Whats the point of a double xp weekend if it doesnt affect abyssea or gov?

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Originally Posted by nyheen

you could make almost any kinda of jobs/pt work and get good exp, mana burn pt, rng pts. even full dd whm pts, full nin or thf pts. mnk burns, smn pts pet pts, and many more, just needed to know what mob/camp worked best for the pts.

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Did you ever lfp on SMN DRG or PUP? If so then you must understand why this system is a million times better. Even DRK's etc had their moments when they weren't needed at all. Also all the waiting around pre lvl 70 for a tank or a healer to pop online was annoying! And like what Aeonk said, at 75 it was always waiting for a BRD or RDM. Granted, that was a little bit more common because people lvled brd for the awesome tpburns but still waiting nonetheless. I made all of my parties because my 2nd job was DRG, 3rd was SMN, and I got 9 jobs to 75 before abyssea was even considered. And lastly the game was never "innocent" when it came to power-levelling.... I'm sure SMN burn would come to mind.... This is just another form of whats been around for years, only SE gave up with saying they're against such methods and implemented an official version. Time moves on and things change, you just gotta move with them and accept what they bring you, because you can't go back.

LFPing on thief was pretty bad too. I started as a thief but reached 75 on war just because people invited me more often on that.

My opinions on the entire state of leveling today is something like:

Abyssesa exp is good, although perhaps a tiny bit too fast, this isn't really a very important issue. I don't think exp leeching should be possible to the degree it is today. While I don't mind exp being fast, I do think that people should actually input some commands to the game servers while leveling up. However, I don't think it is good for the game's community to change this now, after it's been possible to do this for years.

I also think grounds/fields of valor are a flawed system. Yes, it increases exp gain, but at the same it severely limits people in where they'd want to go to get decent exp, and penaltizes people for even wanting to take a break and leaving the area for a bit, seeing as you lose your rather significant book exp chain and lose a lot of nice buffs. I'd much rather that the F/GoV pages were toned down in exchange for an even higher boost to normal exp per kill.

While I don't think lv30s should be locked out of abyssea, I think perhaps the exp penalty for being severely underleveled in abyssea is too low. However (and this is important), at this point in the game, it is way too late to change this. Changing how abyssea EXP works now will only penaltize new players, who need the exp the most and also haven't even taken advantage of this .. feature? in a very large degree, while it has no effect on most existing players who have boosted all the jobs they want to 99 already. If there is anything this game absolutely doesn't need, it is for new players to spend more time leveling than the people before them.

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Originally Posted by Fishyface

I heard about the double xp event that is coming up soon. My question is what the point of doing this if it doesnt affect the two most popular ways of xping?

Does SE really think people will go out of their way to just xp out of gov or abyssea to do this? Especially since its already incredibly fast to xp to 99?

The only people i can see this helping are those holdouts that just refuse to do gov or step into abyssea (theres a whole ls of them on bahamut so ive met a few)

Just curious.

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Helps newbie players get up there a bit faster. Simple as that.

Because seriously, Abyssea XP right now?

http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/...psb1753d1a.png

Where GoV is "Ridiculous Speed" and oldschool colbiri PT's are merely "Lightspeed". Double what you're talking about, and we'd frickin' go to plaid.

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Originally Posted by Siviard

This, right here, is the reason why making Abyssea available at Lv. 30 was one of the absolute worst mistakes made by the FFXI Development Team.

And although Grounds of Valor was a terrific idea "in theory", it unfortunately is being massively exploited by players for gil, which unfortunately, includes RMT activity.

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GoV is about the "break point" for reasonable exp gain. Abyssea takes that into insanity mode by oldschool standards, and yeah- level 30 minimum for a zone where any level 30 would be devoured whole in seconds by the average expansion area mob was the dumbest move in the history of FFXI. And I've been playing for a decade. Bar none.

If Abyssea hadn't utterly overdone it for 30+ exp gain, this would actually have been meaningful for 1-75, at least. Abyssea should have been 75+ from day one, and that it's stayed a leech zone for the entire midpoint of the game is one of the glaring flaws to date. Seal it off and get people actually playing somewhere else for once.

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Originally Posted by Calatilla

Gov isn't reserved for 18-man alliances, i'm sure there are plenty of people who do low man Gov pages.

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I regularly do 4-24 for jobs in Dangruf Wadi. Easy leveling, the money's good, and I actually skill up in the process- and when I hit 24, I just go slap on an Emp. Ring charge and rampage on steroi-I mean Prowesses on lizards for 25th and some more shots at brown caskets.

Yay, Field Rope (and tons of 9K hi-elixirs, 20K adman ores, etc etc).

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Originally Posted by Mirage

Abyssesa exp is good, although perhaps a tiny bit too fast, this isn't really a very important issue. I don't think exp leeching should be possible to the degree it is today. While I don't mind exp being fast, I do think that people should actually input some commands to the game servers while leveling up. However, I don't think it is good for the game's community to change this now, after it's been possible to do this for years.

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It'd have been good- for 75-99. It's idiot mode for people who can't even hit the mobs in question for more than a long string of zeroes, which is what they managed to do the second they made the expansions 30+ to access. And all it does now is sit there as an embarassing example of what NOT to do with FFXI. Close it off. The only whiners will be people who leeched their jobs 30-99 in fell cleave parties, and *gasp* people will move to doing GoV from 15-75 instead of 15-30, meaning that amazingly, large portions of the game will actually get PLAYED IN once again.

Heaven help us that we'd actually want to go somewhere and play that isn't an alternate dimension, right?

No, rustic. Those "whiners" who leeched their jobs 30-99 already won't care. They will mostly be unaffected by this change, unless they want to start a new character/mule, so why should they be whining? It'll affect new players, not old/current players, and that's why it makes little sense to change it at this point of the game's life.

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Originally Posted by Mirage

No, rustic. Those "whiners" who leeched their jobs 30-99 already won't care. They will mostly be unaffected by this change, unless they want to start a new character/mule, so why should they be whining? It'll affect new players, not old/current players, and that's why it makes little sense to change it at this point of the game's life.

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Except, y'know it'd happen to revive the midgame instead of making it 1-10,10-30, leech 30-99.

I know, that'd be a horrible thing to inflict on new players. Actually not being encouraged to AFK and having to hit buttons and go places to level up, maybe even seeing their combat and magic skills improve.

It would be terrible for new players because the vast majority of the server have all jobs 99 or at least all jobs they want to take to 99 already there. There would be even less people LFP than there were back in the 75 days which back then was abysmal. SE would never be able to tempt new players in because even if they do manage to get new players they wouldn't get past lvl 50 within a few months and in a game where most of the fun comes from endgame, they wouldn't have much reason to stay playing. It was one of the major problems SE faced pre-abyssea and post-abyssea is going to be even worse.

Go back to the idea proposed in the f2p thread and make the free trial unlimited. A bunch of players capped at 30 and with no access to Abyssea regardless gives you a pool for low-to-mid level content.

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Originally Posted by Rustic

Except, y'know it'd happen to revive the midgame instead of making it 1-10,10-30, leech 30-99.

I know, that'd be a horrible thing to inflict on new players. Actually not being encouraged to AFK and having to hit buttons and go places to level up, maybe even seeing their combat and magic skills improve.

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I don't think it would. New players don't leech from 30-99 anyway. Unless of course someone else is filling their pockets with gil.

I don't get people are talking about how this might change the status quo in the game when it's only going to last like 5 days. I'd buy the "it'd get people to go outside Abyssea to xp" thrust of it if this was a lasting change and thus wasn't meant simply as a fun bonus event of sorts for the playerbase. As that, it fails because it doesn't give bonus to the mainstay way of people exping.

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One could even say, playing a Video game is pure laziness in general. I mean one could totally find something better to do.

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Right, but if you're being lazy IN your lazy activity, you might as well not be doing it.

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I'm calling Paradox! There are no two lazies anywhere that are right or wrong from making each other wronger or righter. Playing a game... Playing a game sitting on the couch... Playing a game sitting on the couch with your feet up etc... (The never-ending lazier meter! "You" are lazy or not lazy.)

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Originally Posted by sc4500

From what i understood the double EXP is from the campaign fights in wotg only, so you can 16k+ exp fast instead of 8k exp in 5 min and to help unlocked the throne room campaign. and sounds like it a set up for the new expansion. To get people back into wotg stuff. Rumor was going need have all of wotg story done to unlocked some the new expansion stuff.

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No way... ugh... I've got a lot of work to do.. .I'm barely able to get my bearings straight after a year away. :/

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Originally Posted by Mirage

I don't think it would. New players don't leech from 30-99 anyway. Unless of course someone else is filling their pockets with gil.

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Yeah, tends to cost a couple hundred thousand to get from 30 to 99 with just abyssea if I remember correctly.

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Originally Posted by Jaall

It would be terrible for new players because the vast majority of the server have all jobs 99 or at least all jobs they want to take to 99 already there. There would be even less people LFP than there were back in the 75 days which back then was abysmal. SE would never be able to tempt new players in because even if they do manage to get new players they wouldn't get past lvl 50 within a few months and in a game where most of the fun comes from endgame, they wouldn't have much reason to stay playing. It was one of the major problems SE faced pre-abyssea and post-abyssea is going to be even worse.

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The problem of getting players past 50 isn't something Abyssea fixed.

I did 1-50 in less than a month soloing, and that wasn't even doing it at full speed or fully knowing what to do, considering when I left, people were still partying in Valkrum for subjob items and Gusgen was that place where all the RMT miners were botting. FoV/GoV didn't exist at that point.

1-50 with page exp is a fun flow of play, even if you're sitting there constantly battling Easy Prey targets. Abyssea's level of exp gain is totally and completely un-needed prior to 50, and I'd actually say that if it wasn't for the level caps and wanting to do some crafting/other jobs, I'd be a THF 70/DNC 35 hunting down testimonies for my Maat fight right now- less than two months after starting up again.

All it did was tear a huge chunk of the gameplay out in favor of AFKing in alliances while someone higher level than you does all the work. That's abysmal (no pun intended) game design, and Abyssea zones should have been 75+ only ages ago. Seriously, is there a good reason a 30th level character should be able to walk into a zone filled with Dynamis+ level mobs and expect to rack up tons of levels simply by standing in place while his player is busy checking his nostrils for dried boogers?

Saying that "it's too late" is a lot like saying "Aww, people made so much money off blinkers, we should just let them keep going." If it's broke, the sin is in not fixing it sooner, and the compounding insult to that injury is leaving it be simply because it's been broken for so long.

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Originally Posted by Mirage

I don't think it would. New players don't leech from 30-99 anyway. Unless of course someone else is filling their pockets with gil.

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And why not? It doesn't take Gil to do the Genkai quests, and the only real potential barrier is Maat- which is why most "newbie guides" I see aim people towards leeching WHM up first, since you just have to out-heal Maat's damage to win. After that, it's pretty much easymode until the next "Boss fight" level cap break, and bang, there's your newbie in his teal armor set ready to start picking up Abyssea armor left and right anyway, having skipped straight to endgame.

A Teal armor set is...oh, about 75K at most in Gil. I'm guessing a naked level 70 isn't going to have much trouble punching newbie goblins to death for some wild onions to sell for armor money. The barrier to high levels is playing to gain enough experience points- and Abyssea removed that barrier. It was a stupid piece of work on the developer's part, and it remains stupid to this day- basically saying that most of your game system was a mistake and should be ignored in favor of the utterly high-level-centric system we have now.

Of course the game doesn't get newbies. It's hollowed it's experience out in favor of keeping the high level game "crunchy" and the absolute minimum of lower-level play to get people on the exp-o-tron. The worst part is they'd fixed the problem of "too slow" and then proceeded to add a jet engine to the nitrous booster that was FoV/GoV and left the field entirely to go airborne into alternate-dimension wackyness.

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Originally Posted by Rustic

And why not? It doesn't take Gil to do the Genkai quests, and the only real potential barrier is Maat- which is why most "newbie guides" I see aim people towards leeching WHM up first, since you just have to out-heal Maat's damage to win. After that, it's pretty much easymode until the next "Boss fight" level cap break, and bang, there's your newbie in his teal armor set ready to start picking up Abyssea armor left and right anyway, having skipped straight to endgame.

A Teal armor set is...oh, about 75K at most in Gil. I'm guessing a naked level 70 isn't going to have much trouble punching newbie goblins to death for some wild onions to sell for armor money. The barrier to high levels is playing to gain enough experience points- and Abyssea removed that barrier. It was a stupid piece of work on the developer's part, and it remains stupid to this day- basically saying that most of your game system was a mistake and should be ignored in favor of the utterly high-level-centric system we have now.

Of course the game doesn't get newbies. It's hollowed it's experience out in favor of keeping the high level game "crunchy" and the absolute minimum of lower-level play to get people on the exp-o-tron. The worst part is they'd fixed the problem of "too slow" and then proceeded to add a jet engine to the nitrous booster that was FoV/GoV and left the field entirely to go airborne into alternate-dimension wackyness.

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I think she meant most groups charge you to leech. I remember people asking like 30k an hour or some shit.

SE is bad at being good and is horrible at being bad! and both cases SE is always bad at being SE.

Going to grudgingly agree with all the people saying the double-EXP weekend will go virtually unused. People will probably spend an hour or two putting an old EXP party together, realize it's still slow, and go back to the faster methods.

I really wish Abyssea didn't turn out to be as crazy as it is. They should have made the minimum entry level 65 at the very least. It's too late to change it now without pissing off the majority, though. GoV is a good middle ground between the old ways and Abyssea, mainly because you can solo/duo for the same rate as an old party. I just wish this was all they did to boost EXP.

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Originally Posted by Aeonk

Define your interpretation of broken. Because personally I would classify a system where a party of 5 has to wait 3 hours for a RDM or BRD to log on as broken. Or never getting an invite because your job was viewed as inferior to other jobs (remember lolDRG and lolDRK before bird parties?)

Say what you want about abyssea, but it did more than just lower the time required to get a job to max level. It also did away with the chains of only 6 people per party, and only certain jobs can be used in said party to be efficient. It encouraged diversity in party formation with no penalty whatsoever. The more the merrier.

Hell I can go into altepa and carry an alliance of 17 leeches on my BLU, by myself, and make awesome xp per hour. Whereas in the old system, that 1 gimp DD just killed your xp per hour by not killing fast enough, and putting more stress on the healers since the mob lives longer to deal more damage. Or by not having a RDM and using WHM instead, be prepared to sit around for 5 minutes every 2 fights because the WHM needs to chomp a cookie and rest.

Abyssea xp is probably one of the most drastic but necessary changes to the xp format that FFXI has needed since day 1. I miss seeing different parts of the world too (like Lab of Onzozo, Moon, Valley of Sorrows, etc.), but when you've taken 3 jobs to 75, you've already seen all there is to see and just want to be done with it by then.

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if thats your term for broken then the system now is far more broken than it ever was... no one even put's their flag up (rarely) for an xp pty because people after level 30 are so sparse or they are out doing FoV in other places.

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Originally Posted by Umichi

if thats your term for broken then the system now is far more broken than it ever was... no one even put's their flag up (rarely) for an xp pty because people after level 30 are so sparse or they are out doing FoV in other places.

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People no longer need to put their flag up, if you go to the party location, and join. Gusgen, Crawlers, La Thein Worms, all of these are just that, a party of 18 people where at any time you can go there and wait for an invite, you will be invited quickly unless it is full, if so, simply wait, there are 18 people, high chance someone will have to leave not to long after you get there.

See, before that was never the case, before you had your flag up for hours because you could not get a party, now, you get parties without even having to put up your flag for more than 5 minutes, that is an upgrade, not broken.

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Originally Posted by Horadrim

I think she meant most groups charge you to leech. I remember people asking like 30k an hour or some shit.

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I walked into Abyssea-La Theine on my first traverser stone.

I got sent two invites 15 minutes in before I'd even crossed the ward. No money asked for. (Mind you, I didn't do it- I was on THF and level capped at 50 at the time).

It's that easy.

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

People no longer need to put their flag up, if you go to the party location, and join. Gusgen, Crawlers, La Thein Worms, all of these are just that, a party of 18 people where at any time you can go there and wait for an invite, you will be invited quickly unless it is full, if so, simply wait, there are 18 people, high chance someone will have to leave not to long after you get there.

See, before that was never the case, before you had your flag up for hours because you could not get a party, now, you get parties without even having to put up your flag for more than 5 minutes, that is an upgrade, not broken.

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but guess what?. around the past it was lot more people looking for pt low/mid lvl. that was able to start up any kinda type of pts set up. if someone just wanna sit and be lazy waiting 8 hours for an invite then it the person fault. if you wanna do a mission,CoP, etc do you sit hours and hours for the person /sh or you do the /sh?. same goes for looking for a job. i go shouting, calling people etc not sit in the basement wishing i get lucky someone call me for a job interview that i never even put a job application for

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Originally Posted by nyheen

if you wanna do a mission,CoP, etc do you sit hours and hours for the person /sh or you do the /sh?.

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Depends on whether I personally want to deal with the responsibility (and stress) of finding the exactly correct combination of jobs that those missions "required." I may have gotten through CoP "the wrong way," but my personal anecdotes are more about shear force of will and my imposing that will upon others*; consistent wins for the playerbase at large meant following Prescribed Party Build #B-43-IV (RNG and at least two SMNs required).

EXP builds were more forgiving than CoP (e. g. you could substitute a RDM for a BRD in a pinch), but still required specific abilities from specific jobs in order to get any traction; the specific jobs were often popular to invite but not popular to play.

* And not even I particularly enjoyed being that bossy.

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not sit in the basement wishing i get lucky someone call me for a job interview that i never even put a job application for

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Nice metaphor, except what we're talking about here is sending out job applications versus starting your own fucking business.

all I know we got team and alliance set up at lv 1's and going run kill everything to jueno hope get to 30 buy time get there. fun times on it way lol

wow.... quick too complain are we .. your end game content is already Way Over Powered stop griping

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Originally Posted by Umichi

if thats your term for broken then the system now is far more broken than it ever was... no one even put's their flag up (rarely) for an xp pty because people after level 30 are so sparse or they are out doing FoV in other places.

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Actually, that means the system is less broken- because those people that could never get a party before are able to level up now. I'd rather have a non-traditional experience if it means I can actually level up and play the game.

My character is a Galka and I wanted to play summoner when i first started playing, after seeing someone run around with Titan in the dunes. I was ridiculed constantly both for wanting to play the job at all and because I wanted to play a mage job as a Galka. Shit like that doesn't happen anymore. I can join merit groups in any job I want and nobody cares. For me, things are way better now than they were before.

Less Challenging means Less Caring , whats he is trying too say is , he likes that they ruins FFXI by making
A: rich players even more rich
B: Ignoring the Crafting System inorder too produce addons too sell for Money too help Rebuild FF14
C: Ruined the Start Game content by Puting Manuals on every map , and Not limiting how many uses per day ..
D: you want money? go to aby , o wait it says lvl 30 min , but the real minimum is 75 , o crap almost forgot it cost more real $

by effectivly pumping money into the game but only for those who purchase the content too be able to go get it .
they ruined it for anyone who dont have the addon

O wow grats your lvl 30 , yeah don't bother buying anything but a new weapon ...
O hay that ones too exspensive by this one 5K instead it has less attack and isnt as useful but hay .. your only gonna use it for an hour anyway . on to the next set ....

in essence... i spend more of my time TRYING TO BUY STUFF FOR MY LVL THAT ISNT WORTHLESS PIECES OF CRAP
then i do Leveling my Chars...

wow.. great game now.,.

Yeah that is kind of dumb. I've mentioned it for SE before but they seem to not care.

They dont need to add double xp to those areas, and let me tell you why.

The last xp weekend, people showed up to those areas so heavily that I couldnt find a party to xp in those areas.

I'm glad the word is out that it does not apply to those areas, so that I can actually find a xp group in those areas again.