Bring back Long spawn/Rare WORLD HNM but put drops in legion/einherjar/other bc also

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Originally Posted by Camiie

Bad content makes the game look bad.

Poorly designed and badly thought out activities like HNM makes the game look bad by encouraging MPK and botting. It makes the community look really awful if the supposed best and the brightest are treating one another like absolute trash.

HNM makes the game look impossibly boring and non-interactive. I've seen so many people over the years comment on how the best part of HNM was being able to watch TV between windows. Imagine that sort of comment appearing in a review. Be totally objective and answer this: If you saw in a game review that the most fun to be had in an integral part of a game was idling your character while watching TV, would you seriously consider buying it?

So, no, I won't support the return of HNM even with alternate loot distribution methods. I'd rather have content that makes the game looks at least somewhat modern.

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Originally Posted by Rekin

This is pretty much the point I tried to make in the previous HNM topics. No company in their right mind would want to reintroduce content that effectively isn't entertaining. A game that fails to entertain is a game that cannot accomplish the core reason anyone would play a game, fun.

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Honestly I don't get it.

It is obviously that for some group of ppl, they enjoy HNM, and just let them enjoy what they want. YOU think it's not entertaining, ok fine, everyone should respect your opinion. But that doesn't mean everyone else should think the same as you do.

But your reply is what really makes the community looked bad. "If you enjoy what I don't enjoy, you make me looked bad, and what you said are considered spam". So other players are not allowed to enjoy what you don't enjoy? If someone enjoy logging on for 3hr and semi-afk while watching TV, let them do what they want and have fun, is that a big crime?

The OP specifically came up with an idea, that both group, enjoy the content or not, gets same reward. Nobody put a gun on your head and ask you to do the content you don't enjoy, just pick the content you enjoy and avoid the one you don't enjoy, do you have to eliminate everyone that has different opinion as you?

Either way, I support OPs idea. This game should be more diverse, and satisfy every different kind of player, instead of catering toward only one group of ppl.

You misunderstand. A game is meant to be played and is meant to bring entertainment. If you are doing something else while waiting on the game to be fun, that is bad. The games goal is to entertain you, not bore you so you do something else waiting for it to become entertaining. If you went to a restaurant and ordered food, then they took 3 hours for you to get your food to you, but they gave you a small room with a TV in it to watch while you wait, the restaurant would not get much business. You went there for food, however you have to wait 3 hours to get what you came for.

Things like this are shown in the past to reflect badly. Absolute Virtue and Pandemonium Warden were both NMs so hard people had labeled them as nearly impossible. There were things saying all over the internet that people were staying up for 10s of hours fighting these NMs, while I'm sure some people liked this content and the idea of such an incredible battle of epic proportions, it made the game get some bad publicity. I'm sure this is why people are saying it makes the game look bad, because of these instances showing much of the same thing before.

I'm down for compromises. I don't mind if rare HNM gear exists, so long as I can get it on my own or in smaller groups. Such as, if they made a Trial of Magian of the gear that drops from the HNM (same name or a different name matters not to me) with the exact same stats, then I'm okay with it.

Granted, if it was rare, it would need to require a lot of work outside of the lucky drop. That way lottery, competitive people are happy, and unlucky, slow-but-steady people such as myself are happy too. :)

I didn't like the HNM era because I couldn't obtain a lot of amazing gear. If it was obtainable in my own sense of the definition, then I'd be okay with other people obtaining it in their preferred way.

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Originally Posted by wish12oz

I love when the king camping crowd tries to act like Kings or any of that stuff was at all difficult after 2006~
The only hard part was getting claim, which they used bots for, then they felt superior to everyone else and could block them from being able to do content. That is what this arguement is really about. People who paid lots of money for bots are mad they cant use those bots to get stuff no one else can get anymore.

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I would agree with you except... if this was the case they would not offer a compromise. With the compromise they cant get things no one else can anyways, so it makes no sense they would propose it. This is the only reason I assume they are actually just wanting the NMs to camp. It makes no sense to me why they would want it, but with how they talk of it and how this idea is offered it seems the only logical conclusion, which is they want to camp it, rare gear or not.

@ afa
do you actually know what is being said in the op? do you understsand the concept of that?

I ask because it seems you skip over the fact that they want LONG spawns rates as in 24 hours cool down with 3+ hr windows after it hits the 24+ hr mark. That means these nms will appear once a day... that leaves A TON of ppl out. Only a select 18 can even remotely claim this at a decent hour.
I miss out on hnm pops in the 12-20 hr i was awake cuz it always seemed to pop in a time frame where i'm sleeping.

SE changed most of the hnm that fell under such a massive cool down. And even still i know my self and a few others on Lakshmi and odin enjoyed killing hnm just hated the massive restriction that was time. Not all of us want instance fights.

So i ask why do you support this idea when their "fun" which was FULLY Addmited that they want these just to have claim wars. and and fight need not apply. And said claims wars were stupid and drove out community to how it is now.

ok ima say this once...
" Nobody put a gun on your head and ask you to do the content you don't enjoy, just pick the content you enjoy and avoid the one you don't enjoy, do you have to eliminate everyone that has different opinion as you?"

please stop saying this guys... this is the most idiot reply i keep seeing (not the ppl typing it but the comment in general)

did it ever sink into ur heads that people WANT to do the content, but due to the short sighted suggestions prevent them for doing it.

people are short sighted to how hnm can be spawned, and have been even more suggestions as to spawn them... or have a very very low on the dot cool down. Much like u see in WoW or the synergy nms in ffxi. I would love to see hnm daily and avoid them much like bloodtear baldef back in the day. this was back on my 2hr days.. he would always be up in latheine. and would kill me too.

this game only needs to cater the ffxi playerbase... only the idiots use the segrigation of "hardcore and casual".

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out of honestly i didn't see the hard core casual fighting bs till the forums were out. this was a complete non issue till then. I was never once called a casual or hardcore in game. Nor did i see myself as such.
we all play at different times of a 24 hr time across 40+ time zones. and for different langths... we don't need petty political style lables.

content is effin content.... should be lucky we are getting content and a new expac with such an old mmo.

instead of fighting over who is good and bad, who is casual or hard core.. just focus on giving feed back and suggestion content that isn't restricted to anyone. We could use some fresh blood in the game with so many mmo failing now or going to free to play, ppl need a good sturdy mmo to go to. I just want fun content i can form a party for and go to fight... no time systen restrictions. pref in the open world. too much content now is solo , solo , solo.. if i wanted to play solo... is be on skyrim. i play mmo for the grouping.

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Originally Posted by wish12oz

My mannequin wore my Dalmatica after I retired RDM which is most likely before you started playing, thanks. And I wasnt pretending to not know, I was illustrating that I wasnt positive if that was the name and server, because its been awhile and I didnt want to say something and have been wrong. My gear is better than yours now too, wanna compare?



I dunno who that is, sorry.



You should probably avoid pointing people to your website, that front picture of Odin II shows exactly what Im talking about with your LS.
I decided to be nice and removed the name, but ya, this is on your front page. GG Mr. Nohaxx


EDIT: And ya, Im a hater, and I especially hate that for awhile, I was forced to hang out with an LS full of bad players simply because there was 1 item I wanted I couldnt get in any other LS.

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I'd love to know where you get your information from. Care to tell us?

Also, if i wanted to be warrior only and have no utility what-so-ever, I'd probably get kicked for being a waste of a linkshell slot.

Let's see your drk, sam, drg, rdm, whm, brd, mnk, rng and pld sets then.

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Originally Posted by mikeh

I'd love to know where you get your information from. Care to tell us?

Also, if i wanted to be warrior only and have no utility what-so-ever, I'd probably get kicked for being a waste of a linkshell slot.

Let's see your drk, sam, drg, rdm, whm, brd, mnk, rng and pld sets then.

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you do realise ur are making urself look guilty by bringing in a petty fight about something that has nothing to do with said accusation..
if u guys are free of guilt.... act like it.. not pull out the bully card.

if ur soo innocent avt like it... so far your proving otherwise. ur trying to change the subject.

/em grabs the popcorn.

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Originally Posted by Rosina

you do realise ur are making urself look guilty by bringing in a petty fight about something that has nothing to do with said accusation..
if u guys are free of guilt.... act like it.. not pull out the bully card.

if ur soo innocent avt like it... so far your proving otherwise. ur trying to change the subject.

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I'm making myself look guilty by calling out bare faced liars? Ok Tim, whatever you say!

As for trying to change the subject... I'm bored and i guess this will amuse me for a bit, maybe?

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Originally Posted by Afania

The OP specifically came up with an idea, that both group, enjoy the content or not, gets same reward. Nobody put a gun on your head and ask you to do the content you don't enjoy, just pick the content you enjoy and avoid the one you don't enjoy, do you have to eliminate everyone that has different opinion as you?

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One reason I don't support the dual-method approach to the same reward is because SE can't pull it off. If they implemented a system that utilized a ??? and a low-drop rate pop item, then it might be acceptable. However, we all know that SE will design a convoluted, time sink method where it will take weeks or months to even get to the mob you want to fight. Meanwhile, anyone willing to bot the new mobs (because we all know that's what's going to happen) will be able to fight and get rewards instantly. So you just get SE rewarding AFK and automated play again (because SE won't/can't get rid of the botters), which in other facets of the game, SE tells us is bad.

And unless SE implements some kind of restriction that people participating in one type of content can't participate in the other (which I can't see them doing), one side will get two ways to get the new items. It's not like the people wanting the HNM system will not use the other event to get what they want faster. People who were doing HNM kings also did Odin on a regular basis. So really, in essence, there's no compromise in the OP at all. One side is clearly advantaged over the other People who want to be on equal footing will have to do both events, no matter how boring/frustrating/repugnant they are.

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Originally Posted by Afania

Honestly I don't get it.

It is obviously that for some group of ppl, they enjoy HNM, and just let them enjoy what they want. YOU think it's not entertaining, ok fine, everyone should respect your opinion. But that doesn't mean everyone else should think the same as you do.

But your reply is what really makes the community looked bad. "If you enjoy what I don't enjoy, you make me looked bad, and what you said are considered spam". So other players are not allowed to enjoy what you don't enjoy? If someone enjoy logging on for 3hr and semi-afk while watching TV, let them do what they want and have fun, is that a big crime?

The OP specifically came up with an idea, that both group, enjoy the content or not, gets same reward. Nobody put a gun on your head and ask you to do the content you don't enjoy, just pick the content you enjoy and avoid the one you don't enjoy, do you have to eliminate everyone that has different opinion as you?

Either way, I support OPs idea. This game should be more diverse, and satisfy every different kind of player, instead of catering toward only one group of ppl.

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300% approve

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Originally Posted by Aldersyde

One reason I don't support the dual-method approach to the same reward is because SE can't pull it off. If they implemented a system that utilized a ??? and a low-drop rate pop item, then it might be acceptable. However, we all know that SE will design a convoluted, time sink method where it will take weeks or months to even get to the mob you want to fight. Meanwhile, anyone willing to bot the new mobs (because we all know that's what's going to happen) will be able to fight and get rewards instantly. So you just get SE rewarding AFK and automated play again (because SE won't/can't get rid of the botters), which in other facets of the game, SE tells us is bad.

And unless SE implements some kind of restriction that people participating in one type of content can't participate in the other (which I can't see them doing), one side will get two ways to get the new items. It's not like the people wanting the HNM system will not use the other event to get what they want faster. People who were doing HNM kings also did Odin on a regular basis. So really, in essence, there's no compromise in the OP at all. One side is clearly advantaged over the other People who want to be on equal footing will have to do both events, no matter how boring/frustrating/repugnant they are.

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I think most who actually did einherjar and HNM will agree, you are SERIOUSLY, INCREDIBLY DELUSIONAL, if you honestly think MOST people obtained ebody FASTER doing nidhogg than they did doing einherjar. I'm okay with opinion, which is why i've stayed out of this, but this is just bs.

Waiting ONE WEEK for HQ king, that you have to compete for, odds are low you will claim everytime, is not much different than waiting 3 days for einherjar and doing odin every 2 weeks 100%, which was easier for most groups. Both are artificial time sinks, but claiming nidhogg is probably easier than wiping in einherjar. The average shell claimed nidhogg once every 2-3 weeks. Above Average einherjar group did odin every 2 weeks.




Seriously, stop posting. You're delusional.

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Originally Posted by Tunasushi

I think most who actually did einherjar and HNM will agree, you are SERIOUSLY, INCREDIBLY DELUSIONAL, if you honestly think MOST people obtained ebody FASTER doing nidhogg than they did doing einherjar. I'm okay with opinion, which is why i've stayed out of this, but this is just bs.

Waiting ONE WEEK for HQ king, that you have to compete for, odds are low you will claim everytime, is not much different than waiting 3 days for einherjar and doing odin every 2 weeks 100%, which was easier for most groups. Both are artificial time sinks, but claiming nidhogg is probably easier than wiping in einherjar. The average shell claimed nidhogg once every 2-3 weeks. Above Average einherjar group did odin every 2 weeks.




Seriously, stop posting. You're delusional.

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People who did Einherjar AND Nidhogg definitely got e.body faster than people who only did einherjar.

Advantage goes to the botter.

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Originally Posted by Tunasushi

I think most who actually did einherjar and HNM will agree, you are SERIOUSLY, INCREDIBLY DELUSIONAL, if you honestly think MOST people obtained ebody FASTER doing nidhogg than they did doing einherjar. I'm okay with opinion, which is why i've stayed out of this, but this is just bs.

Waiting ONE WEEK for HQ king, that you have to compete for, odds are low you will claim everytime, is not much different than waiting 3 days for einherjar and doing odin every 2 weeks 100%, which was easier for most groups. Both are artificial time sinks, but claiming nidhogg is probably easier than wiping in einherjar. The average shell claimed nidhogg once every 2-3 weeks. Above Average einherjar group did odin every 2 weeks.




Seriously, stop posting. You're delusional.

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And you're being intentionally dishonest. You don't care about the camp, the monster, or the gear, you and your ilk just want to claim you're 'better players' than everyone else. At least that taru player has the balls to admit to it.

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Originally Posted by Trisscar

And you're being intentionally dishonest. You don't care about the camp, the monster, or the gear, you and your ilk just want to claim you're 'better players' than everyone else. At least that taru player has the balls to admit to it.

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Don't go insulting people please, creates problems like before, be civil.

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Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

People who did Einherjar AND Nidhogg definitely got e.body faster than people who only did einherjar.

Advantage goes to the botter.

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I like to see how every "anti HNM" people speak about "bot", like they really tried all of them and have a serious experience about using them, and know how efficient they are.
I outclaimed plenty of botter with my lolxbox 360 pad and i can tell you a claim bot dont give a lot of more chance to claim than legit players cause SE did the work really well for counter them

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

Don't go insulting people please, creates problems like before, be civil.

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If it offends them, then they know it to be true.

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Originally Posted by Hercule

I like to see how every "anti HNM" people speak about "bot", like they really tried all of them and have a serious experience about using them, and know how efficient they are.
I outclaimed plenty of botter with my lolxbox 360 pad and i can tell you a claim bot dont give a lot of more chance to claim than legit players cause SE did the work really well for counter them

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So you haven't used them, but you met a really nice bot user who was willing to let you know every time you beat him to the claim so that you could accurately document how well bots work? Lucky you.

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Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

So you haven't used them, but you met a really nice bot user who was willing to let you know every time you beat him to the claim so that you could accurately document how well bots work? Lucky you.

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Therefore your word are not more accurate than mine.

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Originally Posted by Hercule

Therefore your word are not more accurate than mine.

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So despite the hundreds if not thousands of banned accounts, millions of forum threads, countless GM calls and the fact that SE changed these NMs to counter bots, you still want me to believe that they have no affect on claiming huh? Okay.

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Originally Posted by Trisscar

If it offends them, then they know it to be true.

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Triss, don't worry. People get offended when you ask why they're naked in a PT nowadays.

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Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

So despite the hundreds if not thousands of banned accounts, millions of forum threads, countless GM calls and the fact that SE changed these NMs to counter bots, you still want me to believe that they have no affect on claiming huh? Okay.

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No the problem was not "Claim Bot" or anything (And the number of people that used a real working claimbot is probably realy realy low)

The problem was that most of player always said that the guy that outclaim them botting,
I dont remember how many time i received /tell from randoms players, that said "I will GM you, you botting, KA poped already claimed!" QQ etc... (of course i dont used one, i'm was even on my Xbox 360 and still get complainer about bot)
...And yes, ok, I confess, even myself I raged after getting outclaimed, and said that the other team is botting, but i never ever made a GM call.

Even in /say "Oh this team claimed it again, they use bot!"

So of course SE went tired because of all this unfounded complain GM call

Because in FFXI when people raged they used GM call to tell them "this guys outclaimed me!!! and he use a bot!"

Thats why in my thread about return of HNM (here: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...-Lv99%E2%80%8F )
I suggest that new HNMs should claim a random player in range (and not the players claiming them!), so if it is the HNM that claiming a random player in range, no one can say that the HNM using a bot, because the HNM is an official Square Enix bot lol

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Originally Posted by Zerich

Triss, don't worry. People get offended when you ask why they're naked in a PT nowadays.

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I never got that. At least put on the RSE 1 if you're going to leech.

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Originally Posted by Trisscar

I never got that. At least put on the RSE 1 if you're going to leech.

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Nope, this was a mines PT getting up a BRD sub, they started calling everyone a gimp.

Nude WAR/DNC with a sword(only) on skeles. smh

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Originally Posted by Trisscar

If it offends them, then they know it to be true.

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I only wish to caution against it because the last few threads that were locked were due to it.

"If you just want to have something that no one else has... build a PUP Mythic."

i was taking a drink when i red that line and shot my milk out my noes. +100 points for that one XD

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Originally Posted by mikeh

I'd love to know where you get your information from. Care to tell us?

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I had a mule on Levi for awhile, and just maybe I paid a bit of attention to the HNM scene.

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Originally Posted by mikeh

Also, if i wanted to be warrior only and have no utility what-so-ever, I'd probably get kicked for being a waste of a linkshell slot.

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My NIN and WHM are pretty awesome, once theres a reason to gear PLD again I will bother with it too.

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Originally Posted by mikeh

Let's see your drk, sam, drg, rdm, whm, brd, mnk, rng and pld sets then.

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Why would I gear a bunch of useless jobs to make them awesome? Tell you what, get SE to make these jobs useful, and I'll have them geared better than you in a week. Also, my DRG is like 37, lol, and MNK is 91, and my BRD mule is decent too.

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Originally Posted by wish12oz

If i don't have it leveled, it's a useless job huehue

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Yeah, nah. You're pretty useless. You'd never get in a decent shell with just those jobs.

Also, I'd have my warrior geared the best it could possibly be in less than a week if i were to make it my sole job, but i won't because that's just plain stupid.

You must have not paid much attention to the Levi HNM scene if you think everything you said to be true.

Maybe you made a mistake and made it on another server? Either way it gave me a good chuckle the first time i read it.

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Originally Posted by Tunasushi

I think most who actually did einherjar and HNM will agree, you are SERIOUSLY, INCREDIBLY DELUSIONAL, if you honestly think MOST people obtained ebody FASTER doing nidhogg than they did doing einherjar. I'm okay with opinion, which is why i've stayed out of this, but this is just bs.

Waiting ONE WEEK for HQ king, that you have to compete for, odds are low you will claim everytime, is not much different than waiting 3 days for einherjar and doing odin every 2 weeks 100%, which was easier for most groups. Both are artificial time sinks, but claiming nidhogg is probably easier than wiping in einherjar. The average shell claimed nidhogg once every 2-3 weeks. Above Average einherjar group did odin every 2 weeks.




Seriously, stop posting. You're delusional.

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The thing is, I didn't offer that opinion...you put it in my mouth and then made an argument against it. When you start seeing things in my words that aren't there, that's delusional.

You think you're putting players who don't want HNM on equal footing by implementing events which offer the same items. The thing is, it's not equal footing at all because pro-HNM people can, and will, the new event as well, to increase the chance of getting the item. You can't mathematically deny that a person doing both events will have an overall advantage over a person doing one. I know I'm repeating myself here but it appears you didn't really get the message the first time.

Learn to read better and/or stop building strawmans.

Decent shells wont take the most useful job in abyssea and the most important healing job in the game if both are well geared? Due to Ukon & Calad I would think also decent~well geared WAR & DRK, no reason to say someone is worthless especially if you don't look at what your talking about. You talk out your ass too, people just having petty fights like this is stupid and why civility is impossible on these forums...

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Decent shells wont take the most useful job in abyssea and the most important healing job in the game if both are well geared? Due to Ukon & Calad I would think also decent~well geared WAR & DRK, no reason to say someone is worthless especially if you don't look at what your talking about. You talk out your ass too, people just having petty fights like this is stupid and why civility is impossible on these forums...

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Oh ok. Let's all level WAR + WHM only. That's sure to win something other than abyssea!

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Originally Posted by mikeh

Oh ok. Let's all level WAR + WHM only. That's sure to win something other than abyssea!

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WAR, NIN, DRK, and WHM, those are 4 good jobs. If you need the person on a support job they have WHM, for abyssea you have them on NIN for procs, tank, DD, basically NIN can do everything with a WHM in abyssea which is what I was referring to btw. DRK & WAR for DDs, WAR for procs as well, DRK for if you need a DRK in VW, stuns, absorbs to make the enemy weaker or steal TP. WAR for straight up DDing with party wide buffs like Warcry & Blood Rage if you are zerging or need some solid damage.

4 jobs that can be useful in endgame very easily, Abyssea being endgame or not you will need to do for any new Emps going into the linkshell or being upgraded to lv90, so it is safe to assume they should be counted as well.

I never said that you should only level WAR or WHM, you said a person is useless because they have 4 jobs leveled and geared, but your in a fight with them and as all uncivilized fights like this are you just throw words at your enemy and hope they stick.

The most important jobs in the game right now are, WAR, MNK, WHM, PLD, DRK, BRD, BST(if people are doing Dyna for currency within the linkshell at all), SAM, NIN(mainly for abyssea when making Emps), SMN(when PD is involved), COR and SCH(when Embrava is involved). That is the list of jobs, that is a total of 12 jobs useful right now outside of procing only positions. Now, when looking at these 12 jobs the 4 jobs listed the person who is "useless" has, are all in this list actually. Meaning in some way at some times they will be useful on all of the 4 jobs geared.

I say again, you are fighting like uncivil idiots, no reason to insult eachother, no need to act like this. You both apparently speak of that which you do not know, so talking as you are now is just making you both look like asses. Threads have been being closed for people arguing and the arguments being reported, rather than letting more threads die in the same week about this topic I rather people stop fighting, and be civil about things for once.

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Originally Posted by Zerich

Nope, this was a mines PT getting up a BRD sub, they started calling everyone a gimp.

Nude WAR/DNC with a sword(only) on skeles. smh

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ok i'm not keen on calling ppl gimp for have frealky sub choices...

BUT OMG IS THAT PERSON AN IDIOT. /dnc = useless on skele sword is what skele are strong against. *slams head on desk* at least use a staff or sub mnk and use ur fists... /facepalm.

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

Wahhh Internet forums are sometimes offtopic

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Awww cute.

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Originally Posted by mikeh

Awww cute.

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Yep, you get the thread locked then. You keep ignoring whats said and making yourself look like an ass, cool for you.

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

Yep, you get the thread locked then. You keep ignoring whats said and making yourself look like an ass, cool for you.

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Meanwhile, you're replying to me when i asked you nothing.

H-hello.. Hypocrite police?...

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Originally Posted by mikeh

Yeah, nah. You're pretty useless. You'd never get in a decent shell with just those jobs.

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It's funny that you say that like I dont have those jobs leveled.
WAR 99 MNK 91
WHM 50 BLM 49
RDM 99 THF 99
PLD 99 DRK 99
BST 32 BRD 26
RNG 99 SAM 99
NIN 99 DRG 36
SMN 63 BLU 37
COR 99 PUP 0
SCH 23 DNC 99

Here's the list, with a RDM/WHM/Soon to be SCH mule, and a BRD mule, both of which I will probably get Alexander and lvl SMN for after.

Now lets look at your job selection.
WAR 99 MNK 99
WHM 50 BLM 50
RDM 99 THF 50
PLD 99 DRK 99
BST 30 BRD 99
RNG 99 SAM 99
NIN 99 DRG 99
SMN 50 BLU 23
COR 41 PUP 27
SCH 11 DNC 50

NIN, PLD, 2 support jobs, RNG for ranged damage, 6 melees. While I have NIN, can gear PLD quickly if it becomes useful, TH7, Healer on it's own account, 3 different support jobs on 3 different accounts, RNG, and the best melee with the best gear possible. I guess I beat you here too.

Nice NQ Adaberk too, it goes nice with your 85 Ukon.

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Also, I'd have my warrior geared the best it could possibly be in less than a week if i were to make it my sole job, but i won't because that's just plain stupid.

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Maybe if you got that, you could get up to my level.

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Originally Posted by mikeh

You must have not paid much attention to the Levi HNM scene if you think everything you said to be true.

Maybe you made a mistake and made it on another server? Either way it gave me a good chuckle the first time i read it.

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I'd chuckle too if someone so pointedly said everything my LS did. Wanna try again to prove you're somehow superior to me?

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Originally Posted by mikeh

Meanwhile, you're replying to me when i asked you nothing.

H-hello.. Hypocrite police?...

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No, you did exactly what you have been doing, saying a response with no purpose except to provoke a response from the other and continue your meaningless conflict. Doing so will likely continue it as the post above shows and will end up getting this locked as I stated. Being off of topic is nothing of what I have a problem with, nor is it a reason we have been given for the other HNM threads being closed. Threads have been closed because 2 people or sides with different opinions argued with one another for pages and pages, till it became a battlefield for the 2 and the thread was locked to stop it.