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    Player Elexia's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ulth View Post
    Good is relative. For the most part why they are still good is because there are not a lot of other options when it comes to shields.
    So....

    They're only good...because there's not a lot of options? Isn't it....more likely that they wouldn't be good if their design wasn't good to begin with? Not because there's suddenly more options? Any of the PLDs I've ran with for the longest of time never complained they were useless or "not good"..so it can't be relative unless we've went all these years with these particular set of "crappy" shields.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elexia View Post
    So....

    They're only good...because there's not a lot of options? Isn't it....more likely that they wouldn't be good if their design wasn't good to begin with? Not because there's suddenly more options? Any of the PLDs I've ran with for the longest of time never complained they were useless or "not good"..so it can't be relative unless we've went all these years with these particular set of "crappy" shields.
    What was good a year or 2 ago isn't really that hot now. Mobs have gotten higher level and stronger. Like in armor and such it's notable that we need a ton more acc now and a lot of the stuff from when Ilvl was introduced that was great is now trade fodder to npcs.

    Similarly mobs ability to get hits in unblocked has increased and other shield options have increased in skill to accommodate this to keep up but the top shields have not. Mobs have also increased per hit dmg and ilvl shields have slowly gained some def to increase the dmg reduction trait but again the top shields have not. It's not that they weren't made well and great it's just the way the game mechanics went and with the whole vertical gear/mob progression without having the shields also progress has slowly made them worse and worse
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    Player OmnysValefor's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elexia View Post
    So....

    They're only good...because there's not a lot of options? Isn't it....more likely that they wouldn't be good if their design wasn't good to begin with? Not because there's suddenly more options? Any of the PLDs I've ran with for the longest of time never complained they were useless or "not good"..so it can't be relative unless we've went all these years with these particular set of "crappy" shields.
    I can't.. I don't know how to even reply to that. It's like saying RME weapons don't need +skill because they didn't need them (before ilvl).

    Let me say again that when ilvl first hit, shields didn't need ilvl then either. It's not "It's not fair that every other job gets.". It's.. "It's not fair that the relics and empies we spent time/effort/gil (Ochain mostly) on are falling by the wayside to practically free items."

    Hmm, sounds just like the original RME complaints, doesn't it?

    And yeah, it's not fair that Aegis blocks about as often as Vivid Strap now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OmnysValefor View Post
    And yeah, it's not fair that Aegis blocks about as often as Vivid Strap now.
    I love it.
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