Abyssea outside of Abyssea - Yay?

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

We're not even level 99 yet. There is still a lot of content ready to be released.

I'm sorry but your logic is a little flawed. Back when we first hit 75 what was there to do? Sky? Dynamis? Ground-kings? Thats it if i recall. All of those systems sucked back then too. Anyone remember Ullikummi? Mr. 1hour~20 hour random-fk Window? I do.

We're in a transition period, They're releasing content in waves. When we hit 99 I'm betting you there will be a lot of Variety. It took SE nearly 5 years to give us the "Variety" we had before ~76+ Came around.

ToAU introduced a lot of the "Variety" in small Quantities. First Assaults, Eventually ISNMs, Salvage, Einherjar, Etc all came very spread out over time. Same can be said for a lot of content.

You're getting upset because we don't have 20 different Systems in place for yes, "Mid level" Content.

If we hit level 99 and theres no variety, you have every right to complain, But as it stands, You're judging a game and quitting thanks to a transition period.

Oh, As a Side, note, I've been playing since NA Release, I know the hardships this game has gone through, but i also know to stick it out because its a fun enjoyable experience and a brighter side is generally around the corner.

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I like the way you post. You come correct and I can respect that, but i will also respectfully disagree that sky/dynamis/HNM were anything near compared to abyssea. I was very active in all those events and I'm a 8 year player. Those events back then, were very hefty. Those 3 events offered more content that was much more hefty and engaging, that kept you hooked for a long time. Those events offered more content then the 9 abyssea zones combined. Granted the whole system was based off luck, still, It ws never boring imo.

I'm not "upset" over a game. Yes, as i said, I wont judge until it's implimented.


You do make a very good point that the game is unfinished at this point. That's very true but FFXIV is SE's priority, not ffxi. FFXI is funding final fantasy XIV. The amount of money put into dev. team for ffxi is im sure, substantially less than xiv. I guess I was jus hoping for some "heart" put into this event. It feels like theyre just trying to keep us amused until XIV is revived.

Don't want to spread too much butt-hurt because it's pointless. I also don't want to give the impression i hate abyssea. There are things i hate about it, but It's a good event.

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Originally Posted by Anewie

I like the way you post. You come correct and I can respect that, but i will also respectfilly disagree that sky/dynamis/HNM were anything near compared to abyssea. I was very active in all those events and I'm a 8 year player and Those events back then, were very hefty. Those 3 events offered content that was much more hefty and engaging that kept you hooked for a long time. Granted the whole system was based off luck, still, It ws never boring imo.

I'm not "upset" over a game. Yes, as i said, I wont judge until it's implimented.


You do make a very good point that the game is unfinished at this point. That's very true but FFXIV is SE's priority, not ffxi. FFXI is funding final fantasy XIV. The amount of money put into dev. team for ffxi is im sure, substantially less than xiv. I guess I was jus hoping for some "heart" put into this event. It feels like theyre just trying to keep us amused until XIV is revived.

Don't want to spread too much butt-hurt because it's pointless. I also don't want to give the impression i hate abyssea. There are things i hate about it, but It's a good event.

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Well, If you do so enjoy the game as is, You really should not quit over a Transition.

I truly believe by 99 we will have that variety again. Abyssea may simply be 1 Event, but it offers so much more than Dynamis, Sky, and Kings offered combined. Its Friendly casual content for all players to enjoy, it has good systems in place. While it has its flaws, So did the old 75 systems.

Dynamis had terrible drop rates, was boring and repetitive. Sky was awful because it was over-run with RMT, and camping against 20 other linkshells for 1 Pop NM was awful too. Kings, I won't even touch, for fear one of the King's White knights will come in and tell me it was the bestest system ever and bots were cool.

Abyssea has some of those flaws of the old systems, but it works and they're less apparent. (I can name 1, Still have free-roaming NMs, But they have shorter spawns now).

If you love the game so much you've played for so long, You really shouldn't quit simply because of this transitional period. When we hit 99, Give it a couple updates, If we dont have any meaningful content, I'd drop the game like its hot too.

I don't deny FFXIV is getting a lot of the DEV attention, But i think when FFXIV gets off its feet, or dies horribly, FFXI will begin to get attention again. Its really hard to tell right now. But i've stuck with FFXI through worse...

The biggest difference between old sky/sea/dynamis and Abyssea now is the fact that players, as a whole, have learned significantly more about how the game works. That in and of itself is the biggest reason that Sky/Sea/Dynamis became so much easier even at the 75 cap than they were in the past. Now that we know how Game Mechanics work, how NMs work, and generally have access to more gear/jobs per player, all content is going to be easier and cleared more quickly and efficiently.

All in all, there is significantly less to do in Sky than in even a single Visions Abyssea zone (aside from running). There are 8 Trigger NMs, 4 Shijin, and Kirin. Altogether 13 NMs, 3 overlapping zones, and a surface area about twice the size of La Theine Plateau. Sky was a mess of mandatory time sinks (sup pre-and-post-patch Ulli and Despot), bottlenecking (long repop non-instanced ???s, Aura Statues), and poor drop rates (hi Quake scroll Kirin). I would hardly call it engaging. I think I slept more in sky than anything else.

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Those 3 events offered more content that was much more hefty and engaging, that kept you hooked for a long time. Those events offered more content then the 9 abyssea zones combined. Granted the whole system was based off luck, still, It ws never boring imo.

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Nothing was fun pre-abyssea unless you played a bandwagon job. I didn't, which is why I can't relate to anyone who enjoyed that period.

I agree with a bit of both sides at the moment. We don't know what's coming at 99, exactly. We saw some of the notes, showing new mobs and what could possibly be a new area. Perhaps a new storyline is awaiting our patience! There is all sorts of possibilities that could come at 99, though at this point is where I agree with Anewie. We do get that feeling of sort of being led on a bit until they give us some snazzy new non-transition material. Again we don't know what is coming at 99, but at the same time it doesn't help if they discourage us with half-hearted content before then!

I also agree that level 75 EG had a lot more to it. Sky had four major Gods and Kirin to focus on, which required a system of NMs that did take at least some minor shots at strategy in order to defeat. Brigandish Blade was a good example of this; you had to steal a knife from it in order to kill it!

Then there was Sea, a system of powerful NMs that each had their own strengths and weaknesses, that led up to the Jailer of Love and then the then-undefeatable Absolute Virtue. It was a goal worth striving towards! Limbus came as well, providing access to Proto-Omega and Proto-Ultima, though I feel there wasn't much of a reason behind going after these guys sans the gear; it was like... how did we just happen to stumble upon Limbus, and how did we end up finding that one person who was looking for Ultima/Omega parts? Either way, it provided lots of material.

ZNMs/Nyzul/Assault provided us with a lot of different things to do, with missions and goals in order to obtain a variety of rewards. And let's not forget Salvage back in its hey-day; there was a lot of work and strategy involved in your team setups back then.

Point being that "EG" content so far has been rather... lackluster after the first little bit of Abyssea. I'll continue to hope that we'll get some nice stuff when we're out of the transition phase though!

Edit @ Mala: What's the difference between that and Abyssea? The only thing that's different is that the new bandwagon is WAR/THF/NIN/MNK/WHM/BLM/BRD/BLU. Red/blue procer, tanks, and yellow procers. If anything the bandwagon's still there...

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

The biggest difference between old sky/sea/dynamis and Abyssea now is the fact that players, as a whole, have learned significantly more about how the game works. That in and of itself is the biggest reason that Sky/Sea/Dynamis became so much easier even at the 75 cap than they were in the past. Now that we know how Game Mechanics work, how NMs work, and generally have access to more gear/jobs per player, all content is going to be easier and cleared more quickly and efficiently.

All in all, there is significantly less to do in Sky than in even a single Visions Abyssea zone (aside from running). There are 8 Trigger NMs, 4 Shijin, and Kirin. Altogether 13 NMs, 3 overlapping zones, and a surface area about twice the size of La Theine Plateau. Sky was a mess of mandatory time sinks (sup pre-and-post-patch Ulli and Despot), bottlenecking (long repop non-instanced ???s, Aura Statues), and poor drop rates (hi Quake scroll Kirin). I would hardly call it engaging. I think I slept more in sky than anything else.

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Sky was my favorite event in the game ; ;

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Originally Posted by Kensagaku

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You're usually good at Reading Ken :|.

I addressed that. Yes 75 had more endgame, but all the endgame took nearly 5-6 years to come out. When we first hit 75, there wa Sky, Dynamis, and Ground Kings. All of those awful. Enjoyable thanks to "Nostalgia vision", but awful in practice. but its all we had.

Over the years Sea, Salvage, Einherjar, Assaults, Etc all were release, but this did take years to achieve. Right now theres not a lot of variety because we aren't technically @ "Endgame" yet. Think of it right now as, We're level 90, but the cap is going to be 99, So compare it to what was available to do at level 65 back when the cap was transitioning to 75?

I can't think of ANYTHING, maybe Simurgh/Roc/King Arhtro >__>?

The point i'm trying to make it, Endgame didn't happen over night back at 75, And its not going to happen over night right now. When we hit 99, Its going to take time to implement a lot of new meaningful end-game content, but i think it will come. expecting us to have Dozens of Diverse meaningful events in a transition of 76~99 is unrealistic at best.

Even if they did release dozens of diverse meaningful content for 80, 85, 90, and 95, It would likely be doomed to be crap by 99 anyway, Similar to Sky, Dynamis, Sea, Einherjar, and Etc are right now (Outside of a few select pieces still).

UGH im trying not to sound dick-ish but its not working :(

Either way, What i'm trying to say, In fewer words is, Diversity takes time. Old FF75-shit took nearly 5 years to completely give us Diverse meaningful equipment, and that was after we had initialized 75 as the "Cap". Right now we're not even at the cap, We just need to wait it out. (or not, Can always quit and come back when we're 99)

Where can I purchase a pair of FFXI Nostalgia Goggles?

People complain about Abyssea that there are "only 7 useful jobs anymore" as if this is a new phenomena. Back in the RotZ/early CoP days, the only useful DD was Ranger. Then Ranger got nerfed and a bunch of people ragequit, the new go-to DD job was BLM. Then in ToAU they added mobs that were resistant to elemental magic, so Summoner became the new flavor of the month. Then people decided that those mobs weren't worth fighting, so WAR and SAM became the prettiest girls at the prom. Then Souleater zerging was all the rage, now Dark Knight is the popular one! (Yes yes, let's all talk to Dark Knight.) Then Souleater zerging countermeasures were added to new NMs, do Dark Knight took a seat with Zoidberg in a corner and SAM was back in front. Now with Abyssea, MNK is the awesome-sauce.

There is a trend, people will find the most powerful job and use it. This is a natural reaction to a game with a flexible job system and limited time and resources. Why spend 30 minutes killing a mob when you can do it in 10? You might as well get into a time machine and yell at Henry Ford for inventing the assembly line, most people are going to tend towards efficiency.

BTW, so far Voidwatch sounds awesome and I am greatly looking forward to it. My only potential complaint is that there are only going to be three planar rifts in each zone. Beyond that, bring on the Atmacite and Periapt!

Abyssea meets RIFT XD

I'm all for increasing player strength through buffs, because that just means you can make mobs harder.

I also really like abyssea, and think it's fine, and hope to see razed ruins return for this new system.

We pay a subscription for content. We aren't receiving content any more. That's why I asked if SE will stop charging us and make FFXI f2p.

Now, as far as content goes, Abyssea could have been great. And here's where it failed: Gear was too strong. Atmas are too strong. Abyssites are too strong. Even the brew is too strong. If all of the above were drastically lowered, I think Abyssea would become content that was mildly challenging. Opting not to use atmas is the same as opting not to equip gear. It's just not a bright decision. Nor was it a bright move on SE's part to introduce equipment and buffs that powerful. Let's take the Brew for instance. Could we make brew a 400%~ increase to stats. That way Gimpy Mcgimp all pink thf with a ceremonial dagger can't solo crap.

The new junk coming out is just regurgitated Abyssea fecal matter that erodes personal skill and the achievement of acquiring uber gear in favor of everyone being equal by way of AF3/Atma. Equip those and a few emp weapons and the "mightiest" Abyssea bosses will tumble to the wimpiest of LS. And so it will be with Voidwatch. The "C'mon guyz wait it out it might not be Abyssea" camp needs to leave this thread. It is Abyssea -1, it WILL suck and I am offended by it.

Until we "fix" AF3, Atmas, Abyssite, Brews, and for chrissakes /delete the full Aurore set, I'm tired of seeing it, then the game will continue to exist in a psuedo-zombie state where player skill and equipment don't mean jack and everyone mindlessly grinds through their force pops, grumbling about Heqet and Guka being bottlenecks and not realizing that they're replaced camping their Kings for hours with camping a worthless frog.

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

You didn't read even though you really did. :|.

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Actually I did read that, and I respect that it took time to reach that diversity. There was a lot of work behind each and every event, and as a result they have their transition times. I acknowledged that; after all, we can't have everything right now just 'cause we want it (and if I said otherwise I'd be a hypocrite for all the arguments against the "want it now" crowd.). The problem is that Abyssea's unfortunately growing stale. There's very little we haven't conquered without difficulty; sure, there are a few annoyingly tricky NMs that can take time to beat (I'm lookin' at you, Apademak, with people who don't know wtf a stun cycle is. ;~; ) but for the most part we're just starting to lose a bit of interest.

While I appreciate that SE is working hard in this transition phase to create content to keep us satisfied for working up to the 99 cap, at the same time... it almost appears as though there's minimal effort in this recycle. Most times when things are recycled they're prettied up to look new and semi-original. So far, the battlefield teaser reeks of a rehash. Again like it's been stated we can't really complain until we've seen and experienced, it's just feeling a bit... half-hearted, like I said.

Blah. Lots of circular complaints on my end. I'm not usually a big complainer on content, so I'm really just hoping this transition stuff proves me wrong. There's a reason I'm off soloing sky and sea on my BST out of boredom when I don't feel like Abyssea. xD

(Well that and I need Zenith gear for a BLM Sorc Ring HP- set. *cough*)

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Originally Posted by Chocobits

I hate abyssea and like old stuff

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Most people like the current system more then the old one. I for one like the fact that all my friends can get everything and have access to everything, and we can do it together in small groups, and that I don't need to be part of a terrible LS and use bots and things to get gear. Especially since most of those LS's basically just worked towards getting the leaders stuff.

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Originally Posted by Kensagaku

Actually I did read that, and I respect that it took time to reach that diversity. There was a lot of work behind each and every event, and as a result they have their transition times. I acknowledged that; after all, we can't have everything right now just 'cause we want it (and if I said otherwise I'd be a hypocrite for all the arguments against the "want it now" crowd.). The problem is that Abyssea's unfortunately growing stale. There's very little we haven't conquered without difficulty; sure, there are a few annoyingly tricky NMs that can take time to beat (I'm lookin' at you, Apademak, with people who don't know wtf a stun cycle is. ;~; ) but for the most part we're just starting to lose a bit of interest.

While I appreciate that SE is working hard in this transition phase to create content to keep us satisfied for working up to the 99 cap, at the same time... it almost appears as though there's minimal effort in this recycle. Most times when things are recycled they're prettied up to look new and semi-original. So far, the battlefield teaser reeks of a rehash. Again like it's been stated we can't really complain until we've seen and experienced, it's just feeling a bit... half-hearted, like I said.

Blah. Lots of circular complaints on my end. I'm not usually a big complainer on content, so I'm really just hoping this transition stuff proves me wrong. There's a reason I'm off soloing sky and sea on my BST out of boredom when I don't feel like Abyssea. xD

(Well that and I need Zenith gear for a BLM Sorc Ring HP- set. *cough*)

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Maybe, It might be because i'm thinking more like "this is mid game content". So i compare what we're getting now, to what players had at level 50~74, and count my blessings.

I think even with this update there will be more to chose from. Even with its "Similarities" to other content. Theres only so many ways to spin "Kill this big monster".

The KCNM's are going to be an ice addition, the Adjustments to Dynamis/HNMs will keep people entertained a little (I know I'm waiting on Dynamis, Im @ stage 3 for Mandau and I'm wanting to finish it :|)

Abyssea, While only 1 Event, has a lot to offer. Multiple various NMs, a good system in place for drops (The "!!" System), fair repop timers, etc. It offers a lot but yah, i agree, getting kinda burned out on it myself.

I think these new systems will be a nice change of pace, even if its similar, i think it'll be different enough to entertain people.

If anything, I know i'll be in dynamis until i get my Mandau :X

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Originally Posted by Anewie

@ Elexia and Karbuncle, Those are stupid examples in my opinion.
If you played FFXI as long as I have you are missing one indeniable fact aboout the current state of ffxi: choice and variety.

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I played since JP beta. The current state of FFXI is quite different from 9 years ago. I couldn't care less for Abyssea but it's very hard to deny that the game was going to end up revolving around it based on how crazy everyone is for it.

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Originally Posted by ShadowHeart

Abyssea meets RIFT XD

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Rift copied XI technically.

Catering to casual players is where the gaming industry makes it's money, it's not hard to see that SE is a corporation and its goal is to make money, not to make the handful of truly hardcore players happy.

That being said, and being able to play the game for at least 6 hours a day, I like having Atma.

Everyone dances around the issue though, which isn't how strong the players are but how UTTERLY WEAK and/or STUPIDLY SCRIPTED the enemies are. EVERY SINGLE BOSS NM(glavoid chloris ecentric eve sobek etc) IS INCREDIBLY EASY, and can be done with less than 4. Even in heroes the only really hard bosses are Rani, Raja, Pankotrator and Apademak, maybe Azdaja to an unprepared group. And the only reason those NMs are remotely difficult is because Pankotrator can Chainspell -ga III, Rani can kill everyone within 25' with 1 meteor, and if you don't stun Apademak you're royally screwed with a 5+ second stun and a retardedly potent paralyze.

PLD doesn't suck because the Job sucks, the job is perfectly fantastic. PLD sucks because everyone else can do it's job with a WHM with relative ease. If we had challenging battles, however, PLD would find it's place again.

TL;DR: Everyone reads atma and thinks "easy" because obviously things are easier with atma than without. But its not atma that causes the relative ease of everything abyssea, it's the easy monsters.

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Originally Posted by Chocobits

So.. is FFXI going to stop charging like FFXIV until content emerges? Just curious.

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You're effectively supporting the Gamma Test of FF XIV until they either start charging or shut down as it is -- why would they do that?

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Originally Posted by Alukat

yeah its nice to see that SE still adds new stuff to FFxi. but i hope that in future updates they stop with this atma crap.
and they should stop with that u have to kill only 1 NM to get the drop.
still doing nyzle isle,dynamis,limbus. and that's much more fun as abyssea.

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yes needing up to kill 50+ times the same monster for 1 item is fun!

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Originally Posted by Kensagaku

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I also agree that level 75 EG had a lot more to it. Sky had four major Gods and Kirin to focus on, which required a system of NMs that did take at least some minor shots at strategy in order to defeat. Brigandish Blade was a good example of this; you had to steal a knife from it in order to kill it!

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it's not really different than needing to use X WS to get next tier NM pop KI

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Originally Posted by Leonlionheart

TL;DR: Everyone reads atma and thinks "easy" because obviously things are easier with atma than without. But its not atma that causes the relative ease of everything abyssea, it's the easy monsters.

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atma only make things lower manable: remove atmas, add RDM and 3 buffer to your mnk(nin) + whm duo and you can kill it

All the old content was dieing long before abyssea. You could go to sky and every pop set NM was up. Salvage was a failed event for most of the player base why go though the hell of getting 3 drops with insanly low drop rates then have to spend mils to upgrade them. I stop bothering with it as soon as they released AF2/af+1 for blu as did half my group.

Nothing in the game ever needed that much skill. What did we do in sky when Big bird chainspell, had either a rdm chainspell stun or rng shadow bind everyone run out of range. Dyn Lord 2 or 3 rdms doing the same thing chainspell stun and melees zerg it down. Kirin kite around the room with melees chaseing it to chip away its HP or couple of Drks using a weapon thats been in the game since CoP and JAs thats been in just aslong.

Sky could be opened up in a day Sea/Limbus could be done in a month if every one had all the jobs needed for the perfect set up. Thats the other thing all the CoP fights had little to do with skill but more with taking the right jobs. ToAU only real road block was all the JP midnight waits, with all of its endgame opening after the first few missions. No need to even finish it till the new avtars were released and if you didn't have Smn some half way decent gear.

One other thing you didn't have to steal the knife to kill Brigandish Blade just land one hit with it on.

Because most people waste an inventory slot keeping one handy when you usually had someone /THF or main THF for TH. I always tried to out-steal the THFs on BLU/THF for fun 'cause I was mostly cannonball spamming at that time. XD

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

It contributes more to the conversation that rearing your head only to insult someone once in a blue moon. If you're going to be unproductive, at the very least refrain for insults in your posts.

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It contributes nothing, OP makes a whiny overraction thread to content he hasn't played, only to criticize it's unoriginal, and worth quitting over. That is slightly ridiculous and unproductive, as are half the posts/threads in this forum: his included.

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You're stating, though indirectly, that an older MMO shouldn't keep going, that most companies leave them on the wayside because of their age. He's simply counteracting that point by saying that there are games that have been out far longer and are still continuing to this day. Therefore it is not an irrelevant point. Rather than pulling a Krystal and calling troll, why don't we just keep on topic, yes?

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I'm stating exactly what my original post stated, he should be lucky they are still keeping the game going after so long in a world where every year something bigger and shinier comes out. Has nothing to do with 'mmos after x amount of time should quit updating' and nothing within those words says it; all the ass does is sits here on these forums in an attempt to troll, call you wrong, or generally be an ass about things. Reading comprehension, one needs it.

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Originally Posted by Andylynn

It contributes nothing, OP makes a whiny overraction thread to content he hasn't played, only to criticize it's unoriginal, and worth quitting over. That is slightly ridiculous and unproductive, as are half the posts/threads in this forum: his included.


I'm stating exactly what my original post stated, he should be lucky they are still keeping the game going after so long in a world where every year something bigger and shinier comes out. Has nothing to do with 'mmos after x amount of time should quit updating' and nothing within those words says it; all the ass does is sits here on these forums in an attempt to troll, call you wrong, or generally be an ass about things. Reading comprehension, one needs it.

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Again, I agree the entire principle behind this thread is just more whining, But if you don't want to contribute (Debating it, or agreeing with it) Simply don't reply.

Replying with an Insult to someone usually resorts in a report anyway :\.

Its okay to say your opinion, But you shouldn't just say "you're an idiot".

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Originally Posted by Andylynn

I'm stating exactly what my original post stated, he should be lucky they are still keeping the game going after so long in a world where every year something bigger and shinier comes out. Has nothing to do with 'mmos after x amount of time should quit updating' and nothing within those words says it; all the ass does is sits here on these forums in an attempt to troll, call you wrong, or generally be an ass about things. Reading comprehension, one needs it.

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You're doing anything better than trolling? Of all the people here, two of the most informative and polite posters I've seen are GreatGuardian and Karbuncle, and you're practically spitting on both. Both of them provide a lot of knowledge and insight on a number of the game's aspects, while you do nothing more than occasionally pop up to tell someone they're wrong or to insult them.

Lookin' for a troll? Look in the mirror.

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Originally Posted by Kensagaku

You're doing anything better than trolling? Of all the people here, two of the most informative and polite posters I've seen are GreatGuardian and Karbuncle, and you're practically spitting on both. Both of them provide a lot of knowledge and insight on a number of the game's aspects, while you do nothing more than occasionally pop up to tell someone they're wrong or to insult them.

Lookin' for a troll? Look in the mirror.

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Karby, maybe
GG - real ass.

Eh, comparatively GG is a saint when put beside you. >.>

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Originally Posted by Kensagaku

Eh, comparatively GG is a saint when put beside you. >.>

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<3.

@Andylynn: In all seriousness, I try to give every new face/name a blank slate when I'm reading their posts. I treat a lot of posters with respect, and even sincerely tried to help Naturebeckles for multiple pages in the old Haste threads and a couple others. The difference from your perspective is likely the fact that, once I lose all patience/respect for a particular poster, I won't be giving them as much slack when they start spouting off crap.

You threw away all of your credibility as a source of legitimate information weeks ago. Aside from abusing a sock account and pretending to have a Relic, you consistently demonstrate a complete and utter lack of proper understanding of game mechanics. Your knowledge of mechanics extends as far as hear-say, skimming posts made by others and taking only their conclusions without their process, and looking up basic entries on Wiki.

While that much knowledge is generally enough to play the game fine, it in no way means you have any standing to criticize others or give advice in/on a topic which is beyond your understanding. Your constant appeals to authority grate on my nerves. You made your post as if you are personally a game developer and/or are employed in the video game industry. Judging from your past history of fabricating lies to bolster your own "online credibility", I cannot take such an implication without a grain of salt.

When you make an abrasive post with a pretext which is utterly false, expect to be called out on it. Blade: Jin is not Wind Elemental Damage. FFXI is not "A Dinosaur". And we, as paying customers, are not "Lucky" to be receiving updates and content. FFXI is still significantly newer, and significantly more populated than several other MMOs which are still receiving updates to this day.

With that said, I think it is just a little sad how painfully obvious it is that FFXI is not being given much in terms of manpower and resources. I think our current Development Team is most definitely working very hard with what they have available, and I cannot find fault with them for that. If it was up to them, I'm sure they would be pulling out all the stops and doing whatever they can to improve and expand on Vana'Diel. Unfortunately, it's never really up to them. They have to make do with what they have, and in that regard I feel that have done an excellent job.

Other games are not bound by PS2 (or hiding behind it). I won't be playing any MMOs after i'm done with FF11 that is also on a console aka FF14. GG has a good point the Dev team we have now would most likly love to revamp the whole game but thier hands are tied by higher ups and Share holders telling the higher ups what they want.

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

Well, If you do so enjoy the game as is, You really should not quit over a Transition.

I truly believe by 99 we will have that variety again. Abyssea may simply be 1 Event, but it offers so much more than Dynamis, Sky, and Kings offered combined. Its Friendly casual content for all players to enjoy, it has good systems in place. While it has its flaws, So did the old 75 systems.

Dynamis had terrible drop rates, was boring and repetitive. Sky was awful because it was over-run with RMT, and camping against 20 other linkshells for 1 Pop NM was awful too. Kings, I won't even touch, for fear one of the King's White knights will come in and tell me it was the bestest system ever and bots were cool.

Abyssea has some of those flaws of the old systems, but it works and they're less apparent. (I can name 1, Still have free-roaming NMs, But they have shorter spawns now).

If you love the game so much you've played for so long, You really shouldn't quit simply because of this transitional period. When we hit 99, Give it a couple updates, If we dont have any meaningful content, I'd drop the game like its hot too.

I don't deny FFXIV is getting a lot of the DEV attention, But i think when FFXIV gets off its feet, or dies horribly, FFXI will begin to get attention again. Its really hard to tell right now. But i've stuck with FFXI through worse...

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If this is true then why are they dragging out the next LVL raise? Instead they are introducing this "voidwatch" stuff to tide us over til 95.

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I for one like the fact that all my friends can get everything and have access to everything, and we can do it together in small groups,

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Unless your friends are PLD/RDM/SCH/DRK/PUP/etc

Here are my concerns:

1. Triggers are back.

Ugh. These better be different otherwise it'll be another 6months before certain jobs see the light of day again. Things like Chi Blast being procs I hope are for demonstration purposes, more realistic new triggers would be SCH helixes, COR shots or even puppet weaponskills.

2. Atmacite

A light buff is fine but if this yet again marginalizes buffing classes then we'll have Abyssea all over again where RDM/COR/BRD are all rather "optional" outside of a handful of buffs. The game worked better (for events) when you need a support backline.

Some buffs = Good.
Anything more than 1 atma = Toxic

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Unless your friends are PLD/RDM/SCH/DRK/PUP/etc

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Myself and lots of my friends have those jobs. (I actually have 3, thats over half!)
But we're all smart enough to know the game is more fun when you have lots of jobs available so you're never useless. If you were not aware of that, then now you know, and knowing is half the battle.

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I didn't say that either, I think you know what I meant. Currently atmas make us invincible (or damn near it) in abyssea and anyone can gather a group of people and kill any nm. Wiping makes no difference (provided noone else claims the mob when it goes white). I was really hoping for something new where we wouldn't receive any status boosts, but where we would have to actually play smart.

Well, we'll just have to wait and see I guess.

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The people that really suck still wipe. It's just alot harder because of Apoc atma. So long as they don't have apoc in voidwatch you can probably guarantee alot less cockblocking by bad players.

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Myself and lots of my friends have those jobs. (I actually have 3, thats over half!)
But we're all smart enough to know the game is more fun when you have lots of jobs available so you're never useless. If you were not aware of that, then now you know, and knowing is half the battle.

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Sure i'm aware of that, it just so happens that my 5 jobs (SCH RDM SMN RNG DNC) are all useless. The fact that any job is 'useless' is the sticking point. Anyway I hope this voidwatch stuff is a little more inclusive than abyssea has become lately.

People forget the old days fast don't they.

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Myself and lots of my friends have those jobs. (I actually have 3, thats over half!)
But we're all smart enough to know the game is more fun when you have lots of jobs available so you're never useless. If you were not aware of that, then now you know, and knowing is half the battle.

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You missed the etc.

The game is more fun with lots of jobs. But its even more fun when you get to play the jobs you like instead of what's needed. My main is dnc, and it actually does pretty good in abyssea, but Im on it so much Im starting to get sick of it. I have nin and mnk too, but I dont particularly want to play those, I'd rather play sch, or cor. I have friends though who never get to play their favourite jobs now and were practically forced to lvl up things like whm or blm to be 'useful'. But for alot of people, playing a job simply because its useful doesnt necessarily make the game fun at all..

Dijana with out trying to be insulting, thats the way the game has always been. Almost all large endgame shells would only take you if you had brd rdm or whm leveled and sometimes only if they were fully merited. HNM LSs were the worst that pushed people to level jobs they didn't like just to get a shot at gear they wanted for the jobs they liked to play. Now the one exception if you were a DD was to be a drk with K.club.

Should try to look up some old HNM LS apps some of the crap that they wanted would make abyssea look trivial in terms of wanted or useful jobs.

Well HNM LSs in general were the worst thing in the game ever. You can blame RMT for some of the ridiculousness on the AH and the economy but I'd bet everything I have on HNMLSs being a major contributor to those things in the past. This, of course, is completely irrelevant. As it stands, that's a relatively skewed outlook on things. They only wanted those jobs because they already had the other jobs and needed less of them. The fact remains that they still NEEDED jobs like Paladin and more for various reasons. Abyssea did away with that, and now if you don't have at least one of a select few jobs (mnk/thf/nin/whm/blm/blu/war) you're relatively screwed if you want to do such things. My COR gets absolutely no air time in abyssea and it's my main (best geared, piles of gear from pre-abyssea). PLD, the first job I leveled, gets no air time either. The most I get to do with anything other than NIN is proc on my SAM once or twice while subbing DNC and healing people. That's right, my Samurai is essentially a back line healer now in abyssea. My DRG? I have a DRG?

One thing I'm noticing in this thread is that people are using "alot" a lot. I know this is a forum dedicated to a fantasy game, but let's not use imaginary words. Once is a typo. More than once is L2spell. "Alot" isn't a word. Seriously. Look it up. I find it hard to take the opinions of anyone who uses fakewords srsly. Do you guys use Firefox at all? It has an auto spell-checker. Notice that it's underlining "alot"? It doesn't recognize make believe words. (inb4 "y u mad?")

Grammar lessens aside, I think comments like "what skill was required before Abyssea?" should be condemned. There was. Maybe you personally chose not to exercise it. That doesn't mean it was never there. It isn't there now. It's all about crit damage, sky-high HP and unlimited MP. If it becomes like this outside of Abyssea, I think I'll do everyone a favor and go play Perfect World or something. Those of us that defeated CoP pre-nerf in 2006, were in darter's aery WITHOUT a bot, and those of us who were 6 manning sky gods at 75 cap might be a little offended by the current state of the game and were looking for respite with the coming update. Casual/Easy =/= Fun. Accomplishments are something that seem to have lost meaning.

PLD was one of the jobs that HNM didn't take either, some would go as far to say "We already have tanks so don't expect to get gear for your pld or nin over our existing tank".

What you said bout drg is same way I felt getting forced to go on Sam with no merits then my fully merited blu almost fully merited drg and far better geared. I was so sick of sam when I left my last endgame shell I sold my hagun for 100 gil in my bazzar at 75 way before abyssea. That was my only really nice piece of gear for it, truely a AH sam and till that shell a after thought for just a differnt merit job. Just saying there will always be bandwagon jobs and people not getting to play the jobs they want if they don't want to put thier own runs together.

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Sure i'm aware of that, it just so happens that my 5 jobs (SCH RDM SMN RNG DNC) are all useless. The fact that any job is 'useless' is the sticking point. Anyway I hope this voidwatch stuff is a little more inclusive than abyssea has become lately.

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How is DNC useless? Sub /NIN for proc spells and you can tank too! RNG has a lot of the Blue piercing procs, not to mention Gandiva is pretty powerful to DD with. I often get to go on RNG and have our LS THF go another job and I just Bounty Shot the NMs, from experience, BS is a great sub for TH. SCH/RDM can main heal pretty effectively when farming/seal hunting/various NMs. You don't always need a WHM for everything, it's just nice. SMNs are pretty good soloers with DC atma. :)