Aht Urhgan Beastmen Leaders, Beseiged & mythic weapon quest problem

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Originally Posted by Kincard

It's funny to think that back in the 75 days if you wanted to be an agent of chaos you'd run into a troll besieged and nuke Garfurlur with huge nukes as often as possible to make him regain a bunch of HP and anger a bunch of people that very likely would never have killed him.

Nowadays I've seen entire linkshells try to do it just to make sure he doesn't die.

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Well, they're trying to make sure it will be up later for them to fight at Halvung. Working as intended, I suppose....
Not that I agree with the way that part of the game is set up but we have to adapt to whatever is thrown at us, no ? Fair game in a sense ... lol

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Originally Posted by Zarchery

Lotta good solutions to this problem. The whole problem is caused by the level cap increase. Back in the 75 cap days, killing the Beastman leaders was almost unheard of. I remember you'd get dozens and dozens of people chipping away at one of them but never getting the guy below 95%. The only time I ever saw Gulool Ja Ja defeated during the 75 cap days was during a fight with 700 people in the zone. Nowadays with a level 99 cap and more common relic and empyrean weapons, the Beastmen leaders only seem to survive if the rest of the army retreats before the players get a chance to kill him or her.

So definitely either make the Beastman leaders stronger in Besieged, or decouple their Besieged death from their spawn at their home, or shorten their respawn to 1 hour, or make them force spawn, or whatever. But definitely not the status quo.

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You're probably talking about NA community ? I remember the VU they were introduced ; I was looking for the KI to get to the astral candy BCNM and checked many JPs with the title on them. This was well before mythic were introduced.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Spawn timer reduction for Gulool Ja Ja, Gurfurlur the Menacing, and Medusa you say? In addition to these three baddies, we are actually looking into reducing the spawn time for all HNMs! The idea is to give you all more opportunities to fight these elusive, notorious enemies.

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More than 2 years later. It's impossible to see these NMs now, especially on siren. They keep getting killed in besieged. I've been standing around in the strongholds, waiting and waiting. Asking people to not kill these NMs in besieged doesn't work. Noone works together, everyone is just out for themselves in besieged. Please address this! I want to start my Mythic and I can't because of these Titles. Untie them from besieged! They're soloable in besieged so it only takes 1 person to reset the respawn time to 72 hours. I don't know if you've ever stared at a computer screen for 72 hours or not, but it's pretty brutal. Then 2 days into the window a new besieged pops up and it gets killed again. There's nothing challenging about this part of the mythic. Luck does not = challenge. Luck based content doesn't make the game fun or challenging, it makes it annoying. You want your players to stick around? Make the game fun with challenges not luck based trial and error, please. :D

Agreed we need changes to these. I am making my RDM Mythic and I can not get these NMs, we should not be restricted to a post-update rush to attempt to get them as our only possible means in which to have a good chance at it, this issue, as well as the issue of Mythics being as difficult as they are in the first place with everything else you have to do, should not be an issue at this point, it should have been resolved by now!

The spawn system for these HNMs is tied closely to the Besieged system, so it will take a little bit of time to accomplish; however, I just wanted to give you an update that these changes are still indeed planned! We’ll make an announcement at a later time as to the specific adjustment content as well as when it will be addressed.

Gulool Ja Ja has to be the worst, but there's a way around it that a friendly player clued me in on: If he appears in Besieged (and here's the important bit) WHETHER HE'S DEFEATED OR NOT under the current game mechanics he will appear in Mamook precisely 1 hour after Besieged ends.

Over a period of three months, myself and friends camped him (behind his door) to no avail. One day I got lucky and the Mamool Ja attacked while I was able to play [read: not at work], I beat feet to Mamook and waited. Sure enough, exactly 1 hour later, whamo! He appeared with his retainers. Finally got my last Beast King kill - his chestplate will forever remain in my Storage as a trophy of the frustration he caused.

The other two are stupidly easy to get. Gurfurlur is nearly always up, as is Medusa - at least on Ragnarok. I'm not certain if the respawn mechanic is the same for them, as they were simple to check off my kill list.

Hope this helps anyone still trapped on "An Imperial Heist" - Good luck!

So in Bahamut Gulool Ja Ja was killed about three days ago JST 2230. Besiege popped today for Mamool Ja salvages a group including myself went out to his throne room and waited. Lv.1~4 No pop Lv.5~8 No pop an hour plus after the Besiege was over and still nothing. How long was this bad code implemented and why this hasn't been fixed a while ago. It doesnt feel good to waste hours camping something isn't going to pop when its suppose to. Wish I could get back the time I wasted standing there with nothing to punch ><

Let us farm a KI or the Keys actually triggering a BCNM or something to force pop this. Just horrible! And as horrible as this may be I have to still suck it up and go back there when I can and hope the SE gods give back the life to JAJA so that I can enjoy taking it away.

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Originally Posted by Hvinire

The spawn system for these HNMs is tied closely to the Besieged system, so it will take a little bit of time to accomplish; however, I just wanted to give you an update that these changes are still indeed planned! We’ll make an announcement at a later time as to the specific adjustment content as well as when it will be addressed.

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Maybe you guys are overcomplicating this? Just forget about the current spawn system, and leave it as is. On top of that, put a duplicate of each of these NMs in some other spot elsewhere in their respective zones, but make these new ones force pop. Allow killing either version to give you the title you need for your Mythic.

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Originally Posted by Zarchery

Maybe you guys are overcomplicating this? Just forget about the current spawn system, and leave it as is. On top of that, put a duplicate of each of these NMs in some other spot elsewhere in their respective zones, but make these new ones force pop. Allow killing either version to give you the title you need for your Mythic.

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A very simple solution, just gotta figure out these things:

The item needed to pop them
Where to get the item
Where to put the pop site

I just cant... I have ADHD only with this game. I felt like I wasted my monthly payment just waiting on Ja Ja. Now the Maintenance has restarted his respawn time. So I have to wait another 24hrs~48hrs~360hrs from maintenance just to get lucky if he would even spawn. Doesn't matter if they are closely tied to Besiege. Obviously it isn't if the NMs aren't spawning the way they need to.

Take out the old spawning protocol (lv.1~4-hour after lv.8) and just have us use the same keys we already have to farm and used them at their thorn door for a BCNM fight and call it a day. Can even adjust its lvl back to the way it was back at lv.75. You are already trying to make us run through old content again to get new gear so I have no idea whats the problem.

I am guessing that there isn't enough people complaining for things to be fixed at haste.

I will be leaving his thorn and farm his key(s) again and hope that people on Bahamut be nice enough to wait for people to zone in when it pops. Thanks again.

Oh SE ...

So I just spent 2 days since last maint camping Ja Ja .....unable to do any of the update as of yet....

And now another maint.... 2 days wasted!

Add the title to besieged mobs independent of it being killed outside or make iit a standard 21-24hours hell even make a bcnm with the mobs insde! anything!

If this was the only part to getting a mythic fair enough... but its such a block near the very start...

I feel you Rainehx. After the first update normally it would spawn right after an hour or 24 hrs..... guess what It didnt do either or for me. I logged off and went to sleep (Because thats what normal people do) to come back and get tells that a group killed it. Basically the updated ended about 1:55pm EST then didnt pop until 445am tuesday early morning. I kept going back to see if it would pop and nothing. Then Maintenance two happen and been out here up until today. Besiege popped lv.1~4 (nothing) lv.5~8 (nothing) had someone in besiege to look to see if Gulool Ja Ja popped (nothing) waited out here for another hour after besiege (nothing).

If this wasnt the only weapon that PUP really benefits from I would had just said F it and never EVER touch this stupid quest again. You guys put all the energy and effort on putting new things in the game but cant fix something major as this. I do believe you are ignoring this issue because there isnt many people who would bother with a mythic when you can pretty much buy your way through everything on relics and emps. Which for me I dont care about Relics and Emps cause again EMP was nothing special for PUP and there is no RELIC weapon for PUP. I do play other jobs but I dont care about getting relic and emps for them.

So summing everything up:

Stood logged on since TOD up until today 6:21pm

<Bahamut>
Monday <no spawn> <FEB 17, 2014> <update>
Gulool Ja Ja TOD Tuesday 04:45AM EST <FEB 18, 2014>
Wednesday <no respawn> <FEB 19, 2014> <so call emergency update> <no spawn again>
Thursday <no respawn> <FEB 20, 2014>
Friday <no respawn> <FEB 21, 2014>

Can I get credit back into my account please with the title? Thank you >_>

Your right, im not sure they do care.

Anyhow now been there since the first update on monday.. 5 days....there goes the 24hrs after maint myth... theres almost a full ali here waiting so its not just me and ive missed it...

With so many things added to the game to make things easier, im shocked
Nothing still done to toau...

Coz I so enjoy standing in mamook over playing the new content from the patch ><

Cmon SE... not asking for the kill to be easy... just dont waste weeks of peoples time with out dated pop conditions.

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Originally Posted by Rainehx

Your right, im not sure they do care.

Anyhow now been there since the first update on monday.. 5 days....there goes the 24hrs after maint myth... theres almost a full ali here waiting so its not just me and ive missed it...

With so many things added to the game to make things easier, im shocked
Nothing still done to toau...

Coz I so enjoy standing in mamook over playing the new content from the patch ><

Cmon SE... not asking for the kill to be easy... just dont waste weeks of peoples time with out dated pop conditions.

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All of Aht Urghan is like the neglected stepchild. No Fields/Grounds of Valor, no proto-waypoints, no Records of Eminence. It's like SE forgot it was there.

LMAO Im still here; and if I can out wait a Japanese Player who is a BST you know there is something really wrong. I started to calculate the two times that I missed Ja Ja and got the following... Basically by super unluck chance he popped a Week from his time of death... A WEEK!
Now where is the crappy comment to "the kings are very tied in to Besiege" That just tells me that the person who made that comment has no damn clue of what they are talking about. It doesn't take a super coder to fix a cheap bug like that.

How would you like it if I put you in a room without anything in it and gave you working hours but with no pay? Having you wake up every hour to check if the NM popped because theres no other way to do it, having other people log in for you so you dont miss it and have them lose sleep as well... Thats just wrong, but you are quick to take our money >_> stop being lazy and fix it already.


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1 hour away from 7 days O_O

7 Days in this room....Ugh. I feel like im in jail, however ive no idea what ive done!

I know complaining is futile, by the time anything is patched ill have the kills.

Still... ugh.

Yeah, In a few hours it will be officially 7 days for me. Imma keep complaining whether they fix it or not. They are quick to take your monthly Fees so we have every right to complain. They've been doing quick 10min emergency updates on certain areas for new content but they cant fix the time for pop. Do I need to get one of my coding friends here and right out a code on respawning ><

We are not like the other people complaining how it takes this long to make this and that, we just want the stupid respawn time to be accurate. is that so wrong?

It will take them another 10 years to patch this then blame the PS2 for the limits of this game. Makes me wanna hold the NM for a week and beat it down very slowly... wait for someone to open the door and run kite it around. see how Gulool ja ja would like it waiting for his death.

LOL been so long here that I thought it was March ><

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Feb-25th

JaJa still hasn't shown his face since is TOD on Feb-17th. Never spawned at this throne and never spawned at any of his besiege... But there is no problem with it right? And yes, myself and other players have been monitoring his respawn 24/7 since his last TOD.

Sorry about the double posting but I just wanted to confirm that it takes 7 days for Gulool Ja Ja to respawn. First TOD was Tuesday Feb 17 at 4:45am and spawned today Tuesday Feb 25 at 5:19pm If that isnt broken I dont know what is. Oh and no Besiege was up as well.

Congrats!

Day 8 and still nothing here.

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ARGGHHH windows update booted me while alseep.... guess what happend?

8 days....

Eww take off that auto update restarter; and I am guessing you missed it. I almost missed mine for the third time because I had to get my son from school (SE doesnt believe in family LMAO) he popped right when I left. I was lucky enough to have a good friend that was looking out for the NM for me and logged me in when he saw it. 2 hours later I got back home and saw Gulool on his stage. Oddly enough (and this isnt being racist) JP players knew that Gulool was up without asking if it was. Something looks fishy here because for a few days it was just only me and on the 7th day thats when JP players came a long and this isnt the firs time either.

All in being that I was at it x3 I think imma confirm that Gulool JAJA is a 7 day respawn and about 14hrs after that 7 day TOD. so 1/3 for me and all three times it took 7 days to respawn.

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Originally Posted by Rainehx

Congrats!

Day 8 and still nothing here.

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ARGGHHH windows update booted me while alseep.... guess what happend?

8 days....

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my friend needed 21 days for gulool jaja, work your butt off, because he did it too for a mythic! Like everyone else

or if its that tiresome, stop doing the mythic, problem solved!

Honestly.......
And I say this having coined the saying "you buy a relic, you spend time making an empy, and you sell your soul for a mythic"...
I feel like my statement would still be 100% accurate... If the beastmen leaders worked similarly to their middlelands counterparts: a placeholder NM pop, always either the NM placeholder or the Leader NM.

I want Mythics to demand your soul...
Because that's part of what makes them "mythic".
(Plus it's a lot of effort for a lot of reward, and I like that sort of thing... Really makes you feel like you accomplished something.)

But I see 0 issue with making these NMs have... Less ridiculous spawn timers...

Even making them have a full 100% exactly 24hr since ToD respawn...
You have to do SO friggen much else that it's the difference between 50,000 and 30,000 alexandrites. B)
(And if the relic update is any indication... It's going to be shameful how easy RUN and GEO are gonna be able to get their "mythic-equivalent" 119 weapons... I don't even want to think about how much easier that's gonna be compared to real Mythics.)

The Mythic quest is bad enough, why make the first step so difficult? At least all jobs can wide scan now. If they aren't going to change the spawn conditions, the next step might be to not require those stupid keys.

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Originally Posted by Damane

my friend needed 21 days for gulool jaja, work your butt off, because he did it too for a mythic! Like everyone else

or if its that tiresome, stop doing the mythic, problem solved!

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Way to totally miss the point.

No ones asking for it to be easy, Its just as the other two have proven spawn conditions jaja should aswell not much to ask for something to not be broken.

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Originally Posted by Rainehx

No ones asking for it to be easy

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Personally, I AM asking for it to be easy. It's the first roadblock in the most difficult quest in the game. It should be straightforward to do.

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Originally Posted by Damane

my friend needed 21 days for gulool jaja, work your butt off, because he did it too for a mythic! Like everyone else

or if its that tiresome, stop doing the mythic, problem solved!

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Just because someone has done it does not mean in any way, shape, or form that it is good game design and should remain as it is. I did all 3 of the NMs myself, on 3 different characters, 2 of the NMs I had to do over again for the third, yet even though that is the case and I have no interest in fighting these NMs ever again I am still heavily against letting the content remain as it is currently.

We never asked for it to be easy to obtain and obviously you don't have one if you are mention your friend and not yourself. So until you sit there and camp that Gulool and know how it feels, shut your pie hole :D There is absolutely NO CHALLENGE on waiting for a NM to pop with a broken respawn timer.

Relic Either farm or buy your currency. Either way you're gonna spend some gil on Marrows being that its starting to be rare to obtain being that they arent killing the NM for it often unless you do it yourself.

Emp is meh. I dont mind the lottery pops. I actually enjoyed doing those if I have 5 emps. The pain in the ass part is the HMP and cinders which both are hard to come by on both players and VWNM drops.

Mythic yes! You need to work for that shit:

Captain rank, nyzule 100 floor completion, 30k alex, 150k tokens, 100k Therion icher, a ton of other titles to obtain, blah, blah, blah lol and i dont mind it. Keep everything the way it is just fix stupid Gulool Ja Ja or make it harder by making the three kings BCNM lv.99+

Oh BTW if you want something easy go play WoW or FF14

Get rid of the stupid keys, the stupid respawn timers, the stupid levers and whatever other stupid time-sink barriers they have around the Imperial Heist NMs.

Just make it so you can click a ??? and pop it when you need it or stick them on 1 hour timers.
This isn't a skill issue any more, this is just an ongoing inconvenience by design.
So design it out, like any progressive person/party would.

One simple solution would be to stick a waypoint in the rooms, or a homepoint crystal outside the doors.

What they could do is make forced popped versions that are much higher level and can't be soloed. It'd force people to team up, but not for the really awful part of waiting around.

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Originally Posted by Zarchery

What they could do is make forced popped versions that are much higher level and can't be soloed. It'd force people to team up, but not for the really awful part of waiting around.

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It's an option, but it would have to throw some extra goodies in for good measure.
Most people are fighting these just to get a foot on a very long, very old, very eroded ladder.
I'm not one of these people who believe in propagating the challenge in old content merely for posterity.
If people want to perform amateur dramatics about the importance of a challenge they should focus on the challenge being for the finished product and not the starter.