Get rid of abyssea

It ruins the game in pretty much every way imaginable.

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Originally Posted by rog

This isn't just about exp! Yes, grinding exp for months per job was part of the real ffxi experience, but so was camping hnms for 3-48 hours, just to watch a rival shell get claim. So was wiping to the death house in windhurst, because someone decided to autorun past. So was dieing repeatedly to trains in garlaige citadel. All of these things were important to really, truly enjoying ffxi. The game simply is not the same without all of these wonderful features.

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Guys this thread is done. Rog is evidently a masochist that enjoys torture and this statement proves it. He/she misses the days of abuse, gathering for hours upon end to accomplish nothing, and watching things you long for taken from right in front of you.

You do not have to be a masochist to like how ffxi was before it was ruined by abyssea.

Exactly. FFXI was all about real skill back then. No one knows how to play any more. I mean, like, how many times do you see Skillchains and Magic Bursts going off properly any more? Like, never! Abyssea ruined party-wide coordination and just made people zerg everything. Abyssea completely ruined Sea too. I mean, like, hachimakis have +5 skill on them and they're 100% drop!! Torques are completely useless now when you can get +skill elsewhere for way less effort.

Nobody wants to actually work any more, it's all about gimme gimme gimme in Abyssea. It went and made all of our hard work from the past useless. Ares Cuirass PLD? Sorry, Twilight Mail is better. My Hydra Haubert that was super rare for years? I can't macro it into anything now! It's like all those years I had armor that 95% of the population either didn't know existed or didn't have were just completely wasted. Now everyone can leech Abyssea and get full sets of AF3+2 and empyrean weapons in like 2 hours. It's so unfair.

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Originally Posted by Miiyo

Guys this thread is done. Rog is evidently a masochist that enjoys torture and this statement proves it. He/she misses the days of abuse, gathering for hours upon end to accomplish nothing, and watching things you long for taken from right in front of you.

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Actually he's an infamous troll from Allakhazam who came here after he was banned there for doing the sorts of things he's doing here now. It remains to be seen whether or not they allow him to get away with it for as long as Allakhazam did.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

Exactly. FFXI was all about real skill back then. No one knows how to play any more. I mean, like, how many times do you see Skillchains and Magic Bursts going off properly any more? Like, never! Abyssea ruined party-wide coordination and just made people zerg everything. Abyssea completely ruined Sea too. I mean, like, hachimakis have +5 skill on them and they're 100% drop!! Torques are completely useless now when you can get +skill elsewhere for way less effort.

Nobody wants to actually work any more, it's all about gimme gimme gimme in Abyssea. It went and made all of our hard work from the past useless. Ares Cuirass PLD? Sorry, Twilight Mail is better. My Hydra Haubert that was super rare for years? I can't macro it into anything now! It's like all those years I had armor that 95% of the population either didn't know existed or didn't have were just completely wasted. Now everyone can leech Abyssea and get full sets of AF3+2 and empyrean weapons in like 2 hours. It's so unfair.

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Finally, someone understands.

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Originally Posted by rog

You do not have to be a masochist to like how ffxi was before it was ruined by abyssea.

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then instead of complaining do stuff outside abyssea if you hate it so much no one is stopping you.

People are stopping me, by not being willing to do anything outside of abyssea.

lol I read the first post in this thread, and read the entire last page (which was plenty enough).

Plenty enough to see that anyone posting here arguing with him is being so trooooollllled big time. All he says for the most part are infuriating one-liners designed to tick people off.

Except that quote of his Miiyo used which is longer. He describes being mpk'd, losing hnms, and the like. It's so blatantly obvious; no sane person would say that FFXI used to be fun because of these things, but rather in spite of them.

Not to mention even while I agree that empy weapons/armour are waaaayyy easier to get than relic/mythic, I like to see someone get full lvl 90 stuff in 2 hours, I dare you. Obviously the guy was exaggerating but it's still a decent length of time, one that a newer player has to take into consideration when planning out the endgame agenda (like grinding for a lesser ws/weapon before you do the much longer harder grind for the lvl 90 empy one).

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Originally Posted by rog

So you think we should just forget about the last 8 years of the game? Real ffxi cannot be played without fafnir, or kirin. They are essential parts of the game. And of course the game was meant to be played at level 75. For 8 years, it was designed around level 75. Changing that now simply is not right, and ruins the original game.

Getting the best gear is supposed to be hard. What sense of accomplishment do you have if you can get all the best gear, including empyrean weapons, etc, in a few days? We need to go back to the challenges of getting things like adaberk, ridill, etc. We shouldn't just have everything handed to us on a golden platter.

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I think you're forgetting one very simple fact... this game is not getting any younger. In terms of game age this one is a hair away from being shelved and in order SE to keep the player base you have so enjoyed these many years the game has to adapt... it has to evolve and SE knows this. When is the last time you did a "/sea all" on your server? I do it every day that I log on and I among my other friends on different servers we have all noticed the same bloody thing... less and less people are coming back to the game... hence the reason for yet ANOTHER round of server merges. Yes things like Fafnir and Kirin were staples of end game play, but if that was all players new and old had to look forward to as the game consistently got older the player base would have shriveled and died a very long time ago. Sorry mate... but it looks like you're going to have to evolve along with the game... or move to another one for bigger and better challenges. Abyssea and other factors may have nerfed the leveling experience, but there are still challenges to be had if you know where to look for them.

Chimera of Shiva

If it were not for abyssea, more people would come back. I know i would.

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Originally Posted by Lisotte

Except that quote of his Miiyo used which is longer. He describes being mpk'd, losing hnms, and the like. It's so blatantly obvious; no sane person would say that FFXI used to be fun because of these things, but rather in spite of them.

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That was not my point.

Before abyssea you worked for what you wanted be it dyna drops to salvage drops, which yes took quite a while but that's where you get the sense of accomplishment. Maybe that rdm af2 hat didn't drop 2-3 runs in a row and then it finally does and you have to lot against another person, you get the adrenaline pump when you lot and bam 31 ; ;, your competitor lots a 29!!!! Omg you win! Story for everyone of your friends.

Abyssea: go in for 30mins and get 2-3 +1s a few hours and get 25/50 more emp items, it's all gimmie gimmie gimmie as someone said before. Now that abyssea is so easy and you get things so fast people want everything to be as easy.

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Originally Posted by Novax

Before abyssea you worked for what you wanted be it dyna drops to salvage drops, which yes took quite a while but that's where you get the sense of accomplishment. Maybe that rdm af2 hat didn't drop 2-3 runs in a row and then it finally does and you have to lot against another person, you get the adrenaline pump when you lot and bam 31 ; ;, your competitor lots a 29!!!! Omg you win! Story for everyone of your friends.

Abyssea: go in for 30mins and get 2-3 +1s a few hours and get 25/50 more emp items, it's all gimmie gimmie gimmie as someone said before. Now that abyssea is so easy and you get things so fast people want everything to be as easy.

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This man understands. When everything is so easy, there is no sense of accomplishment.

Abyssea is not bad, it just needs to be adjusted

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Originally Posted by Kailea_Nagisa

Abyssea is not bad, it just needs to be adjusted

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Maybe, it could be adjusted, in theory, but as it is now, it is definitely bad.

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Originally Posted by rog

The game was better off without it.

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Completely agree.

you know Rog...your "real ffxi" isn't lvl 75...it's lvl 50 max, only rank 5 of the cities available, and only in japanese, only the original six jobs available...that's "real ffxi" because everything else was an expansion of various degrees, just like Aby

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Originally Posted by Bubeeky

you know Rog...your "real ffxi" isn't lvl 75...it's lvl 50 max, only rank 5 of the cities available, and only in japanese, only the original six jobs available...that's "real ffxi" because everything else was an expansion of various degrees, just like Aby

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No. Level 50 was never intended to be the permanent cap. Nor was rank 5 meant to be the end, or only 6 jobs. The level cap, max rank, and most of the jobs were decided a long, long time ago. It is silly to change it after all this time.

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Originally Posted by rog

So you think we should just forget about the last 8 years of the game? Real ffxi cannot be played without fafnir, or kirin. They are essential parts of the game. And of course the game was meant to be played at level 75. For 8 years, it was designed around level 75. Changing that now simply is not right, and ruins the original game.

Getting the best gear is supposed to be hard. What sense of accomplishment do you have if you can get all the best gear, including empyrean weapons, etc, in a few days? We need to go back to the challenges of getting things like adaberk, ridill, etc. We shouldn't just have everything handed to us on a golden platter.

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Wait, real FFXI cannot be played without NMs that are 21-24 hour pops that were botted by most RMT shells known to existence so they can make money off of a fantasy game to people who does not even know what to do with a ridill except "swing at things because it makes me look like I bought my account." There is a reason why most of the player base did not do HNMs, and that is because most people do not find it fun waiting for 3 hours on a pop so your linkshell leader can get the gear that he wants and after he gets it he will just either jump server or "schedule" other events so you cannot get the same gear unless you buy it from the same leader so he can buy the newest bot to try to outclaim other bots so he can sell the money items for his new computer screen and "girlfriend." (Sorry for the run-on sentence)

There is a reason why SE did Abyssea. There is a reason why gil isn't worth the same as it was a little over a year ago. There is a reason why nobody sees anymore RMT /ts (and not because of the chat filter, although that did "help).

Abyssea has been the best thing to happen in this game in a very long time, and I for one am glad that SE did something right and capitalized it quickly. Here is to Abyssea!

abyssea ruined the game!
an event that allow you to lvl a char from 0to max and get all best gears for said job in less than one week while never be in a group bigger than 4 people is ruining the game.
need more PW (before nerf) mob!

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Originally Posted by Korpg

Wait, real FFXI cannot be played without NMs that are 21-24 hour pops that were botted by most RMT shells known to existence so they can make money off of a fantasy game to people who does not even know what to do with a ridill except "swing at things because it makes me look like I bought my account." There is a reason why most of the player base did not do HNMs, and that is because most people do not find it fun waiting for 3 hours on a pop so your linkshell leader can get the gear that he wants and after he gets it he will just either jump server or "schedule" other events so you cannot get the same gear unless you buy it from the same leader so he can buy the newest bot to try to outclaim other bots so he can sell the money items for his new computer screen and "girlfriend." (Sorry for the run-on sentence)

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Maybe if you were in a crappy ls.

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Originally Posted by hiko

abyssea ruined the game!
an event that allow you to lvl a char from 0to max and get all best gears for said job in less than one week while never be in a group bigger than 4 people is ruining the game.
need more PW (before nerf) mob!

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What, fight a NM for 18 hours before people start passing out from exhaustion?

You want more of those NMs?

Besides, you really don't get from 1 to 90 in a week of abyssea. Well, level wise you can, but guess what. You got all that skill (combat + magic + actual knowledge) to obtain, and that won't be fun, or easy, or fast.

I consider myself one of the best SMNs in this game, and not because I solo'd it from 1-75 (abyssea got me to 90, I won't lie), but because of the time and effort I put into that job to make it the best it can possibly be. I have solo'd NMs that alliances can't even touch. I know more about aggro ranges and hate calculations than most, because I have solo'd my job. There are some camps that nobody goes to, but I know of because of soloing.

This game is evolving, and it needs to evolve to survive. Getting rid of abyssea is quickening the death of this game, and I for one do not wish for this game to die.

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Originally Posted by rog

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Originally Posted by Korpg

Wait, real FFXI cannot be played without NMs that are 21-24 hour pops that were botted by most RMT shells known to existence so they can make money off of a fantasy game to people who does not even know what to do with a ridill except "swing at things because it makes me look like I bought my account." There is a reason why most of the player base did not do HNMs, and that is because most people do not find it fun waiting for 3 hours on a pop so your linkshell leader can get the gear that he wants and after he gets it he will just either jump server or "schedule" other events so you cannot get the same gear unless you buy it from the same leader so he can buy the newest bot to try to outclaim other bots so he can sell the money items for his new computer screen and "girlfriend." (Sorry for the run-on sentence)

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Maybe if you were in a crappy ls.

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Wait, you are telling me that never happened ever? RMT shells like TwentyFourSeven/IIZergII/MadGood never existed? They never bought and sold gil on a regular basis because of their bots and selling Black Belt items along with other "goods" and "services"? Linkshells suddenly vanish because of STF interventions?

Or are you just trolling?

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Originally Posted by Korpg

Wait, you are telling me that never happened ever? RMT shells like TwentyFourSeven/IIZergII/MadGood never existed? They never bought and sold gil on a regular basis because of their bots and selling Black Belt items along with other "goods" and "services"? Linkshells suddenly vanish because of STF interventions?

Or are you just trolling?

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What makes you think they sold gil?

but you stated that you want to play the real ffxi...that is the real ffxi...the other things are expansions of it, not the real deal.

No it is not.

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Originally Posted by rog

What makes you think they sold gil?

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Buying NASA bot 3 times when it costed them $2500 each time. The fact that they admitted it, many times, on forums AND in the game. Their leader constantly getting banned and coming back to the game. Being the biggest jokes on Asura, even to this day they are still being referenced as the biggest losers of the server and ex-members are not to be trusted.

If you want, I can probably provide you with the evidence, all you have to do is look up Asura server forums on BG, FFXIAH, and KI, but you might want to go back at least 2 years.

And thats just Asura's rejects. Pandy had some rejects themselves (Storm) and I know that many others will know of at least 2 old RMT shells on other servers.

But unless you are a new player (which you do not project yourself to being) the concept of RMTs should not be new to you.

That does not mean they sold gil.

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Originally Posted by rog

That does not mean they sold gil.

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Originally Posted by Korpg

Buying NASA bot 3 times when it costed them $2500 each time. The fact that they admitted it, many times, on forums AND in the game. Their leader constantly getting banned and coming back to the game. Being the biggest jokes on Asura, even to this day they are still being referenced as the biggest losers of the server and ex-members are not to be trusted.

If you want, I can probably provide you with the evidence, all you have to do is look up Asura server forums on BG, FFXIAH, and KI, but you might want to go back at least 2 years.

And thats just Asura's rejects. Pandy had some rejects themselves (Storm) and I know that many others will know of at least 2 old RMT shells on other servers.

But unless you are a new player (which you do not project yourself to being) the concept of RMTs should not be new to you.

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Originally Posted by Korpg

Buying NASA bot 3 times when it costed them $2500 each time. The fact that they admitted it, many times, on forums AND in the game. Their leader constantly getting banned and coming back to the game. Being the biggest jokes on Asura, even to this day they are still being referenced as the biggest losers of the server and ex-members are not to be trusted.

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Originally Posted by Korpg

Buying NASA bot 3 times when it costed them $2500 each time. The fact that they admitted it, many times, on forums AND in the game. Their leader constantly getting banned and coming back to the game.

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Originally Posted by Korpg

The fact that they admitted it, many times, on forums AND in the game.

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Now I know you are trolling.

Because it is impossible to lie?

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Originally Posted by rog

Because it is impossible to lie?

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Could be the overwhelming evidence that supports the idea. Never know.

If you are called a Thief, you don't want to brag about it if you are innocent.

Besides, Square-Enix seems to think that certain linkshells are RMT shells. They would need the evidence to ban them from the game, or at least conclusive proof. It is bad business to randomly ban people just because.

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Originally Posted by Korpg

What, fight a NM for 18 hours before people start passing out from exhaustion?

You want more of those NMs?

Besides, you really don't get from 1 to 90 in a week of abyssea. Well, level wise you can, but guess what. You got all that skill (combat + magic + actual knowledge) to obtain, and that won't be fun, or easy, or fast.

I consider myself one of the best SMNs in this game, and not because I solo'd it from 1-75 (abyssea got me to 90, I won't lie), but because of the time and effort I put into that job to make it the best it can possibly be. I have solo'd NMs that alliances can't even touch. I know more about aggro ranges and hate calculations than most, because I have solo'd my job. There are some camps that nobody goes to, but I know of because of soloing.

This game is evolving, and it needs to evolve to survive. Getting rid of abyssea is quickening the death of this game, and I for one do not wish for this game to die.

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ok a new player cant get a capped char in that frame time. someone who already have few HL job can easily because some skills are already capped or near from other job, or at least at sub lvl cap.

+ leeched war in a cleave pt friday morning (wasn't in front of computer), went back from work @5pm, went to skill up till 9 where i went in a-tarongi to farm glavoid/chloris, ans was able to proc all the red needed, when i went to sleep we had build and kill 3-4 glavoid and chloris.
I aggre with a full caped and well geared war we might have get more glav/chlo in the same time

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Originally Posted by Korpg

If you are called a Thief, you don't want to brag about it if you are innocent.

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Unless they want attention.

Just got to remember that different people have different viewpoints in what is fun in a game.

Some people like grinding their jobs to endgame.

Some people like fighting NMs all of the time.

Some people like doing quests over and over again.

Let people do what they want, having Abyssea just gives another option to people.

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Originally Posted by rog

Unless they want attention.

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If they wanted attention, they could make outlandish threads like "Get rid of abyssea" on forums.

Either way, come back with better logic next time, and I'll dance with you then.

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Originally Posted by Korpg

If they wanted attention, they could make outlandish threads like "Get rid of abyssea" on forums.

Either way, come back with better logic next time, and I'll dance with you then.

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Outlandish? What is outlandish about this thread?

It's sad. Everyone wants to do stuff outside of Abyssea, but they can't because nobody wants to.

If people would get back to REAL FFXI we can XP in Bibiki Bay and fight Vrtra. Where are the skillchains? Where are the BLM in parties? Nowhere, they have to solo. ABYSSEA ruined that and should be taken out of the game.

Ohhh, vrtra. That is a fun fight. A fight that i will never again be able to do, because no one wants to leave abyssea.

Me and a whole bunch of my friends from different LSes wanted to do Vrtra but we only could get 2 people. Thanks, Abyssea.