ffxi should not be this easy

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Originally Posted by rog

No, i am expressing an opinion.

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useless thread is useless then, with no real point other then 'hi i agree with you' or 'hi i don't agree with you'

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Originally Posted by Leonlionheart

useless thread is useless then, with no real point other then 'hi i agree with you' or 'hi i don't agree with you'

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90% of the threads in GD and the job forums fit this description. I think that's the point of the satire, though.

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Originally Posted by Leonlionheart

useless thread is useless then, with no real point other then 'hi i agree with you' or 'hi i don't agree with you'

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Not really? It is feedback. It lets SE know what i think about it. That is the entire point.

There's no way he leveled to 90 and beat all the missions in 2 days. There's several missions with "wait until JP midnight" before they let you progress.

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Originally Posted by rog

Not really? It is feedback. It lets SE know what i think about it. That is the entire point.

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Yeah SE, this guy thinks you made an easy game!

His sole opinion should drive you to make it harder! You don't need reasons!

Sarcasm aside, if you don't have substantial evidence that it is indeed easy for the majority of the player base and that they want SE to change it, then and only then should SE even think you are worth a rats ass.

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Originally Posted by Leonlionheart

Yeah SE, this guy thinks you made an easy game!

His sole opinion should drive you to make it harder! You don't need reasons!

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That's why there's the like button.

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Originally Posted by Akujima

That's why there's the like button.

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There are 2082 people on Asura right now. 12 likes doesn't justify changing anything when you see how many people are actually playing the game right now

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Originally Posted by Leonlionheart

There are 2082 people on Asura right now. 12 likes doesn't justify changing anything when you see how many people are actually playing the game right now

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2000+ of those people stay out of the forums because it's such a depressing atmosphere in here. I've just about had it myself. And I see the same 30~ people in General Discussion all the time.

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Originally Posted by Akujima

2000+ of those people stay out of the forums because it's such a depressing atmosphere in here. I've just about had it myself. And I see the same 30~ people in General Discussion all the time.

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Irrelevant, the point is that this does not represent the majority of how people feel, and is therefore another meaningless thread that was not created to provoke discussion.

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Originally Posted by Leonlionheart

Irrelevant, the point is that this does not represent the majority of how people feel, and is therefore another meaningless thread that was not created to provoke discussion.

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So if you say something in another thread about people who "Truly Enjoy" the game, you somehow represent the majority... and I don't? What makes you so special?

How are the majority and minority different? Aren't we all equally, persons?

EDIT: How is it irrelevant, when the MAJORITY of people who play FFXI, aren't in here discussing these so called meaningless threads. Somehow you automatically know whats going through those 2000+ players minds?

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Originally Posted by Akujima

So if you say something in another thread about people who "Truly Enjoy" the game, you somehow represent the majority... and I don't? What makes you so special?

How are the majority and minority different? Aren't we all equally, persons?

EDIT: How is it irrelevant, when the MAJORITY of people who play FFXI, aren't in here discussing these so called meaningless threads. Somehow you automatically know whats going through those 2000+ players minds?

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No, but neither do you is the point. People here talk in absolutes as if it's their way or the highway, and as if everyone should agree with them.

However changing anything based on the handful of people who actually do make a few complaints is silly. And my overall point was that this thread is useless because there is no factual proof that FFXI in its current state is indeed 'too easy'

If this thread were to unanimously get 'liked' by the entire active community on the other hand...

It's easy if you want it to be. SE has made the game more accessible, which is understandable when there's fewer people playing and they can't just cater for its elite players because it needs to cater for a range of players. Simply put: cater more players means more money, at the end of the day SE are still working with FFXI because it generates a decent enough of a cash flow. Not everyone wants to waste a lot needless time in building their characters up, getting equipment, whilst it is possible to hit 90 and complete the missions a lot faster than before, but it's still quite a number of hours put in to do it. I'm not just talking about new players, but also returning players who have gone through it all before. You DON'T have to jump into Aby and hit 90, if you want to take more time over an AF don't jump into a party to fight an NM for seals, instead kill mobs that are less likely to drop them. If you want to take more time over missions and find them a challenge, then do them as you're levelling up not when you're level 90. If you want a challenge, make a challenge and spend less time worrying about how other players are taking the easier option.

Maybe SE should bring content that's a much bigger challenge for those who wish to take it, I'd hazard a guess that's what GoV and Voidwatch were intended for, but I've attempted neither so I can't comment.

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Originally Posted by Leonlionheart

Yeah SE, this guy thinks you made an easy game!

His sole opinion should drive you to make it harder! You don't need reasons!

Sarcasm aside, if you don't have substantial evidence that it is indeed easy for the majority of the player base and that they want SE to change it, then and only then should SE even think you are worth a rats ass.

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I posted it here so others could discuss what they thought about it.

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Originally Posted by rog

I posted it here so others could discuss what they thought about it.

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Except that it backfired.

Which you either known, or should have known.

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Originally Posted by Korpg

Except that it backfired.

Which you either known, or should have known.

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I guess so.

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Originally Posted by rog

I guess so.

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I'm putting my money on the known part.

It goes with your style of making threads.

Now the real question is, why do you make threads like these? Do you find enjoyment in this, or do you honestly believe in the things you claim to have an opinion on.

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Originally Posted by Korpg

Now the real question is, why do you make threads like these? Do you find enjoyment in this, or do you honestly believe in the things you claim to have an opinion on.

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90% of all threads i make are intended to troll.

This one specifically was made because it is a legitimate complaint (and why i stopped playing from January until the last update), though at the same time i was expecting some lulsy responses, that was not really the (main) reason i made the thread.

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Originally Posted by rog

90% of all threads i make are intended to troll.

This one specifically was made because it is a legitimate complaint (and why i stopped playing from January until the last update), though at the same time i was expecting some lulsy responses, that was not really the (main) reason i made the thread.

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Except you only made 5 thread (look at your profile). Well, 6, but that one deleted thread doesn't count. Does that mean that this thread was also made to troll? Or half-troll?

I don't buy any of this, because you even stated in your first locked thread that you were serious about that thread.

Either stop your complaining threads, or actually find a complaint worth mentioning. All this is getting you is that nobody will take you serious, which some people might actually do still (for example, see some posts on this thread).

Short Advice: Stop trolling.

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Originally Posted by Korpg

Except you only made 5 thread (look at your profile). Well, 6, but that one deleted thread doesn't count. Does that mean that this thread was also made to troll? Or half-troll?

I don't buy any of this, because you even stated in your first locked thread that you were serious about that thread.

Either stop your complaining threads, or actually find a complaint worth mentioning. All this is getting you is that nobody will take you serious, which some people might actually do still (for example, see some posts on this thread).

Short Advice: Stop trolling.

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protip: if i say i am not trolling, i am almost definitely not trolling. If i say i am serious, it may or may not be true. I do not really go all out when trolling. As you can see from my past threads, it is simply not worth the effort. All it takes is one sentence that is so clearly a troll that you would have to be having your first interaction with another human being to not realize it is not a troll thread. Yet people still bite. Those are the people i like to troll. I am a lazy troll. If i was trolling, there would really be no point arguing that i was not trolling, because you wouldn't believe me anyway, and even if i could convince you, it would not be worth the effort.

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Originally Posted by rog

protip: if i say i am not trolling, i am almost definitely not trolling. If i say i am serious, it may or may not be true. I do not really go all out when trolling. As you can see from my past threads, it is simply not worth the effort. All it takes is one sentence that is so clearly a troll that you would have to be having your first interaction with another human being to not realize it is not a troll thread. Yet people still bite. Those are the people i like to troll. I am a lazy troll. If i was trolling, there would really be no point arguing that i was not trolling, because you wouldn't believe me anyway, and even if i could convince you, it would not be worth the effort.

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Who said that a troll who believes in what they say is the worst type of troll? I do remember somebody saying that once on this forum.

Either way, I don't believe a word you say. You could say you are not trolling, but it is obvious that you are. You could say you are trolling, but I still won't believe because of your history of "not trolling"

I do not particularly care if you believe me. I care just enough to explain my position. Which, while sitting in class bored, does not take much.

Well, maybe if you pay attention in class, you might do well in that class.

Just saying.

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Originally Posted by Korpg

Well, maybe if you pay attention in class, you might do well in that class.

Just saying.

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Just stop. If it's a serious thread, it's a serious thread. It's no member's job to be the forum police.

I have a 100% in the class so far, so...

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Originally Posted by rog

I have a 100% in the class so far, so...

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Obviously if you payed attention you'd have 110%.

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Originally Posted by rog

Recently a friend of mine started playing ffxi. He just started a new character. It took him less than one day to reach level 90. It took him another day to beat all the missions. The next day he beat shinryu, and got all the good atmas, and abyssites. About one more day later, he had full af3+2. On his fifth day back, he finally finished his empyrean weapon. On his sixth day back, he realized he had beat the game, and had nothing left to do, except watch the credits.

This game should not be that easy. What ever happened to ffxi being "challenging"? What made ffxi so great in the past was that it was challenging. It was not a game where you had everything handed to you on a golden platter. And with each drop, came a sense of accomplishment. But now there is no sense of accomplishment, because it is impossible to overcome any challenges, since after all, no challenges remain in the game.

Please SE, make ffxi challenging again.

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I think FF is still challenging; SE make you do all those pointless MoT kills and silly Level 17 NM kills which takes 4-8 hours to pop. You spend a lot of time circling waiting and looking at the screen doing nothing; that's every challenging in deed.

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Originally Posted by Raksha

Obviously if you payed attention you'd have 110%.

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I don't think i can get an A+ :(

Did the OP's story actually happen? No. Going from level 1-90 in one day is definately possible for any player who already has several 90s, exp rings, friends to help them, etc. But a brand new player with 1 ingame friend would not be able to figure out the controls, general gameplay mechanics, which areas to level in, level from 1-30, get SJ, level SJ to 30, level SJ to 45 by mooching exp in aby, level main job to 50, do LB1, level main job to 55, do LB2, level main job to 60, do LB3, etc. in "less than one day". As if the idea of that happening was not ridiculous enough, some linkshell full of people helped him grind out an empy on his 5th day (which can take 5 days alone just camping the previous trial NMs depending on which NMs you get) in ONE DAY, only to have this complete newb they put so much time and effort into quit the game. Yeah, that story did not happen.

Does the poster raise a good point? Yes and no. Yes because there are several parts of the game which are now just way easier than they should be, but the opposite is also true. Have you tried to kill the neoboss in Dynamis San d'Oria? He certainly ain't no pushover, but the problem is WHY would you kill him when there's no serious reward for doing so. The prime things in the game which make a character powerful can be found in abyssea and abyssea is too easy.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that ever since Abyssea came out, the entire game of FFXI became nothing but abyssea. Since abyssea is too easy, ffxi is too easy. Exp will never be the same thanks to it, but equipment will hopefully someday surpass the equipment you find in abyssea and will hopefully be difficult to obtain.

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Originally Posted by Yinnyth

Did the OP's story actually happen? No. Going from level 1-90 in one day is definately possible for any player who already has several 90s, exp rings, friends to help them, etc. But a brand new player with 1 ingame friend would not be able to figure out the controls, general gameplay mechanics, which areas to level in, level from 1-30, get SJ, level SJ to 30, level SJ to 45 by mooching exp in aby, level main job to 50, do LB1, level main job to 55, do LB2, level main job to 60, do LB3, etc. in "less than one day".

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With one friend? It most certainly is possible, seeing as they do not need to do half of that (hey, go to x zone, kill y mobs, while i spam cures on you with my 90 rdm). Sub jobs are not required to reach level 90. Also, that is not how you do genkais. You do g1, get level 51, then go g2, get 60, do g3, get 61, do g4, get 70, then maat,+g6, etc. Unless you like resetting chains i guess.

Leveling to 90 in one day was probably the most realistic thing in my OP, other than full af3+2.

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Originally Posted by rog

Leveling to 90 in one day was probably the most realistic thing in my OP, other than full af3+2.

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This is true, it is the most realistic part of the OP. That doesn't mean it's realistic at all. Beating Maat first try at level 70 when you're completely new to the game would be miraculous. Especially for someone who had been powerleveled and aby mooched the whole way up. Maybe he was just a thf that got extremely lucky and managed to steal with 0 gear that grants bonuses to steal, I suppose. That would help make up for the fact that his dagger and evasion skills were around level 30. But I fought Maat on thf at level 75 after I had AF2 pants with +5 to steal plus all my AF1 plus various other pieces of steal gear, and I still failed to steal 4 times in a row, then gave up and just meleed him to death.

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Originally Posted by Yinnyth

This is true, it is the most realistic part of the OP. That doesn't mean it's realistic at all. Beating Maat first try at level 70 when you're completely new to the game would be miraculous. Especially for someone who had been powerleveled and aby mooched the whole way up. Maybe he was just a thf that got extremely lucky and managed to steal with 0 gear that grants bonuses to steal, I suppose. That would help make up for the fact that his dagger and evasion skills were around level 30. But I fought Maat on thf at level 75 after I had AF2 pants with +5 to steal plus all my AF1 plus various other pieces of steal gear, and I still failed to steal 4 times in a row, then gave up and just meleed him to death.

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war is easy, and takes an hour to skill up using retaliation.

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Originally Posted by rog

Recently a friend of mine started playing ffxi. He just started a new character. It took him less than one day to reach level 90. It took him another day to beat all the missions. The next day he beat shinryu, and got all the good atmas, and abyssites. About one more day later, he had full af3+2. On his fifth day back, he finally finished his empyrean weapon. On his sixth day back, he realized he had beat the game, and had nothing left to do, except watch the credits.

This game should not be that easy. What ever happened to ffxi being "challenging"? What made ffxi so great in the past was that it was challenging. It was not a game where you had everything handed to you on a golden platter. And with each drop, came a sense of accomplishment. But now there is no sense of accomplishment, because it is impossible to overcome any challenges, since after all, no challenges remain in the game.

Please SE, make ffxi challenging again.

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Somehow I'm finding it hard to believe this thread and taking it as a pinch of salt.... as it's virtually impossible in my opinion that a new player who just joined the game to get a empyrean weapon in 6 days.....

Only way I could see him doing that is by buying the items he needed for the trials... if you're telling me that he did every NM's for his trial then I'm sorry, I don't believe you and think you're trolling just for the sake of it!

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Originally Posted by Lukielucas

Somehow I'm finding it hard to believe this thread and taking it as a pinch of salt.... as it's virtually impossible in my opinion that a new player who just joined the game to get a empyrean weapon in 6 days.....

Only way I could see him doing that is by buying the items he needed for the trials... if you're telling me that he did every NM's for his trial then I'm sorry, I don't believe you and think you're trolling just for the sake of it!

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Since you obviously have not bothered reading past the first post, i will let you in on a little secret:

The first post, while technically possible, did not happen. Instead it was meant to illustrate a point.

the point is its not possible since ppl have lives and dont have all the free time in the world to waste on a video game. sorry

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Originally Posted by Arlan

the point is its not possible since ppl have lives and dont have all the free time in the world to waste on a video game. sorry

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lol?

Having a life does not at all prevent you from doing such things. In fact, it can almost all be done afk, with others doing all the work. Exping, empyreans, and af3 can be done afk, only needing to come back to trade items to the crate, and genkais.

Umm. Again people have lives, why would they waste time like that over a video game again?

I mean seriously? You have to look for people who are willing to let you in to leach and even if you do that, the people who are doing all the work while your afk also have their own lives so not everyone will put all the time in the world do get your stuff done just so you can progress. Sorry not how it works.

Besides, if thats how it was, Everyone would of been done with ffxi by now and quit. This includes me but NOPE.. Im still playing and I got too much to do and im sure others do too.

Tell me, how come I haven't finished majority of the main contents?
Because I simply dont have the time. I'm sure I am not the only one in that position.

People got things to do in RL.
Today FFXi you can get things done in a reasonable rate. But that doesn't mean everyone can get it done the way you explained it. Sorry. Thats unrealistic

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Originally Posted by Korpg

Now the real question is, why do you make threads like these? Do you find enjoyment in this, or do you honestly believe in the things you claim to have an opinion on.

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Give it up.

They've added medals to post count. He'll never leave now.

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Originally Posted by Arlan

Umm. Again people have lives, why would they waste time like that over a video game again?

I mean seriously? You have to look for people who are willing to let you in to leach and even if you do that, the people who are doing all the work while your afk also have their own lives so not everyone will put all the time in the world do get your stuff done just so you can progress. Sorry not how it works.

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Because you can only have help from one group of people, ever, and after that no one else can possibly do anything for you. And that group is of course always all online at exactly the same time, and offline at exactly the same time.

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Originally Posted by rog

Because you can only have help from one group of people, ever, and after that no one else can possibly do anything for you. And that group is of course always all online at exactly the same time, and offline at exactly the same time.

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lol You know, even tho I know your language... I still don't understand what the heck your saying...