[Suggestion] Ability to change race.

First off MMo with tons of options and less restrictions tend to get customers. People see games as games, and more freedom more likely they choose said mmo. Why do you think WoW is popular? Its one of the less restrictive mmo out there. Second, devs do not have a "budget" they put in mmo over its lifetime and can add this option w/o sacrifice. And you can't say it doesn't add to the game when it does to other people who want this option.

As for which mmo already do this?
World of warcraft for starters has both name change server change and race change, as well as ingame barber shops to remake said character in a simple sence of look. I've played serveral MUD by Iron realms entertainment. MUD are text based mmo played on the browser. These games let you race change with in the game itself and adds a layer to the game play.
Aion allows it because they are trying to get people to play asmodian for some odd reason, no one likes playing that race and game suffered from it.

Making a second post my appologies.

Second post to soley talk to kristal

I'm unsure how long you have played ffxi. But there is way more tgo the game then level cap and abyssea. There you need to rebuild fame, re do chocobo quest which is a 4-6 hour quest. Redo rank missions, redo mog house upgrades, redo goblin bag quests, af, advance jobs dark might i add is a pain to do 6 times. Regetting certain nm drops. re doing all of the mog trials.
So what your saying is just because you personally see no point, you feel a player should suffer through all of that just because they want to play a tarutaru instead or w/e race they want to change to.

This game is not all that forgiving when it comes to re-rolling your character. Trust me I did it over 70 times like I mentioned. Everyone against this idea... please do what you preach. Make 30 mules and do everything over with each, this includes getting every map, max fame in every nation, having all spells for all jobs and getting rank 10 in every nation and unlocking every job. Do every story line.

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Originally Posted by Kristal

Don't forget that it also COSTS money to make and maintain. For an essentially one-time feature that adds nothing to gameplay and is of no value to the majority of the playerbase.

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The first sentence is fine, but what proof do you have for the second one? Have you taken a poll of the playerbase or are you just projecting your ideas onto them.

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Originally Posted by Rosina

Second post to soley talk to kristal

I'm unsure how long you have played ffxi. But there is way more tgo the game then level cap and abyssea. There you need to rebuild fame, re do chocobo quest which is a 4-6 hour quest. Redo rank missions, redo mog house upgrades, redo goblin bag quests, af, advance jobs dark might i add is a pain to do 6 times. Regetting certain nm drops. re doing all of the mog trials.
So what your saying is just because you personally see no point, you feel a player should suffer through all of that just because they want to play a tarutaru instead or w/e race they want to change to.

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I'm an US-import EU-player with original install discs for all expansions. Guess how long I've played...

Most of what you mention can be done solo in little time, especially if you use a speed guide and don't bother with the useless stuff. The rest can be done with a friend or two. You only need minimal ranks and such, NM drops and most gear can be dboxed within an account, etc. Most time is probably taken up by skills and spells.
And all that 'suffering' is because you decided that after x years, you're tired of that tail or yet another galkan ass you fleed into.

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Originally Posted by Rosina

This game is not all that forgiving when it comes to re-rolling your character. Trust me I did it over 70 times like I mentioned. Everyone against this idea... please do what you preach. Make 30 mules and do everything over with each, this includes getting every map, max fame in every nation, having all spells for all jobs and getting rank 10 in every nation and unlocking every job. Do every story line.

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With all due respect, but you are a freak :D And I got 5 mules, several of which have been upgraded for storage, crafting or easy access to materials. (Try running a lvl 1 through caederva mire past imps ;D)

Blizzard I can see adding class change to WoW, because let's face it, they got 10M players to lure to their cash shops, merchandise, etc. They'll do anything to milk that cashcow!
SE has some more backbone there. They'll generally stick to THEIR idea of how the game should work, and only started looking at player input very recently. (Acting upon player suggestions is another matter.)

But really, there's no point in further argueing, since we're not going to change our opinion.

The only thing I would be interested in, is how much people would realistically be willing to pay for such a race change. Such changes in WoW (or WKC) aren't cheap. Given the apparent importance and impact on the game, how would $100 sounds for a full reroll? $50 for race change, $35 for gender change, $15 for face+size change. With a 30-day one-time revert option if it just doesn't feel right, for free!

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Originally Posted by Kristal

I'm an US-import EU-player with original install discs for all expansions. Guess how long I've played...

Most of what you mention can be done solo in little time, especially if you use a speed guide and don't bother with the useless stuff. The rest can be done with a friend or two. You only need minimal ranks and such, NM drops and most gear can be dboxed within an account, etc. Most time is probably taken up by skills and spells.
And all that 'suffering' is because you decided that after x years, you're tired of that tail or yet another galkan ass you fleed into.

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Why would they not charge a fee that allowed them to turn a profit off of this (or just do it for free depending how easy it is to implement)? Why would I want to do all that crap when I could just pay a fee and switch?

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Originally Posted by Kristal

The only thing I would be interested in, is how much people would realistically be willing to pay for such a race change. Such changes in WoW (or WKC) aren't cheap. Given the apparent importance and impact on the game, how would $100 sounds for a full reroll? $50 for race change, $35 for gender change, $15 for face+size change. With a 30-day one-time revert option if it just doesn't feel right, for free!

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Those prices are probably double what they would have to be to turn a profit, but consider how much money would be made if every one in the game just did one of those things once...ever...

$15 * 250,000 players = $3,750,000 (I hear devs get paid well at SE, but I highly doubt they could spend anywhere near this amount on making it work)

Now I know what people are going to say: "Yeah, but not everyone is gonna want to do that!"

Keep in mind though that some people have multiple accounts, and other people would probably do it as frequently they can. It would have to be incredibly poorly implemented in order to not turn a profit. Never mind the fact that it adds another degree of freedom to the game.

I think a more realistic figure would be 10% of players (for just a face change). $375.000 that would need to cover development time, support, interface changes/website changes. And that money is the expected total amount. You might get half of that within a few months after the introduction.

Also keep in mind that SE doesn't have infinite manpower and resources to spend on an aging game. Add this, and something else gets delayed that benefits all players.

............No.

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Originally Posted by Kristal

I think a more realistic figure would be 10% of players (for just a face change). $375.000 that would need to cover development time, support, interface changes/website changes. And that money is the expected total amount. You might get half of that within a few months after the introduction.

Also keep in mind that SE doesn't have infinite manpower and resources to spend on an aging game. Add this, and something else gets delayed that benefits all players.

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That $375,000 is based off of only %10 of players wanting to do this, that they never do it again, and that they only choose the cheapest service you listed. And even then... how much do you think they would actually pay a guy who couldn't implement these sorts of things in a timely fashion?

Realistically, there are tons of people who would change race because they are stuck on something that made sense X years ago, and doesn't fit them anymore. There are tons of people who named their character something funny like "iclubbabyseals" not realizing that 5 years later they would still be playing this game, and feel too invested to delete that guy. There are a million other reasons, but really... a lot of people would do these things just for a change. Saying that only 10% of players would do a name / face / race / gender change is really lowballing, and it still wouldn't make this unprofitable.

No, that 10% includes flippers. The more expensive options would see even less demand, 10% of the next cheaper option, so you'd be lucky getting to $500.000. A lot of money for you, but pennies for SE. Merely a fraction of a single monthly income, but spread out over a year.

Oh, and guess what... Remora has a Iclubbabyseals

While Kristal seems to have all the answers already, perhaps SE should still at least look into the potential costs, technical feasibility, and player desire just to make sure their numbers match. Nothing wrong with a second opinion is there? It's nothing personal against the first careful, professional analysis, but let's be absolutely sure before we toss the idea out completely.

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Originally Posted by Kristal

No, that 10% includes flippers. The more expensive options would see even less demand, 10% of the next cheaper option, so you'd be lucky getting to $500.000. A lot of money for you, but pennies for SE. Merely a fraction of a single monthly income, but spread out over a year.

Oh, and guess what... Remora has a Iclubbabyseals

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They built entire expansions that carry a one time fee of $10. Hell, you can buy the whole game for like $14.99. I'd say making 10% of the people happy is a pretty good chunk considering the responses they get about stuff that they are not charging additional fees for. And again, I think your pulling that 10% number out of your whoo hoo.

I remember Iclubbabyseals from hades. Wonder if it's the same guy.

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Originally Posted by Kristal

No, that 10% includes flippers. The more expensive options would see even less demand, 10% of the next cheaper option, so you'd be lucky getting to $500.000. A lot of money for you, but pennies for SE. Merely a fraction of a single monthly income, but spread out over a year.

Oh, and guess what... Remora has a Iclubbabyseals

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You can buy the game with every expansion available here in the UK for £17.99 on steam. That's a fixed price, SE will only make more money if that person continues to play. What other options does SE have except world transfers and a security token? Nothing.

Giving users the ability to change there race will help bring in more income for the game, no matter how little the price is or how often you can change your race.

lol why do pple think this is even hard to implement honestly it's no less difficult to do than world transfer (aka via a automated system) and they have pple maintaining that so could put with that easily.

Also i'm pretty sure it could be done via an in game NPC since it's only changing 1 value of a chars data... honestly if people can't see that this is EASY to implement there dumb.

Honestly i feel it should be done (not that i'd use it) it's just something SE could do easily and customers are waving money at them for it but SE has a habit of refusing money off us.

I just wish someone with higher authority would take a look at this suggestion and give us some answers or even ask some questions them self.

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Originally Posted by Kristal

Don't forget that it also COSTS money to make and maintain. For an essentially one-time feature that adds nothing to gameplay and is of no value to the majority of the playerbase. It won't bring in new players by the thousands or even dozens.

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This is true of EVERYTHING. Do you think that 100% of the player base are blm? or smn? or pup? Do you think that 100% use chocobos? That 100% go to dynamis? or Salvage? Etc....

Everything costs money and everything is only used by a portion of the player base that is often far less than 25%. At the same time, SE has not told us what it would costs, but the most likely cost will be much less than $50. And guess what? Players would pay that. So this is a non-issue.

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Originally Posted by Kristal

On the other hand, leveling a mule or even a new account is going to bring in guaranteed revenue. Every month. And no problems with change regret or malicious changes by (ex-)friends.

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Your argument is this: by making the customer unhappy by not providing the service they WANT...we will force them to do a lot more work to get what they want, which will make us happy. This is a good way to lose customers. This is a good way to NOT get repeat business from existing customers. This is a good way to cement an image that you are a company unwilling to address serious customer issues.

This is what AT&T used to do when they owned the entire telephone system in the United States. They only gave customers 1 color of phone, they forced them to pay high long distance charges to talk to their distant relatives and the refused to listen to complaints. Guess what? As soon as customers had a choice, AT&T lost a giant chunk of their lifelong customers just because other phone companies were willing to let customers make a simple change. Sprint, MCI, Nextel, Verizon, etc are made up of tens of millions of former AT&T customers who had enough.

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Originally Posted by Kristal

Some people consider their characters part of themselves, due to the time they spent on developing it. Others treat it as a piece of clothing that can be swapped as needed.

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Interesting, but not relevant. The issue is whether SE cares enough about people that use it's product to enable them to have a simple change, not for free, but that they will pay for.

Think AT&T and the black phones.....and how happy people were to leave AT&T to get another phone with a different color.

~Having one accounts~
$12.95 a Month.
$155.40 a Year.
Adding $2.00 a month for two mules, $179.40 a Year.
8 Years paid, $1,435.20.

~Having two accounts~
$25.90 a Month.
$310.80 a Year.
Adding $4.00 a Month for four mules, $358.80 a Year.
8 Years paid, $2,870.40.

~Having three accounts~
$38.85 a Month.
$466.20 a Year.
Adding $6.00 a Month for six mules, $430.80 a Year.
8 Years paid, $3,446.40.

Square Enix still charging full price for an outdated game and haven't added much for content, priceless.

If they added this then there wouldn't be many taru, as they would all change to humans probably cause they are the superior race.

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Originally Posted by Krashport

~Having one accounts~
$12.95 a Month.
$155.40 a Year.
Adding $2.00 a month for two mules, $179.40 a Year.
8 Years paid, $1,435.20.

Square Enix still charging full price for an outdated game and haven't added much for content, priceless.

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LOL if your think FFXI is expensive don't play

MMOs are a very cheap source of entertainment here's what $13 could of got me other wise...

A (small) round of drink... (3-20 mins)
Going to the cinema... (2-3 hours)
Some cheap indy game (1-30 hours)
Renting some DVDs/Films (6-10 hours)
A month of FFXI (if i play say 4 hours a day) (120 hours)

So yea if you acully play FFXI it's worth the money.


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On topic Race change is probably as difficult as a job change

Think about it

Race change would have issues with Race specific equips.
Job changes deal with Job specific equips by degearing a player

Race changes would have issues with race specific quests.
Job specific quests require you to be on the job it involves to start them

It would not be difficult to implement this at all, its just changing a value on a spreadsheet its really not difficult, may contain a few problems with PM8-3 but that is all

Ok K-stal (too tired to care.)
First off i'm no freek. But I and most ppl I talk to, play ffxi on the whole. Not do 10% of it. Even still, I restarted 13 times with in this week alone. Chocobo quest after 40+ times is annoying as heck. Having to wait to re-earn a high amount of stone for abyssea is a pain in the butt. Monk belt quests require tenshodo fame which is still a pain the the butt. The only quest this effects is the level 30-50 RSE gear from the golbin shop.

A quest they can easily change or have it be repeatable. Infact you can actually buy this gear, so doing the quest is more for fun/free gear. But again K-stal you can't say jack outside your own opinion. Not be the "voice" of others. How do you know the cost won't be justified. I know ppl on WoW change race every chance they get. Infact you can change from horde to allince as long as said race has the class you got. And that game has race specific mounts which get changed. They even changed it so races can have any mount.

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Originally Posted by Cahlum

It would not be difficult to implement this at all, its just changing a value on a spreadsheet its really not difficult, may contain a few problems with PM8-3 but that is all

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I know they're different games, but WoW's race change will automatically change faction (their version of fame) and racial mounts to the appropriate counterparts for the new race. I wonder if it would really be that hard for SE to similarly exchange RSE items or race specific key items for their counterparts.

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Originally Posted by Camiie

I know they're different games, but WoW's race change will automatically change faction (their version of fame) and racial mounts to the appropriate counterparts for the new race. I wonder if it would really be that hard for SE to similarly exchange RSE items or race specific key items for their counterparts.

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A simple NPC somewhere in-game would be perfect.

This NPC will act as a RSE exchanger. For example, I'm a hume and I race changed to a Elvaan. I would trade any RSE I have for hume and they will give you the option to obtain the same gear but for a different race. You'll select the race you are from a drop down menu.

only way i would ever want this to happen is if SE were to add two more races to the game to choose from which they wont ever do

There is a lot more involved other then RSE "Gear" that would/will effect the game concerning race changing, as to effecting your race you picked just to name a few some Quests, Food effects, CoP missions. I'm sure there is more but am to lazy to really look them up.

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Originally Posted by Rosina

Even still, I restarted 13 times with in this week alone.

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I have to say that I think this is not even close to a common practice.
Why in the name of Altana would you want to do that? Ø_̉Ø

I am sure you are not the only one, not saying that, but I doubt that it is really common at all.
If I imagine starting over 13 times within a week, even though it would be really easy to stay busy all that time, one would probably not accomplish too much within that time yet.
I'd understand the grief of starting anew after playing for years, or even months, as the same character but well, it has been very easy for me to be happy with the character I created in the start, in any game, so I will likely never fully understand the want for this.

Borrowing Yoshi-P's words (or whoever crafted them):

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We've had a ton of requests for race changes, so I'm thinking that it's a good idea. But are you all really okay with gender? For example, if your friend changes his gender, that may be quite shocking. System-wise it's no problem at all, so it's really up to you. It's not like you have to change gender if you don't want to, so please let me know your feedback.

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As I said before, this is of course not about FFXI.
I wanted to quote it since I mentioned it earlier and found it later (or at least I think this is what I was thinking then).

I think my point is, if there is any, if repeating quests is annoying, why do it?
Is sticking to the one character really the greater evil?

Perhaps get two or more computers (or consoles if you must prefer that) set up and play more than one characters at a time, if you can afford it. That way you would have more variance at all times so perhaps you wouldn't get so bored so fast. >:Ð

By the by, I mean no disrespect at all, I'm merely interested what makes one really want to do this so often.
I mean I can imagine getting bored at something and/or not liking it as much after a while, in other words, a change of mind, but I really doubt this happens that much. There are probably more of those that have older characters but I personally grow attached to them more than bored.

Of course there are those that buy their accounts and characters with them and thus would like to change them... I doubt they would be vocal about it, heh, and yes, that is of course a violation of the User Agreement, ToS, et cetera.


Anywho, welcome back~
It's nice to see you posting again, Rosina. ^^

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Originally Posted by Krashport

Square Enix still charging full price for an outdated game and haven't added much for content, priceless.

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Being virtualy tied for number 1, is by no means outdated. Nor is $12.95 a month high.

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Originally Posted by Rosina

I know ppl on WoW change race every chance they get. Infact you can change from horde to allince as long as said race has the class you got.

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This is a realy stupid argument. WoW dose get to change race, but they's because every expansion they add has 1-4 new races in it. That has nothing to do with a game that more finite in this aspect. This is a game were you're stuck with the job you chose too instead of having 20 you can switch too whenever you want.

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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

WoW dose get to change race, but they's because every expansion they add has 1-4 new races in it. That has nothing to do with a game that more finite in this aspect. This is a game were you're stuck with the job you chose too instead of having 20 you can switch too whenever you want.

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Burning Crusade added 2 races. Lich King added 0. Cataclysm added 2. Pandaria will add 1. Not all races can be all classes so even if they do add a new race there's no guarantee that you'll even be able to change to the new race. They didn't add race change because of new races. They added it for the same reason SE should. It was a service their customers wanted and something felt they could make money on.

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Originally Posted by Camiie

With that line of thinking the transsexual "argument" you made becomes even more irrelevant (if that's even possible).

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I'm simply stating why SE won't allow it, not agreeing with it (why do people assume that when you state why something will or won't happen it means you agree with it?). Remember that in Japan sex change operations are actually illegal. If they said they would not allow same sex marriages because they wanted to avoid controversy, they certainly aren't going to allow sex changes either. I suppose they could just block off Galka and Mithra to female or Male characters of other races though.

This for example:

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are you all really okay with gender? For example, if your friend changes his gender, that may be quite shocking.

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Not a big deal to us, but apparently it is a big deal to Japanese people to the point that they are worried about freaking people out by changing the gender of some pixels.

I do it out of ADD. Getting the right name/race/look is hard for me. Sometimes it was due to unintentionally causing drama and wanted a fresh start. But really, other games have this feather and some I stated are STRICK on being in character, they just added lore to back it up. WoW rewritten their lore over several times and do have rponly (lol) servers. ffxi is very restrictive in their character designs and sorta wish they gave you more options. I also switched because my character selection was too popular. mithra face 6 is too over used.

there is no good agument against this option, just a bunch of ppl qqing over change.... who should talk... leech much? oh wait...

to add. the whole "japanese anti sex change" is flawed..... watch anime >.>;;; tokyo godfathers has a drag queen who was openly gay. infact they have a whole scene in a drag queen bar. Plus was watching joe dirt yesterday and a line spade tells kicking wing "it is not what ypu like, it is the like of the consumer"

it is not hard to put these in video games. Its really all code. Making a game from the ground up is harder. But honestly, redoing quests and stpries all cuz ur bored of a look is pretty dumb. More so now a days where ppl make excuses not to help. And you can't solo everything. "oh i did x for x years helping ppl i'm tired of it." I had an LS mate bluntly say 2-3 dragon was beneath him, because getting there sucks. Talk like that drives ppl from mmo. Shouldn't say that stuff.

I don't think Yoshi (or who ever that quote was from) was worried about people being offended by the shock of a character changing from male to female. I'm pretty sure he was commenting on how strange it would be to find out that super cool LS leader or cool guy friend of yours actually wants to be a chick.

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find out that super cool LS leader or cool guy friend of yours actually wants to be a chick.

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I don't think Yoshi (or who ever that quote was from) was worried about people being offended by the shock of a character changing from male to female. I'm pretty sure he was commenting on how strange it would be to find out that super cool LS leader or cool guy friend of yours actually wants to be a chick.

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It was yoshida, it was more of a joke comment based in role play. I remember when he wrote that. It was more of a joke based from the english translater then yoshida. Sometimes the translaters slip a lil of themselves into his letters to the customers. Anything, it was more based on role play. Since in mmo we communicate through our characters/avatars/toons, it might be strange to get to know one avatar they change race/gender and your roegadyn buddy now a female miqo'te. But incidently come ps3 release they revamping their customization adding is the "missing" genders. And chances are will allow recustomization options.

Not to go more off-topic, more, I don't think I would even compare this to Anime.
Because you know, everything and anything goes there... a lot more than just 'drag' and 'gay' and whatnot. ^^;

Moreover the posts were more about actual sex-changes, I think, not about dressing up as the opposite sex which by the way is what probably most of FFXI players already do hahaha! Yes.
No! I am not comparing 'drag' to having a mithra or other female character while you're male, so keep yer pants on... or what ever.

Phew, that was a close one.
Let's never go there again!

This all got me into thinking of how America has been the one to censor video-games especially from Japan (latest that comes in mind is 'Tera', or whatever it was/is?), and have been censoring them from ever since Famicom/NES times, or even before that.
This game is already world-wide (more or less) by default, so I don't think they're thinking just Japan when they do these decisions. Or maybe they do. This all might very well be irrelevant and in the end, I don't see much of an argument against this here, in this thread. No, they're not against it per se, they're more like thoughts on why they probably wouldn't do it.

So anime, censoring, cultural differences, other games and everything left aside, thinking of some of the reasons why they might not do it.

• Just because other games do it, doesn't mean FFXI does.
• They might not do it just because they don't want to.
• It wouldn't make sense.
• It would be too much work to adjust quests and other content.
• Finding balance between the tails of galka and mithra would be too difficult at this time.
• PS2-limitations. /grin

And why they might do it.

• New source of income from the fees attached.
• It would make some players happy.
• Because they can.

Did I miss anything?

To make it clear, I am not against this.
However I would not benefit from it either (one might argue that more funds for the game would benefit me but for the time being, I have hard time believing in anything like that). I would really not care either way. If you want a sex-, or race-change, knock yourself out, literally. No, don't do that... I mean goferit ! !! !

I just don't see it happening, though.
Everything is possible, of course. There is a game that introduced name and sex change services rather late and I have to admit, it did spoil some of the 'mood' or 'feel' of the game in my opinion. Then again, the community itself changed a lot around that time as well so in the end, it didn't even matter any longer.
Also there are only 4 'jobs' which you can never change... not that it makes any difference; just sayin'.

Comparing the game to other games in this sense just does not work, I think. As I have mentioned, it's a lot more probable to see them make it so that you are able to change the hairdo, and perhaps face even, by completing some sort of a quest for Brygid for example, but really, a change of race? I just can't see it.

But only time will tell.
Are you there to listen?


Just thinking 'out-loud', and nothing here is directed towards any one person, really! ^^

Now I have a fish to catch.
Blubb.

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to add. the whole "japanese anti sex change" is flawed..... watch anime >.>;;; tokyo godfathers has a drag queen who was openly gay. infact they have a whole scene in a drag queen bar

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Yes, cross dressing is fairly well accepted, sex changes are not. That's why Poison (Final Fight, Street Fighter III, Steet Fighter X Tekken) is a "newhalf" (a man who takes female hormones and dresses and lives as a woman) in Japan and a transsexual in the west. Some even block their puberty and start on female hormones in their early teens so that they develop female secondary sex characteristics and skeletal development. But most would never even consider an operation to whack off their parts.

Or as Moviebob might put it:

JAPAN.. IS.. WEEEEIIIIRRRRRD!

i was more talking about a cetrtain type of "anime". With certain say.... potions that change certain things about people. Hard to really explain with out being censored. But people rarely mix business with beliefs due to the nature of each country being different. Only when dealing with a country like china who is communist, then it gets changed so the game is able to be sold there.

But in reality making character customization have ties with sex changing is a bad anology, or reason not to do it, or assume they can't. Since its a video game and not reality, and changing your race don't mean changing your gender unless you choose to. But as someone pointed out your character is not you. Just a tool used to have an ID with in the realm of the game to communicate with.

What i find hilarious, is so many are against this a basic freedom. Which does not effect anyone but the person who does it. Yet.... stuff like leeching which actually does effect others is actually fought over tooth and nail to be allowed.

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Originally Posted by Rosina

changing your race don't mean changing your gender

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This is not actually true for mithra and galka.

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Originally Posted by Atomic_Skull

This is not actually true for mithra and galka.

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Keeping in mind that for galka, this would mean GAINING a gender. >.>

The amount of stupidity on both sides of this argument is mind boggling...

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Originally Posted by Brolic

for the 90th time cant be done\wont be done. you might get a sex\face change

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Your stupid if you think you cannot do it. All it takes is them to change what Dat is linked with your account. it's more the case as they don't want to. Get it right prz!