FINAL FANTASY XI JOBS TIER II

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Originally Posted by Leatherman

Before BLU was announced there was a huge noise and people where trying to guess what job was going to be made available and Geomancer was one of them :D Just something that came to memory.

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i tought that was with sch when WOTG was coming out

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Originally Posted by Chronofantasy

I think the list of tier II should be something like this:

WAR > Gladiator/Berserker/Viking
MNK > Fighter/Black belt
BRD > Time Mage/Songstress
BLU > Magus/
RDM > Seer/Red Wizard
WHM > Sage/Oracle/Bishop
THF > Assassin
RNG > Sniper
BST > Necromancer
SCH > Geomancer
COR > Cannoneer/Gambler
DRG > Lancer
BLM > Black Wizard/Sorcerer
PLD > Defender
DRK > Holy Knight
SAM > Mediator
NIN > Assassin/Mutant
SMN > Devout
PUP > Clown/Trickster
DNC > Acrobat

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I kliked this till i reached drk from there down i became ify, DRK should not be holy anything, maybe death knight. SAM maybe like ronin i guess. NIN i would def say shinobi. SMN i would say caller cus evoker does sound like a step down, i agree with that comment. pup and dnc upgrade were cool as well.

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Originally Posted by Angelsasuke

I kliked this till i reached drk from there down i became ify, DRK should not be holy anything, maybe death knight. SAM maybe like ronin i guess. NIN i would def say shinobi. SMN i would say caller cus evoker does sound like a step down, i agree with that comment. pup and dnc upgrade were cool as well.

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I agree, PLD would be holy knight because... THAT's what they are if you look at their job description. I don't think bst is really a necromancer though. Nin could not be an Assassin because the relic gear for thf is Assassin's, you also have it listed for 2 different jobs. I am all for the tier 2's of the jobs though. Any of these systems to have roots in good ideas.

PUP= Jester, Bst = Tamer, PLD= Divine Shield, Smn= YuGiOh(j/k) War= Breaker, Monk= Fighter, Whm= Healer/Watcher Blm= Necromancer, Rdm= Trickster, Nin= Assassin, Sam= Shogun, Thf= Brotherhood, Dnc= Stepmaster, Cor= omg omg Pirate, Ranger= Sharpshooter ....

...but isnt our job upgrade called "Artifact" and "empyreon" armor?

Aside from the name/conversion list I posted. I feel that a whole set of levels for the step up wouldn't be well-liked, having to level again and all. Perhaps a certain criteria should be reached, that simply switches your job's name to one of these. Like maxing out merits for the job plus whatever the new merit system will be for the 99 cap. And Maybe one set of armor or ability/spell for these classes to distinguish them further. This way, the game wouldn't become horribly unbalanced.

but the game isnt horribly unbalanced... se make a point of not giving us what we want to preserve said balance

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Originally Posted by Zyeriis

Aside from the name/conversion list I posted. I feel that a whole set of levels for the step up wouldn't be well-liked, having to level again and all. Perhaps a certain criteria should be reached, that simply switches your job's name to one of these. Like maxing out merits for the job plus whatever the new merit system will be for the 99 cap. And Maybe one set of armor or ability/spell for these classes to distinguish them further. This way, the game wouldn't become horribly unbalanced.

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I'd like to level something new and wouldn't mind going to parties (not abyssea leech) and experience the game again with something new and refreshing, not only me but it's nice to see others learning their new abilities and finding out what they can do with it. If you simply change to the new job you wouldn't really experience that job, isn't that true?

I like the ideas people are coming up with, but haven't seen major ideas sprouts as the possibilities, job abilities, 2hrs, new contents.

I propose Tier II jobs, not necessary all jobs, but I do understand the difficulty and the fear of game imbalance. I'm simply curious of what people come up with, the possibilities. I want to see some creativity magic form! :D

There is so much job imbalance as is lol, don't see much change from what it is right now.

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Originally Posted by Leatherman

There is so much job imbalance as is lol, don't see much change from what it is right now.

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Originally Posted by Leatherman

There is so much job imbalance as is lol, don't see much change from what it is right now.

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Being different and being unbalanced are not the same thing. Like red instead of black producing 3 for 1. Eventualy people will get used to it.

I actually like this idea and fully support it. Reminds me of the "upgrade" you got from the original Final Fantasy, where you had to go to the Castle of Ordeals, get the Rat's Tail and deliver it to Bahamut.

I love leveling jobs but since all of my jobs are 70+ except for COR being able to level the "old school" way is pretty much out the window. I'd love to be able to level in the n00b zones again!

My ideas for job upgrades.

WAR - GLD (Gladiator)
MNK - MST (Master)
THF - BRG (Brigand)
WHM - DVT (Devout)
BLM - BWZ (Black Wizard)
RDM - MSK (Mystic Knight) """I had a hard time thinking of this one, but RDM with all of it's En-Spells fits the Mystic Knight of FF5 perfectly)

PLD - HOK (Holy Knight) or WHK (White Knight)
DRK - BLK (Black Knight)
BRD - """"I can't think of anything here"""
BST - TAM (Tamer)
RNG - SNP (Sniper) or HNT (Hunter)
DRG - LNC (Lancer) or DKN (Dragon Knight)
SAM - BSH (Bushido)
NIN - ASN (Assassin)
SMN - CAL (Caller)
BLU - MAG (Magus)
COR - PRT (Pirate) or GMB (Gambler)
PUP - JST (Jester)
DNC - PRF (Performer)
SCH - SGE (Sage)

BRD = Justin Bieber

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Originally Posted by Chiibi

BRD = Justin Bieber

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At least Bieber is a lot better than Rebecca Black chick.......FRIDAY, FRIDAY, NEXT DAY IS SATURDAY.....GAWD CUT MY WRIST DEEP ALREADY!!1!111

Bard would be Minstrel or Maestro.

Summoner could become Beckon Mage, a tribute to Bacon Mage. /joke
Summoner could become a Conjurer.
Paladin could also become Crusader. (or Cruorsader, if i wanna make a joke)

Mnk >> Sumo Monk uses body and so would sumo no idea on abilities other than they would be physically based,

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Originally Posted by Zyeriis

As for Red Mage, Onion Knight or something would probably work better. Or Magic Knight. (Or Mythic Knight)
Samurai would become a Shogun or Master Samurai.
Dragoon would become Lancer.
Beastmaster would become Beastmeister (slight joke)
Puppetmaster would become Puppeteer or Engineer.
Blue Mage would become Magus
Corsair would become Admiral (or something).
Paladin would become Cavalier.
Dark Knight would become Black Knight.
White Mage would become Devout, White Wizard, or Shaman.
Scholar would become Sage.
Black Mage would become Black Wizard or Warlock.
Thief would become Master Thief or Brigand.
Monk, I don't care. Least favorite job.
Bard would become Minstrel or Maestro.
Dancer would become Performer (or something).
Ninja would become Master Ninja.
Ranger would become Warden or Hunter.

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Eh. My thoughts:

WHM > Prophet or Cleric
RDM > Warlock or Estoqueur
BLM > Sorcerer or Elementalist
THF > Rogue or Assassin
WAR > Viking, Gladiator or Warlord
MNK > Ascetic or Pugilist
SAM > Ronin or Shogun
NIN > Koga, Iga or Shinobi.
PLD > Templar
BST > Warden
DRG > Lancer
BLU > Magus
SCH > Sage
BRD > Minstrel or Maestro.
SMN > Demonologist or Mystic

Unlisted are ones I couldn't think of anything for.

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Originally Posted by Leatherman

I see a lot of ideas for new jobs here and I thought maybe we should create Tiers of current jobs. For example: WHM > Devout (following a line of thinking similar to Final Fantasy Tactics), RDM > Time Mage, WAR > Gladiator and so forth, instead of just creating these jobs and making available to anyone that purchase the expansion/add-on/scenario you would have to complete quest and meet a "certain" requirement such as, to open Time Mage flag you would have to Level UP RDM to 99 first and so on to the Tier II job levels.

Please post your ideas of job upgrades for the Tier II, it could even have a second branch of one individual job and even combos for that matter, BST99/DRG99 to become Dragontamer and go capture your own "Dragon" not only having a little wyvern to fight with you.

Perhaps these jobs could be slightly stronger then their previous jobs due to the requirements. Able to use their Job Requirement Specific gears.

SMN maybe going into Evoker, where the Avatars consume no MP and have the ability to fuse with the Avatars sharing stats from gear and SUBJOB.

I'm curious to know what ideas people come up with under this thread.

Thanks for participating.

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These are good ideas leatherman, and I'd love to see a system similiar to this, though I would do it a little differently. This is what I would do, and it could be incorporated into the current system a lot easier as well.

Once the level cap has attained it's final peak I think players should be able to do a quest that allows them to unlock a single sub job to where they can take it all the way. That would allow players to customize the mastery of their jobs similiar to what you are saying without introducing an entirely new system. This would give players a lot more individuality at the end of the game also.

So for example if a dragoon wanted to be a "dragon tamer" he could choose beastmaster as his ultimate sub job and take it all the way, thus fusing the two jobs together into it's own unique class.

This would be really cool I think, and allow all sorts of new classes to be created and would only need to fuse together the current ones - and perhaps they could add new abilities and spells only allowed to certain combinations for even more options. Paladins and White Mages for example could combine to become a Cleric or a Templar like class. Black Mages and White Mages could combine to become like FuSoYa from Final Fantasy 3, or a Ranger could combine with a White Mage to mimic Rosa. Warriors could combine with Samurai to become like your "Gladiator". Possiblities are pretty endless.

PUP should upgrade to ENG Engineer

Ability to summon/create Martelos to boost party/alliance with TP/HP/MP regen
A more in depth Automaton like those big metal monsters from ToAU.
Able to repair Martelos and what not. Different type of of Martellos such as DEF,ATK,MAB,MDB and so forth. Able to Summon 2 types or maybe max-out with Merit Points Lv3 to a total of 3 Martelos.

Another thing, these jobs would NOT be able to be selected as Support Jobs. So no worries about how would people use them as support.

Final Fantasy I had job upgrades even. White Mage - White Wizard, Black Mage - Black Wizard, Red Mage - Red Wizard, Black Belt - Master, Thief - Ninja, Fighter - Knight. I know this can't change exactly like this, as thief and ninja are seperate jobs now, but this is pretty much how it happened. They introduced higher stats, ninja gained use of black magic like drk and knight gained use of white magic like pld. Also, the mages gained access to more spells themselves upon upgrading.

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Originally Posted by Zyeriis

Turning Red Mage into Time Mage wouldn't work as Red Mage uses swords, Time Mage shouldn't have melee capabilities.
I'd rather see Warrior turn to Berserker or Viking.
Summoner becoming an Evoker sounds like a step down and with your description I think it would be better to call it "Attuner" or something else.

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Evoker > summoner, be funny to see the flip work lol.

this reset idea would encourage us meeting new people if they somehow stop astral flow and abyssea leech leveling.

I would really support it if SE could really give big expand to the game ( have to get rid of ps2)

Here's a few I have been thinking about, I don't know how effective they'd be but it'd be cool to see;

NINv2: Given abilities similar to the Kuji-Kiri, the nine cuts, to boost their abilities in specific actions like damage, shadow tanking etc.. Info taken from Wikipedia

• Rin: Strength of mind and body, att+ STR+ buffs maybe
• Pyo: Direction of Energy, Increased effectiveness of self-buff ninjutsu
• Toh: Harmony with the universe, acc+ and/or abilities to ensure you're holding the mobs attention
• Sha: Healing of self and others, exactly what it says on the tin
• Kai: Premonition of danger, Seigan/Third Eye-like effect
• Jin: Knowing the thoughts of others, increased evasion, parry, defensive stats + enmity for tanking
• Retsu: Mastery of time and space, increased accuracy/success with enfeebling ninjutsu
• Zai: Control of the elements of nature, increased accuracy/damage with elemental ninjutsu
• Zen: Enlightenment, knowing the weaknesses of your enemies, intimidating them and stuff?

RDMv2: Enhancing their sword skills and enhancements, making them more of a front line mage and give them W-Magic/Doublecast or similar abilities to affect their spellcasting amount/effectiveness.

PLDv2: Brick s&#$ house tank with good offensive capability, ability to protect party members from severe damaging attacks without having to reposition self and also to manage enmity more effectively.

SAMv2: Increased ability to coordinate skillchains and to boost the ability of party members to join with them in creating more powerful skillchains, Lv.4+ maybe? ^^;

DRKv2: Batman! Give them a tool belt with some toys to climb up buildings like Adam West, seriously though, I have no idea what to do with DRK.

Instead of creating a new char class...Tier2 could be the impetus to some really kickazz t3 merits. For example at 99 MNK becomes and gets title of Grandmaster (Blu=Immortal, etc) and would open up merits with some of the abilities ya want implemented. I'm sure it would be easier than opening 20 new jobs.

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Originally Posted by Auredant

Instead of creating a new char class...Tier2 could be the impetus to some really kickazz t3 merits. For example at 99 MNK becomes and gets title of Grandmaster (Blu=Immortal, etc) and would open up merits with some of the abilities ya want implemented. I'm sure it would be easier than opening 20 new jobs.

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You wouldn't even need 20. You can have it that you would need multiple capped jobs in order to gain access to the few new ones. Then once all of the new are capped, you gain access to the final.

as a followup...in this way a WAR (general, barbarian gladiator?) could become a literal blood tank. for every hit it takes its attack rating jumps allowing it to hold hate through damage (which, admittedly it can anyway) as long as its cure bombed. its attack would be cumulative but there would have to be a severe drawback to this that i haven't thought up yet. defense down would be obvious but i dont really wanna mimic a perm souleater type effect.

If you did sacrifice your old job to begin again at lvl 1 with the new stronger version, I see a big issue. After a while, when enough players have done this, it would make it virtually impossible/veeeery difficult for any new players, or old players lvling new jobs, to level...

Everyone would be going for the tier 2 jobs to lvl with and leave the tier 1s in the dust, I'm sure there would be people who'd even wait for a tier 2 to pop up even if tier 1 jobs were available (basically how it was for old school drg way back, except for every tier 1 job). And yes I know you could say they could just solo up now with the fancy boost in xp yield and everything else, but thats just not what ffxi is about...

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Originally Posted by Ongaku

If you did sacrifice your old job to begin again at lvl 1 with the new stronger version, I see a big issue. After a while, when enough players have done this, it would make it virtually impossible/veeeery difficult for any new players, or old players lvling new jobs, to level...

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You can solo now.

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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

You wouldn't even need 20. You can have it that you would need multiple capped jobs in order to gain access to the few new ones. Then once all of the new are capped, you gain access to the final.

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I agree, don't need 20 new jobs. If we could come up with some that would be considered Tier II and yes they would be stronger than average. At least 1 tank, 1 healer and 4 DD 1-2 Support.

Tank = Crusader
Healer = Devout
Damage Dealer = Geomancer, Fighter, Assassin, Wizard...
Support = Performer, Engineer, Pirate

2hrs for tank: Goddess Blessings - Absorbs phisical and magical damage for a short period of time. Generates incredible ammount of hate.

Healer's 2hrs: Resurrection - Heals and revive everyone in party/alliance within range. Death penalty cut in half.

Just some random ideas...

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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

You can solo now.

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and i said...

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And yes I know you could say they could just solo up now with the fancy boost in xp yield and everything else, but thats just not what ffxi is about...

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Originally Posted by Ongaku

And yes I know you could say they could just solo up now with the fancy boost in xp yield and everything else, but thats just not what ffxi is about...

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It is now.

Ive thought about this for several years now. i thought it would be a good idea to to have several jobs leveled to a certain level to unlock another tier. for example, war 75 + mnk 75 = gladiator or blm 75 + rdm 75 = necromancer. but i think someone has already covered this in the thread somewhere. good idea though.

Chiibi what programs do you use to touch up your animations?

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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

It is now.

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Hardly, FFXI is, and always will be, pting. The fact that I have to even stat that here is a little sad...

DRG 75 + PUP 75 = PUPPET KNIGHT

Can there be a Bee Mage?

I was reading through and i think the way they could balance this and still be awesome make it so tier II job classes can't use sub job so what you have if you picked the tier II sam is the equivalent of sam with sub of sam and then give access to job abilities and spells early and give slightly better and more bonuses so no sub job to try and make up the short comings of a job.

bacon mage got locked and this gets 8 pages? whats the difference?

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Originally Posted by Hanabira

bacon mage got locked and this gets 8 pages? whats the difference?

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This has legitimacy.

Dark Knight > Death

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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

This has legitimacy.

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having a lv.99 subjob and merging it into a superjob? and catching dragons? its the same as baconmage, random and never gonna happen

just the first part breaks one of the basic foundations of game balance