Bring back Long spawn/Rare WORLD HNM but put drops in legion/einherjar/other bc also

[Afania]

Bad content makes the game look bad.

Poorly designed and badly thought out activities like HNM makes the game look bad by encouraging MPK and botting. It makes the community look really awful if the supposed best and the brightest are treating one another like absolute trash.

HNM makes the game look impossibly boring and non-interactive. I've seen so many people over the years comment on how the best part of HNM was being able to watch TV between windows. Imagine that sort of comment appearing in a review. Be totally objective and answer this: If you saw in a game review that the most fun to be had in an integral part of a game was idling your character while watching TV, would you seriously consider buying it?

So, no, I won't support the return of HNM even with alternate loot distribution methods. I'd rather have content that makes the game looks at least somewhat modern.

This is pretty much the point I tried to make in the previous HNM topics. No company in their right mind would want to reintroduce content that effectively isn't entertaining. A game that fails to entertain is a game that cannot accomplish the core reason anyone would play a game, fun.

Honestly I don't get it.

It is obviously that for some group of ppl, they enjoy HNM, and just let them enjoy what they want. YOU think it's not entertaining, ok fine, everyone should respect your opinion. But that doesn't mean everyone else should think the same as you do.

But your reply is what really makes the community looked bad. "If you enjoy what I don't enjoy, you make me looked bad, and what you said are considered spam". So other players are not allowed to enjoy what you don't enjoy? If someone enjoy logging on for 3hr and semi-afk while watching TV, let them do what they want and have fun, is that a big crime?

The OP specifically came up with an idea, that both group, enjoy the content or not, gets same reward. Nobody put a gun on your head and ask you to do the content you don't enjoy, just pick the content you enjoy and avoid the one you don't enjoy, do you have to eliminate everyone that has different opinion as you?

Either way, I support OPs idea. This game should be more diverse, and satisfy every different kind of player, instead of catering toward only one group of ppl.

[Demon6324236]

You misunderstand. A game is meant to be played and is meant to bring entertainment. If you are doing something else while waiting on the game to be fun, that is bad. The games goal is to entertain you, not bore you so you do something else waiting for it to become entertaining. If you went to a restaurant and ordered food, then they took 3 hours for you to get your food to you, but they gave you a small room with a TV in it to watch while you wait, the restaurant would not get much business. You went there for food, however you have to wait 3 hours to get what you came for.

Things like this are shown in the past to reflect badly. Absolute Virtue and Pandemonium Warden were both NMs so hard people had labeled them as nearly impossible. There were things saying all over the internet that people were staying up for 10s of hours fighting these NMs, while I'm sure some people liked this content and the idea of such an incredible battle of epic proportions, it made the game get some bad publicity. I'm sure this is why people are saying it makes the game look bad, because of these instances showing much of the same thing before.

[Meyi]

I'm down for compromises. I don't mind if rare HNM gear exists, so long as I can get it on my own or in smaller groups. Such as, if they made a Trial of Magian of the gear that drops from the HNM (same name or a different name matters not to me) with the exact same stats, then I'm okay with it.

Granted, if it was rare, it would need to require a lot of work outside of the lucky drop. That way lottery, competitive people are happy, and unlucky, slow-but-steady people such as myself are happy too.

I didn't like the HNM era because I couldn't obtain a lot of amazing gear. If it was obtainable in my own sense of the definition, then I'd be okay with other people obtaining it in their preferred way.

[Demon6324236]

I love when the king camping crowd tries to act like Kings or any of that stuff was at all difficult after 2006~
The only hard part was getting claim, which they used bots for, then they felt superior to everyone else and could block them from being able to do content. That is what this arguement is really about. People who paid lots of money for bots are mad they cant use those bots to get stuff no one else can get anymore.

I would agree with you except... if this was the case they would not offer a compromise. With the compromise they cant get things no one else can anyways, so it makes no sense they would propose it. This is the only reason I assume they are actually just wanting the NMs to camp. It makes no sense to me why they would want it, but with how they talk of it and how this idea is offered it seems the only logical conclusion, which is they want to camp it, rare gear or not.

[Rosina]

@ afa
do you actually know what is being said in the op? do you understsand the concept of that?

I ask because it seems you skip over the fact that they want LONG spawns rates as in 24 hours cool down with 3+ hr windows after it hits the 24+ hr mark. That means these nms will appear once a day... that leaves A TON of ppl out. Only a select 18 can even remotely claim this at a decent hour.
I miss out on hnm pops in the 12-20 hr i was awake cuz it always seemed to pop in a time frame where i'm sleeping.

SE changed most of the hnm that fell under such a massive cool down. And even still i know my self and a few others on Lakshmi and odin enjoyed killing hnm just hated the massive restriction that was time. Not all of us want instance fights.

So i ask why do you support this idea when their "fun" which was FULLY Addmited that they want these just to have claim wars. and and fight need not apply. And said claims wars were stupid and drove out community to how it is now.

[Rosina]

ok ima say this once...
" Nobody put a gun on your head and ask you to do the content you don't enjoy, just pick the content you enjoy and avoid the one you don't enjoy, do you have to eliminate everyone that has different opinion as you?"

please stop saying this guys... this is the most idiot reply i keep seeing (not the ppl typing it but the comment in general)

did it ever sink into ur heads that people WANT to do the content, but due to the short sighted suggestions prevent them for doing it.

people are short sighted to how hnm can be spawned, and have been even more suggestions as to spawn them... or have a very very low on the dot cool down. Much like u see in WoW or the synergy nms in ffxi. I would love to see hnm daily and avoid them much like bloodtear baldef back in the day. this was back on my 2hr days.. he would always be up in latheine. and would kill me too.

this game only needs to cater the ffxi playerbase... only the idiots use the segrigation of "hardcore and casual".

[Rosina]

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out of honestly i didn't see the hard core casual fighting bs till the forums were out. this was a complete non issue till then. I was never once called a casual or hardcore in game. Nor did i see myself as such.
we all play at different times of a 24 hr time across 40+ time zones. and for different langths... we don't need petty political style lables.

content is effin content.... should be lucky we are getting content and a new expac with such an old mmo.

instead of fighting over who is good and bad, who is casual or hard core.. just focus on giving feed back and suggestion content that isn't restricted to anyone. We could use some fresh blood in the game with so many mmo failing now or going to free to play, ppl need a good sturdy mmo to go to. I just want fun content i can form a party for and go to fight... no time systen restrictions. pref in the open world. too much content now is solo , solo , solo.. if i wanted to play solo... is be on skyrim. i play mmo for the grouping.

[mikeh]

My mannequin wore my Dalmatica after I retired RDM which is most likely before you started playing, thanks. And I wasnt pretending to not know, I was illustrating that I wasnt positive if that was the name and server, because its been awhile and I didnt want to say something and have been wrong. My gear is better than yours now too, wanna compare?



I dunno who that is, sorry.



You should probably avoid pointing people to your website, that front picture of Odin II shows exactly what Im talking about with your LS.
I decided to be nice and removed the name, but ya, this is on your front page. GG Mr. Nohaxx


EDIT: And ya, Im a hater, and I especially hate that for awhile, I was forced to hang out with an LS full of bad players simply because there was 1 item I wanted I couldnt get in any other LS.

I'd love to know where you get your information from. Care to tell us?

Also, if i wanted to be warrior only and have no utility what-so-ever, I'd probably get kicked for being a waste of a linkshell slot.

Let's see your drk, sam, drg, rdm, whm, brd, mnk, rng and pld sets then.

[Rosina]

I'd love to know where you get your information from. Care to tell us?

Also, if i wanted to be warrior only and have no utility what-so-ever, I'd probably get kicked for being a waste of a linkshell slot.

Let's see your drk, sam, drg, rdm, whm, brd, mnk, rng and pld sets then.

you do realise ur are making urself look guilty by bringing in a petty fight about something that has nothing to do with said accusation..
if u guys are free of guilt.... act like it.. not pull out the bully card.

if ur soo innocent avt like it... so far your proving otherwise. ur trying to change the subject.

[Zerich]

/em grabs the popcorn.