New weapons with higher base damage then relics

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Originally Posted by Jaall

I actually LOVE that idea! On any NM that's killed in say a minute that should last a lot longer, they should just have auto benediction lol, would be a new challenge for people and force them to use a strategy. Definitely a good fix for the whole zerging thing.

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But if you can zerg it down in a minute or two even benediction wouldnt be anything more than a minor annoyance.

What would be nice is if say they introduced a nm that cycled thru weaknesses, blunt/piercing/magic/etc at random or one that just became plain invulnerable to ws/magic/etc damage unless certain conditions were met (ie nm is only vulnerable to magic damage when silenced, or nm is only vulnerable to piercing damage while poisoned), so you couldnt just easily zerg it. Even enfeebs being useful again would be great since as of now they are all but worthless on most mobs and esp most nm in the game.

A good ai that adapted to your fight style would also make things a whole lot more fun.

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Originally Posted by Jaall

I actually LOVE that idea! On any NM that's killed in say a minute that should last a lot longer, they should just have auto benediction lol, would be a new challenge for people and force them to use a strategy. Definitely a good fix for the whole zerging thing.

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No it wouldn't. It would be just the same old tank and spank or kiting. Really thanks to FFXI outdated code and LOLps2 there are only 3 ways to beat any boss, tank and spank, kite, zerg. With the over use of 30 min time limits zerg ahs became the main strat since you don't have the time or the area to do the other two.

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Originally Posted by Areayea

tbh I do want another av... i want another 7 avs... I think that'd be awesome >.>; there is an undefeatable mob that takes very specific strategies to defeat... rather than that zerg it down strat that you just outlined. as for that zerg it down before it kills us I want these to have benediction that activates if you do that >.> I think it'd be awesome.

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Except you'd just zerg it down .....

You realize we killed AV by zerging right .... until SE patched it ... then we zerged it again ... and again and again.

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Originally Posted by saevel

Except you'd just zerg it down .....

You realize we killed AV by zerging right .... until SE patched it ... then we zerged it again ... and again and again.

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not like AV now... AV like it used to be... impossible to cap defense, uses all the tricks in the book, and like the 75 AV... impossible; nowadays everything old content is a push over... as for the other person above about the kite, zerg, and tank and zerg methods... remember, there did used to be more to this game than kite and zerg... there was defeat this one first. lol god I remember passing and failing so much on divine might back in the day. and don't forget about throwing things at sky gods helped... then there were outside party strats. ect. you see where I'm going, nobody is used to things that can't be "zerged down" lol maybe they should make these new bosses be resistant to slashing damage... that would throw a wrench in DD's gears XD

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Originally Posted by Areayea

not like AV now... AV like it used to be... impossible to cap defense, uses all the tricks in the book, and like the 75 AV... impossible; nowadays everything old content is a push over... as for the other person above about the kite, zerg, and tank and zerg methods... remember, there did used to be more to this game than kite and zerg... there was defeat this one first. lol god I remember passing and failing so much on divine might back in the day. and don't forget about throwing things at sky gods helped... then there were outside party strats. ect. you see where I'm going, nobody is used to things that can't be "zerged down" lol maybe they should make these new bosses be resistant to slashing damage... that would throw a wrench in DD's gears XD

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Do you know how AV got killed at 75? Kraken club DRKs zerg until they nerfed Blood weapon.
Also back in the days there used to be outside parties for only one reason : every end game linkshells had more than 18 people who showed up to events.
Why do you think people prefer to zerg every NMs? It's way better to spend 10mins to buff and kill something then stare at a screen for 2hrs and pray for a win.

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Originally Posted by Lotto

Do you know how AV got killed at 75? Kraken club DRKs zerg until they nerfed Blood weapon.
Also back in the days there used to be outside parties for only one reason : every end game linkshells had more than 18 people who showed up to events.
Why do you think people prefer to zerg every NMs? It's way better to spend 10mins to buff and kill something then stare at a screen for 2hrs and pray for a win.

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lol embrava gimp reminds me of blood weapon gimp, but still I miss the days of ppl spending 2 hrs to pray for a win... mind I remind you of the 18 hour Pandemonium warden XD; I still say they'll fix the zerg strat by making the mobs resist slashing... would make a ton of rangers/cors get knocked out tho O.o

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Originally Posted by Areayea

lol embrava gimp reminds me of blood weapon gimp, but still I miss the days of ppl spending 2 hrs to pray for a win... mind I remind you of the 18 hour Pandemonium warden XD; I still say they'll fix the zerg strat by making the mobs resist slashing... would make a ton of rangers/cors get knocked out tho O.o

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Then we just kill it with MNKs or DRG / RNG / CORs / SAMs.

Currently FFXI's engine doesn't support very dynamic interactive fights. All fights end up boiling down to a set of dice rolls of you vs the NM, and that it turn leads to weighting the dice in your favor and rolling as many times as possible. Aka "zerging".

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Originally Posted by Lotto

Also back in the days there used to be outside parties for only one reason : every end game linkshells had more than 18 people who showed up to events.

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That's wrong. A very tiny minority of endgame linkshells were playing like this mostly NA (and they ended up doing the same old shit like fafnir anyway). Everyone else was using one LS per event with much less people per linkshell usually. The only thing I did with more than 18 was einherjar and old dynamis, and the rest was done in small LS of max 10.

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Originally Posted by Areayea

tbh I do want another av... i want another 7 avs... I think that'd be awesome >.>; there is an undefeatable mob that takes very specific strategies to defeat...

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What? What "strategy" are you going to employ against an undefeatable mob? Spirit bomb? Spiral power? Ultrazord?

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rather than that zerg it down strat that you just outlined. as for that zerg it down before it kills us I want these to have benediction that activates if you do that >.> I think it'd be awesome.

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Final Fantasy XI Online. We're the MMO with more masochists than Second Life.

Yea, so back on topic, JP just got GS from skirmish, damage 179, +11 strength, +10% Weapon skill damage. Who cares about just the r/m/e it shits on. How about all the content in this game. SE is so stupid, they killed my entire drive of playing this game for years. This error on SE's behalf makes it pointless to do VW now, for gil at least (Akk those pulse weapons, quilin run is definitly worthless) because hmp are useless, nobody going to make anything other than harp 99, so good luck there if you haven't finished that.

Instead of your customers having new content and old content to enjoy and pay you for, once again you trashed the rest if the game. And sped up the process of this game ending. I know this was done for the purpose of making money, but I see it as epic failure. I'm not doing an I quit martyar thread, but I am not paying to beta test an expansion that defies the ffxi trend for the past 11 years, and killed all of my long term goals in game. My only regret is I paid for the expansion, which except for these game breaking weapons, I enjoyed.

FYI, I have ochain 90, kanagi 85, almace 85, started aegis. So it's not like I'm rocking a 95 relic or 99. And I'm pissed. I almost have enough for a 85 empyrean gun, as well as being half way thru making the harp, and a few items towards the dager/ga and bow. I would make a 99 relic, but not many empyrean I thought were worth the 1500 hmps...so the idea behind 1500 was to balance them, but really, you just wasted my dam time because I refuse to do the 1500 hmp on any of the empyreans I have. The harp to me is the only thing worth making to 99.

Now I dont mind new weapons being better, but better has to be balanced. Better has to take a long time to acquire, there was reason to fear. The fear was correct

I wouldn't have outclassed e/r/m and pulse weapons that easily. Since the player's minds, part of that mindset is building an endgame calibur weapon.besides a few empyreans, I never thought they were worth it past 90. Part of the beauty of the empyreans was you could take them to 90, they werent the best but they weren't junk.

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Originally Posted by Concerned4FFxi

Crying about R/E/M/Pulse

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It amazes me at how people cry when SE already said 99 R/E/M were going to get adjusted to remain relevant and best of all it wouldn't be through TotM... Why is no one looking at that GS and other weapons already augmented and thinking "If that's what intro weapons get what will R/E/M get?"

If you thought Pulse weapons weren't going to be further outclassed you're crazy, most of them were already out classed in most situations by a few options respectively and those options were almost always easier to get.

still think relics should still surpass any weapons out there due to the word "relics" They need to adjust the weapons, They have all ready sorted out the Twilight Scythe it was big argument against it I'm sure they can pull something off with the relics.

Point is these "relic-breakers" are in the game already.... the relic adjustments, where are they? If they implemented these weapons already and knew of any balance at all they would have adjusted already. Don't get your hopes up that SE have adjustments in mind within the next few months.

The best 99 R/M/E should not be outclassed by a direct drop weapon, even if the weapon still has to be augmented to be awesome. That just doesn't make sense.

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Originally Posted by Zagen

It amazes me at how people cry when SE already said 99 R/E/M were going to get adjusted to remain relevant

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Are all of you really this optimistic in regards to how SE will treat this? Or did you miss the point where they said "Would not go to waste" and not even remotely wording it in a way "Will be the best" or "Will be relevant".

I'm not going to sit back like a bear on a parkbench or a skeleton in a chair waiting for SE to deliver on R/E/M Adjustments. They said they would not be enhancing them through ToM "Or any other methods", but said "Have plants to make sure they do not go to waste".

We might not be getting a buff, They could just allow their Benefits to work in the offhand for 1 handers, as far as 2handers, who knows. Either way, they made it clear they dont plan on enhancing them through any methods... rather this means they'll just buff the DMG on them or something entirely different and far more useless and "Consolation prize" is completely up to speculation.

You're speculating positively, the other people don't trust SE on this one. neither side has any proof their speculation is warranted.

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Originally Posted by detlef

The best 99 R/M/E should not be outclassed by a direct drop weapon, even if the weapon still has to be augmented to be awesome. That just doesn't make sense.

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And i have to agree with this. Regardless of how difficult Skirmishes are to enter, I shouldn't be able to outclass 99 Relics simply by entering a ~45 mInute event with 3-6 people.

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neither side has any proof their speculation is warranted.

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There's no proof on either side, but the "adjustments will be worthless" side has way better precedent.

just saiyan

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I shouldn't be able to outclass 99 Relics simply by entering a ~45 mInute event with 3-6 people.

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I think it depends on if they plan on keeping the simulacrum this rare. If they stay this rare people are going to charge like 10M per piece and you only get 2/14 of the weapons to drop per run- would end up costing you quite a bit in theory. At best they should be probably a bit below relics.

Zagen,
If your going to quote me then quote me, don't be a bitch and put fake shit in quotes with my name. You wouldn't want me to put something up with your name and quotes and you didn't say it.



And about pulse weapons, they need buffs as well as the WOE weapons. Pulse technology is one of the most important aspects of VW, because of pulse weapons we can spam tier three zilarts and get hmp for gil, also. If pulse weapons are worthless, vw will become worthless that much faster. It's about using their heads when they JUST released VW within the past year...

These new weapons are too easy to get, there is no balance. That is something to to complain about, especially since balance is all you been hearing up until SOA. 1500 hmp, balance, 5 umbral marrows, balance,

170+ damage gs, direct drop, first week of SOA release, 3-6 man pt,balance. . ?

We can argue all we wants, I don't think they will quack on what their plans are for R/M/E. Or you can go back to Abyssea - Voidwatch - Meeble - Neo Stuffs - Legion. Seems like SoA contents are not worth doing, but worth farming items while they are still hot and in high demands. Make sure to voice your critical opinion (and maybe a suggestion or two - assuming they really care what we think....). Then just quietly unsubscribe for a few months, wait till they implement a good updates or two, then play for a couple of months and take more breaks. Save yourself the agony, and save your money. You can easily save $15-80 a month depending on how many accounts you have.

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Originally Posted by Concerned4FFxi

Zagen,
If your going to quote me then quote me, don't be a bitch and put fake shit in quotes with my name. You wouldn't want me to put something up with your name and quotes and you didn't say it.

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Sorry I summarized your post... Feel better now?

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Originally Posted by Concerned4FFxi

And about pulse weapons, they need buffs as well as the WOE weapons. Pulse technology is one of the most important aspects of VW, because of pulse weapons we can spam tier three zilarts and get hmp for gil, also. If pulse weapons are worthless, vw will become worthless that much faster. It's about using their heads when they JUST released VW within the past year...

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I'm sorry which pulse weapon that was released wasn't situational at best the moment it was released?

I never bothered doing VW for the weapons (far too situational for me) it was for the gear and Heavy Metal Plates, Riftcinder/dross. While you could argue the HMP/cinder/dross are "worthless" until the changes for Emps come out much of the gear that was good from VW is still good.

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Originally Posted by Concerned4FFxi

That is something to to complain about, especially since balance is all you been hearing up until SOA. 1500 hmp, balance, 5 umbral marrows, balance,

170+ damage gs, direct drop, first week of SOA release, 3-6 man pt,balance. . ?

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When Emp weapons were revealed players cried about Relics becoming crap and needing updates. It took a while but that was fixed.

SE has never been good at making sure everything off the bat was remotely balanced when releasing new items, if this is new to you then I guess you haven't been playing any of the 10 years I have been playing.

I'd much rather have new items that make me think "OMG that's amazing" than shitty side-grades that plagued the 75 days and wait for the updates to R/E/M as I have more to do than stare at my relic and emps and cry in a corner.

I see no reason for not adjusting the available weapons at the same time as making these new weapons available.

Did you not know what the stats were going to be -- picked them blindfolded or something of the sort?

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Originally Posted by Manux

still think relics should still surpass any weapons out there due to the word "relics"

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Allow me to show you my complete collection of relic Warrior's Armor...

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Originally Posted by Concerned4FFxi

I wouldn't have outclassed e/r/m and pulse weapons that easily. Since the player's minds, part of that mindset is building an endgame calibur weapon.besides a few empyreans, I never thought they were worth it past 90. Part of the beauty of the empyreans was you could take them to 90, they werent the best but they weren't junk.

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Of course they're going to trash the weapons below 99. Did you wield level 69 weapons at level 75? The only weapons that should see any adjustment are the 99 versions.

Your right, but really when doing this kind of out classing of old gear they really need to adjust the old gear in one of two ways, either A, make it easier to obtain, or B, make it better so it can stand up to the new gear. In other words, they need to make Pulse weapons better drop rates than simply 1% or bellow, or they need to change the weapons to be good enough to stand up to a level 99 weapon, like the new ones. Relics and such got this treatment in the ability to upgrade them, but they did not do it with anything else, and they did not adjust the drop rates on anything but the old Salvage gear so far as I know, so this old gear which is weaker is still a pain to get, harder than weapons which are much better, which is poor design.

Maybe they'll take this opportunity to make sure the last 2, most expensive upgrades for Empyreans aren't also the most insignificant (outside of Harp). That's always made me go "wat".

Well thanks to the expansion quickly kicking VW in its proverbial balls, those upgrades are probably going to be even worse to attempt, which a somewhat separate issue they need to resolve sometime soon because it effects all pulse weapons and Emp 95+ weapons badly.

I don't see how that's the case at all. None of the best gear from VW has been outdated in the slightest. See:

-Toci's
-Mekira
-Heka's
-Mala
-Herpaderp Robe
-Athos's everything
-Ogier Helm/Boots
-Rubeus Boots

The Traditional Armor is good, but most of it serves totally different function than those offered by VW. And people will still do VW for gil if they need it, because Bayld isn't worth any gil as anything you trade from it is EX. Depending on what appears down the road you might be right, but none of the big pieces of VW have been toppled or even have any comparable alternatives from Adoulin yet. It's just that VW participation is lower at the moment because of "amg new expansion"- once people get bored of killing roots you'll probably see VW more active again. Not that Pil/other popular VWs don't still fill in about the same amount of time as they did before. I do think that the minor ones like Lancing Lamorak are going to be nearly impossible to find people for now, though.

Pulse Weapons, I agree with you on for the most part, but I never understood why people would do VW with the specific goal of obtaining pulse weapons given their drop rate (~0.05%). That aside, the only one that was truly good was Murasamemaru and that still retains its unique function. Though, really, how many Skirmish simulacrum do you currently own? I don't have a single one and neither do most of the people I know. Given the typical prices on pulse cells I don't think it'd actually be any cheaper to get a Skirmish weapon if you just bought all the entry pieces.

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Originally Posted by Asymptotic

Of course they're going to trash the weapons below 99. Did you wield level 69 weapons at level 75? The only weapons that should see any adjustment are the 99 versions.

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Ridill and K club says Hi....

Congratulations for finding two situational exceptions to a general rule that don't really change the point at all.

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Originally Posted by Asymptotic

Congratulations for finding two situational exceptions to a general rule that don't really change the point at all.

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That was just the two that came to mine really back in the day a war with axe/ridll was common for those that had a ridll and not situation at all actually. Many pieces of low level gear kept value at 75 hell peeps used peacock charm in tp sets I think many have memory lost on how things used to be for sure. Only until abyssea did things really change heck we are now like wow and that has never been the case in the past.

Hey who all used the level 51 staffs oh wait many still do today.....

I'm glad we can tell the difference between main DD weapons, staves wielded by mages for special effects, random pieces of gear, and incomplete Empyreans. 1.) 1H warior was extremely rare post 2H update. 2.) You're still either missing the point entirely, or just being difficult to be a pain.

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Originally Posted by Asymptotic

I'm glad we can tell the difference between main DD weapons, staves wielded by mages for special effects, random pieces of gear, and incomplete Empyreans. 1.) 1H warior was extremely rare post 2H update. 2.) You're still either missing the point entirely, or just being difficult to be a pain.

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Nah just pointing out your still wrong on most all accounts its cool like that Its like strolling down memory lane before SE changed recently to this itemization game...

He's not really wrong at all. If your job is to Kill things with the Pointy/Blunt end of your WeaponThing, Generally Higher level weapons > Lower level weapons. The only general exception was Empyrean/Relics by a small margin, this is because of their benefits, and the occasional situational weapon like Ridill or K.Club.

These super-powered 99 Weapons are obviously going to sh*t on anything 98 and below, including Relics (They crap on some 99 Relics ^^)

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

He's not really wrong at all. If your job is to Kill things with the Pointy/Blunt end of your WeaponThing, Generally Higher level weapons > Lower level weapons. The only general exception was Empyrean/Relics by a small margin, this is because of their benefits, and the occasional situational weapon like Ridill or K.Club.

These super-powered 99 Weapons are obviously going to sh*t on anything 98 and below, including Relics (They crap on some 99 Relics ^^)

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Now it does what I pointed out period back in history of this game it didn't always happen like that period. We lived in an ocean of side grades duel wield weapons lower than 75 period. This is before you could make a relic in a weekend and we took huge numbers to dynamis. Se has completely changed face on itemization ala wow where you upgrade all your gear with every expansion thats where the trend is headed. Every drk at 75 would kill for a K club every ranger wanted a ebow this went on for many years...

Well, It wouldn't do the much good to release a whole new expansion of useless crap or sidegrades would it?

I'm Happy they're releasing top-tier/Kick-ass Armor, I just wish they'd of left weapons alone. Still, these new weapons are growing on me, and as sad as I am my Mandau isn't going to be In front by about...

Mandau >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Next alternative.

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Though i do admit, at the 75 Cap, there were lower level items that were sought after over some higher level items, These items generally stayed in the 70~75 range, with very few falling below that.

You had items like Destroyers, But were evnetually bested by Shenlongs, which were higher level.. Adaman Hauberk > Hauberk >/= Haubergeon. There was always a sense of "Gear ladder" in this game, In weapons and Armor... Its just in some cases the "Gear ladder" Ended a few levels short of cap, and in some cases, it didnt.

Right now, They're taking the gear ladder to 99 cap and improving above and beyond from there, Unlike at the 75 cap.

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

Well, It wouldn't do the much good to release a whole new expansion of useless crap or sidegrades would it?

I'm Happy they're releasing top-tier/Kick-ass Armor, I just wish they'd of left weapons alone. Still, these new weapons are growing on me, and as sad as I am my Mandau isn't going to be In front by about...

Mandau >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Next alternative.

and is now probably
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Alternative>Mandau (After seeing that D:66 Del:183 Crit+5% Dagger, I think Mandau just died on anything short of lv. 100+ Enemies).

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They did for years lol. The new itemization trend seems a bit crazy tho next stop D200 GS I am really not sure where SE is headed with this trend. So much dead content now in this game it isn't funny. I want a storage moogle just for my memories where I had to actually fight with my ls mates in numbers to earn rewards it was painful now I can just buy off a NPC something just not as satisfying about that.

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Originally Posted by HimuraKenshyn

They did for years lol...

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And it was awful and stupid. Though i do agree the weapon upgrades are FKING CRAZY, and I question their direction and if they intend to kill R/M/E or adjust them.

The only good events were the ones that introduced clear upgrades in armor, or very casual friendly with decent rewards.

Read: most of ToAU.. Salvage/Nyzul. Limbus... Einherjar was only good cause of the Abjurations and Odin himself, the Einherjar rewards were kinda poop.

But regardless of how often they release sh*t gear and sidegrades, Unless i missed something, I'm not seeing how releasing clear upgrades and excellent armor is a bad thing? I like logging in and having something to get... If the armor is a reachable goal, Its reasonable.

The only issue i think that would come is if they make all this hard to obtain gear, and then replace it too soon... If the gear is too hard to get, people wont bother and they'll just wait, If its too easy, They'll end up going too full-WoW and just replacing it every month, and then it just becomes a generic gear-grinder MMO thats 10~11 Years old, which wont end well.

I know why they're taking this path, But unless Skirmish Weapons are going to remain viable for months/years, its at the current state way too hard to get into, if they plan on replacing it with better things later on. Honestly, it leaves a lot of uncertainty. I won't stop trying to get the gear, But I see what you mean, and where you're coming from.. I just, I know I can't be happy with Crap and sidegrades forever lol.

Plus almost certainly, every boxed expansion was released/latter added with Clear-Upgrade armor that was better than most previous.

RoTZ = Abjurations/God gear
CoP = Select Torques, Justice Sword, Homam/Nashira, Some AF/Relic+1 (DRG/SMN comes to mind)
ToAU = Odin Drops, Salvage, Nyzul
WoTG = Iron Ram Lance, Iron Ram Gear, Select Cobra pieces, Some of the Gear from that, Very select WoE Gear... This expansion is a bad example outside of Ixion/Sandworm drops i guess.
SoA = HEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeey

In almost all the cases you mentions peeps would still do the kings, for years I baseline on them, your gear didn't become obsolete over night, you upgraded a piece you may have gotten something for a ws or tp phase none of them had you completely tossing all your stuff and starting over pretty much.

You use to have to work at gearing and make hard choices now its handed to you on a silver platter....

All I can say is this is just one more reason I'm stopping my Sub. as soon as Phase4 FFXIV Beta hits.. I have NO idea what they are thinking with this new direction, I just spent 4 months finishing my Relic weapon, and this new gear blows it away like it's trash.

Seriously pondering if they are trying to ruin the game, or it's just an accident.

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All I can say is this is just one more reason I'm stopping my Sub. as soon as Phase4 FFXIV Beta hits.. I have NO idea what they are thinking with this new direction, I just spent 4 months finishing my Relic weapon, and this new gear blows it away like it's trash.

Seriously pondering if they are trying to ruin the game, or it's just an accident.

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Look, I get it.

It always sucks to invest time and energy into something only to find out that there's something better out there. I can appreciate the annoyance of it -- it happens in real life a lot. Say, for house or car shopping. You finally commit to something, only to find out you could have gotten a deal just as good one something twice as good; its annoying. Especially if you invested in a fixer-upper and it required a good bit of work.

Respectfully, however, all I can say is get over it. Get over it and get over yourself.

There are people who, 5 years ago, invested YEARS of hardwork, coordination, organization, and energy into building relics when they could only work on it in 36 man groups every three days. When just unlocking the ability to get to Dynamis took days and currency costed several times as much as it does now. Four months is a joke in the face of the amount of work it just to get to level 75 back in the day -- hell my very first character back in 2003 took me 3 months to get to level 30 the first time for all of the learning I had to do and just figuring out where everything was.

But this isn't about me or the past -- its about the reality of what this game has to do to keep going.

It has to let go; Seriously. You can't keep clutching the overly polished handle of an old '05 chevy cobalt demanding that they keep putting in new parts and retro fitting the engine so it can keep up with the 2014 model. That's not how the world works and that's now how an MMO should work .

Are the Skirmish weapons good? They are damn good, they are amazingly and mind-blowingly good -- but news flash, the goodness of those weapons does not make your Relic, Mythic, or Empyrean weapon any less potent as it has been thus far. Your weapon wasn't removed from the game and eliminated from the pools or nerf'd such that you can't use it anymore -- there has just been new gear added to GIVE YOU SOMETHING ELSE TO WORK ON. You finished Level 20? Here, we'll add level 21.

That's how video games work -- and if you think you should quit because your next goal has been put in front of you and the reward is better than the previous goal then yeah, go ahead and go because we don't need people who refuse to look forward to new challenges. If your mindset was "Once I'm done with this Relic they'll never be anything better and I'm done" you shouldn't be here anyway.

And I'm not trying to be mean, ugly, rude, or to start any fights but that's the reality of it. We'd all be pissed to holy hell if SE didn't add any new weapons or gear with the expansion. And people would be frustrated if the new weapons weren't as good as R/M/E -- so why are people losing their shit because the new gear is better ? Honestly, I'm GLAD the new gear is irrefutably better because it solves a hell of a lot of gear problems for me moving forward. Furthermore, your Relic is your prerequisite for even getting a chance at these weapons.

You really think Joe-smoe who just FC'd his Dark Knight to 99, is working with a lv. 75 Rare/EX G.Sword and nothing but Empy+2 and low AH accessories is going to be prime pickings for Skirmishes? No, its going to be people like you with Relics/Mythics/Empys -- just like it is for NNI, Meebles, and Voidwatch.

Seriously -- the fact you build your Relic is the only reason you'll be able to get a Skirmish weapon, so cut the shit and enjoy the fact you have a new goal to work towards and that you'll be on the front lines of getting it while other people have to go ahead and build their relics, empy, and mythics knowing there's something 10x better or pray they get lucky enough to find a decent PUG of R/M/E folks who don't care about carrying some deadweight loser along for the ride (which doesn't happen as much as you'd think, unless you're a WHM.)

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Originally Posted by HimuraKenshyn

In almost all the cases you mentions peeps would still do the kings, for years I baseline on them, your gear didn't become obsolete over night, you upgraded a piece you may have gotten something for a ws or tp phase none of them had you completely tossing all your stuff and starting over pretty much.

You use to have to work at gearing and make hard choices now its handed to you on a silver platter....

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I couldn't find an actual date for when they were added, but there are comments on Verethragna as early as 2010 -- I'm sorry but 2-3 years is not "over night."

And there's a whole expansion of content left for Adoulin -- the first weapons revealed are very seldom the last, and I bet your "takes me another 2 years" weapons are going to revealed later. Even still in the case of Empyreans no one can really complain about the what, week or two, it takes to build one.

Mythics came out in what, 2007? 2008? Relics are back from pre-ToAU and that was 2006 when it came out.

There's nothing "overnight" about these weapon upgrades. It's time for people to move on -- as long as there are players there will be more gear and if people ask for it, they'll be more "make you feel good about yourself" 'difficult' weapons to attain down the road as well.

And I'm sorry, but it is a bit late to start complaining about things being handed to people -- not when the entire community adamantly alienates non-"heavy DD" jobs in attempt to make everything done in the game into a zerg-fest. No one has been interested in actually learning and earning gear for years now or else every event wouldn't be a WS-spamming TP fest. If you think Voidwatch, Empy, Abyssea, or even Mythics are "challenging" then you might want to reevaluate your use of the word -- especially over the past 4-5 years.

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

And it was awful and stupid. Though i do agree the weapon upgrades are FKING CRAZY, and I question their direction and if they intend to kill R/M/E or adjust them.

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Feels like a large-scale reset for forecoming content to me. Right now the only way to be accepted in to groups for events is to either be a mage (specifically BLM, WHM, or BRD -- unless its NNI then just SCH) or to have R/M/E completed to some degree. Since they obviously want people out of Abyssea, they'd have to give something better than Empyrean, mythics are "hard" to get people together to work on, and Relics are more about farming gil than actually facing a challenge. I imagine they want to reset the game to establish new gameplay trends and a new direction for content. They said the game has obviously shifted from level-focus to gear-focus, so giving themselves a fresh baseline somewhat high above the current standards is like setting up for a completely new and pure arms race. It will still be dictated by the standards of who has the prerequisite gear (see what i said above) but its pretty clear since they want the game to keep going that this is the starting line for a new gear grind. That's the only explanation for why they'd push things so far beyond the current standard "high."

Frankly, i wouldn't put it past them to make it so that you can use your completed Empy/Relic/Mythic as augment material for a true Ultimate weapon down the line.

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Originally Posted by Concerned4FFxi

Yea, so back on topic, JP just got GS from skirmish, damage 179, +11 strength, +10% Weapon skill damage. Who cares about just the r/m/e it shits on. How about all the content in this game. SE is so stupid, they killed my entire drive of playing this game for years. This error on SE's behalf makes it pointless to do VW now, for gil at least (Akk those pulse weapons, quilin run is definitly worthless) because hmp are useless, nobody going to make anything other than harp 99, so good luck there if you haven't finished that.

Instead of your customers having new content and old content to enjoy and pay you for, once again you trashed the rest if the game. And sped up the process of this game ending. I know this was done for the purpose of making money, but I see it as epic failure. I'm not doing an I quit martyar thread, but I am not paying to beta test an expansion that defies the ffxi trend for the past 11 years, and killed all of my long term goals in game. My only regret is I paid for the expansion, which except for these game breaking weapons, I enjoyed.

FYI, I have ochain 90, kanagi 85, almace 85, started aegis. So it's not like I'm rocking a 95 relic or 99. And I'm pissed. I almost have enough for a 85 empyrean gun, as well as being half way thru making the harp, and a few items towards the dager/ga and bow. I would make a 99 relic, but not many empyrean I thought were worth the 1500 hmps...so the idea behind 1500 was to balance them, but really, you just wasted my dam time because I refuse to do the 1500 hmp on any of the empyreans I have. The harp to me is the only thing worth making to 99.

Now I dont mind new weapons being better, but better has to be balanced. Better has to take a long time to acquire, there was reason to fear. The fear was correct

I wouldn't have outclassed e/r/m and pulse weapons that easily. Since the player's minds, part of that mindset is building an endgame calibur weapon.besides a few empyreans, I never thought they were worth it past 90. Part of the beauty of the empyreans was you could take them to 90, they werent the best but they weren't junk.

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Yeah all of this.
I'm sure they'll fix the R/E/M as fast as they implemented Cait Sith and Atomos for Summoner.