Discussion Involving All Pet Jobs

[Rennix]

Problem is you're not adding your opinion (I hope. If you are... that's just sad), you're simply trolling.

Please don't assume that you know facts. I'm familiar with PLENTY of pet LS's that recruit DRGs whether it's for high DPS, healing, or temp tanking. Again, none of this would be possible without our Wyverns.

Your argument that DRGs are not pet jobs because we can't control our Wyvern is moot. Adventuring fellows cast buffs/heals of their own accord, we have no control over it. For DRGs we can use smiting or Healing breaths to heal/use an attack whenever we want. Not to mention that our 2hr is completely dependent upon our PET. Please give me a list of jobs who's 2hrs is based upon their adventuring fellows.

Right. There are none.

Keep in mind that our strongest job abilities (Soul and Spirit jumps) are completely contingent upon our wyverns to be decent in effectiveness.

Simply because DRG is COMPLETELY dependent upon their Wyverns does not mean that it isn't a pet job. We control what our Wyverns do whether it's directly (Smiting breath, Healing Breath) or indirectly (Weaponskilling, casting a spell below a certain amount of HP, using Super jump)

By no means am i trolling . Im just throwing my 2 cents out there and backing up what im saying is all, unlike some of these other post here that give no sound counter argumnet and have to resort to belittling the other posters opions or comments with name calling or the "no your wrong and I'm right" with no opion of their own.

So thanks for replying with a sound argument.

Moving on ^^,

As for Pet LS recruiting drgs, that's new to me cause most LS of the type use the throw a pet at the mob till it dies method to kill things, and I dont really see how drg fits into that setup. maybe there is stratagy where a drg can tank somehow but wouldnt a pld or nin be more suited if a tank is absolutly need? Sorry i dont have much experience with drg tanks and i havent seen many tank. Besides if you stagger the pets you dont really need a tank in most cases.

Your second paragraph comes back to my glorified adventuring fellow statement. The drg 2hr doesnt do anything to enhance the pet but yourself unlike smn bst and pup where their 2hr ability enhances their pets. Its more of a Ima eatchu to make me poke harder sort of thing. Soul Jump and Spirit Jump can both be used without the wyvrn present unlike smn bst and pup witch have to have thier pets present to use their abilities. So the wyvrn is there to cheer you on so you hit harder and attack like an adventuring fellow. With the adition of being able to control your breath attacks now is where the glorified is coming from.

So you are not 100% dependent on your flying friend unlike pup bst and smn who with out their pets are pretty much usless. Sure we can poke things with our weapons, not as good as a drg, all our abilities go down the hole, but drgs doesnt. This furthers the fact that its more of an upped Adventuring fellow compared to a pet.

[Zyeriis]

By no means am i trolling . Im just throwing my 2 cents out there and backing up what im saying is all, unlike some of these other post here that give no sound counter argumnet and have to resort to belittling the other posters opions or comments with name calling or the "no your wrong and I'm right" with no opion of their own.

So thanks for replying with a sound argument.

Moving on ^^,

As for Pet LS recruiting drgs, that's new to me cause most LS of the type use the throw a pet at the mob till it dies method to kill things, and I dont really see how drg fits into that setup. maybe there is stratagy where a drg can tank somehow but wouldnt a pld or nin be more suited if a tank is absolutly need? Sorry i dont have much experience with drg tanks and i havent seen many tank. Besides if you stagger the pets you dont really need a tank in most cases.

Your second paragraph comes back to my glorified adventuring fellow statement. The drg 2hr doesnt do anything to enhance the pet but yourself unlike smn bst and pup where their 2hr ability enhances their pets. Its more of a Ima eatchu to make me poke harder sort of thing. Soul Jump and Spirit Jump can both be used without the wyvrn present unlike smn bst and pup witch have to have thier pets present to use their abilities. So the wyvrn is there to cheer you on so you hit harder and attack like an adventuring fellow. With the adition of being able to control your breath attacks now is where the glorified is coming from.

So you are not 100% dependent on your flying friend unlike pup bst and smn who with out their pets are pretty much usless. Sure we can poke things with our weapons, not as good as a drg, all our abilities go down the hole, but drgs doesnt. This furthers the fact that its more of an upped Adventuring fellow compared to a pet.

DRG has the ability to draw hate from a pet that is about to die, or from the beastmaster themselves, giving the beastmaster time to bring out another pet (or whatever), then super jump to remove enmity and have the pet tank again. Paladin cannot do this, nor can ninja.

SMN can be used without it's pet (healing), in other roles in the same sense that Dragoon can be used in other roles, with it's pet. That argument is relatively moot.

The argument revolving around bsts/smns/pups enhancing their pets through their 2hr versus the pet enhancing the drg through it's 2 hour is like arguing that heads and tails aren't both part of a quarter.

[Rennix]

DRG has the ability to draw hate from a pet that is about to die, or from the beastmaster themselves, giving the beastmaster time to bring out another pet (or whatever), then super jump to remove enmity and have the pet tank again. Paladin cannot do this, nor can ninja.

SMN can be used without it's pet (healing), in other roles in the same sense that Dragoon can be used in other roles, with it's pet. That argument is relatively moot.

The argument revolving around bsts/smns/pups enhancing their pets through their 2hr versus the pet enhancing the drg through it's 2 hour is like arguing that heads and tails aren't both part of a quarter.

war thf dnc all have the ability to draw hate. Doesnt make them a pet job.

Smn can only heal because of ist sub job unlike drg witch still has the use of its abilties even without a sub

Still the drgs 2hr doesnt do anything to help their pet. Your heads and tales argument doesnt stand really just because they ocupy the same space doesnt mean they are the same. You can make your son and daughter share the same room, but one is a boy the other a girl. Thus heads is heads and tales is tales, if they were the same everyone would win on a coin flip.

[Zyeriis]

war thf dnc all have the ability to draw hate. Doesnt make them a pet job.

Smn can only heal because of ist sub job unlike drg witch still has the use of its abilties even without a sub

Still the drgs 2hr doesnt do anything to help their pet. Your heads and tales argument doesnt stand really just because they ocupy the same space doesnt mean they are the same. You can make your son or daughter share the same room, but one is a boy the other a girl. Thus heads is heads and tales is tales, if they were the same everyone would win on a coin flip.

Did you actually read that :/ Yeah they all have the ability to draw hate, how many of those have the ability to set hate to 0? Thf has enmity transfer abilities, yes but that requires another player, not a pet, it is also a transfer, not a value reset.

Have you even listened to the arguments? Drg does not have access to all it's abilities through the wyvern without certain sub jobs. I believe this was a counter argument to the Drg is a pet-job side. Now it's a counter to the opposite, weird isn't it?

You clearly misunderstood my heads and tails analogy. Each is different, that's the point, but they are still 2 sides of the same coin: pet jobs or pet job 2hrs. I'm saying their both part of the same coin, not that they're the same.

[Rennix]

Did you actually read that :/ Yeah they all have the ability to draw hate, how many of those have the ability to set hate to 0? Thf has enmity transfer abilities, yes but that requires another player, not a pet, it is also a transfer, not a value reset.

Have you even listened to the arguments? Drg does not have access to all it's abilities through the wyvern without certain sub jobs. I believe this was a counter argument to the Drg is a pet-job side. Now it's a counter to the opposite, weird isn't it?

You clearly misunderstood my heads and tails analogy. Each is different, that's the point, but they are still 2 sides of the same coin: pet jobs or pet job 2hrs. I'm saying their both part of the same coin, not that they're the same.

In your previous post you said nothing about reseting it to zero, besides that's comes from the drg not its flying friend. thus is unique to the drg, this still can be used without the flying rat, unlike bst snarl ability with you must have your pet for.

Drg still has most of its abilities, without a sub unlike smn bst or pup that have none they can do without a pet. unless you wanna count feral howl lol, but bst still has control on what its pet can do. DRG can still jump without its friend.

As for the heads and tails thing you can say the same for blm and whm they are both mages but one is a healer and one is a dd. Bst pup smn are pet jobs drg is a job with an extra adventuring fellow. They both have an npc but being able to have full control over it makes it a pet job.

[Zyeriis]

In your previous post you said nothing about reseting it to zero, besides that's comes from the drg not its flying friend. thus is unique to the drg, this still can be used without the flying rat, unlike bst snarl ability with you must have your pet for.

Drg still has most of its abilities, without a sub unlike smn bst or pup that have none they can do without a pet. unless you wanna count feral howl lol, but bst still has control on what its pet can do. DRG can still jump without its friend.

As for the heads and tails thing you can say the same for blm and whm they are both mages but one is a healer and one is a dd. Bst pup smn are pet jobs drg is a job with an extra adventuring fellow. They both have an npc but being able to have full control over it makes it a pet job.

DRG has the ability to draw hate from a pet that is about to die, or from the beastmaster themselves, giving the beastmaster time to bring out another pet (or whatever), then super jump to remove enmity and have the pet tank again. Paladin cannot do this, nor can ninja.

SMN can be used without it's pet (healing), in other roles in the same sense that Dragoon can be used in other roles, with it's pet. That argument is relatively moot.

The argument revolving around bsts/smns/pups enhancing their pets through their 2hr versus the pet enhancing the drg through it's 2 hour is like arguing that heads and tails aren't both part of a quarter.

As for the blm/whm thing...exactly? They're both mages...that do the opposite of each other? Your logic here is untraceable.

[Ezikiel]

i'm seeing the most retarded argument yet okfor those who dont think DRG is a pet job comment on the other pet jobs for those that do think DRG is a pet job add something if you feel but giving your point of view that you dont think DRG is a pet job who cares

[Rennix]

As for the blm/whm thing...exactly? They're both mages...that do the opposite of each other? Your logic here is untraceable.

Drg and bst both have npc a bst controls its pet while a drg works with it the best i can. THey both have npc but how they use them is different. Whm and blm both use magic but how they use them are different.

DRG has the ability to draw hate from a pet that is about to die, or from the beastmaster themselves, giving the beastmaster time to bring out another pet (or whatever), then super jump to remove enmity and have the pet tank again.

Thf has the ability to manipulate hate to away from pets or players giving the bst time to bring out another pet (or whaterver) then they can hide to remove enimity to have the pet tank again. or they can even give it away so the bst can but it back on thier pet.

[Malamasala]

Rennix, I think it is rather sad that you can spend this much time arguing about something you are wrong on.

It could also be easily solved by just wearing "pet dmg reduction" gear and fighting a cactuar. Not that you'd believe anyone telling you the result.

[Rennix]

brd has the ability to control a pet but its not a pet job? damage reduction gear works on it.

Ill give it up now though, since my opinion is wrong, sorry.