Alex Supply and Salvage Cheating- Accounts Not Banned?

The infinite assault tag bothered me slightly more but I had heard about that exploit and chose not to use it so I can't really be mad at people who made the opposite decision. As far as RMT goes... do people really still buy gil? It's crazy easy to make gil in FFXI and only a few things can be bought with gil (unless you're buying drops). I play this game to have fun with my friends, not to brag about my gear. As such it doesn't really bother me that people made tons of mythics: even without this cheating mythics were becoming rather common.

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Originally Posted by TrippyCat

Who gives a toss pal ? Se decided to give them 3 day temp bans there is nothing you nor i or anyone can do about it so like i said deal with it.

S.e arn't going to suddenly give them a perma ban now after they have already taken action so just get over it.

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If you don't think this thread is going to change the outcome anyway, then you don't need to waste your time derailing it. Anyone who knows anything about SE is aware of the high likelyhood that complaining about this is futile. However, this is a forum specifically for us customers to communicate with SE. If anyone wants to voice their displeasure about how SE operates, this is the appropriate place to do so. The most anyone has to lose by doing so is a couple minutes of their time. That's hardly worth discouraging.

I'm not that invested in whether bans were permanent or not, personally; although I do feel this exploit more than met the criteria for receiving one. The offenders should have had their gil and mythics removed at the minimum. Even if you're relatively apathetic about others cheating, it's hard to say an exploit of this magnitude and SE's response is defensible or good for the game. To some degree, the three day bans could be seen as worse than doing nothing. Once SE acknowledged the cheating but did nothing to reverse it, they removed any ambiguity about the risks of exploiting the game. They're practically incentivizing cheating with this.

I just think it's a crybaby thread by someone angry that Tigerwoods didn't get perma banned i bet he has upset her at some point and she has held a grude for years i've seen it happen time and time again with the nerds on this game, they get over emo about everything some "men" if you can call them "men" in there fortys and beyond crying,shouting going crazy over drops or failing a run it's pathetic behaviour and it's the same nonsense in this thread.

What I find most displeasing by just a 3 day is like 3 months ago I had a mule get perma banned that has never had so much as a warning for "rmt activity" despite the fact that the only characters it interacts with or exchanges items with are my other characters.

So an account that didn't do anything an only looks a little suspicious of selling maybe 10mil a month since it wasn't even making that much gil gets permabanned but people who they caught redhanded position hacking to exploit a flaw in the system to make 70mil a day get 3 day <.<.

Granted they finally are going to unban my character but took 2 months for them to decide to and start rolling it back... and it's been almost 2 weeks since they started rolling it back and it's still not done

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Originally Posted by TrippyCat

I just think it's a crybaby thread by someone angry that Tigerwoods didn't get perma banned i bet he has upset her at some point and she has held a grude for years i've seen it happen time and time again with the nerds on this game, they get over emo about everything some "men" if you can call them "men" in there fortys and beyond crying,shouting going crazy over drops or failing a run it's pathetic behaviour and it's the same nonsense in this thread.

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Wow. So much projection here. I don't even know...

Like I said before, this isn't about one cheater, it's about all of these scumbags who hurt the many players who were farming alex in a way that complied with FFXI's Terms of Service. I'd benefit from cheap alex myself. I don't farm Salvage for gil.

I too wish that the punishment for this was more severe. People shouldn't be allowed to get away with doing stuff like this.

It's bad enough that every high end party I join some guy is using JA0 and running extremely fast, but this is far worse.

I can kinda understand the 3 day thing instead of perma... game population and age doesn't support the massive bannings of old for a business standpoint. What really confuses me is no rollbacks. I mean isn't it kinda standard to remove the ill gotten items/gil? And it's not like the people caught would quit over having to give back the stuff so they'd still get their subscription fees

From the 1980's ; "Love the game, don't hack the game. Play the game, don't pay the game."

Its the same in casino games, or any sport games. Real gamers and sportsmen win by skill - not by cheating.

This is simply a neon green light that you can abuse the game and suffer no consequences, in-fact you'd be dumb not to abuse the heck out of the next gil fountain. To abuse the game and make hundreds of millions of gil, capping out on the rare items you need in a short time and have those gains left on your character is hilariously silly for the next loophole. Given Squares spaghetti code on both FFXI and FFXIV that's not a message they really want to be giving out.

RMT need to come back and abuse this stuff, Square are giving out green lights to make lots of real $$ here...and yes people still do buy mass amounts of gil. One of the biggest things right now is buying clears and items, gil is as important now as it ever was.

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Originally Posted by dasva

And it's not like the people caught would quit over having to give back the stuff so they'd still get their subscription fees

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I would have to imagine that most of them would quit. The game is already lackluster due to the lack of content (SE making Delve a joke didn't help one bit), so I imagine a rollback would be the final straw needed to get someone to quit.

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Originally Posted by Safiyyah

Wow. So much projection here. I don't even know...

Like I said before, this isn't about one cheater, it's about all of these scumbags who hurt the many players who were farming alex in a way that complied with FFXI's Terms of Service. I'd benefit from cheap alex myself. I don't farm Salvage for gil.

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You're also not taking into account all the players it helped. Before this exploit happened, Alexandrite supply was low and everyone that wanted to make a Mythic had to compete for what little supply was there. I have to imagine multiple players even bought from other servers because their server's supply didn't meet the demand. That shouldn't be happening.

But with this exploit happening, the supply rose and the idea of making a mythic became a reality for more people, especially with the prices (slowly) dropping. I can remember multiple instances where people were shouting to buy Alexandrite and competing with each other just so they would get to buy it instead of the other person. Once again, a supply problem that shouldn't be happening.

When SE made it so you can enter Salvage it was one of the best things to happen, yet it also had a downside. While the accessibility was great for everyone, it also increased the number of players making mythics. Not only are those players not selling any Alexandrite they are getting, but they are likely also adding to the amount of buyers, thus lowering the supply yet again.

Should there be/have been repercussions for taking advantage of this exploit? Of course. The big question is to what extent. SE pretty much made it clear that they can't afford to lose these subscriptions. A rollback or taking away the items people got is a possibility, but I'm of the opinion that will have the same effect as a ban. I almost feel like it would have been better for SE to just fix the exploit (which they did) and leave it at that. Most people probably didn't even know about it until the suspensions hit. I'm not sure how feasible it is, but I imagine SE could add tags to these accounts (similar to the Mentor tag). That way those with the "better than thou" attitude can avoid doing events/activities with these players and those who don't care can continue on as normal.

The last time I got a tell about gil, and that had to be over a year ago, gil was $3 for a mil. I think that's about 1/4th of the price from 2005 (I remember being amazed how much they offered gil for back then). I am in a linkshell that sells clears and items and at least on my server there aren't many buyers left. Perhaps some people do still buy gil but I don't think they're a driving force in the game economy.

Also, I don't think that the lack of severe punishment is a neon green sign to cheat because SE fixed the problem. I'm sure it's possible to do other things but I imagine that SE will correct those things as they find them as well.

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Originally Posted by Tomiko

You're also not taking into account all the players it helped.

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You are really going to try to paint the players using this exploit to make billions of gil and/or multiple mythics as a net positive? You may not realize this, but very many players farm Salvage v2 for gil. The effect of flooding the market with ill-gotten alex was to devalue these many players' work for the sake of the very few. No, this cheating did not result in a net benefit for the server.

And let's put all of our cards on the table here. The bulk of the widely-known NA alexandrite cheaters on Sylph came from your linkshell, along with a couple from TLoU. If S-E had punished the cheaters in the proper fashion, with the perman-bans that they deserve, then Pen15 would basically cease to exist on our server.

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But with this exploit happening, the supply rose and the idea of making a mythic became a reality for more people, especially with the prices (slowly) dropping. I can remember multiple instances where people were shouting to buy Alexandrite and competing with each other just so they would get to buy it instead of the other person. Once again, a supply problem that shouldn't be happening.

When SE made it so you can enter Salvage it was one of the best things to happen, yet it also had a downside. While the accessibility was great for everyone, it also increased the number of players making mythics. Not only are those players not selling any Alexandrite they are getting, but they are likely also adding to the amount of buyers, thus lowering the supply yet again.

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Nonsense. I made a mythic starting in December without buying from any huge pools of cheat currency. I bought 100-200 at a time from a few players who were farming Salvage for money towards relics/etc., many LS mates, and when the supply went short I farmed the last 10k myself. It took a couple of months of 45 minutes a day (for two players), but that's reasonable for one of the best weapons in the game. Even when people were shouting to compete over alex, I still managed to find some to buy. So don't tell me that we needed cheating to supply players building mythics with alex. It just isn't accurate.

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Should there be/have been repercussions for taking advantage of this exploit? Of course. The big question is to what extent. SE pretty much made it clear that they can't afford to lose these subscriptions. A rollback or taking away the items people got is a possibility, but I'm of the opinion that will have the same effect as a ban. I almost feel like it would have been better for SE to just fix the exploit (which they did) and leave it at that. Most people probably didn't even know about it until the suspensions hit. I'm not sure how feasible it is, but I imagine SE could add tags to these accounts (similar to the Mentor tag). That way those with the "better than thou" attitude can avoid doing events/activities with these players and those who don't care can continue on as normal.

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Why should Square-Enix jump through hoops to mark players as scumbags? Just ban anyone who took advantage of the Salvage exploit. If they want to come back, get a new account, or stay gone. It'd suck to lose some of the crafters on Sylph but so be it, these players made their choice.

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So don't tell me that we needed cheating to supply players building mythics with alex. It just isn't accurate.

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I don't see where he said it was needed. He said it helped. If I run out of gas, it may take me 15 minutes to push my car to a gas station. However, a car with 3 roided body builders stopped and helped me push my car to the gas station, taking only 3 minutes. Sure, they're cheats and they did HELP me get to the gas station. If I said that they were of help, it doesn't mean that I'm saying they were needed.

Nobody told you that anyone NEEDED cheating, you just decided to throw words in someone's mouth.

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My personal thoughts. The trick is supposedly patched/fixed. They can't go back and change any harm done; unless you're proposing somehow a perma-ban would do that? (If so, please elaborate). SE did the punishment of their choosing. If you want to decide the punishment yourself, apply to become senior GM for FFXI and then do it yourself

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Originally Posted by Safiyyah

You are really going to try to paint the players using this exploit to make billions of gil and/or multiple mythics as a net positive?

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Nowhere in my post did I say it was a net positive. I just stated that there were positive aspects to it.

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Originally Posted by Safiyyah

And let's put all of our cards on the table here. The bulk of the widely-known NA alexandrite cheaters on Sylph came from your linkshell, along with a couple from TLoU. If S-E had punished the cheaters in the proper fashion, with the perman-bans that they deserve, then Pen15 would basically cease to exist on our server.

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Clearly you're butthurt about something someone in our linkshell did to you since you like bringing up our ls all the time. Maybe you had a talk with Kingzak. Meeting him is usually enough to piss people off.

Also, if you knew so much about our linkshell you would know that the ls is pretty much dead aside from a handful of members that still play the game (and by play the game I mean stand in town doing nothing).

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Originally Posted by Safiyyah

So don't tell me that we needed cheating to supply players building mythics with alex. It just isn't accurate.

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Originally Posted by Safiyyah

when the supply went short I farmed the last 10k myself.

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Thanks for contradicting yourself and validating my claim.

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Originally Posted by Safiyyah

Why should Square-Enix jump through hoops to mark players as scumbags? Just ban anyone who took advantage of the Salvage exploit. If they want to come back, get a new account, or stay gone. It'd suck to lose some of the crafters on Sylph but so be it, these players made their choice.

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It was made as a suggestion to appease butthurt players like you who aren't happy with the "punishment" SE did give out.

Have you not noticed how dead the server is already? By all means, go join one of the daily shouts that takes hours to fill up because we're already low on players willing to do anything. Clearly banning active players that occasionally join these shouts is the way to go. Ban these players and I guarantee you that you'll be bitching about the lack of players in the game making it unable for you to do events.

Tos pls. Sometimes I do laps up and down port jeuno, not just afk.

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Originally Posted by Redbeam

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My personal thoughts. The trick is supposedly patched/fixed.

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Just confirming that it is in fact fixed. I've talked to a couple people who were suspended and they confirmed that the exploit no longer works. The Khimaira no longer respawns after the first time. it was actually patched a couple days before the suspensions hit.

Edit in my last post, "can" was supposed to be "can't" lol. That probably made no sense.

and yea, if it's patched, idk what further harm could be done by said perps, so is there even a reason to perma? They perma ban RMT for example to prevent them from doing RMT in the future. Theoretically (which I know is impossible), if there were a way to completely end RMT, then I don't see why there'd be a reason to go back and ban everyone who had did it in the past, as it will do nothing to enhance the game for anyone from that point on

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Originally Posted by Tomiko

Nowhere in my post did I say it was a net positive. I just stated that there were positive aspects to it.

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There sure were, for the people who exploited the glitch.

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Originally Posted by Tomiko

Clearly you're butthurt about something someone in our linkshell did to you since you like bringing up our ls all the time. Maybe you had a talk with Kingzak. Meeting him is usually enough to piss people off.

Also, if you knew so much about our linkshell you would know that the ls is pretty much dead aside from a handful of members that still play the game (and by play the game I mean stand in town doing nothing).

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I don't know anyone in your linkshell, and outside of a few VW pickups, have never had any dealings with anyone in your linkshell. I'm just stating a fact- the most obvious offenders among NAs on Sylph came from your linkshell. The reason why I pointed that out is because I don't want players from other servers thinking that you are offering your unbiased perspective on this issue.

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Originally Posted by Tomiko

Thanks for contradicting yourself and validating my claim.

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It doesn't validate your claim in the slightest. There has always been alex available. Even if there's not that much in bazaars at any given time, buy from friends and lsmates, tons of people farm alex. And most jobs in ilvl gear can farm alex solo and finish a mythic in a reasonable amount of time. I did it myself, I know others who did it, and any "help" the exploit gave our server was minimal compared to the harm it caused.

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Originally Posted by Tomiko

It was made as a suggestion to appease butthurt players like you who aren't happy with the "punishment" SE did give out.

Have you not noticed how dead the server is already? By all means, go join one of the daily shouts that takes hours to fill up because we're already low on players willing to do anything. Clearly banning active players that occasionally join these shouts is the way to go. Ban these players and I guarantee you that you'll be bitching about the lack of players in the game making it unable for you to do events.

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I'm not "butthurt". The way S-E handled this was wrong, given the sheer size and scope of the cheat.

As far as the server being dead, I only run content with my LS, but I notice Sylph has been slow lately. If it gets even slower due to banning some cheaters, I'm fine with that. Some will come back, others won't, and the end result is that S-E sends the right message- cheat and get the boot. I feel zero sympathy for the cheaters.

At the very least, these players should have their character rolled back, mythics taken, and gil zero'ed. And I mean at the very least, that doesn't put the genie back in the bottle, but at least they won't personally benefit.

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Originally Posted by Safiyyah

I'm just stating a fact- the most obvious offenders among NAs on Sylph came from your linkshell. The reason why I pointed that out is because I don't want players from other servers thinking that you are offering your unbiased perspective on this issue.

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Since you're saying it's a fact, please enlighten me and list these obvious offenders. I'm not going to confirm or deny whether any of them did it or not (I know some who did in fact do it, and others who didn't even know about it until it was public). I'm mainly just curious who you think they are. I will confirm at least 1 person made it quite obvious though.

If the reason people are "obvious offenders" is because they have mythics, I can tell you that there were multiple people in our shell that were farming ADL before everyone started doing it.

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Originally Posted by Safiyyah

At the very least, these players should have their character rolled back, mythics taken, and gil zero'ed. And I mean at the very least, that doesn't put the genie back in the bottle, but at least they won't personally benefit.

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Sure, just make sure to rollback anyone these players helped as well. It's only fair. Wouldn't want anyone else to benefit off the cheaters after all.

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Obtaining 30x more alex a run than intended affects the entire economy.

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In many of the cases, I'm certain, but there are people who just made their own mythics with it. Assuming they wouldn't have made a mythic otherwise (aka not buy from other people), then those players had no effect on the economy

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Originally Posted by Tomiko

Nowhere in my post did I say it was a net positive. I just stated that there were positive aspects to it.

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Positive aspect in your subjective POV.

Generating more alex a run than intended is basically playing the game different from the intended design direction, nothing more and nothing less. If the game is designed to give player 100~200 alex a run, then player should get 100~200. There's nothing "positive" about it other than playing the way different from dev's original intention.

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Originally Posted by Redbeam

In many of the cases, I'm certain, but there are people who just made their own mythics with it. Assuming they wouldn't have made a mythic otherwise (aka not buy from other people), then those players had no effect on the economy

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The fact is, alex(and marrow as well.....) priced dropped at least 1/3 recently thanks to all those exploits.

So yes, it does affect economy.....alot.

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Originally Posted by Afania

If more ppl start to cheat, those who doesn't cheat would end up quitting because....who'd be interested in playing a game full of cheaters.

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The game is already full of cheaters. Using any 3rd party program (hello Windower) is cheating per the SE ToS (Terms of Service). The extent to which you violate the ToS doesn't matter since it's a violation all the same and can result in whatever punishment SE sees fit.

Let's settle this in ballista

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Originally Posted by Afania

The fact is, alex(and marrow as well.....) priced dropped at least 1/3 recently thanks to all those exploits.

So yes, it does affect economy.....alot.

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Marrows tanked in price due to EVERYONE killing ADL now and the demand for Marrows dropping significantly. Aside from a select few Relics, there's no point in upgrading most relics when you can get comparable/better options easier/cheaper. For example: Amano is complete garbage compared to Tsuru. Tsuru is also easy to get if you aren't a terrible player.

I will agree that the Salvage exploit did lower the price of Alexandrite. The price was fine/steady at first, but the price drop was noticeable as more people started doing it.

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Originally Posted by Redbeam

Let's settle this in ballista

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Nothing more to see here, folks.

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Originally Posted by Tomiko

The game is already full of cheaters. Using any 3rd party program (hello Windower) is cheating per the SE ToS (Terms of Service). The extent to which you violate the ToS doesn't matter since it's a violation all the same and can result in whatever punishment SE sees fit.

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Using windower is cheating, I never say it's not. Except it doesn't really affect the economy by 1/3 in a MMO known for focusing on economy.

Since some mules got perma ban for gil trading, I suppose not all cheating worth the same punishment in SE's POV.

It's more about not understand the logic behind 3 days ban when other ToS violation got different punishment. IF every 3rd pt tool user get a 3 days ban, it wouldn't be an issue as well.

It has no standard, period.

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Originally Posted by Tomiko

Marrows tanked in price due to EVERYONE killing ADL now and the demand for Marrows dropping significantly. Aside from a select few Relics, there's no point in upgrading most relics when you can get comparable/better options easier/cheaper. For example: Amano is complete garbage compared to Tsuru. Tsuru is also easy to get if you aren't a terrible player.

I will agree that the Salvage exploit did lower the price of Alexandrite. The price was fine/steady at first, but the price drop was noticeable as more people started doing it.

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I thought marrows tanked in price cuz of dyna exploit.

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Originally Posted by Afania

Since some mules got perma ban for gil trading, I suppose not all cheating worth the same punishment in SE's POV.

It's more about not understand the logic behind 3 days ban when other ToS violation got different punishment. IF every 3rd pt tool user get a 3 days ban, it wouldn't be an issue as well.

It has no standard, period.

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That I can agree with.

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You're also not taking into account all the players it helped. Before this exploit happened, Alexandrite supply was low and everyone that wanted to make a Mythic had to compete for what little supply was there. I have to imagine multiple players even bought from other servers because their server's supply didn't meet the demand. That shouldn't be happening.

But with this exploit happening, the supply rose and the idea of making a mythic became a reality for more people, especially with the prices (slowly) dropping. I can remember multiple instances where people were shouting to buy Alexandrite and competing with each other just so they would get to buy it instead of the other person. Once again, a supply problem that shouldn't be happening.

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Whether you agree with the amount of supply or not, it's as it is by the design of the devs. The quality of the weapons are based on the difficulty to obtain, if the devs decide that too many people now have mythics it will mean that when they get updated again they will be be nerfed back based on too many being available.

Devs always base the power of an item on difficulty to obtain and number of the items in-game.

More mythics = less impressive updates when REM are updated next time. You can say no but why else would they be limiting supply of alex as much as they are?

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Originally Posted by Pixela

Whether you agree with the amount of supply or not, it's as it is by the design of the devs. The quality of the weapons are based on the difficulty to obtain, if the devs decide that too many people now have mythics it will mean that when they get updated again they will be be nerfed back based on too many being available.

Devs always base the power of an item on difficulty to obtain and number of the items in-game.

More mythics = less impressive updates when REM are updated next time. You can say no but why else would they be limiting supply of alex as much as they are?

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You totally nailed it lol.

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Originally Posted by Tomiko

Since you're saying it's a fact, please enlighten me and list these obvious offenders. I'm not going to confirm or deny whether any of them did it or not (I know some who did in fact do it, and others who didn't even know about it until it was public). I'm mainly just curious who you think they are. I will confirm at least 1 person made it quite obvious though.

If the reason people are "obvious offenders" is because they have mythics, I can tell you that there were multiple people in our shell that were farming ADL before everyone started doing it.

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I will not name specific players from Sylph because this thread is not about specific players, or even a couple of linkshells, but a widespread problem that harmed many innocent players across all servers. If you would like to list the players from your linkshell who were involved in this cheat, you can feel free to do so; I certainly won't stop you, though I think it will cause this topic to derail further. I will list players from my linkshell who I know were involved in this:

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Originally Posted by Tomiko

Sure, just make sure to rollback anyone these players helped as well. It's only fair. Wouldn't want anyone else to benefit off the cheaters after all.

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If people knowingly bought alexandrite from cheaters, then sure. But that would be extremely difficult to prove, whereas S-E knows who directly benefited from this Salvage exploit.

If that were the case, empy weapons wouldn't suck as badly as they do.

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Originally Posted by Afania

I thought marrows tanked in price cuz of dyna exploit.

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Possibly, but I'm not sure since I stopped caring about Dynamis once the ADL group I was in stopped due to it not being worth it anymore. From the time I started to the time our group ended, Marrows went from about 20m each to not selling at 6m due to other groups killing it daily.

Now, at least on Sylph, Marrows barely ever sell at just over 3m each. I can't see the price being an issue, so I have to imagine it being a very small market that wants them now. And of course everyone undercuts each other.

That's just what I've seen, I can't speak for others.

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Originally Posted by Pixela

Devs always base the power of an item on difficulty to obtain and number of the items in-game.

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Then why is Tsurumaru better than Amanomurakumo?

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Originally Posted by Safiyyah

I will not name specific players from Sylph because this thread is not about specific players, or even a couple of linkshells, but a widespread problem that harmed many innocent players across all servers.

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Yet you named Penfifteen and TheLastOfUs in your posts.

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Originally Posted by Tomiko

Yet you named Penfifteen and TheLastOfUs in your posts.

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Like I said before, I felt I needed to qualify your post about the exploits for players who aren't on Sylph and/or weren't aware. You have admitted that members of your LS were involved in this cheating, and you advocate just fixing the exploit while letting the cheaters go about their merry way. I think your motives for posting that are fairly obvious.

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Originally Posted by Safiyyah

Like I said before, I felt I needed to qualify your post about the exploits for players who aren't on Sylph and/or weren't aware. You have admitted that members of your LS were involved in this cheating, and you advocate just fixing the exploit while letting the cheaters go about their merry way. I think your motives for posting that are fairly obvious.

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I'm not in TLoU, so why name drop them if that's the case? And you had already name dropped 1 person in the LS I'm in, so why should I deny that ls members were doing it?

I didn't deny that the people who were using the exploit should have received a more harsh punishment. I was surprised it was only the 72hr suspension. But I also see it as SE gave out the punishment THEY decided on. Just because you/myself/anyone else may not agree with the punishment that was given doesn't mean that they need to punish these people again. I'm sure SE has their reasons for choosing what they did, and for all we know they could be doing more down the road.

Realistically, nothing is likely to come of any of this. SE is going to do what they want. No one is going to quit because some players most never interacted with cheated. Sure, it sucks knowing they're "getting away with it" but what is complaining going to accomplish? You're just going to make yourself angry thinking about it. And in your best case scenario, let's say they get banned. Will that make you truly happy?

If it's any consolation, there's probably quite a few that will be quitting the game next week when Destiny comes out. :)

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Originally Posted by Tomiko

I'm not in TLoU, so why name drop them if that's the case? And you had already name dropped 1 person in the LS I'm in, so why should I deny that ls members were doing it?

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I mentioned TLoU in passing, with no special malice, as being heavily involved with this cheating as well. Just like with P15, I don't have anything for or against that shell. For what it's worth, I didn't name drop Tigerwoods, I linked to his post so that other players could see the details of the exploit for themselves. Pixela was the one who posted his name, which was fine, as he really named-dropped himself by bragging about getting away with taking advantage of the exploit.

I wouldn't have expected you to confirm or deny anything. I think if I were you I wouldn't have posted at all, since several members of your LS were temp-banned for the exploit. Of course, you are still entitled to your opinion, whatever it may be rooted in ;)

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Originally Posted by Tomiko

I didn't deny that the people who were using the exploit should have received a more harsh punishment. I was surprised it was only the 72hr suspension. But I also see it as SE gave out the punishment THEY decided on. Just because you/myself/anyone else may not agree with the punishment that was given doesn't mean that they need to punish these people again. I'm sure SE has their reasons for choosing what they did, and for all we know they could be doing more down the road.

Realistically, nothing is likely to come of any of this. SE is going to do what they want. No one is going to quit because some players most never interacted with cheated. Sure, it sucks knowing they're "getting away with it" but what is complaining going to accomplish?

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But this is the place to communicate with S-E about in-game issues. It's true that nothing may come of this, but after discussing it with friends in-game, I decided to make this topic, and I am glad that I did. Square-Enix may be doing a further investigation, and planning on perma-bans, or they may not be. I hope they are, and I doubt that making this topic has hurt the chances of that happening. At the very least it calls attention to the incident for people who don't visit FFXIAH or BG.

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Originally Posted by Tomiko

You're just going to make yourself angry thinking about it. And in your best case scenario, let's say they get banned. Will that make you truly happy?

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It's not about whether I'm happy or angry. It's about whether or not punishments are consistent and reasonable. The reaction to this incident fails both of those criteria, in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Tomiko

If it's any consolation, there's probably quite a few that will be quitting the game next week when Destiny comes out. :)

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That's immaterial.