feel sad.
FFXI was for me always a game where you chose a Job, you get a personal bound to that job by slowly leveling it up and experience many ways to work with it, and after you done you take the next second Job you like.
By Leveling the subs to 37 you had the chance to experience many job and then chose if you want to bring it higher becouse it fits your taste.
But players today dont care about the job, it just has to be Level 90, all other doesnt interest them, they go in Abyssea open a chest and level up multiple levels. They never learned to love the job. Never experienced a thick bound to it, and then play it, maybe they can be good in it, but mostly they lack at feeling how to play, no respect for the job they use becouse it was so simply to get it up, fast the job is forgotten and the next one is 90, not even having a good gear.
Later they can offer all jobs but very gimp and mostly with bad playing.

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That's quite the fantasy you've dug up there thanks for proving how much a minority you really are. I have to ask this now did you even try endgame? Do you do anything in this game that isn't leveling? If you answered no to either then you have no right to dictate how any of us play the game.

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Originally Posted by Mrbeansman

That's quite the fantasy you've dug up there thanks for proving how much a minority you really are. I have to ask this now did you even try endgame? Do you do anything in this game that isn't leveling? If you answered no to either then you have no right to dictate how any of us play the game.

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I asked him this earlier. He claims to have done endgame but gearing jobs is boring so he doesnt like it. Not in those exact words but its hard to type like he does w/o stabbing yourself in the face.

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Originally Posted by Flunklesnarkin

I think zeitzone has some sort of genetic disorder impairing logic..

just because people leech doesn't mean you have to party with them.. find like minded people and go enjoy the game

I've seen plenty of abyssea parties that won't invite anybody below level 75.. if you hate it that much do that or exp elsewhere with folks like that.

You are trying to force your ideas of how the game should be played on others

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Not how it should be played, how it had been played for over 7 years!
Ppl with my opinion stop playng this game becouse of this.
Becouse you cant have 2 so strong different ways of leveling in a game, and if you had take the time and read some older posts you whould make such a BS post becouse i already explained it more times, most simply with the cookie and cake explanation.
They changed the way of playing radicaly without to think about the players.

just curious... where is the OP? 1200 posts now...lol

Hate to see it go, but as it appears to really be going nowhere... maybe the OP should delete it...

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Not how it should be played, how it had been played for over 7 years!
Ppl with my opinion stop playng this game becouse of this.
Becouse you cant have 2 so strong different ways of leveling in a game, and if you had take the time and read some older posts you whould make such a BS post becouse i already explained it more times, most simply with the cookie and cake explanation.
They changed the way of playing radicaly without to think about the players.

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If this is the case why are you still here?

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Originally Posted by Zeitzone

Ppl with my opinion stop playng this game becouse of this.

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This is the vast minority, like people who hold onto 2nd ED.