Are alternative payment options being considered?

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Originally Posted by wildsprite

...I noticed a few companies based in Japan would try out new things on their own country player base before others just to see how well it went over(Sony and SEGA both did this kind of thing in the past)

however unlikely it is perhaps that is the case here

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I don't think thats the case either, they have tested the CreditCard system for 8+ years overseas XD

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Originally Posted by wildsprite

personally I like the crysta system(I pay 14.95 per month so I'm losing 5 cents...that I don't see as a big deal), however I do agree they need better alternatives and the idea of being able to pay the exact amount in crysta would be a beautiful thing.

however there is something you may not be stopping to think about, I noticed a few companies based in Japan would try out new things on their own country player base before others just to see how well it went over(Sony and SEGA both did this kind of thing in the past)

however unlikely it is perhaps that is the case here

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If you're implying CnB is their method of testing -- it wouldn't really make sense, because they already "tested" this with FFXIV once. If you're implying Direct payment w/ crysta for JP only, that would make no sense either.

All they would have to do is transfer what we have now, to what they want to have in the near future.

since when has anything SE has done made any sense? o_0

think about it,with the old system they set up maintenance for the first of the month making it impossible for anyone who had their CC rejected to get back into the game for a minimum of hours, there was a small window where you can pay and get back in, if you missed that you couldn't get back in till the 2nd of the month, makes no sense to penalize your player base by doing something like that when a maintenance in the middle of the month would actually make sense

All they do makes sense.

To them.

That said, there's a level of "sense" that they don't cross, and your idea kinda crossed it. :v

No offense meant, though.

I don't know, they have crossed some pretty stupid "Sense" lines in the past, I would not be the least bit surprised if they did that here as well

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Originally Posted by Modoru

If you're implying CnB is their method of testing -- it wouldn't really make sense, because they already "tested" this with FFXIV once. .

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I beg to differ with that, there was no real test because FFXIV became FTP very fast so the uproar needed to tell them C&B was a bad choice just was not there, so no there was not a test there

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Originally Posted by Runespider

This isn't about changing your account to a Square enix account, lots of us did that. This is about the fact you now have to totally change how you pay for FFXI on that account, this is new stuff and a lot of people still don't know there accounts will close next month cause they have yet to set it up. The way you paid for FFXI for the last howevermanyyears is now no good and you gotta pick a new payment system, and the options are terrible.

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O.o account will be closed next month if not transfered, didn't know that.
well seems like that will be the end of my ffxi career if they don't change it till the end of the month :( .

yeah...you will have to synch everything up again one way or the other after August 31st. You might not even be able to sign in to the forums either if they do that auto-direction thing again like they just did for character data--requiring you to make the account changes when you log in before sending you to the forums. that would be another thing that would suck @$$ if people suddenly try to come back, get hit with all that crap and don't know what is going on, and can't get into the forums (only browse anonymously)....support center might breakdown from the influx of phone/chat calls and such.

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Originally Posted by Rosina

WoW, that is what tin foil hat thinking is.

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Do you understand what a tin foil hat is? Because that definitely wasn't it.

I don't think the man paying for Rosina's account is aware of any of this.

While I won't be upping my account until we get a direct bill to SE, to play devil's advocate on something said earlier: "I wouldn't mind if they increased our bill as long as they were upfront about it"

That's nice to say, but I know I'd personally be pissed because I'd know it was due to FFXIV's failure that our bill was increased. I don't want to pay for SE's mistakes, I want to pay for FFXI and it's continued development.

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Originally Posted by Rearden

I don't think the man paying for Rosina's account is aware of any of this.

While I won't be upping my account until we get a direct bill to SE, to play devil's advocate on something said earlier: "I wouldn't mind if they increased our bill as long as they were upfront about it"

That's nice to say, but I know I'd personally be pissed because I'd know it was due to FFXIV's failure that our bill was increased. I don't want to pay for SE's mistakes, I want to pay for FFXI and it's continued development.

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|True Strike|. But at least, it would be a quantifiable change. If they stated that it was due to something like the added cost of meeting new regulatory standards (new security protocols requiring additional hardware purchases, CC processors raising fees, etc... a lot of things they could state as reasons)--they've determined it was necessary for them to increase fees. People could tally that up, digest it, and either agree or disagree on simply stated facts.

Sure... there might be some people who don't wan't to pay the extra $1 per account per cycle, and they would leave. But it would be a matter off they raised the price, and I didn't want to pay that price. It would be purely a market based decision--not much different then you choosing not to buy something at a certain retailer because the price is too high.

What has happened here is SE has decided not to change the billing option for one particular set of people, so they are not at any risk of loosing them simply from this change. Meanwhile, what they have done is completely isolated a BUNCH of players, rendering many of them unable to even pay them AT ALL, and thus are forcing them off the grid. This is flat out disenfranchisement and discrimination--they've forced them out with no hope of remedy, and have done it by a regionally identifiable boundary.