Suggestions: Quality of Life Stuff and other suggestions

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Originally Posted by Akivatoo

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look at defence stat, don't you forget few increasement ?

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Careful here, although it just says DEF, like any other piece of gear, Defense has special value on shields. From wiki

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In addition to the type of the shield, the defense rating of the shield also affects the amount of damage absorbed during a shield block: each point of defense seems to be an additional 0.5% damage reduction.

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Defense on other pieces of gear is not nearly that potent. (Edit: Although defense on other gear is good, not trying to disregard it at all.)

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Originally Posted by Pups323

Yes, and aegis was never about block rate, or defense, it was always about the magic dmg buff. Which is why they dont want to mess with shields/instruments. Sure it would be nice to have it i119 with +242 skill and 100 defense on aegis, but i just dont see it happening.

Ochain still gets to 100% block rate with reprisal, so the only thing that they would do is make them i119 with the exact same stats with no +skill or anything else.

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The thing is though now there is Run which can get similar levels of magic defense while also having 75% pdt. Part of the problem is mob design too. Like sure you can up your magic defense a ton to survive whatever crazy magic move... but that doesn't matter much if your physical defense is the same as a DD and it then trounces you with physical attacks. I'd argue 50-80 skill would be more than enough for aegis and another 30-50 for ochain and another 20-30 def

Also Ochain isn't 100% with reprisal on all stuff. Blockrate without reprisal is down to 70 on lol lvl126 mobs. Which with reprisal goes up to 105%. So given that that is barely capped and xp mobs go higher than that you can see that anything hard you wont have 100%. It also has horrible dmg reduction on block.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

So....

They're only good...because there's not a lot of options? Isn't it....more likely that they wouldn't be good if their design wasn't good to begin with? Not because there's suddenly more options? Any of the PLDs I've ran with for the longest of time never complained they were useless or "not good"..so it can't be relative unless we've went all these years with these particular set of "crappy" shields.

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What was good a year or 2 ago isn't really that hot now. Mobs have gotten higher level and stronger. Like in armor and such it's notable that we need a ton more acc now and a lot of the stuff from when Ilvl was introduced that was great is now trade fodder to npcs.

Similarly mobs ability to get hits in unblocked has increased and other shield options have increased in skill to accommodate this to keep up but the top shields have not. Mobs have also increased per hit dmg and ilvl shields have slowly gained some def to increase the dmg reduction trait but again the top shields have not. It's not that they weren't made well and great it's just the way the game mechanics went and with the whole vertical gear/mob progression without having the shields also progress has slowly made them worse and worse

There seem to be a lot of non-PLDs in this discussion saying shields are fine.

Shields are good, but they are not fine.

I don't play RUN yet, but RUN is also more likely to not even get harmful debuffs like defense down, and usually much more importantly, magic defense down.

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Originally Posted by OmnysValefor

There seem to be a lot of non-PLDs in this discussion saying shields are fine.

Shields are good, but they are not fine.

I don't play RUN yet, but RUN is also more likely to not even get harmful debuffs like defense down, and usually much more importantly, magic defense down.

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I know right lol, or if they do comment they have no idea about the actually state of the shields on 135 content. Its like they are stuck in this abyssea mindset where ochain is soooo op, like I never use ochain in any meaningful content anymore. If anything im thinking about farming an adamas shield because of the 20% resistance to status effects, I would use that over ochain lol.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

So....

They're only good...because there's not a lot of options? Isn't it....more likely that they wouldn't be good if their design wasn't good to begin with? Not because there's suddenly more options? Any of the PLDs I've ran with for the longest of time never complained they were useless or "not good"..so it can't be relative unless we've went all these years with these particular set of "crappy" shields.

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I can't.. I don't know how to even reply to that. It's like saying RME weapons don't need +skill because they didn't need them (before ilvl).

Let me say again that when ilvl first hit, shields didn't need ilvl then either. It's not "It's not fair that every other job gets.". It's.. "It's not fair that the relics and empies we spent time/effort/gil (Ochain mostly) on are falling by the wayside to practically free items."

Hmm, sounds just like the original RME complaints, doesn't it?

And yeah, it's not fair that Aegis blocks about as often as Vivid Strap now.

So many great points being made for an actual upgrade to the shields, I really hope that they reconsiders this stance on shields and instruments.

I'd like to thank Akivatoo for taking the time to put the parse details up for us to see. Also would like to bring up that a friend said that there was a parse conducted with Priwen vs Ochain and that Priwen won vs 135 content. I will need to ask him for the details on where he read this later.

It's just as I had mentioned though previously, what we're asking for is to simply be able to keep our Aegis and Ochain relevant along-side the new shields as they are added. 30~40% block rate on 135 content is hardly a huge request for Aegis.
I am unsure how to approach Ochain adjustments though personally as SquareEnix wants to avoid their mistake of a 100% block reliant shield again which is fine and understandable....I mean, we could do a lot because of that.
However, the biggest concern I personally have is Aegis. I want to keep it relevant and worth all the time/gil I spent to make it.(Probably doesn't sound like much now days, but it was a lot of work making before Dynamis changes...)

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Originally Posted by Aeron

I know right lol, or if they do comment they have no idea about the actually state of the shields on 135 content. Its like they are stuck in this abyssea mindset where ochain is soooo op, like I never use ochain in any meaningful content anymore. If anything im thinking about farming an adamas shield because of the 20% resistance to status effects, I would use that over ochain lol.

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Well, we know SquareEnix is scared to repeat their mistake of making a 100% block-reliant shield again. Though no excuse to floor Aegis at 5% block rate.
Logically speaking, if you weren't going to block attacks with a shield, would you even bring it to a fight? Probably not. Might as well tie your hand to your back and parry or die.

So I personally might just do that very thing at the next event I go to. Gonna show them Rune Fencers how a real tank parries! lol

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Originally Posted by Raka

Well, we know SquareEnix is scared to repeat their mistake of making a 100% block-reliant shield again. Though no excuse to floor Aegis at 5% block rate.
Logically speaking, if you weren't going to block attacks with a shield, would you even bring it to a fight? Probably not. Might as well tie your hand to your back and parry or die.

So I personally might just do that very thing at the next event I go to. Gonna show them Rune Fencers how a real tank parries! lol

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The thing is... what OP thing were paladins doing with Ochain? (This is all @ SE, not Raka)

Cleaving, but a lot of jobs do it better/faster.
Delve supertanking, and yeah, that was just silly except we were doing it to help our LSs, just the same as any member does. You think I liked standing in 4 spots over the course of 45 minutes? It's also not our fault that, besides NMs, everything in delve was a melee that barely got past phalanx/or didn't.
Incursion, but because of party hate, it takes actual effort to mass-tank, and because of a mixture of mobs and some nasty tp moves, it's a whole lot harder harder.

I'm not saying Ochain should block 100% even, I'm just also saying I don't see anything wrong with it, even if it requires a decent shield skill set.

Yeah, like I said. SquareEnix is afraid of it happening again. So I cannot say why.
I thought it was cool personally, but my biggest worry right now is making sure that my Aegis is relevant.

Like it was mentioned before, we parry more than we block with Aegis now. lol

I think the flawed design of ochain lead to this honestly. I think it should have been more along the lines that ochain 99 afterglow has a 100% blockrate not the 90 version but instead of correcting that mistake they just want to settle with no upgrade. the blockrate should have scaled with the lvl of the ochain.

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Originally Posted by OmnysValefor

And yeah, it's not fair that Aegis blocks about as often as Vivid Strap now.

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I love it.

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

the Instruments, or at the very least, BRD, is hurting from what I can see.

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yeah I haven't seen a shout for BRD in ages... GEO or go home.

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Originally Posted by Olor

yeah I haven't seen a shout for BRD in ages... GEO or go home.

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Bard's "problem", isn't in the equipment available to it, so much as, where they overlap, geo does it better.

Bard can improve your defense against an element or damage on target for an element. Geo can do so doubly, for every element. (Vex/Attune vs Carols and Focus/Languor vs Threnodies) which is a better boon to casters and since so many bosses favor non-melee damage, so melees aren't taking damage, this is huge.

Further, so many jobs are capable of self-skillchaining that you frequently don't have more than one melee on a boss, besides the tank.

Geo's only weakness is that the pet "frequently" die, high mp costs, and sometimes mp management is rough. I'm not saying SE shouldn't ilvl instruments as well, I just don't particularly know what they'd be. Nothing short of absurdity will make bard compete with geo in a lot of areas that matter.

Now when it comes to melee setups, relic/empy or just empy bards are probably superior to (non-idris) geo and bard definitely can help heal/erase/-na, something geo's don't always have the mp for.

GEO is also a lot easier to build. None of the trouble that comes with upgrading from old gear. Aside from +skill/+duration, geo jse gear (aside from bells/idris) also doesn't enhance the effect of the bubbles, whereas a few pieces of bard gear do.

Yeah, I don't have relic/empy instrument for bard anyway but I have a hard time seeing how upgrading either of them would hurt game balance with GEO destroying all other buffers currently.

Do you understand how they even work? 'cause that might go a long way to understanding why they don't think it'd be a good idea to do so.

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And as to "GEO destroying Game Balance", what exactly changed? The content, or the playerbase? I've seen people complain that no one wants to take BRD for Capacity Point parties, and demand COR instead, overlooking the reason for why that is.

I feel that way, way, way too much of the feedback I read on this forum and on others is created in a vacuum.

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Originally Posted by machini

And as to "GEO destroying Game Balance", what exactly changed? The content, or the playerbase? I've seen people complain that no one wants to take BRD for Capacity Point parties, and demand COR instead, overlooking the reason for why that is.

I feel that way, way, way too much of the feedback I read on this forum and on others is created in a vacuum.

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The content creates it. Vex/Attune is ridiculously powerful when it's needed, and when it's not, other buffsets (focus/languor, acumen/malaise) are just as powerful and as I was saying before, geo buffs/debuffs apply to every element. Though weaker, geo can also entrust a third bubble to someone for a while.

I see this argument all the time, that it's the players' fault for not trying alternative strategies. No, it's nice when the tank doesn't get debuffed at all and every nuke of any element lands at the best potency it could and it was easy to land debuffs/nukes on a resistant boss. I think it basically boils down bard being from a different era. The game has changed, some of bard's fundamentals have not.

Places where bard does exceed GEO, GEO still performs well and so in less-hard content, people would rather shout for GEO because they see it work, know how it works, and see enough players playing the job.

GEO bubbles are ridiculously powerful, especially debuff bubbles. In addition, GEO is adept at both nuking and stunning. And bubbles can't be dispelled or resisted. Reapplication is almost instant compared to what BRD and COR have to do.

I mean, I can't even fathom how people can't see this. And I'm not arguing for a nerf because you really can and should bring at least one GEO to anything you do. It's just that good.

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Originally Posted by machini

And as to "GEO destroying Game Balance", what exactly changed? The content, or the playerbase? I've seen people complain that no one wants to take BRD for Capacity Point parties, and demand COR instead, overlooking the reason for why that is.

I feel that way, way, way too much of the feedback I read on this forum and on others is created in a vacuum.

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It has everything to do with the buffs offered and the content you are doing and the value of mage buffs vs melee buffs, which is basically what brd vs geo is.

Geo > bard/cor for cp parties, because the majority of cp parties rely on magic bursting apex mobs. Bards add very little to the mages in an apex party/ae party. Geo can add macc/mab or debuff meva/mdb. All of which make it easier to 1 shot mobs with magic bursts. A bard could haste/acc buff the dd to make opening the skill chain easier/faster, but it wont help the party kill the mob that much faster compared to geo.

Bard also is kinda of a 1 trick pony, buff the group then wait on recasting buffs. Occasionally they can sleep/dispel as well, but so can a geo/rdm. The same geo can also churn out 40k+ magic burst and contribute to the party. THey can help heal, with a larger mana pool. Aspir to get mp back.

The way the game is setup, magic dmg >> melee dmg, mostly because you need 1200 melee acc to hit anything, and with a magic burst you need maybe half the + macc on gear as melee need +acc.

In theory, people could setup apex parties with just melee and do 3-4 step skill chains with 1 mage to magic burst. But that requires 3-4 melee to have enough acc to hit the mob, which again is the same hurdle. My pup with full hurc gear is sitting at 1050 acc with +25acc/atk +2 ta augments on each piece of herc gear. Aside from spending millions of gill throwing stones at it trying for 40acc/atk +3 ta, my only option is to gain 900 more jp for +25 more acc. If i went to level blm, with my geos mb gear, i would start with a blm with 40% mb +10 % over cap, and would be doing 50k+ on t5s, absolutely destroying what any melee could do if i played a different melee with the same augmented herc gear.

The only way im hitting the 1100 acc mark without food is with 1200+ jp, or a few million in gil to throw at augments.

Not sure if this the best place to post this, but can we please get barlight and bardark spells (and their aoe versions) added. It seems like the number of monsters (especially NMs) that use dark and light as their primary attack methods have jumped in recent years and it doesn't really make sense not to have the same mitigation options available to light and dark as to each of the other elements. (ie. Carols for all 8 elements, runes for all 8 elements, but bar spells only for 6). Please and thanks.

Any chance HMP/Rift cinders/rift dross/high quality pinch of bayld etc can be added to the pools for high tier merit battles/sarcred orb battles?

Make it sure a slot with the plouton/boulder/beitsu all equally weighted of course?

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Originally Posted by Windwhisper

please add: Geo-malaise, Geo-Languor, Geo torpor, geo Frailty, Indi accumen, indi focus. to autotranslate. i mean. currently we use something like this: <Magic> <Accuracy bonus> <Down> etc, but it sure is troublesome to translate for our japanese friends intense battle strategies and im sure its hard the other way around too.

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The team will be looking into adding these spells to the auto-translate dictionary, but in the mean time we recommend utilizing the /translate text command for these terms to communicate with players of other languages.

Detlef makes an important point that the geo-buffs/debuffs can't be dispelled/resisted/erased (by the enemy).

Not to mention, in a CP setting--a four step skillchain like Pups talks about (explaining why geo is superior), is a pain to create as people at comfortable acc for the mob can still miss a ws and then it's done, start over, and timing mistakes do happen, especially when you're that bored because you've killed the same 5 crabs 700 times. It's so much easier for the opener to glance and make sure their single partner has tp, ws and afk.

Aside from that, magic burst hate is so ridiculously low. a single flash has held off massive mb's, while it takes more to hold off melee damage (which, in a cp setting, you can really only guarantee that each mob will get flash). If I provoke a mob, it's only because it's lived too long.

Edit: With increased tp feed from multiple melee is increased likelyhood that the enemy will use a tp move that interferes with killing quickly. (mdef/acc/evasion moves)

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Originally Posted by Camate

The team will be looking into adding these spells to the auto-translate dictionary, but in the mean time we recommend utilizing the /translate text command for these terms to communicate with players of other languages.

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Since he didn't give an example, what Camate means is this:

/translate "Geo-Vex" [enter]
/translate "Indi-Attunement" [enter]

Open a new chat line, scroll to [Items] (at the bottom of the list) and then escape out and the translated spell will be there.

/translate "please ilvl shield and instruments" [enter]

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Originally Posted by Akivatoo

/translate "please ilvl shield and instruments" [enter]

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Won't ever happen, because the stats distributed for ilvl items are not based on these slots. Also it would break balance with shields because the defense stat on a shield is drastically more effective than the defense stat on any other gear slot.

What would an ilvl relic instrument have added to it? for anything targeting an enemy, you have "magic accuracy skill" in the weapon slot. if there's an issue with scaling of songs, they could balance this though the spells themselves.

But basically, unlike many of the relic and empyrean weapons, the shields and instruments are not really inferior (I certainly see plenty of them in use, at least).

Last I checked, the whole reason they were doing this update is to breathe life into a whole array of weapons that aren't really used because other options have surpassed them.

I dislike people (not you Al) that can't let a discussion evolve without spewing in some derail gibberish.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Won't ever happen, because the stats distributed for ilvl items are not based on these slots. Also it would break balance with shields because the defense stat on a shield is drastically more effective than the defense stat on any other gear slot.

What would an ilvl relic instrument have added to it? for anything targeting an enemy, you have "magic accuracy skill" in the weapon slot. if there's an issue with scaling of songs, they could balance this though the spells themselves.

But basically, unlike many of the relic and empyrean weapons, the shields and instruments are not really inferior (I certainly see plenty of them in use, at least).

Last I checked, the whole reason they were doing this update is to breathe life into a whole array of weapons that aren't really used because other options have surpassed them.

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First, saying shields don't need ilvl because stats don't go to those slots is a silly argument. Also incorrect, because there are ilvl shields, ranged weapons, etc.

I do agree that shields do not need any, or much, more DEF. 5 or 10 might be okay, but each shield doesn't have to be the best at everything.

Ochain is the blocking shield, that's why every pld, since the first went "holy ****", has built one, so it deserves to stay there. Priwen belongs in the realm of other JSE weapons from that NPC: A stepping stone. I don't mind if there's a shield that blocks more per hit or a shield as good as ochain with reprisal up, or even both ("blocks with reprisal as often as ochain and blocks more per hit") but it's ridiculous that the freebie shield is better than something some people spent 200m gil on (not me, mine's still 90). And that's exactly the same argument people had when ilvl weapons hit.

Aegis is only good because it goes so far past mdt cap. I, just today, saw a post a few pages back that's the ideal thing for aegis 119: Put spell-interrupt down on it. So it's not a blocker but a pld can actually cast while it's equipped. I would like to see it block more though. Not a great amount, just enough that you're not surprised when it does block...and it's gotten to the point that I am. I'm not saying 100% spell-interruption-down, but enough that building a 100% set for casting isn't unreasonable, which some paladins have taken to doing.

For the next double bayld campaign can you multiple the hp of lair/colonizations by 10-20 please.

They have so little hp it is very hard to max bayld when they die so fast and 102310923 people are attacking them.

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Originally Posted by Camate

The team will be looking into adding these spells to the auto-translate dictionary, but in the mean time we recommend utilizing the /translate text command for these terms to communicate with players of other languages.

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Thank you :)

for the moment i do, but every logout deletes the newly added commands so you have to repeat the process for the main spells every login anew.

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Originally Posted by Windwhisper

Thank you :)

for the moment i do, but every logout deletes the newly added commands so you have to repeat the process for the main spells every login anew.

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Wind, in the meantime, you might make a macro that does it for you, and then you'd only need to tab to [items] and be all set.

/translate "indi-vex"
/translate "indi-attunement"
/translate..

PLD is my main but GEO is my secondary. I do definitely know your pain.

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Originally Posted by Pups323

For the next double bayld campaign can you multiple the hp of lair/colonizations by 10-20, please.

They have so little hp it is very hard to max bayld when they die so fast and 102310923 people are attacking them.

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I'm not sure on that yet but I really loved the extended run in months or extended round-up to January's bonus/boost campaign: "New Year Battle Content Fiesta" of held event's SE had been running but I would love it to be re-rolled for February going into at least mid-March with Saint Patrick's Day.
Since I really loved what they had presented in this months round-ups for their boost/bonus/gains events campaign, I propose they allow it to keep going for more rounds in the following months coming up ahead! Also, I do miss seeing a past few of the add-ins held for their bonus/boost/gains events with their previously presented campaigns over the months of the year/years that were simply left out of this round of round-ups for now and ironically, Meebles Burrows just happens to be one of them I miss but it's not the one's I was really thinking of, out of all of them ever done for the past year or two, maybe more. Yes, February is the month with Valentines Day around the corner followed by March's Saint Patricks Day with some restaurants presenting minty shakes with just the right tint of green to celebrate for the whole month but Valentines Day just is not for me nor will it probably ever be as well. ;) :D :cool:

I'd really love to see the re-entry time on Limbus being decreased from 20 hours to 10 hours, or maybe even 5 hours. What do ya'll think?

EDIT: Or maybe having seperate entry times for Apollyon and Temenos?

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Originally Posted by plamp

I'd really love to see the re-entry time on Limbus being decreased from 20 hours to 10 hours, or maybe even 5 hours. What do ya'll think?

EDIT: Or maybe having seperate entry times for Apollyon and Temenos?

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Do Rhapsodies... Limbus entry time is 1 hour.

https://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/%22Rhapsody_in_Mauve%22

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Originally Posted by Vae

Do Rhapsodies... Limbus entry time is 1 hour.

https://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/%22Rhapsody_in_Mauve%22

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Oh my gosh, I'm literally like six quests from getting this key item. I'm so stupid. Thank you, if I had known this existed I wouldn't have posted.

I love that Trusts run out of melee range (certain ones), and I know they aren't meant to replace players. However, would it be possible for them to run at least maximum cast distance? I think that is around 20 yalms. It will also be better for them as they won't get hit by most of those nasty AoE moves.

Regarding iLevel gear, could they be modified in such a way that, going forward, iLevel implicitly suggests a certain increase in attributes, rather than listing each and every one? That way, they don't look like such stat vomit.

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Originally Posted by Ketaru

Regarding iLevel gear, could they be modified in such a way that, going forward, iLevel implicitly suggests a certain increase in attributes, rather than listing each and every one? That way, they don't look like such stat vomit.

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Honestly, the reason for stat vomit as you say, is because people complained about "hidden stats", so now everything is out in the open aside some latent effects. That's what that nice little arrow is for. Maybe they could adjust it so more of it is hidden by said arrow.

No, the reason for the stat-vomit is that ilvl artificially raises our level (duh). Certain roles favor certain stats more so we need to know how much str/int is on a piece of gear, not every piece of gear has all of the 7 base stats. Go find dex on melee/tanking legs. It exists on a few but it's gone from most.

There's also no guarantee how much of a stat you'll get. Like there are still some stat+9 pieces while other pieces have the same stat +30 or more. Partly due to, defeating half the purpose of ilvl, not all 119 are created equal. MOST UNM/HTBF 119s fall way behind 119 pieces gotten from other content.

It's a dead and long-rotting horse, but we all know it would have been easier if they could have raised our actual level to 119.

I, for one, would not like to see more paging, it's already annoying enough to fully evaluate two pieces of gear as several have 3 pages already.