Discussion Involving All Pet Jobs

At 99, I expect my Wyvern to grow some balls and be a big dragon instead of a rat with wings. I thought it was kind of cool years ago when I started levelling Dragoon, but surely over the many years, you would think my Wyvern would grow a little and become a little more badarse.

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Originally Posted by Alderin

At 99, I expect my Wyvern to grow some balls and be a big dragon instead of a rat with wings. I thought it was kind of cool years ago when I started levelling Dragoon, but surely over the many years, you would think my Wyvern would grow a little and become a little more badarse.

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Different color pallete would be nice as well. why are they all blue?

I just want to throw this out for aging knowledge. You know it's been almost 200 Vana'diel years since the game released? Our players should be dried up old carcasses, galkan players should be the only ones able to keep living cuz of their no genital reproduction system, and our wyverns should have grown up at least to drake size or more, ripping those galkas' heads off as they run through Kuftal Tunnel.

They should just get rid of the blood pact rage and ward cooldowns and give each individual ability its own personal cooldown. With a perpetuation cost and a fairly expensive MP cost for spells, summoners are already limited quite enough. Or lower the cap on blood pact ability delay. A minimum of 45 seconds is still crazy.

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Originally Posted by Zyeriis

Different color pallete would be nice as well. why are they all blue?

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Yep that works too.

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Originally Posted by Rennix

If drg is a pet job I guess every other job is a pet job cause they can summon an adventuring fellow.

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My word you're dense. Are you aware that DRGs can summon Wyverns AND their adventuring fellows at the same time? Does this make DRG a double pet job? Your logic is incredibly flawed. Please, for your own sake, stop posting.

Thanks.

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Originally Posted by JagerForrester

I just want to throw this out for aging knowledge. You know it's been almost 200 Vana'diel years since the game released? Our players should be dried up old carcasses, galkan players should be the only ones able to keep living cuz of their no genital reproduction system, and our wyverns should have grown up at least to drake size or more, ripping those galkas' heads off as they run through Kuftal Tunnel.

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We're all clearly immortal disregarding that, even if we die, we can always consciously and magically return to a home point crystal :D despite being "knocked out" or dead, which ever floats your boat, because if we can only be "knocked out", then we truly are....immortal. The death spell is also, non-permanent :D

Rennix obviously has DRG at lvl 1.

You control your wyvern pre-lvl90 by support jobs - timed casting to trigger healing breath, as well as WS's for elemental.
You have to keep your pet alive, using spirit link.

Not to mention DRG's DoT drastically decreases if you don't have a pet, since your pet does about 1/2 your normal melee damage.

Not to mention all the commands associated with your wyvern are under /pet.

Level your Dragoon beyond 10 and I will begin listening to your opinions on DRG.

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Originally Posted by Alderin

Rennix obviously has DRG at lvl 1.

You control your wyvern pre-lvl90 by support jobs - timed casting to trigger healing breath, as well as WS's for elemental.
You have to keep your pet alive, using spirit link.

Not to mention DRG's DoT drastically decreases if you don't have a pet, since your pet does about 1/2 your normal melee damage.

Not to mention all the commands associated with your wyvern are under /pet.

Level your Dragoon beyond 10 and I will begin listening to your opinions on DRG.

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No pet jobs have to use a sub to control their pets, and this is why it falls into more of the catagory of adventuring fellow. You can change their job but you don't really have much control with that they attack and they cant attack on their own. I see the the flying rat more as a glorified adventuring fellow more then a pet you can control freely. My drg is 32 ^,^ so your level 1 argument is kinda mute.

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Originally Posted by Dauntless

My word you're dense. Are you aware that DRGs can summon Wyverns AND their adventuring fellows at the same time? Does this make DRG a double pet job? Your logic is incredibly flawed. Please, for your own sake, stop posting.

Thanks.

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lol you dont see me calling you names, but that's ok I dont get butt hurt when people add thier opions. And no you wouldnt be a double pet job cause drg isnt a pet job to begin with. Honestly in a pet burn pt you dont see drgs. In pet LS you dont see drgs or people shouting for drgs to join them.

Brd can have a pet and a npc and we dont call them a pet job.

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Originally Posted by Rennix

No pet jobs have to use a sub to control their pets, and this is why it falls into more of the catagory of adventuring fellow. You can change their job but you don't really have much control with that they attack and they cant attack on their own. I see the the flying rat more as a glorified adventuring fellow more then a pet you can control freely. My drg is 32 ^,^ so your level 1 argument is kinda mute.




lol you dont see me calling you names, but that's ok I dont get butt hurt when people add thier opions. And no you wouldnt be a double pet job cause drg isnt a pet job to begin with. Honestly in a pet burn pt you dont see drgs. In pet LS you dont see drgs or people shouting for drgs to join them.

Brd can have a pet and a npc and we dont call them a pet job.

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Problem is you're not adding your opinion (I hope. If you are... that's just sad), you're simply trolling.

Please don't assume that you know facts. I'm familiar with PLENTY of pet LS's that recruit DRGs whether it's for high DPS, healing, or temp tanking. Again, none of this would be possible without our Wyverns.

Your argument that DRGs are not pet jobs because we can't control our Wyvern is moot. Adventuring fellows cast buffs/heals of their own accord, we have no control over it. For DRGs we can use smiting or Healing breaths to heal/use an attack whenever we want. Not to mention that our 2hr is completely dependent upon our PET. Please give me a list of jobs who's 2hrs is based upon their adventuring fellows.

Right. There are none.

Keep in mind that our strongest job abilities (Soul and Spirit jumps) are completely contingent upon our wyverns to be decent in effectiveness.

Simply because DRG is COMPLETELY dependent upon their Wyverns does not mean that it isn't a pet job. We control what our Wyverns do whether it's directly (Smiting breath, Healing Breath) or indirectly (Weaponskilling, casting a spell below a certain amount of HP, using Super jump)

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Originally Posted by Dauntless

Problem is you're not adding your opinion (I hope. If you are... that's just sad), you're simply trolling.

Please don't assume that you know facts. I'm familiar with PLENTY of pet LS's that recruit DRGs whether it's for high DPS, healing, or temp tanking. Again, none of this would be possible without our Wyverns.

Your argument that DRGs are not pet jobs because we can't control our Wyvern is moot. Adventuring fellows cast buffs/heals of their own accord, we have no control over it. For DRGs we can use smiting or Healing breaths to heal/use an attack whenever we want. Not to mention that our 2hr is completely dependent upon our PET. Please give me a list of jobs who's 2hrs is based upon their adventuring fellows.

Right. There are none.

Keep in mind that our strongest job abilities (Soul and Spirit jumps) are completely contingent upon our wyverns to be decent in effectiveness.

Simply because DRG is COMPLETELY dependent upon their Wyverns does not mean that it isn't a pet job. We control what our Wyverns do whether it's directly (Smiting breath, Healing Breath) or indirectly (Weaponskilling, casting a spell below a certain amount of HP, using Super jump)

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By no means am i trolling :) . Im just throwing my 2 cents out there and backing up what im saying is all, unlike some of these other post here that give no sound counter argumnet and have to resort to belittling the other posters opions or comments with name calling or the "no your wrong and I'm right" with no opion of their own.

So thanks for replying with a sound argument.

Moving on ^^,

As for Pet LS recruiting drgs, that's new to me cause most LS of the type use the throw a pet at the mob till it dies method to kill things, and I dont really see how drg fits into that setup. maybe there is stratagy where a drg can tank somehow but wouldnt a pld or nin be more suited if a tank is absolutly need? Sorry i dont have much experience with drg tanks and i havent seen many tank. Besides if you stagger the pets you dont really need a tank in most cases.

Your second paragraph comes back to my glorified adventuring fellow statement. The drg 2hr doesnt do anything to enhance the pet but yourself unlike smn bst and pup where their 2hr ability enhances their pets. Its more of a Ima eatchu to make me poke harder sort of thing. Soul Jump and Spirit Jump can both be used without the wyvrn present unlike smn bst and pup witch have to have thier pets present to use their abilities. So the wyvrn is there to cheer you on so you hit harder and attack like an adventuring fellow. With the adition of being able to control your breath attacks now is where the glorified is coming from.

So you are not 100% dependent on your flying friend unlike pup bst and smn who with out their pets are pretty much usless. Sure we can poke things with our weapons, not as good as a drg, all our abilities go down the hole, but drgs doesnt. This furthers the fact that its more of an upped Adventuring fellow compared to a pet.

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Originally Posted by Rennix

By no means am i trolling :) . Im just throwing my 2 cents out there and backing up what im saying is all, unlike some of these other post here that give no sound counter argumnet and have to resort to belittling the other posters opions or comments with name calling or the "no your wrong and I'm right" with no opion of their own.

So thanks for replying with a sound argument.

Moving on ^^,

As for Pet LS recruiting drgs, that's new to me cause most LS of the type use the throw a pet at the mob till it dies method to kill things, and I dont really see how drg fits into that setup. maybe there is stratagy where a drg can tank somehow but wouldnt a pld or nin be more suited if a tank is absolutly need? Sorry i dont have much experience with drg tanks and i havent seen many tank. Besides if you stagger the pets you dont really need a tank in most cases.

Your second paragraph comes back to my glorified adventuring fellow statement. The drg 2hr doesnt do anything to enhance the pet but yourself unlike smn bst and pup where their 2hr ability enhances their pets. Its more of a Ima eatchu to make me poke harder sort of thing. Soul Jump and Spirit Jump can both be used without the wyvrn present unlike smn bst and pup witch have to have thier pets present to use their abilities. So the wyvrn is there to cheer you on so you hit harder and attack like an adventuring fellow. With the adition of being able to control your breath attacks now is where the glorified is coming from.

So you are not 100% dependent on your flying friend unlike pup bst and smn who with out their pets are pretty much usless. Sure we can poke things with our weapons, not as good as a drg, all our abilities go down the hole, but drgs doesnt. This furthers the fact that its more of an upped Adventuring fellow compared to a pet.

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DRG has the ability to draw hate from a pet that is about to die, or from the beastmaster themselves, giving the beastmaster time to bring out another pet (or whatever), then super jump to remove enmity and have the pet tank again. Paladin cannot do this, nor can ninja.

SMN can be used without it's pet (healing), in other roles in the same sense that Dragoon can be used in other roles, with it's pet. That argument is relatively moot.

The argument revolving around bsts/smns/pups enhancing their pets through their 2hr versus the pet enhancing the drg through it's 2 hour is like arguing that heads and tails aren't both part of a quarter.

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Originally Posted by Zyeriis

DRG has the ability to draw hate from a pet that is about to die, or from the beastmaster themselves, giving the beastmaster time to bring out another pet (or whatever), then super jump to remove enmity and have the pet tank again. Paladin cannot do this, nor can ninja.

SMN can be used without it's pet (healing), in other roles in the same sense that Dragoon can be used in other roles, with it's pet. That argument is relatively moot.

The argument revolving around bsts/smns/pups enhancing their pets through their 2hr versus the pet enhancing the drg through it's 2 hour is like arguing that heads and tails aren't both part of a quarter.

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war thf dnc all have the ability to draw hate. Doesnt make them a pet job.

Smn can only heal because of ist sub job unlike drg witch still has the use of its abilties even without a sub

Still the drgs 2hr doesnt do anything to help their pet. Your heads and tales argument doesnt stand really just because they ocupy the same space doesnt mean they are the same. You can make your son and daughter share the same room, but one is a boy the other a girl. Thus heads is heads and tales is tales, if they were the same everyone would win on a coin flip.

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Originally Posted by Rennix

war thf dnc all have the ability to draw hate. Doesnt make them a pet job.

Smn can only heal because of ist sub job unlike drg witch still has the use of its abilties even without a sub

Still the drgs 2hr doesnt do anything to help their pet. Your heads and tales argument doesnt stand really just because they ocupy the same space doesnt mean they are the same. You can make your son or daughter share the same room, but one is a boy the other a girl. Thus heads is heads and tales is tales, if they were the same everyone would win on a coin flip.

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Did you actually read that :/ Yeah they all have the ability to draw hate, how many of those have the ability to set hate to 0? Thf has enmity transfer abilities, yes but that requires another player, not a pet, it is also a transfer, not a value reset.

Have you even listened to the arguments? Drg does not have access to all it's abilities through the wyvern without certain sub jobs. I believe this was a counter argument to the Drg is a pet-job side. Now it's a counter to the opposite, weird isn't it?

You clearly misunderstood my heads and tails analogy. Each is different, that's the point, but they are still 2 sides of the same coin: pet jobs or pet job 2hrs. I'm saying their both part of the same coin, not that they're the same.

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Originally Posted by Zyeriis

Did you actually read that :/ Yeah they all have the ability to draw hate, how many of those have the ability to set hate to 0? Thf has enmity transfer abilities, yes but that requires another player, not a pet, it is also a transfer, not a value reset.

Have you even listened to the arguments? Drg does not have access to all it's abilities through the wyvern without certain sub jobs. I believe this was a counter argument to the Drg is a pet-job side. Now it's a counter to the opposite, weird isn't it?

You clearly misunderstood my heads and tails analogy. Each is different, that's the point, but they are still 2 sides of the same coin: pet jobs or pet job 2hrs. I'm saying their both part of the same coin, not that they're the same.

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In your previous post you said nothing about reseting it to zero, besides that's comes from the drg not its flying friend. thus is unique to the drg, this still can be used without the flying rat, unlike bst snarl ability with you must have your pet for.

Drg still has most of its abilities, without a sub unlike smn bst or pup that have none they can do without a pet. unless you wanna count feral howl lol, but bst still has control on what its pet can do. DRG can still jump without its friend.

As for the heads and tails thing you can say the same for blm and whm they are both mages but one is a healer and one is a dd. Bst pup smn are pet jobs drg is a job with an extra adventuring fellow. They both have an npc but being able to have full control over it makes it a pet job.

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Originally Posted by Rennix

In your previous post you said nothing about reseting it to zero, besides that's comes from the drg not its flying friend. thus is unique to the drg, this still can be used without the flying rat, unlike bst snarl ability with you must have your pet for.

Drg still has most of its abilities, without a sub unlike smn bst or pup that have none they can do without a pet. unless you wanna count feral howl lol, but bst still has control on what its pet can do. DRG can still jump without its friend.

As for the heads and tails thing you can say the same for blm and whm they are both mages but one is a healer and one is a dd. Bst pup smn are pet jobs drg is a job with an extra adventuring fellow. They both have an npc but being able to have full control over it makes it a pet job.

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Originally Posted by Zyeriis

DRG has the ability to draw hate from a pet that is about to die, or from the beastmaster themselves, giving the beastmaster time to bring out another pet (or whatever), then super jump to remove enmity and have the pet tank again. Paladin cannot do this, nor can ninja.

SMN can be used without it's pet (healing), in other roles in the same sense that Dragoon can be used in other roles, with it's pet. That argument is relatively moot.

The argument revolving around bsts/smns/pups enhancing their pets through their 2hr versus the pet enhancing the drg through it's 2 hour is like arguing that heads and tails aren't both part of a quarter.

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As for the blm/whm thing...exactly? They're both mages...that do the opposite of each other? Your logic here is untraceable.

i'm seeing the most retarded argument yet okfor those who dont think DRG is a pet job comment on the other pet jobs for those that do think DRG is a pet job add something if you feel but giving your point of view that you dont think DRG is a pet job who cares

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Originally Posted by Zyeriis

As for the blm/whm thing...exactly? They're both mages...that do the opposite of each other? Your logic here is untraceable.

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Drg and bst both have npc a bst controls its pet while a drg works with it the best i can. THey both have npc but how they use them is different. Whm and blm both use magic but how they use them are different.

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Originally Posted by Zyeriis

DRG has the ability to draw hate from a pet that is about to die, or from the beastmaster themselves, giving the beastmaster time to bring out another pet (or whatever), then super jump to remove enmity and have the pet tank again.

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Thf has the ability to manipulate hate to away from pets or players giving the bst time to bring out another pet (or whaterver) then they can hide to remove enimity to have the pet tank again. or they can even give it away so the bst can but it back on thier pet.

Rennix, I think it is rather sad that you can spend this much time arguing about something you are wrong on.

It could also be easily solved by just wearing "pet dmg reduction" gear and fighting a cactuar. Not that you'd believe anyone telling you the result.

brd has the ability to control a pet but its not a pet job? damage reduction gear works on it.

Ill give it up now though, since my opinion is wrong, sorry.

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Originally Posted by Rennix

Drg and bst both have npc a bst controls its pet while a drg works with it the best i can. THey both have npc but how they use them is different. Whm and blm both use magic but how they use them are different.



Thf has the ability to manipulate hate to away from pets or players giving the bst time to bring out another pet (or whaterver) then they can hide to remove enimity to have the pet tank again. or they can even give it away so the bst can but it back on thier pet.

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Part 1: yet again, exactly?

Part 2: Thf isn't affected by corsair pet rolls, Drg is, because it's a pet job and has a pet. Thus thf would never get such an invite, as Drg is clearly the superior choice in that situation. If you want to argue that the thf can pull, so can the cor in this situation. Also, last I checked (pre-80 cap update), Thf's hate abilities don't work on pets. Sure, you can transfer hate to the Bst, but that's a horrible idea. Hide, sure, it would work but Dragoon actually has three abilities that shed enmity at this point in time, the two newer one's effects are also increased when you have your wyvern.

Side note: It is possible to manipulate your wyvern regardless of sub job via Super Jump (Wyvern performs Super Climb, allowing it to evade attacks while in the air with you, a form of support), Spirit Link (supports pet by healing it), there's also Smiting breath pet command and the Restoring breath pet command. What more do you need to classify Dragoon as a pet job? A Dimiss pet command...oh wait...has that too.

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Originally Posted by Neisan_Quetz

Blood pact timer should be re-evaluated and whether or not it should remain capped at -15 recast. Don't know why this cap exists in the first place and in my opinion it's just detrimental to smn at this stage in the game. Should at least be lowered.

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play a bard for a bit, then let's discuss recast timers, lol!

Brds are clearly just forgetful musicians. The sad part? They only know one song.

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Originally Posted by Dauntless

On-topic: I don't have extensive experience with any other pet jobs but there are changes I would like to see made to DRG such as Wyvern armor and a decrease of magical/physical damage taken as many mobs AoE often and with a 20 minute recast it's a pain to be Wyvernless for long periods of time since Soul and Spirit jumps rely on our wyvern being out for effectiveness.

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I agree. However, in Abyssea I have had excellent luck with my pets using Aquatic Ardor or Despot Atmas to keep my beast pets out longer, I would assume it works for wyvrens as well. Still, something in the future like a Deus ex Automata for Drg would only be fair. Unfortunately, outside Abyssea you are totally screwed, agreed.

dragoon is what id call a reverse role pet job.

while the other three focus on the pet, in drgs case, the pet focuses on the player. soloing is done by suggestion and not by command.

so, its not a pet job in the sense that your wyvern is kind of weak compared to all other pets. you can bring a bst, a pup, and a smn to the same party and strategize with pets, a drg is excluded. the idea is to play with very little hate on oneself, and throw more tanks at it. which is the reverse on how a drg uses their pet for solo.

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Originally Posted by Nattack

dragoon is what id call a reverse role pet job.

while the other three focus on the pet, in drgs case, the pet focuses on the player. soloing is done by suggestion and not by command.

so, its not a pet job in the sense that your wyvern is kind of weak compared to all other pets. you can bring a bst, a pup, and a smn to the same party and strategize with pets, a drg is excluded. the idea is to play with very little hate on oneself, and throw more tanks at it. which is the reverse on how a drg uses their pet for solo.

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The Wyvern still relies upon the Dragoon in its entirety. It can do absolutely nothing without some form of input from the player be it a weaponskill, job ability, or spell.

obviously?

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Originally Posted by Nattack

obviously?

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Wasn't really disagreeing with you, not fully anyway.
Pup doesn't actually have a lot of control over their pet yet, it's considered a pet job (cause it has a pet that the player is there to support under some people's interpretation). My problem is, that's a matter of play style as the Whm Automaton does the opposite. So when that model is out, PUP is no longer qualified as a "pet job" but rather a "reverse pet job"?

Zyer took the words right off of my keyboard.

The fact is, all of the pet jobs (including drg) have different strengths and weaknesses and pet AI plays a huge part in that. A common complaint for bst is that their pet will switch targets on its own, a wyvern or puppet don't. Smn avatars have crap HP, the other 3 pets are all better at taking hits (although titan can take a pounding... for an avatar). Puppets deal terrific damage without pulling near the hate of jobs they emulate. Any of these can be factored into a proper party build where the focus is to fill holes in the roles of members.

Now, my only capped pet job is beast, I'm leveling pup but it's currently only 26. In Abyssea I'm using all 3 level 75 expansion set pieces (ASA, MKT, ACP) with pet buffs and beast affinity 5/5 merits. It's costing me a fortune in jugs. With Atmas on I haven't found a player yet that can get hate off my pet for more than a couple seconds unless they brew! Unfortunately, my LS rarely targets NMs that drop bst stuff so I haven't been able to get gear that augments me and gets hate (and thus survivability) to reasonable levels. We usually pet burn the tougher NMs with most pets being SMN; I hate bringing my beast to those sessions because I usually end up going through an entire stack of jugs in 1 2hour run since the only way I can heal my pet enough is to flux out since they can never get hate.

I'll get to use the same gear on pup when I reach that level unless I manage to get my full relic ( and might still use those pieces that are better). Some gear that will let me manage things on the hate front by balancing strength between me and my pet would be appreciated.

Okay here's what I thought of...

SMN

Summoner was my first job to 75, I loved it however there were a few things that disappointed me about the job..

1. Carbuncle, Fenrir and Diabolos have NO merit abilities.I'd like to see a Healing Ruby III or maybe a Regainga or something that will make people want to use Carbuncle a little more. I love Fenny, he's my favorite avatar but now all people use is Garuda, she out does every avatar, which sucks. I wouldn't mind seeing him with a higher damage Bite attack that gives you a status effect like Crescent fang. Diabolos. the refresh whore and nothing less. He's got some pretty good debuffs and buffs, but unfortunately has no actual good damage dealing BP moves.

PUP

My second pet job I leveled, I love the job, it's different, It's fun! but the lack in DD gear is killing me, I don't know what SE were thinking when they gave PUPs to wear mage gear and not been able to give us actual DD gear.. I was pretty mad when I couldn't equip a scorpion harness at the right level and still was stick wearing the same old broke down rusted old useless gear until I was able to wear relic.

We need more attachments, I am pretty happy that Automatons get gear and equi[ps of their own but it's not enough, I'd like to see more variety... Like Maybe give one that makes the Sharpshot shoots bloody bolts or acid bolts or something I mean you have Enthunder one why not that?

Fast Cast one, I'd like to see something that enhances Fast Cast of the automaton, it's make things pretty sweet.

Fix their Cure Priority, It's all jacked up. I'm not sure what's going on half the time when my Puppet wants to heal my status effect before curing me, it's ridiculous.

Better AI, this goes with the mage frames still. Mage frames have it to there depending on a enemy's HP is determines the spell it uses, so why not depending on the MASTER, PET and PARTY's HP is depends on what tier of cure it should be using. No need for a Cure VI when I only need 200 HP back.
Also what's up with the BLM frame and him thinking he's low on MP and not wanting to cast nothing but Aspit at like 85% MP when he only Aspirs for like 10 MP? that's stupid.

GIVE US A STAY COMMAND FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!!
Seriously, my WHM and BLM and RDM frame need to stay put. I understand that they stay in a certain maximum range as the mob or master and it tends to fallow but NOT only that but once it has run out of MP or something is too far from it, the pet will engage them and it's frustrating especially against a AOE spamming mob or a mob that casts AOE magic spells or has a annoying aura. Give us a stay command so we can tell it to sit there and like it.

Make the Valor Edge frame worth using again. Since the new updates lately the only frames people ever play anymore are the Soulsoother, Sharpshot and Soulreiver frames. I've been trying to find different atmas and variations to make it more efficient but his tanking skills in abyssea is nothing like how it used to be back in the day with Campaign mobs. When he's up with harder enemies it goes down pretty dang fast. SE said in one of the updates with PUP that they made Valor Edge's frame made to tank like a real live PLD but I just don't see it, maybe he has more HP now but he's not busting out with any cures like a PLD. Give him cures, I don't care if its I, II and cure III. Cannibal blade doesn't cut it anymore, I don't care if he only gets to cure himself, just give him Cure D:

Cirque Animator. Need I say more?


BST
The most recent job I took to 90. I got to say this job is also pretty fun but what's with all the CHR stats on the new AF pieces? Is it for weapon skills or does SE think we will be charming mobs out side of abyssea still?

My real only concern is more jugs, I know we will get more when we hit the next level cap, I am hoping for a better choice in jugs. I miss having a Tank pet CurrierCarrie was a pretty dencent pet but since now her level cap only reaches a certain point she's become useless. I'd love to see a new tank pet, be it a crab, beetle or slime.

Hecteyes jugs, all pet jobs except BST can use magic spells, hecteyes are the only charmable mob out there that can use spells. Gives us a hecteyes pet!

Krakens: Why didn't SE think of giving us a Kraken? They have awesome abilities like Maelstrom and their Regen move, ect and not to mention probably better than the MNK mandragora pets out there doing better damage and attacking fast.

Dermites: the only DRK pets and I gotta say, I loved using Lifedrinkerlars.

Bird jugs I think we are missing bird types from the list.

Opo-Opos Give them the origional TP moves, Dispell, paralyze, and Magic fruit, who could ask for a better versatile pet like an Opo?
Dhamel: Healing Breeze gogo!

I maybe missing something but if I think of something I'll post it. ;)

The one thing I think really needs to happen is for DRG to get a second wyvern summon like Deus ex Automata.

They need to lower the entrance level to 1 in abyssea so I can level up bst without having to gain the 9 levels from 21-30. I only smn burned it from 11-21, and that's where it's stuck.

This is not the thread to post that, there are a million of threads about abyssea for you to talk about leveling your beast. This is a Suggestion thread, I'm surprised you can keep your sig for so long without them taking it down, it's freakishly huge.

The thread is called "Discussion for All Pet Jobs." My bst is a pet job, and I was merely discussing how I would like to gain exp with it. I'm not following your logic here...

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Originally Posted by Ryland

The thread is called "Discussion for All Pet Jobs." My bst is a pet job, and I was merely discussing how I would like to gain exp with it. I'm not following your logic here...

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Your sig is too big.

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Originally Posted by Ryland

The thread is called "Discussion for All Pet Jobs." My bst is a pet job, and I was merely discussing how I would like to gain exp with it. I'm not following your logic here...

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I created the thread. No, you're talking about abyssea, not bst. The suggestion relates to all jobs, and there are threads for talking about abyssea.

Anything you'd like to see FOR bst, like new abilities, jugs, gear, etc?

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Originally Posted by Miera

Okay here's what I thought of...

SMN

Summoner was my first job to 75, I loved it however there were a few things that disappointed me about the job..

1. Carbuncle, Fenrir and Diabolos have NO merit abilities.

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The reason is that 6 is the perfect fit for the merit limitation. You get them all, plus one max.

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Originally Posted by KorPoni

I created the thread. No, you're talking about abyssea, not bst. The suggestion relates to all jobs, and there are threads for talking about abyssea.

Anything you'd like to see FOR bst, like new abilities, jugs, gear, etc?

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As overpowered (or impossible) as it sounds, I'd like to see BST be able to have more than one pet out a time. What kind of beastmaster can only handle one animal at any given time?

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Originally Posted by Zyeriis

As overpowered (or impossible) as it sounds, I'd like to see BST be able to have more than one pet out a time. What kind of beastmaster can only handle one animal at any given time?

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Realy it's a game logistics problem. Pull out BST/SMN and try to have 2.