Windurst region fix.

you know i used to think this forums were a good idea now not so much.

there is oh-most no topic that is not derailed by comments against the TC or another poster by players that dislike them and feal the knead to insult or call out that poster every time they post. and when sum one calls them on it you get a response of "i have to call him/her out because he/she is giving bad info. hath the time the person being insulted has not even said anything wrong.

yes yes i know its a internet forum and that's how mmo forums are but my point is its a sad day when posters have to rezolt to insults to one another raver then just staying out of the topic. if you don't agree with the poster or if you do disagree state why and leave the insults and snide comments out as much as you can.

i come to this forums to talk about FF XI or read posters talk about FF XI not lisin to 200 page long topics about how one player is a noob because of how they play or why players that do or don't use aby are noobs.

now i am starting to think the best thing SE could do is shut down the forums and just do-what they want as it seams at this point the topics just are a pile of venom.

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Originally Posted by RAIST

Making headlines, from the wiki:
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Seems pretty self-explanatory....either you snk/inv yourself, you bring someone who can do it for you, or you get oils/powders either by buying them or have someone make them.

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No RAIST, that's not the full story. Sneak and invisible wear off when you interact with objects such as the Mahogany Door, which means that once the cut scene ends, you die due to the proximity of the mobs to the door. I'm sorry, but there's no legitimate excuse to force a character to die in order to complete a low level quest. I remember how it was before the change, and it was never a guaranteed death before, regardless of level. The goblins that used to be in the area were far enough away from the door to be avoided.

Sure, it's not a major issue, and I don't want SE to devote time to it if it means they can't fix more important things... but there's no reason to defend the poor design decision here.

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Originally Posted by katiekat

you know i used to think this forums were a good idea now not so much.

there is oh-most no topic that is not derailed by comments against the TC or another poster by players that dislike them and feal the knead to insult or call out that poster every time they post. and when sum one calls them on it you get a response of "i have to call him/her out because he/she is giving bad info. hath the time the person being insulted has not even said anything wrong.

yes yes i know its a internet forum and that's how mmo forums are but my point is its a sad day when posters have to rezolt to insults to one another raver then just staying out of the topic. if you don't agree with the poster or if you do disagree state why and leave the insults and snide comments out as much as you can.

i come to this forums to talk about FF XI or read posters talk about FF XI not lisin to 200 page long topics about how one player is a noob because of how they play or why players that do or don't use aby are noobs.

now i am starting to think the best thing SE could do is shut down the forums and just do-what they want as it seams at this point the topics just are a pile of venom.

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Not only that but SE ignores us alot as well. We make ideas and suggestions, give feedback, and alot of the time we get told its impossible and cant be done for blah blah reason or its against their ideas/design.

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

Not only that but SE ignores us alot as well. We make ideas and suggestions, give feedback, and alot of the time we get told its impossible and cant be done for blah blah reason or its against their ideas/design.

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hate to be the bringer of bad news, but.... most ideas people make are beyond the algorythems(sp?) of how pc programing works, or so big SE can't simply do it. The devs know the game code best. But they do for the most part listen... but itsn't some some conspiricy if they can't do the idea.

all we can do is propose suggestions, but with this community it is hard to really SEE the suggestion... cuz what happens is ppl attack each other trying to discredit the poster just to feel good about themselves cuz its "cool" to pick on someone you don't know. And some suggestion are poorly made as in the suggestion itself attacks a group of players.

anyway thats my 2 cents. If my suggestion gets used or not idc... I said my peace put the best case for my idea.

They have told us they can not do things that players have already done with programs like Windower. I refuse to believe that a group of people can do something on the game more than the company who made it. It just seems more likely they don't want to do it because they think it will create chaos or it goes against what they were going to do.

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They have told us they can not do things that players have already done with programs like Windower. I refuse to believe that a group of people can do something on the game more than the company who made it. It just seems more likely they don't want to do it because they think it will create chaos or it goes against what they were going to do.

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because its a bit different... windower is a third party tool yes? And you can run add-ons through said tool yes? It's different between running an addon on with a game then having it intergrated in the actual games code work. SE know the code and frame work best. They know what limits they have. And it is their game, they have the final say. Being upset over the fact they can't do or do not want to do certain things is a tad silly. It is just a game. But please keep on topic... there is alreafy a conspiricy thoery thread. Post you concerns there not here.

OK.. so many to respond too... where to start....

@ Rosina
You keep ignoring the fact that in addition to them adding the higher level mobs in the areas once populated with lower level monsters, they've also restructured things elswhere to offset the loss. There are new paths to take for leveling at those levels in question. Again, if you would take the time to review the FoV/GoV lists, you could discern a new pattern to follow, and would notice that you can actually level without having to run as far away as you had in the past. As I mentioned previously, you can now break into the 20's close to home nations now---in the past, you ran to dunes/quifm to do this. The game has evolved, and exp has simply become much easier....it sounds more and more like you are just resistant to the new changes because you are stuck somewhere in 2006 or something, IDK. But exping up to level 30 is NOT a problem in this game anymore, probably for a reason--ie: Abyssea, perhaps?

And no, I'm not a Scrooge. I'm just more practical I guess. When a person can now follow a simpler path and get their levels without having to run all over the map now....I generally see that as a good thing. Initially, I was skeptical of the faster leveling and had my concerns, but have generally accepted this is the direction the game is now taking, and that most players have embraced it. What's done is done, and will not likely be undone--adapt and move forward.

The game has simply changed a lot in recent years, there are alternative ways to get things done now. Sometimes, you may have to think outside of the box....like those before us did in 2004. If anything, this opens new opportunities to try new strategies....should be refreshing if you truly are an adventurer at heart. For the most part, you can continue with the older playstyles if you so choose, just might have to change some areas up a bit....but there is still a path.It sounds more like you are just resistant to these changes because it is a change....and you don't like change? IDK. You pointed out specific areas/events that were now locked out, I looked them up, checked them out...and showed you how they can still be done....and you still rebutted against it, even after being shown it is still doable--guess you just don't like that you may have to approach it differently, even though it is still doable under basically the same conditions as before. Cae in point:

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I don't follow most leveling guides though helpful its based off the fact the person has a max cap already. And some suggestion are not good for a fresh character.

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Regardless if it is a level 99 character or a level one character---the same criteria are used for looking these up: the level of the targets in the camps. If the mobs are the right level for fighting at the desired character level, and are decent mobs to fight based on their TP moves, magic, aggro/linking traits, etc. .... they are viable lists to be considered. Maybe this is more of that resistance to change kicking in, IDK. But a lot of those guides have been vetted and used by many. If you aren't willing to follow them, that is your choice....but don't act like you have no recourse to accomplish a goal when valid plans have been laid out for you that would allow you to complete them and you simply choose not to follow one. It was your choice to buck the system and take the path less trodden....more difficulties should be expected, as people tend to follow the path of least resistance for a reason.

@ Xantavia and Cointinuity
Yes, I agree the mobs are higher and that poses a different threat leve....but the base threat of a death is still the same. As stated earlier, in the past you would have still gathered up a group to help you. The only thing different is that you may need characters of a different caliber in some of those areas. But, for the most part, this is not the case. As in the examples set forth to me....the mobs were still the same level as before: a level 10 cap on the quest, mobs still ran up to level 12 or 16 in certain spots. The higher level targets were in a completely different section of the map. In another example, the level appropriate mobs were just restricted to one section of the map now, and you are not even under threat at all from the higher level targets--the lower level ones are right there where you zone in.

This has become a common issue with this key poster in this debate session. A challenge is set forth, or examples of an issue are put forth. Once those have been dispelled, the name calling begins. Notice that the topic quickly strayed from the topic in debate, and has now become personal. But that is another issue...back to the topic.

Yes.. Sneak/inv can wear in route and has to be recast--that has always been an issue, but remember, they did tweak them so they stay up longer now. And, yes, they may have to be taken down or wear when taking the final steps for a quest/mission, rendering a player susceptible to aggro from nasty critters. This is often why we would always ask for assistance from level appropriate friends if we couldn't manage it on our own. This is nothing new. There is a loooong list of events where this is a problem.

The bigger point is these issues have always been there, probably always will be. IDK how many times I've had to hide in a corner, waiting for the right opportunity to pop a chest, or click a door when mobs weren't looking at me, hoping and praying my warp scroll would fire before they broke through my Blink/SS or Phalanx/Shadows and killed me. This is NOTHING NEW. The only difference is that now, it may require higher level help than it may have in the past for a few isolated situations. If a player does not have a decent group of friends to pull from for this kind of assistance, then that is a problem....but not necessarily a problem with the game design. If they are 99 and don't want to help them with an area that has level 85 mobs, what makes you think they would react differently if they were level 16 mobs? Or vice versa? If they are not the type of "friends" willing to help a person in need, they simply aren't going to help you. That is a completely different animal than mob layout in a zone.

And lol at forcing a character to die to complete a quest. This is also nothing new. It's a common tactic in a lot of areas. Getting some of the tele/recall/warp quest objectives, Castle Oz/Beaudeux/davoi runs to get the ??? for GK, Getting into Ifrit's via the shortcut (die, tractor), popping coffers for AF, getting behind gate in GC (die at ledge, tractor up and reriase), death runs to spires and tractor/raise to the entrance when it was a level 30 cap, death runs to the throne room (still wind up doing this sometimes in the past version).....so many we could probably fill the page if we really thought about it.

And now, with how easy xp comes now....xp recovery from death is a moot point when you can simply kill a few mobs and get it back. Seriously...to cry about dying after you click a door and complete an objective....(by the way, they fixed a lot of these so you drop aggro when you kick off the CS, so you still get the credit even if you get aggro and die afterwards). It is really a trivial thing to complain about resorting to the death run tactics now in comparison to how it used to be.

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Originally Posted by Rosina

because its a bit different... windower is a third party tool yes? And you can run add-ons through said tool yes? It's different between running an addon on with a game then having it intergrated in the actual games code work. SE know the code and frame work best. They know what limits they have. And it is their game, they have the final say. Being upset over the fact they can't do or do not want to do certain things is a tad silly. It is just a game. But please keep on topic... there is alreafy a conspiricy thoery thread. Post you concerns there not here.

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Actually, no. It's because the ones doing it in Windower are doing it in a Windows environment and are taking advantage of the access to more resources that FFXI doesn't take advantage of because SE is determined to keep FFXI on PC running within the scope of the PS2 restrictions embedded in the core code. If SE were to step further outside of these limitations on the non PS2 platforms, a lot of these things could be done (at least for the PC version of the game).

Unfortunately, this is not the case. They are loosening the reigns a little with the coming UI changes....which is a start. Hopefully, the trend continues and we'll see some bigger changes when SoA comes out.

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Originally Posted by Rosina

I have no idea why they changed these areas for gov. I find it a pointless change as there was alot of high level locations. Abyssea being one of them. I find it an unfair change and simple want it to back to how it used to be. So players have places to level up near windurst. Ans the ability to get these mission and quests done that require to go through the mage door.

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The high level mobs were introduced to have it so there are EXP locations in every dungeon for people 75+ without Abyssea. They're also there so every region can be conquered by high level players, and so that Trial of the Magians can be done, since you need mobs that are worth EXP if you are doing the trial at 99.

http://parchmentpaper.blogspot.com/2...they.html#more

That maps out where the high level mobs are, and which ones aggro. Many are passive, except beastmen and undead. What could be useful is pointing out every quest/mission ??? where these new mobs are, and having the devs relocate them to low level areas or redo mob placement to have non-aggressive mobs around them.

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Originally Posted by Rosina

I'm happy they added fov/gov. But the low level zones into high level zones just outside towns was not needed. It skrews the leveling for low level forcing them to travel father. The tower change i'm talking about is the north tower in west sarutabaruta. It was a good location from 5-13. Great zone set up not too much aggro/link. The R1 mission towers are crap to level up in.

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Out of cuiriosity, are you talking about Amyrillis tower, that leads to Outer horutoto ruins? According to the GoV list for that zone, there are still mobs in brackets running 10-14, 15-19, 20-24, 25-29.... looks like you could technically run all the way up near level 50 in Outer if you move around a bit.

Maybe they changed the layout a bit and you have to use a different tower, IDK.. haven't spent much time there outside of escorting people for quests in recent times....but it appears the zone is still viable for the levels you want, just might have to find a different room or hallway than before is all.

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Wel... first thing I run into... Stink Bats... level 15-18, Assorted Goblins range 10-14. Think those have always been there. Moving into the antechambers....

Rotten Jam...level 12-15 and a goblin NM (Legalox Heftyhand, level 33), a group of 4 90-ish players slaughtering what checked as EP bats and stuff in the tunnel behind the cracked wall to the east. More level 10-14 gobs and level 15-18 bats in the room to the west.

IDK.. so far, that initial room still looks the same as it ever was, and is still viable for the same level players as it was before they added the higher level mobs deeper in.

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Put up sneak and ran past the higher level puddings/bats and at the back alley along G-9 to G-7 (the cracked wall section) I found the same ghouls and combats that have always been there (23-26 and 20-23), as well as a treasure chest. That's the same as it ever was.

So, access to that section is still more or less the same as it ever was, you just HAVE to use sneak to get back there now to avoid aggro, where as before you might have been able to avoid aggro if high enough or just fight your way through it...but if your objective was to get back there as quickly as possible in the past, you would have gone in stealth mode...so, doesn't necessarly change the strategy for this section.

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Seems this is further much ado about nothing....did some more exploring. For Making Headlines, there is not real serious threat. Zoned into the tower....level 1-7 mobs there. When I entered the tunnels through the cracked wall, yes...there were 80-ish mobs, easily avoided with stealth tactics. Got back to the mahogany door....and it was an empty room (save for a grounds tome). That's right... no mobs to aggro you when you click the door. 80-ish bats in the tunnel leading to the room, but nothing in the room. Could click the door, and use the tome to repatriate (to avoid running back through) with NO THREAT OF AGGRO. I then ran down towards the Magic Gizmo section.

***Note, I casted sneak/inv with a 49 WHM subjob, enhancing skill only 139... and they stayed up until I had to remove invis to open the gate, but sneak lasted until I got to the cracked wall---it just wore as I'm standing there typing this.

That hall at the gate door---empty, no mobs to aggro you. The room behind it, (with the cracked wall)--level 20-24-ish mobs, as always. Might have to watch your back for aggro when you went to click the cracked wall if you were still low enough to be at risk for these lower level mobs---same as it ever was. Behind the cracked wall... level 01-05 bats.

So, for lily tower, it is looking like you are only at risk from 80-ish mobs when running from point A to point B through the middle section of tunnels for missions/quests...but once you reach your destination, you are just as safe as you ever were. Looks like all you need is a means to keep sneak/inv up when you are running through those middle sections. So... lets check 3-mage gate, shall we?

Behind Cracked wall... Gee..this looks familiar..Willo-the -Wisp (23-25), Boggarts(22-25). Nothing new here.

Yep..so, those points in the OP are basically debunked now as well.

im going to point out two things raist
first off I started in 2004.
second " As stated earlier, in the past you would have still gathered up a group to help you.": this was infact not the case at all. making headlines was a solo quest @ lvl 10-15.

I will also like to point out, I have no way to LOOK at said guides. But yes you are being a scrooge in my eyes. As for mog trails, these mobs already had high level counter parts before gov.

Lastly, it does matter of leveling guide was writen by a person who already has 1 99. They have gear and support jobs to back stuff up. A fresh player may not have said gear and will have a rougher time in said area.I also took a look at the updates, these changes were vaguely mentioned. as in "x zones would have mobs level adjusted."

Ur advice is great, but i wasn't seeking it. Please realise that. I do not like advice being pushed on to me w/o asking. I find it rather rude. Forcing you aid onto others w/o asking can be seen as belittling. (text limit)

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I have tried a few of these places out both past and present. Which I believe I told you. The aggro/link can become very nasty very quickly in the east saurabaruta towers. Giddeus (where i've been) is again tough to lvl in some spots due to the high risk of a massive link. Not helping low level gear is hard to get since low levels quests are now a bit hard to do so gil is scetchy in early lvls. Raist before you make any further comment start a character from the ground up w/o help in windurst region. Then offer me advice. I'll gladly accept it then. And by no help meaning no free gear from mules or free gil from main. Start fresh w/o assistence of any kind. Also do it solo. no book burning in gusgen. Again i'll accept ur advice. but atm your being a bit scrooge like. You just simply dislike my suggestion w/o real reason other then YOU find it pointless. (not a good reason btw...)

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As for mog trails, these mobs already had high level counter parts before gov.

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Not all mobs are easy to get your hands on in the conditions mentioned. In fact alot of trials even now are a complete pain because they have mobs in areas that are extremely rare to get weather for. Examples being Antlion trials or a trial most BSTs do involving Bees and areas with very rare weather. The only problem with the higher level mobs is location, past that it really isn't a problem to anyone.

Slight note btw since I don't think it has been mentioned but the final limit break involves a stone you must get, it drops only from the GoV area high level mobs so far as I know, so they definitely serve at least some purpose.

Not giving you advice...I'm countering your claims about high level mobs preventing one from participating in content. As I've demonstrated, at the points where it would be a problem, it is not. At points where there is a new problem, there is an easy remedy to avoid said problem.

And level 99 or not really has no bearing on a mobs stats....either they are good candidates based on their stats or not.

Also, I think you have a misunderstanding of what a Scrooge is. I'm not being mean, and I'm not being excessively miserly. I'm pointing out facts....even spent the time and gil to travel to these areas to test your claims. As usual, if I suspect someone is spreading misinformation or being a bit over the top on the exaggeration anaology to prove an absurd point...I will challenge it, look some things up, and present the counterpoint. In this case, you were providing some misinformation that needed to be brought into light.

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I have tried a few of these places out both past and present. Which I believe I told you. The aggro/link can become very nasty very quickly in the east saurabaruta towers. Giddeus (where i've been) is again tough to lvl in some spots due to the high risk of a massive link. Not helping low level gear is hard to get since low levels quests are now a bit hard to do so gil is scetchy in early lvls. Raist before you make any further comment start a character from the ground up w/o help in windurst region. Then offer me advice. I'll gladly accept it then. And by no help meaning no free gear from mules or free gil from main. Start fresh w/o assistence of any kind. Also do it solo. no book burning in gusgen. Again i'll accept ur advice. but atm your being a bit scrooge like. You just simply dislike my suggestion w/o real reason other then YOU find it pointless. (not a good reason btw...)

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OK, now I'll give you some advice.....go somewhere else to level. There are lots of other places to go close by at your level, if you would just do some of the research. Those links above are virtual roadmaps for where you can level at in the new FFXI, if you'd just bother to take the time to review them.

It's not rocket science. In the past, it was not uncommon for people to find they couldn't handle Dunes very well and went back to thienne or highlands and leveled a little more.

@ raist

by being scrooge like is you are countering my post for nothing more then a selfish reason that is you simply find it pointless. You have no other reason other then this. That is being selfish in a sence. And how can i be providing mis info when i have actually been into said areas with in the past few days. If you dislike the suggestion just please step away. And my suggestion effect no one here. I'm just asking for a change in windurst since this area has always been scetchy to level in. It took me weeks playing 2 hrs a day to get a good rythme down for lvling in this area. But that time i spent is now worthless and i have to retry, which i;m not having a fun time with.

Also your info is pointless as you did this stuff with a high level which you fully admited to. my highest is lvl 18. Instead of taking ur high level and trying to prove me wrong (which again is also a selfish thing) prove me wrong under the same conditions i'm at. level thf to 18 solo w/o sub then level war to 17 with /thf.

ok raist i'm goin to say this nicely, this isn't an attack.

What you are doing is selfish and uncalled for. I am making a suggestion to SE to change back a few areas that did not to be made for high levels, which lessend the possible leveling spots for low levels in windurst. Which wasn't all that much from the get go. All i'm looking for is a change JUST windurst not all locations. All other ppl did was make comments in aggreement that some of these changes seemed silly.

What you see as "misinfo" is actually my personal experience. I have beenj all over west sarutabaruta/ east saurabaruta. and in most of the towers before and afte the gov change. Not all of the locations are good. Either mobs are too far apart, or mobs are too close together to the point where u got 3+ on you.

All you are doing is take ur highest level or main character which gear/merits/ various support jobs and trying this out. There is a huge difference between an established character and a fresh character.

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As for leveling guides.. i have tied them in the past w/o success. And i do mean before and after gov.. But currently i can't even access them. I told you this as well. You seem to be ignoring these obvious things simply by skimming my post.

honestly you are coming of pretty silly "i'm a high lvl i tried these with my character i;m right your wrong" << this is how ur posts seem.

I'm not trying to prove you wrong either, i'm not trying to prove anything. I;m just sharing my person experience and asking for a change if its possible to better said experience. What are you trying to gain by taking my personal experience and spitting on them with pointless chest puffing of ur well established character? Thats all i see coming from you. You do not need to prove me wrong if you dislike the suggestion. Just say what you dislike and end it there.

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@ raist

by being scrooge like is you are countering my post for nothing more then a selfish reason that is you simply find it pointless. You have no other reason other then this. That is being selfish in a sence. And how can i be providing mis info when i have actually been into said areas with in the past few days. If you dislike the suggestion just please step away. And my suggestion effect no one here. I'm just asking for a change in windurst since this area has always been scetchy to level in. It took me weeks playing 2 hrs a week to get a good rythme down for lvling in this area. Bit what time i spent is now worthless and i have to retry, which i;m not having a fun time with.

Also your info is pointless as you did this stuff with a high level which you fully admited to. my highest is lvl 18. Instead of taking ur high level and trying to prove me wrong (which again is also a selfish thing) prove me wrong under the same conditions i'm at. level thf to 18 solo w/o sub thenj level war to 17 with /thf.

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OMG.... did you not even read the posts? I JUST walked through the same areas last night and this afternoon!!! Whether I was 99 or not is moot...I looked up the mobs on the freaking wiki's to see what their spawn levels were, or did that not dawn on you when I typed in the posts? I dind't just /check to see if they were Too Weak or not--I actually looked them up. And, if you had bothered to look at the links I provided, you would have seen all that information as well. You provided erroneous statements, such as these:

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the north tower in west sarutabaruta is now 30+ spot

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the underbelly of the west sarutabaruta tower dungeons is now 80-99. Doing the "making headlines" is now hard and this used to be a low lvl quest. The door is now guarded by mobs that are meant for lvl 80-99 plaayer

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the three mage door area used in several quests and missions is not full of high lvl mobs. Getting rank missions done now has to be done via the "back way" from the rhinostery star beetle killing quest

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Good Grief....go back and read the edits where I scoped out these very areas.

You aren't the only one with a lot of game time on these forums...sure, I haven't been here since 2004, but I followed it's progress, read up on it a lot before I started--I had already laid out a plan of action to start in Bastok on MNK and work my way through the startup quests to get some items/gil and level other jobs to test out which one I wanted to take up first. I did all that 6 or 7 years ago....when I had no subjob as well, and even when I did first unlock them sometimes I didn't have a proper subjob as I was experimenting to see how they behaved under different situations.

A level 1-6 worm or level 3-8 gob or bat can pose the same risk pretty much no matter where they are in the game (at some levels, some mobs may gain an extra TP move not available elswhere, but in general, this holds true). If we could handle the stray goblin at 15 in the dunes as a party, or at 35 in yuhtunga Jungle.... we could handle the same level mobs at that same level in other zones. Smacking bees in the gustabergs will present you with the same problems you run into in the Saras--provided the levels are the same for both player and monster.

So no, whether I researched this as a level 99, level 51, or level 15 doesn't matter--I'm looking at the actual stats on the mobs. I wasn't comparing them in the game--I'm looking at what was programmed in the game, vs. what levels they can potentially be killed at based on my (and others') experiences. The only thing I CAN'T compare is your playstyle and your equipment/job selection--I have no way to know just what you feel confident in handling, nor what you may be capable of killing, all I can do is point you in the direction of your options to make a decision.

That is up to YOU to determine what is best for your situation based on YOUR choices of how you are going to play. If you can't handle it, need to try something different--either different gear/food, team up, different job, or different area and/or mob, etc.. I've provided links to some lists where you can compare what your options are so you can evaulate your choices and adapt to how the game is designed now. It is totally manageble...you just have to be wiilling to progress along with the game. If you want to be stuck in 2006 or earlier....I guess the game has moved on without you.

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As for leveling guides.. i have tied them in the past w/o success. And i do mean before and after gov.. But currently i can't even access them. I told you this as well. You seem to be ignoring these obvious things simply by skimming my post.

honestly you are coming of pretty silly "i'm a high lvl i tried these with my character i;m right your wrong" << this is how ur posts seem.

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is that "can't", or "won't"? you seem to be able to browse the web just fine.

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Originally Posted by Rosina

ok raist i'm goin to say this nicely, this isn't an attack.

What you are doing is selfish and uncalled for. I am making a suggestion to SE to change back a few areas that did not to be made for high levels, which lessend the possible leveling spots for low levels in windurst. Which wasn't all that much from the get go. All i'm looking for is a change JUST windurst not all locations. All other ppl did was make comments in aggreement that some of these changes seemed silly.

What you see as "misinfo" is actually my personal experience. I have beenj all over west sarutabaruta/ east saurabaruta. and in most of the towers before and afte the gov change. Not all of the locations are good. Either mobs are too far apart, or mobs are too close together to the point where u got 3+ on you.

All you are doing is take ur highest level or main character which gear/merits/ various support jobs and trying this out. There is a huge difference between an established character and a fresh character.

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I'm being selfish...ok....that's a new one. Guess that's better than being called a troll. I thought you didn't engage in slinging insults and calling names? Seem to recall reading that somewhere....

And yes, SE did feel it was necessary to add high level mobs for the post 75 crowd...in fact, the players were asking for higher level mobs. They had to put them somewhere. They took care to try to re-arrange things to prevent it from locking out other content, and when they missed the mark on that in some areas, they made adjustments.

Again, if you would take the time to review the changes, you would see there are alternatives that WILL work, if you would just use them. If not, then there wouldn't be new/returning players coming in and leveling up to need help with GK's, rank runs, CoP/ZM/WotG, TAU, etc....there would be an entire legion of pre-20 Windurstians crying for help. This is NOT the case.

And yes, misinformation. As you clearly stated (and I quoted earlier) you were placing higher level mobs in areas where they were not placed to further advance your argument. If you are going to use such examples, you need to make sure they are accurate.

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In case you don't see the that the facts don't support your claims, here is one of those things that neede correcting:

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the underbelly of the west sarutabaruta tower dungeons is now 80-99. Doing the "making headlines" is now hard and this used to be a low lvl quest. The door is now guarded by mobs that are meant for lvl 80-99 plaayer

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Seems this is further much ado about nothing....did some more exploring. For Making Headlines, there is not real serious threat. Zoned into the tower....level 1-7 mobs there. When I entered the tunnels through the cracked wall, yes...there were 80-ish mobs, easily avoided with stealth tactics. Got back to the mahogany door....and it was an empty room (save for a grounds tome). That's right... no mobs to aggro you when you click the door. 80-ish bats in the tunnel leading to the room, but nothing in the room. Could click the door, and use the tome to repatriate (to avoid running back through) with NO THREAT OF AGGRO.

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Originally Posted by RAIST

is that "can't", or "won't"? you seem to be able to browse the web just fine.

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my ps3 don't handle it well wiki and etc are laggy. I have tried

and being 99 and being there isn't moot infact thats the point i'm making ur a 99... of course your gonna be ok in this area. I had help on making headlines. My ex was a 90whm/blm (best gear and did gear swap) And he still died from a nasty link.

here is my current character mithra war level 17 sub thf. i have 4K gil in the level 10 scale set no accessories using a level 15 great sword (cheapest high dmg weapon i can find) my highest is 18 thf.

What you are doing is pointless, your basing every point on assumption and basing it off ur charactef which is well established. There is a hue difference between a newy made character and well established one. So it isn't moot point to discredit ur finding based on that. Since your experienment wasn't using the same type of character setting.

being called selfish by what your doing isn't an insult so much as calling out on obvious attitude. I don't see too many ppl solo around my level eiher. i'm choosing to solo out of not finding book burn fun.

before you make another comment to prove me wrong... play @ my level.

1) start a fresh character in windust w/o any assistence such as gil from anyone ear from mules etc etc
2) solo thf to 18
3) after doing advance job solo to 17 as war

do this all in windurst. Only way you gonna prove ur claims right is to do it urself under my current situation. Not take an established character and say that is moot.

I can tell you only skim my posts, cuz 1/2 of what you ask is already explained. I read ur posts in full. And they do come off selfish. Since all you are doing is trying to counter my suggestion simply because u find it pointless. You aready admited to this. As for the north tower in west sarutabaruta.. it was a guess i didn't get a chance to fix it. But ty for fixing it for me. I appologise for that

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Originally Posted by Rosina

my ps3 don't handle it well wiki and etc are laggy. I have tried

and being 99 and being there isn't moot infact thats the point i'm making ur a 99... of course your gonna be ok in this area. I had help on making headlines. My ex was a 90whm/blm (best gear and did gear swap) And he still died from a nasty link.

here is my current character mithra war level 17 sub thf. i have 4K gil in the level 10 scale set no accessories using a level 15 great sword (cheapest high dmg weapon i can find) my highest is 18 thf.

What you are doing is pointless, your basing every point on assumption and basing it off ur charactef which is well established. There is a hue difference between a newy made character and well established one. So it isn't moot point to discredit ur finding based on that. Since your experienment wasn't using the same type of character setting.

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If you can't browse it, then ask in your LS...the information is out there, and some may actually know it by heart.


My level doesn't matter...if they are mobs level 1-7 for me, they will check as level 1-7 to you. That is their actual level, it has NOTHING to do with my level. I wasn't going there to fight them, I was going there to see what was actually there. The SAME BOMBS AND BOGGARTS are at the 3-mage door as were there ages ago when I first went there. You claimed that area is now full of higher level mobs, which again...simply IS NOT TRUE.

Facts are facts...what you stated is false, or at the very least misleading. I'm not making assumptions...I'm looking at your words, and they are NOT in line with the truth. Others may read this without investigating and think you are right, when in fact you were WRONG. Can you just not accept that fact?

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Originally Posted by Rosina

being called selfish by what your doing isn't an insult so much as calling out on obvious attitude. I don't see too many ppl solo around my level eiher. i'm choosing to solo out of not finding book burn fun.

before you make another comment to prove me wrong... play @ my level.

1) start a fresh character in windust w/o any assistence such as gil from anyone ear from mules etc etc
2) solo thf to 18
3) after doing advance job solo to 17 as war

do this all in windurst. Only way you gonna prove ur claims right is to do it urself under my current situation. Not take an established character and say that is moot.

I can tell you only skim my posts, cuz 1/2 of what you ask is already explained. I read ur posts in full. And they do come off selfish. Since all you are doing is trying to counter my suggestion simply because u find it pointless. You aready admited to this. As for the north tower in west sarutabaruta.. it was a guess i didn't get a chance to fix it. But ty for fixing it for me. I appologise for that

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Correcting misleading posts to prevent others from being mislead by misinformation is not being selfish.

I don't need to level a new character to know that one can technically level from 1 to 17 right outside Windhurst, it's clearly laid out in the wiki. If one wants faster xp, he/she can move out to nearby zones. It's all laid out nicely so one can map out their path all the way to 99 if they wanted to. We've already been taking new/returning players thorugh this very process. My main LS leader just unlocked subjobs for their son for the second time today. It's not just hyperbole, we've seen it in action.

your level and character does matter... as does your reason for doing what ur doing. You reason is a selfish one. You can't do what ur trying to do under an estabished character since there is a huge difference. Try those leveling guides for windy solo as a newy made character w/o help then get back to me. But stop and think what you are actually doingb and for what purpose cuz honesty u are being rude. Ur taking my problem and my suggestion for a fix and spitting on it.

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Originally Posted by RAIST

Correcting misleading posts to prevent others from being mislead by misinformation is not being selfish.

I don't need to level a new character to know that one can technically level from 1 to 17 right outside Windhurst, it's clearly laid out in the wiki. If one wants faster xp, he/she can move out to nearby zones. It's all laid out nicely so one can map out their path all the way to 99 if they wanted to. We've already been taking new/returning players thorugh this very process. My main LS leader just unlocked subjobs for their son for the second time today. It's not just hyperbole, we've seen it in action.

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ur not corecting/corrected anything other then 2 locations. but ur trying to insut my experience eveing under an estabished character. Thats what I feel is going on. But honest to god... its a effin suggestion no need to to what ur doing.. ur just being rude. Ur punishing me for some slight info which was infact guesses. if ppl in ur LS are not having a hard time thats

As already stated, we've been doing this for other players....it has already be vetted by putting it in practice. I don't need to spend the extra money to prove a point that has already been proven time and time again. The fact that you are having difficulty doesn't mean everyone else is. I know that applies in reverse too, but either way, it is an issue bound to the individual more so than the game design. Something is different for those that are successful versus those that aren't--if they are using the same tools, then it comes down to the differences in choices made by those individuals.

The facts have been put out there, links provided, and suggestions have been made. If you can't accept that there is a better way to do it and prefer to hurl insults and try to dodge your responsibility for the mistakes/failings in both the forums and the game, that is your choice. The record stands as proof of the truth, and that is where I will leave it. Let others decide for themselves.

not me, if no one else is having an issue thats them not me. I'm having an issue. I dislike a change, i'm asking not demaning said change. If u hate it.. don't post. But don't go out of ur way to stone the poster for the suggestion, more so for a petty reason as "i find it pointless". I sugest if you have a better reason to be against this chane that isn't a selfish one share it. If not stop posting. Cuz all i feel you sare doing is belitting me and trying to paint a bad picture about me. I have asked my LS to level with me they are busy with their own thing.

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Originally Posted by Rosina

ur not corecting/corrected anything other then 2 locations. but ur trying to insut my experience eveing under an estabished character. Thats what I feel is going on. But honest to god... its a effin suggestion no need to to what ur doing.. ur just being rude. Ur punishing me for some slight info which was infact guesses. if ppl in ur LS are not having a hard time thats

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It was actually 3 locations from your OP, as well as Zeruhn Mines....just another correction again.

I'm not even trying to point out insult to cover my tracks you proving it with each post ur doing. Instead of coming in here skiming my posts, stoning me for my experiences see for urself. You are helping those players. I'm not getting help. I have tried these suggestions... they didn't work. But my suggestion still stands.

simply put... get over urself.. ur doing nothing but attacking a poster for their suggestion. Nothing more....

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Originally Posted by RAIST

It was actually 3 locations from your OP, as well as Zeruhn Mines....just another correction again.

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ok thank you... not really a mistake just forgot.. i'm just frustatred i neec to be treated in such a mannor just 1 suggestion. You and others like you need to step back and rethink how you post and come off in ur posts.

You and others like you do come off rude. You do seem selfish, petty, and pull the "i'm right ur wrong" on just about anything that don't fall into ur realm of assumption. Simply put, you assume to much. And using poor examples that prove nothing poutside of the fact to are just attacking a poster for a suggestion that you hate just for sake of hate. So SE don't do it and "prevent other content". If you do not like the sugestion either 1.. do not post. 2 say you do not think it is a good idea with a well thought out post outside of personal reasons.

I feel my suggestion is good and will be helpful to anyone who is new or returning.

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Originally Posted by Rosina

I'm not even trying to point out insult to cover my tracks you proving it with each post ur doing. Instead of coming in here skiming my posts, stoning me for my experiences see for urself. You are helping those players. I'm not getting help. I have tried these suggestions... they didn't work. But my suggestion still stands.

simply put... get over urself.. ur doing nothing but attacking a poster for their suggestion. Nothing more....

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[sarcasm]Oh no... it couldn't possibly be because some posts may have been misleading, and led to a misconception for some about how big a problem this may/may not be. Heaven forbid someone actually provides a different view based on what actually exists, and what can actually be done to adjust to the new layouts and such. Oh no....that's a direct attack on you.[/sarcasm]

Seriously....please take a close look at what has gone on in this thread before it gets locked and some posts possibly get edited. If I was really out to attack you, I would have chimed in 30-40 some-odd posts before I did. This was not about you, it was about the misconception that this is a problem that outright prevents people from participating in content.

If there was no remedy for the issue you feel so strongly about, then it would get mass support and SE might consider altering it. But as it stands now, it's been this way for a quite a while now, and it would appear a large number of players have adapted to the changes and moved on.

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Originally Posted by Rosina

ok thank you... not really a mistake just forgot.. i'm just frustatred i neec to be treated in such a mannor just 1 suggestion. You and others like you need to step back and rethink how you post and come off in ur posts.

You and others like you do come off rude. You do seem selfish, petty, and pull the "i'm right ur wrong" on just about anything that don't fall into ur realm of assumption. Simply put, you assume to much. And using poor examples that prove nothing poutside of the fact to are just attacking a poster for a suggestion that you hate just for sake of hate. So SE don't do it and "prevent other content". If you do not like the sugestion either 1.. do not post. 2 say you do not think it is a good idea with a well thought out post outside of personal reasons.

I feel my suggestion is good and will be helpful to anyone who is new or returning.

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There you go again using that word... "assumption". I didn't make an assumption about your posts. When dealing with facts, either a statement is right or wrong, true or false---there isn't room for assumptions. That would make it more like an opinion--but when one states that something IS this way, and it IS NOT that way and someone corrects it, sometimes that is all it is. Perhaps you are the one making the assumptions?

For the record, you claimed I was making assumptions about you and attacking you...all I'm doing is defending those accusations.

This is better then hobo fights . :D *Grabs some poppin' corn and vittles* On a more serious note I'm surprised this thread too hasn't been closed yet. Opinions are opinions but it becomes a cat fight when you draw it out.

oi vey... your making comments based on assumptions. 1 that i have access to wiki. 2 that i'm not trying these out. 3 making comments stating my experience is false, sharing stories of ur Ls that may or may not be true. you're pretty much being condencending (sp). you find this suggest point less and you gonna do/ say anything to try and prove it with out consider any other point of view other then ur own. I did thank and consider advice and tips given. Also tried it and didn't work for me. But all the tips and advice don't do much against my suggestion. Still pretty much making excuses for bad design.

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Originally Posted by Rosina

oi vey... your making comments based on assumptions. 1 that i have access to wiki.

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It's a reasonable assumption given that it's the 21st century and you're playing an MMORPG.

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Originally Posted by Rosina

because its a bit different... windower is a third party tool yes? And you can run add-ons through said tool yes? It's different between running an addon on with a game then having it intergrated in the actual games code work. SE know the code and frame work best. They know what limits they have. And it is their game, they have the final say. Being upset over the fact they can't do or do not want to do certain things is a tad silly. It is just a game. But please keep on topic... there is alreafy a conspiricy thoery thread. Post you concerns there not here.

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The only way it's a "tool" is it injects a hook.dll that allows further scripting -- the game itself can allow these mechanics as is. It's not some sort of complete reverse-engineering of code that was discovered in order to exploit the game. Windower literally just simplified and added certain pieces of code that allow these plugins to work. SE could very easily implement them. Whether or not they'd want to is an entirely different story, but making these plugins work is actually in NO way impossible or 'different'. Do you actually know coding?

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Originally Posted by Modoru

The only way it's a "tool" is it injects a hook.dll that allows further scripting -- the game itself can allow these mechanics as is. It's not some sort of complete reverse-engineering of code that was discovered in order to exploit the game. Windower literally just simplified and added certain pieces of code that allow these plugins to work. SE could very easily implement them. Whether or not they'd want to is an entirely different story, but making these plugins work is actually in NO way impossible or 'different'. Do you actually know coding?

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a tiny bit, enough to know there are limits

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It's a reasonable assumption given that it's the 21st century and you're playing an MMORPG.

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no assumption is reasonable... to assume is to make comments out of ignorance. Should ask. But most his post are already invalid becease of the given reason. And if he is unwilling to step into my shoes... he shouldn't comment.