Summoner in Colonization Reives = Broken

I don't think you're going to be able to settle for a draw on this one Malphius, these guys are out for blood. My advice, if you don't want to concede a defeat, is to ignore this thread.

For what it's worth I agree that the content isn't balanced and some jobs do better, easier than others. But for me, I'd rather the game as a whole is balanced. SMN being overpowered in reives makes the game more balanced. It's two different ways of looking at things.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Becaues mages can do things that melee can't and additionally melee and end up with just as good if not better scores.

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When you say "mages" are you including SMN?

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Originally Posted by Raksha

When you say "mages" are you including SMN?

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Especially SMN.

Can SMN "do things that melee can't and additionally melee and end up with just as good if not better scores" without ever using Whispering Wind or the Leviathan one, (if it has the same properties (I.E. cure everyone in the areas instead of PT only))?

No he is not saying both. You also just proved my point

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Originally Posted by Raksha

Can SMN "do things that melee can't and additionally melee and end up with just as good if not better scores" without ever using Whispering Wind or the Leviathan one, (if it has the same properties (I.E. cure everyone in the areas instead of PT only))?

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Um, what? Whispering Wind and "the leviathan one" are "things melee cant do." Also Thunderstorm or any magical BP which are quite effective. Last I checked, WAR and SAM and DRK and NIN didn't have avatars or healing magic. Did something change here that I didn't know about?

This statement also includes all mages, including WHM or SCH... I have no difficulty using ST cures on people and really don't understand your original complaint in the first place- What i'm trying to tell you is that by being on one of these mage jobs, the fact that you can melee like anyone else and also perform other actions that most melee can't perform, you can get a good score. By choosing not to melee, you're only punishing yourself.

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No he is not saying both. You also just proved my point

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Mp, he proved nothing? i don't see it.

You are reading more into my question than is there. I dont play SMN, so i'm just trying to figure out your position.

All i want to know is can SMN get higher points than non mages without using the aoe cures that the OP is complaining about?

You can use them, so why wouldn't you? Obviously you're not going to score as high if you don't use them- but you can still get a reasonable amount of points. I did and I was rarely ever healing.

only a reasonable amount? or more than non-mages?

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Originally Posted by Raksha

only a reasonable amount? or more than non-mages?

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I don't know about all jobs because I don't have them all. I don't think anybody can touch a PLD, but I get about the same that I get on PUP, regardless of which automaton. Was in a Wilds reieve and the PLDs got like twice as much as everyone else; most of the other players were fairly close together.

The most difficult job to earn contribution on to me is GEO, because geomancy earns no/minimal contribution. You can melee and you can nuke, which is okay, but the main thing your job is supposed to be about doesn't earn you much. WHMs really should have no trouble, the orginal concern in this thread is mostly invalid. I've thrown single target cures on SMN with other SMNs in the area using Aoe heals- there's nothing hard about it. Most reieves spam enough AoE damage that there's always somebody you can cure.