Blood Weapon: It's really bad.

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Originally Posted by Chriscoffey

Any of the jobs that keep coming in here to tell me over and over again how great dark is should parse against some of us instead of talking jibberish. Quit bandwagon riding the jobs that SE keeps updating with great updates and talking down on us. We got LR and you are right it's a great update but you fail to realize melee have this thing called "good" critical WS that far exceed anything LR has done for us lately. You can also cap your haste which has pushed your power even higher to the point we are at a great loss.

Another point to take into account is with regular LS buffs you are capped attack(majority of mobs) and capped haste which makes dark LR do very little other than "low man" something a little easier. Instead of ridiculing someone try walking a mile in their shoes about our shitty updates the past few years. I bet 3/4 of you still aren't even sure how critical tiers work seeing as how lazy people are to research the matter thus failing on your weaponskill potential outside abyssea. I mean seriously easy mode has ruined the majority of you that come here.

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QQ, QQ, QQ, stop hating on us because crit ws, QQ, QQ, you all suck, QQ, QQ.

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Originally Posted by Rearden

QQ, QQ, QQ, stop hating on us because crit ws, QQ, QQ, you all suck, QQ, QQ.

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your job of choice is one that is broken completely for DDing and tanking, our job of choice is one thats useless, completely

so what should we do, complain here and hope something gets done, seems the only logical choice, however your suggestion seems to be to just shut up and continue to take it up the tailpipe, unfortunately for you I am not a fan of sodomy

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Originally Posted by Darkzeru

As a DNC, I rarely have to use Trance but when i do it's a God send. instantly being able to heal my party and people outside of party to full within mere seconds? There where some situation where I literally changed the tides of the outcome of the NM due to trance (ex. although shouldn't happen, like fighting alfard with the gas and other frontal move he does)

Not to mention even by taking hate with Trance (which is about guaranteed if use it to it fullest ability) being a evasion job...in most cases I can still handle my own while I'm healing people who need it.


DRK was my first 75. And even during that cap I rarely used BW....maybe beause I didn't have a Kraken Club? *shrugs* drk's 2hr I never really used sinced it didn't truly help much in a "oh sh*t!" situation....which is why I started leveling DNC....it's more versatile (although damage is kinda lol when you think outside of abyssea) but hey the few curing waltz your way while healer doing something else i bet you wont complain lol

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So the young apprentice finally speaks out. LOL bout time. and yes i do have agree with dark on this one.. it's rare for a drk to really use their 2hr.. for different reasons.. (weapon delay is a big one, duration of BW.. and the mob itself all factor in.)

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Originally Posted by Finuve

your job of choice is one that is broken completely for DDing and tanking, our job of choice is one thats useless, completely

so what should we do, complain here and hope something gets done, seems the only logical choice, however your suggestion seems to be to just shut up and continue to take it up the tailpipe, unfortunately for you I am not a fan of sodomy

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What is the deal with you QQ'ers seeing someone's job in their profile and assuming anything about that? 99% of the sane people here didn't even click anything because the forum auto'd whatever job you logged off last.

DRK's have been QQ'ing one way or another for 8 years, taking it up the "tailpipe" seems to be something the lot of you enjoy because logic certainly escapes you. You could a) take it up the tailpipe for 8 years and toss that hotdog down 'dat hallway or b) play another job

Edit: Forgot c) do what 80% of the other jobs do, get a relic/mythic/empyrean and enjoy not failing anymore

onca again for the drks who dont under stand a job but comment on it anyways

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Originally Posted by Return1

The reason MNK doesn't get much new is because MNK has ALWAYS been overpowered. They did nothing to MNK between the game coming out and it ascending to the heavens as a god of DDing in ToAU.

Players became smarter and the slow ones caught on to TP burning T-VT over SC/MB IT++.

Stupid players getting smarter was the biggest change to MNK.

Also, MNK (and BLU to an extent) continues to grow disproportionately stronger with each level cap raise due to the hth formula (Blue Magic Skill for BLUs obviously).

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since the game first came out monks gotten a total of 0 buffs no update has ever favor'd monk in the least, but the level cap increase's make monk shine more and more each time. You dont see monks bawling because for yet another update over the years we get nothing again.

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Originally Posted by Gokku

onca again for the drks who dont under stand a job but comment on it anyways

since the game first came out monks gotten a total of 0 buffs no update has ever favor'd monk in the least, but the level cap increase's make monk shine more and more each time. You dont see monks bawling because for yet another update over the years we get nothing again.

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herp Impetus derp

right 1 ja 6 years...and impetus wasnt a buff, 2handed updates is a buff sam having 50 fucking ja's is a buff. *ok it was a small buff but it was about time*

SAM and 2Handers needed fix, unlike MNK. But on topic: QQ hundred fist is (almost) useless if you have haste + double march from Ghorn bard (and if you dont have Ghorn the difference is not a lot). Almost every 2H sucks nowaday.

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Originally Posted by Rearden

What is the deal with you QQ'ers seeing someone's job in their profile and assuming anything about that? 99% of the sane people here didn't even click anything because the forum auto'd whatever job you logged off last.

DRK's have been QQ'ing one way or another for 8 years, taking it up the "tailpipe" seems to be something the lot of you enjoy because logic certainly escapes you. You could a) take it up the tailpipe for 8 years and toss that hotdog down 'dat hallway or b) play another job

Edit: Forgot c) do what 80% of the other jobs do, get a relic/mythic/empyrean and enjoy not failing anymore

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I have an empyrean, and I'm not going to play another job thats less fun just because SE wont ungimp my job of choice, its just unfortunate that I can switch to my WAR thats still using perle gear and be more useful to the party

ur logic of "just bandwagon whatever job doesnt suck" is faulty

Sorry, but if your sig is any indication then Redemption doesn't count as an Empyrean. You chose wrong, luckily for you though Caladbolg is a piece of cake and can be done on one Saturday.

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Originally Posted by Rearden

Sorry, but if your sig is any indication then Redemption doesn't count as an Empyrean. You chose wrong, luckily for you though Caladbolg is a piece of cake and can be done on one Saturday.

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"play a different job, pick a different empyrean" no, I will just continue to request SE fixes whats there

so its not SE thats gimp on drk then its you and your mindset of playing your style in lieu of there being better and more effective ways to play that job.

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Originally Posted by Gokku

so its not SE thats gimp on drk then its you and your mindset of playing your style in lieu of there being better and more effective ways to play that job.

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Originally Posted by Gokku

so its not SE thats gimp on drk then its you and your mindset of playing your style in lieu of there being better and more effective ways to play that job.

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the difference between redemption and caladbolg is minimum, caladbolg having better WS numbers and redemption having better DoT and WS frequency, neither of these weapons saves DRK from being a lackluster DD that can occasionally stun, the only difference in my playstyle is using a scythe instead of a great sword, switching weapons wouldnt magically ungimp DRK, nor should it be required

So a WAR using Axes should get extra abilities for Dual Wielding because hey, I could use this Widowmaker and spam Raging Rush with a proper DD sub but shit, I wanna use Axes and the game needs to change to accommodate my lack of wanting to use something better.

were do you think drk should be on the totem pole of DD's? give me a 1-5 top 5 dd jobs in your mind how they should be.

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Originally Posted by Rearden

So a WAR using Axes should get extra abilities for Dual Wielding because hey, I could use this Widowmaker and spam Raging Rush with a proper DD sub but shit, I wanna use Axes and the game needs to change to accommodate my lack of wanting to use something better.

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u missed the part where great sword and scythe are very alike weapons, and have throughout the history of the game been nearly identical in parsing ability for DRK(aside from apoc versus ragnarok), and that STILL HASNT CHANGED, read Raelix's numbers on zam, caladbolg isnt magically better than redemption, it just puts up better WS numbers

neither of these weapons fix DRK

and what about the DRKs without caladbolg or redemption, they are laughably bad compared to a Widowmaker WAR, should nothing be done for them except tell them to make a caladbolg or play a different job, no thats retarded, SE should make the necessary buffs/nerfs to even things out as close as possible

and im complaining about DRK because its the one that matters to me, but what about DRG(outside abyss) SAM(inside abyss) DNC THF(outside th) RDM SCH PUP(outside abyss) do these jobs have no right to complain because they could just go play WAR MNK NIN WHM BLM

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Originally Posted by Gokku

were do you think drk should be on the totem pole of DD's? give me a 1-5 top 5 dd jobs in your mind how they should be.

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everything should be about even, this is figuring that WAR got some of its tanking ability back, if it didnt then

WAR > everyone else which would be around equal to eachother, since WAR doesnt have any extra utility other than DD, I cant think of antoher job without some additional utility so they should all be about equal on DD (of course excluding non DD jobs)

Drg = still good out/in
Sam = omg were not gods for once
Dnc= solo king learn to play it save lives * who really wants to dd cure bitch*
Thf = just got a buff headed in the right direction
Rdm = fine unless your of the melee crowd * cure 5 would be nice*
Sch = See rdm
Pup = L O L *seriously though the puppet can be a beast blm and they do need AI fixed*

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Originally Posted by Finuve

everything should be about even, this is figuring that WAR got some of its tanking ability back, if it didnt then

WAR > everyone else which would be around equal to eachother, since WAR doesnt have any extra utility other than DD, I cant think of antoher job without some additional utility so they should all be about equal on DD (of course excluding non DD jobs)

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you realize then you would be arguing that war is to OP'd and everyone only takes wars to events since all the other DD's are midgrade generic goo

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Originally Posted by Gokku

Drg = still good out/in
Sam = omg were not gods for once
Dnc= solo king learn to play it save lives * who really wants to dd cure bitch*
Thf = just got a buff headed in the right direction
Rdm = fine unless your of the melee crowd * cure 5 would be nice*
Sch = See rdm
Pup = L O L *seriously though the puppet can be a beast blm and they do need AI fixed*

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DRG has the same issues they have always had, wyvern dies too easy, WSs are too weak (see empyrean WS being identical to queitus, except DRG cant WS as fast as a DRK)

RDM doesnt really have its place anymore, the dedicated jobs are just far too good at what they do to have a use for RDM anywhere, RDM needs both sides buffed, just not too far that they outweigh the dedicated jobs,
THF is getting lucky with Bully,
DNC solos amazingly, though I mainly use the job to tank, but it needs its utility back, at 75 I buffed DDd and cured for parties and did everything quite well, at 90 all we get to do is Solo or tank or DD surprisingly well
SAM is just bad in abyssea, outside, when these things are back to normalcy they will once again be sitting up top or just below WAR
SCH same as my RDM comments
PUP is wholly underrated in abyss, outside, AI kills them

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Originally Posted by Gokku

you realize then you would be arguing that war is to OP'd and everyone only takes wars to events since all the other DD's are midgrade generic goo

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I wouldnt, I accept that WAR is a DD job with no other use, DRK in events can stun, dispel at 95, however these benefits should make up for the difference in DD capability, which atm is far from the case because the DD gap is so large

If you're worried about DoT then why complain about the weapon you have/your ability to do damage with it? It should balance out considering Caladbolg DRK is pretty beast.

On that note, not every event is for every job. The one good thing SE has done is to NOT balance anything in this game because x/y/z isn't good in abyssea. Abyssea is not FFXI, Abyssea is a place to farm empyrean weapons and get XP.

DRK is actually really good in VW, and has a lot of proc'ing ability both with Magic and with its wide variety of WS, not discounting it has stun.

DRK was always good for HNM fights because it could put up WS (and do light/dark SC's) and back off, and of course, stun.

A well geared DRK could perform well in a merit party at the right camp given the party itself didnt suck (common).

Is DRK good in Limbus/Salvage/Nyzul/Abyssea/Einherjar? Not necessarily, but you can sure as hell still complete any of those events while playing DRK but that is a conscious choice you are making. To buff DRK enough to compete in those events against other jobs would be to make DRK the #1 everything which isn't going to happen. Hell, at 75 cap a good DRK could solo tank almost everything in the game because they get almost identical PDT/MDT sets to PLD.

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except DRG cant WS as fast as a DRK

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wut. That's just flat out wrong.

And SAM is already far ahead of WAR outside Abys, just like always.

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Originally Posted by Rearden

wut. That's just flat out wrong.

And SAM is already far ahead of WAR outside Abys, just like always.

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no its true, delay on polearms is not ideal, and jumps can only go so far, which is not nearly as far as desperate blows and easy 5 hits with most scythes

granted in comparison to a great sword DRK, they may be slower than a DRG

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Originally Posted by Finuve

no its true, delay on polearms is not ideal, and jumps can only go so far, which is not nearly as far as desperate blows and easy 5 hits with most scythes

granted in comparison to a great sword DRK, they may be slower than a DRG

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DRG is a TP whore. Spirit and Soul jumps added a ton of damage and TP. One of its best weapons is OAT PA and its easy to get. Their gear options for capped haste are superior to DRK. (non Apoc) And they have Drakesbane which is one of the best WS in the game.

Their down fall comes from party mechanics and the limited procs they can do.


For the Hundred Fist posters, if the MNK has its 2hr up, the Ghorn BRD should be singing Minuets not marches.

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Originally Posted by Chriscoffey

Any of the jobs that keep coming in here to tell me over and over again how great dark is should parse against some of us instead of talking jibberish. Quit bandwagon riding the jobs that SE keeps updating with great updates and talking down on us. We got LR and you are right it's a great update but you fail to realize melee have this thing called "good" critical WS that far exceed anything LR has done for us lately. You can also cap your haste which has pushed your power even higher to the point we are at a great loss.

Another point to take into account is with regular LS buffs you are capped attack(majority of mobs) and capped haste which makes dark LR do very little other than "low man" something a little easier. Instead of ridiculing someone try walking a mile in their shoes about our shitty updates the past few years. I bet 3/4 of you still aren't even sure how critical tiers work seeing as how lazy people are to research the matter thus failing on your weaponskill potential outside abyssea. I mean seriously easy mode has ruined the majority of you that come here.

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My point is that DRK only needs 1 thing. A crit WS to use in abyssea. You have nothing else to complain about. Pretty much every job in this game has lemon JAs and it seems like you guys want every JA you have to be perfect. It's not gonna happen. Instead of posting 37 new QQ threads about various problems maybe you should pool your efforts into asking for a crit scythe WS. Starting a new thread to complain about your 2hr when it compliments SE perfectly seems counter productive.

I'm waiting for boy-genius to argue with Taint, personally.

You're not asking for a crit scythe WS, what you're really asking for is a new crit scythe Ws.

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Originally Posted by Insaniac

My point is that DRK only needs 1 thing. A crit WS to use in abyssea. You have nothing else to complain about. Pretty much every job in this game has lemon JAs and it seems like you guys want every JA you have to be perfect. It's not gonna happen. Instead of posting 37 new QQ threads about various problems maybe you should pool your efforts into asking for a crit scythe WS. Starting a new thread to complain about your 2hr when it compliments SE perfectly seems counter productive.

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TRANSLATION: HI, I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHATS WRONG WITH THE JOB, I'M PLAYING A WARRIOR WITH BLACK ARMOR RIGHT?

Can't say its bad after drks have had all those years of zerg the NM to death with kraken club + soul eater + bloodweapon.

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Originally Posted by Bubeeky

I don't think ppl are saying that dnc should use drain samba...the simple fact is that they can do pretty much the exact same thing as drk's two hour, every minute if they want. Do they? Probably not....but they can, that's the important thing. Drk needs a new two hour that's unique, not some crappy version of Drain Samba.

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Saying DNC's drain samba is equivalent to DRK's blood weapon is like saying DRK's souleater is equivalent to NIN's mijin gakure.

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One of its best weapons is OAT PA and its easy to get. Their gear options for capped haste are superior to DRK. (non Apoc) And they have Drakesbane which is one of the best WS in the game.

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It sounds as if you've never had the pleasure of making blob pops and getting people to run out to fight the fucking mob. Not to mention that it's a stupid argument to begin with. Make a class. Make it's only weapon onion dagger. OMG THEIR BEST WEAPON IS SO EASY TO GET! Also, our best weapon is Ryunohige. Do I need to go in depth on the comparison of getting that versus Apoc/Calad? To further that point, often times the reason DRG's weapon seems "so easy to get" is because our "Legendary" weapons are absolute garbage. Want to have 60% AGI on your WSC?

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Originally Posted by Urteil

TRANSLATION: HI, I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHATS WRONG WITH THE JOB, I'M PLAYING A WARRIOR WITH BLACK ARMOR RIGHT?

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Originally Posted by Rearden

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Originally Posted by Urteil

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renamedtoistillplaydrk.lol

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Originally Posted by Yugl

Saying DNC's drain samba is equivalent to DRK's blood weapon is like saying DRK's souleater is equivalent to NIN's mijin gakure.

It sounds as if you've never had the pleasure of making blob pops and getting people to run out to fight the fucking mob. Not to mention that it's a stupid argument to begin with. Make a class. Make it's only weapon onion dagger. OMG THEIR BEST WEAPON IS SO EASY TO GET! Also, our best weapon is Ryunohige. Do I need to go in depth on the comparison of getting that versus Apoc/Calad? To further that point, often times the reason DRG's weapon seems "so easy to get" is because our "Legendary" weapons are absolute garbage. Want to have 60% AGI on your WSC?

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I have OAT H2H so yes I've extremely familiar with the path.

And I said its "one" of the best, Mythic PA isn't a consideration for 99.9% of the player base.

You two need to focus your anger outward

Why in the world would you make OAT H2H?

Footwork son, V.Smite was never on the horizon until it rose above and shined bright onto the faces of the worthy

2-4 would triumph for that, not OAT.