Whats the point of a double xp weekend if it doesnt affect abyssea or gov?

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Originally Posted by Fynlar

Loss of killspeed wouldn't be made up for by doubled mob EXP alone, not even close.

If you think that isn't true, you've never been in a good GoV group >_>

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I've been in some pretty fast book burns. dobling the kill XP absolutely would make up for loss of killspeed. If you're killing stuff worth single digit EXP, you're going too low, as you should be able to kill higher EXP mobs than that very quickly. If not, then you're playing with some pretty terrible DPS.

I just love how the lazy people come and complain about something SE doesn't have to give us at all, I for one am looking forward to it.

GoV burns are just pure laziness, the same as leeching from lv30 in abyssea, I don't see how any of you can take pride in such laziness.

Going by Gusgen, there are I think at most 10 mobs for page 1 within the normal area for level 13ish parties. Say you kill all 10 every 5 minutes, pages cap at about 1300 xp, so average of 2600 xp every 5 minutes. Fight in Dunes, double xp weekend, 50% xp ring, you get 400 xp per kill normally, now it will be around 1k. So long as you can kill 3 mobs in 5 minutes in a dunes party at level 13, you should be able to maintain a higher xp rate in dunes than you could in Gusgen. Thats so long as my math is correct at least.

Now the downfalls, Dunes will expect you to have better gear, rather than Gusgen where you can literally go naked and do ok. Dune also takes more time, and an actual setup, rather than just a bring what you want kind of party where anything works, and you can just pop in at any time without any real work. So even though Dunes may award more xp at that level, and faster leveling, it takes more work and time overall due to what is needed for it to actually be done.

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Originally Posted by wildsprite

GoV burns are just pure laziness, the same as leeching from lv30 in abyssea, I don't see how any of you can take pride in such laziness.

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I take no pride in it, however at the same time I will continue to do it. My reason is simple, fun, I want to have fun at level 99, leveling bores me now, used to be nice, not so much anymore, now I prefer level 99 activities. If I want to play SMN, its level 1, for now, I can take it to 99 in 3 days easily, gear it up, and then play with it and have fun. Leveling it in a way that is not 'lazy' would make me hate leveling the job and by the time I finished it up I would no longer really want to play it. I would be 'burnt out' from all of the work needed just to get the job to such a level that my want to play it as I once did would be gone.

An example of this is BLU, I loved BLU when I started it up originally, got it up to level 63 between parties, solo, and duo, after that, I got my AF gear, got it to 70, and then finally went to Abyssea. Now, I hate BLU and never play it, part of which is because of all that time I spent leveling the job which I could have done in less than a week and jumped right into the meat of what the job is for me at the end.

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I just love how the lazy people come and complain about something SE doesn't have to give us at all, I for one am looking forward to it.

GoV burns are just pure laziness, the same as leeching from lv30 in abyssea, I don't see how any of you can take pride in such laziness.

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One could even say, playing a Video game is pure laziness in general. I mean one could totally find something better to do.

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Originally Posted by Krashport

One could even say, playing a Video game is pure laziness in general. I mean one could totally find something better to do.

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Right, but if you're being lazy IN your lazy activity, you might as well not be doing it.

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

Leveling it in a way that is not 'lazy' would make me hate leveling the job and by the time I finished it up I would no longer really want to play it. I would be 'burnt out' from all of the work needed just to get the job to such a level that my want to play it as I once did would be gone.

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that is just pathetic, it truly is. I worked hard to get my jobs I have above 90 to that point, and I didn't burn out on them, if you do burn out on them I think you are honestly playing the wrong game

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Originally Posted by wildsprite

that is just pathetic, it truly is. I worked hard to get my jobs I have above 90 to that point, and I didn't burn out on them, if you do burn out on them I think you are honestly playing the wrong game

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I get burned out on them because when I actually want to play it, I want to play it. When I saw my friend play BLU, it looked like a good fun job, going through the pain of leveling that job, and getting all of its spells, made me no longer want to play it, it made me hate the job rather than enjoy it. Leveling my BLM to 99 in a week, I enjoyed that job a ton, and still do enjoy it on the occasion I play the job, I never regretted it since I leveled it.

BLU is tedious to get spells for anyway, regardless of how you play it, comparing it to a job that buys or quests all of its spells really isnt a good comparison

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Originally Posted by wildsprite

that is just pathetic, it truly is. I worked hard to get my jobs I have above 90 to that point, and I didn't burn out on them, if you do burn out on them I think you are honestly playing the wrong game

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Some of us enjoy the content the game has to offer a lot more than the level-up experience.

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Originally Posted by wildsprite

that is just pathetic, it truly is. I worked hard to get my jobs I have above 90 to that point, and I didn't burn out on them, if you do burn out on them I think you are honestly playing the wrong game

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Translation: You're not like me so you're doin' it wrong.

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I've been in some pretty fast book burns. dobling the kill XP absolutely would make up for loss of killspeed.

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If you actually parsed it all out you'd know that isn't true, especially at lower level "traditional" camps.

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Originally Posted by wildsprite

I just love how the lazy people come and complain about something SE doesn't have to give us at all, I for one am looking forward to it.

GoV burns are just pure laziness, the same as leeching from lv30 in abyssea, I don't see how any of you can take pride in such laziness.

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These are the kind of people that dont understand that its my 15 dollars and i can do what i want to, which includes aby burning to 99 as fast as possible. Just how these people can stay outside of abyssea and do fov pages.

I never said in my OP that leveling outside was wrong, just that this double xp weekend will hardly affect how people will xp, and your going to have to logically agree with me on this.

No worm party is going to move to a camp on boyahda tree for example just because the double xp event has started, they are going to stay right where they are and keep xping.

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Originally Posted by Fishyface

These are the kind of people that dont understand that its my 15 dollars and i can do what i want to, which includes aby burning to 99 as fast as possible. Just how these people can stay outside of abyssea and do fov pages.

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oh no I understand perfectly its your money that you pay to play the game, I just don't understand how you can cheapen your experience doing the book burn and leech parties ending up in endgame with no skills or severely gimped skills, the time it takes to max out your skills after you level that fast is horrid.

and to be honest, you're from my home world of Bahamut where the majority of people when I left had a elitist pimp or gimp attitude, I'm surprised you get into any endgame at all on that world.

but hey don't try to explain it, its been explained and I still don't understand

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Originally Posted by Fishyface

Whats the point of a double xp weekend if it doesnt affect abyssea

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This, right here, is the reason why making Abyssea available at Lv. 30 was one of the absolute worst mistakes made by the FFXI Development Team.

And although Grounds of Valor was a terrific idea "in theory", it unfortunately is being massively exploited by players for gil, which unfortunately, includes RMT activity.

Hey Fishyface, I see you're a 99 SMN, but you've probably got the skill level of a 30 SMN (most likely 20 SMN but I'm being generous). At least you'd be somewhat useful in Promyvion Holla/Dem/Mea.

But no, you wanted to get to 99 as quickly as possible. Obviously completely neglecting your Summoning Magic and other related skills. Though you have the 99, you're about as useful as toilet paper in endgame activities. I say toilet paper, because your lack of skill will most likely result in a WIPE.

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Originally Posted by Siviard

Hey Fishyface, I see you're a 99 SMN, but you've probably got the skill level of a 30 SMN (most likely 20 SMN but I'm being generous). At least you'd be somewhat useful in Promyvion Holla/Dem/Mea.

But no, you wanted to get to 99 as quickly as possible. Obviously completely neglecting your Summoning Magic and other related skills. Though you have the 99, you're about as useful as toilet paper in endgame activities. I say toilet paper, because your lack of skill will most likely result in a WIPE.

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cant never understand these kinda people. burning smn all the way to 99 and still got the skills of a lvl 20. then joins a event with badly gimp skills that wipe partys. but hey it their $12.95. 2013 here comes the gimps!

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Originally Posted by Siviard

Hey Fishyface, I see you're a 99 SMN, but you've probably got the skill level of a 30 SMN (most likely 20 SMN but I'm being generous). At least you'd be somewhat useful in Promyvion Holla/Dem/Mea.

But no, you wanted to get to 99 as quickly as possible. Obviously completely neglecting your Summoning Magic and other related skills. Though you have the 99, you're about as useful as toilet paper in endgame activities. I say toilet paper, because your lack of skill will most likely result in a WIPE.

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I can get from 1 to 99 and cap my skills faster than leveling 1 to 99 without any leeching. Whats your point? You don't like fast leveling? Making skill ups sound hard is stupid, I have BRD99, guess what, its skills are that of a level 70 after I spent about 2 hours skilling, leveling normally it would be at about 45 at best right now, and whenever I wanna play it I will actually cap its skills. People who level jobs to 99 and take them out with shit skills are fools, but so are people who think every person who leeches actually does that.

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

I can get from 1 to 99 and cap my skills faster than leveling 1 to 99 without any leeching.

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This quote above me is about as asinine as Fox News proclaiming victory for Mitt Romney.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

The point is it makes EXPing otuside of abyssea more viable. It might not affect the EXP given by GOV itself but it still affects the exp from the monsters you're killing for the GoV pages.

Also note that because you're getting more EXP, you're also getting more conquest points or IS, as those are based on the EXP you earn. if you still have your EXP band from the anniversary, you'll get quad EXP (because the notice states that it stacks with that)

I think what they mean to say is "the double EXP effect stacks with the Dedication effect multiplicatively."

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That's great and true and all but I feel the complaints in the OP, and from posters, is basically saying that it's not enough of a carrot to have people xp in those areas. Further more, if the concept is to get people to xp in those zones more often, one weekend is not going to change anything. What is required is a permeant fix, and not a weak attempt.

After reading this entire thread, I can understand now why Tanaka said Abyssea was a mistake.

Don't get me wrong, Abyssea is a terrific place to get your AF3 +2's, Empyrean Weapons, etc. etc. But it's the fact that there is SO MUCH EXP that can be obtained in Abyssea combined with the Lv. 30 entry requirement that was the mistake.

It should have been at least Lv. 75 requirement for entry. At least if SE had done that, we'd have people burning jobs from 75-99 in Abyssea and end up with Lv. 75 skills at 99 (unless they GoV book burn leeched, which is different entirely). I'd take Lv. 75 skills over Lv. 30 skills anyday.

SE should really reconsider the amount of EXP given in Abyssea. Reduce it by at least 50% so that it is equal to the amount of EXP that can be obtained in a good "old school style" standard EXP party.

brb. iam going to just leech my Bachelor's Degree and skip Medical schools and go straight into being a DR and work right at the Hospitals

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Originally Posted by Siviard

This quote above me is about as asinine as Fox News proclaiming victory for Mitt Romney.

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Depending on the job, no. SMN, yes, might take about the same time or longer to skill. THF, DRK, SCH, BRD, NIN, all very easy jobs to cap. Every DD is easy, most mages are easy, there are only about 4 skills in the entire game that are time taking. Ninjutsu, Summoning, Enhancing, and Guard. The reason why is because 3 of these skills are limited to only 1 to 2 jobs and the other is simply not cast often in normal situations so to level it you basically have to focus only on it.

I capped all my NIN skills except Ninjutsu in less than 6 hours after leveling it, if you can tell me you can get a job from 1 to 99 in a full day without touching Abyssea pre-75, I would love to see it.

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Originally Posted by nyheen

brb. iam going to just leech my Bachelor's Degree and skip Medical schools and go straight into being a DR and work right at the Hospitals

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Nice comparison except that it is actually something you learn, rather than something where many numbers determine your performance. See, leeching something like that would matter because it is something you learn, then put the knowledge to use. In FFXI, you level, gain little knowledge of the actual things you will be doing with the job, and the skills which may or may not be gimped are easily leveled, where as in real life, you go through years of school for a reason, rather than in the game where if you level past a point quickly, you can make it up in a matter of hours, rather than a matter of weeks.

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Originally Posted by Siviard

Hey Fishyface, I see you're a 99 SMN, but you've probably got the skill level of a 30 SMN (most likely 20 SMN but I'm being generous). At least you'd be somewhat useful in Promyvion Holla/Dem/Mea.

But no, you wanted to get to 99 as quickly as possible. Obviously completely neglecting your Summoning Magic and other related skills. Though you have the 99, you're about as useful as toilet paper in endgame activities. I say toilet paper, because your lack of skill will most likely result in a WIPE.

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Summoning Magic Skill has never been able to keep up with XP rates. SMNs have always had to do lengthy skill up sessions post capping XP.

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Originally Posted by Siviard

Hey Fishyface, I see you're a 99 SMN, but you've probably got the skill level of a 30 SMN (most likely 20 SMN but I'm being generous). At least you'd be somewhat useful in Promyvion Holla/Dem/Mea.

But no, you wanted to get to 99 as quickly as possible. Obviously completely neglecting your Summoning Magic and other related skills. Though you have the 99, you're about as useful as toilet paper in endgame activities. I say toilet paper, because your lack of skill will most likely result in a WIPE.

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lol... omg you caught me ive never gone to skill up in my life! Thats why i have i never leveled nin and never got all the red proc weps leveled or capped katana or got ninjutsu to 300. Heck i dont even continue to level my skills at all! No sir i just book burn and ignore my skills completely cause thats the cool thing to do right?

/sarcasm

Do you know/care how crazy you sound? Skilling up is hard right?

(BTW i picked smn when i first registered to the forums, it doesnt accurately represent what i have played or play now)

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Originally Posted by Fynlar

Loss of killspeed wouldn't be made up for by doubled mob EXP alone, not even close.

If you think that isn't true, you've never been in a good GoV group >_>

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Gov isn't reserved for 18-man alliances, i'm sure there are plenty of people who do low man Gov pages.

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Originally Posted by Siviard

After reading this entire thread, I can understand now why Tanaka said Abyssea was a mistake.

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I put zero stock in Tanaka's opinion. The guy had no business trying to run an MMO.

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Don't get me wrong, Abyssea is a terrific place to get your AF3 +2's, Empyrean Weapons, etc. etc. But it's the fact that there is SO MUCH EXP that can be obtained in Abyssea combined with the Lv. 30 entry requirement that was the mistake.

It should have been at least Lv. 75 requirement for entry. At least if SE had done that, we'd have people burning jobs from 75-99 in Abyssea and end up with Lv. 75 skills at 99 (unless they GoV book burn leeched, which is different entirely). I'd take Lv. 75 skills over Lv. 30 skills anyday.

SE should really reconsider the amount of EXP given in Abyssea. Reduce it by at least 50% so that it is equal to the amount of EXP that can be obtained in a good "old school style" standard EXP party.

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You make the incredible assumptions that no one ever made it through levels 1-75 woefully underskilled in ye good olde days and that no one is responsible enough to get their skills caught up to a reasonable degree before doing events. You act as though pre-Abyssea was some golden age where everyone was awesome and responsible and that's simply not the case. I was there. I saw it. I leveled and did endgame events during that time. Take off the rose colored glasses and see things for what they really were back then. The differences between then and now aren't as stark as you seem to think.

All i can say is lvl thirty allowance was the mistake before aby even came out the creators said they envisioned abyssea as an endgame gearer and xp complimenter for higher level players, not as an end all be all for as far as OP's comment....... if you'ce ever taken the time to solo or do a group pty outside of abyssea you'll find the xp is significantly fast than inside abyssea if not the same with double xp. an easy prey mob with low defense takes the cake with 100+xp per kill dc starts topping 150's to 200 and EM mobs net a whopping 250-300 i believe....


Grab yourself a tank and a healer strap on that acc gear and go kick some ass! It's not often SE tests more modern day mmo xp event mechanics

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Originally Posted by Umichi

Grab yourself a tank and a healer

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This right here is why Abyssea and book-burning are so popular. They may not (or may) be able to compete with a properly built party, but properly built parties are a pain in the ass to properly build.

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

Nice comparison except that it is actually something you learn, rather than something where many numbers determine your performance. See, leeching something like that would matter because it is something you learn, then put the knowledge to use. In FFXI, you level, gain little knowledge of the actual things you will be doing with the job, and the skills which may or may not be gimped are easily leveled, where as in real life, you go through years of school for a reason, rather than in the game where if you level past a point quickly, you can make it up in a matter of hours, rather than a matter of weeks.

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isn't it this mentality that has brought this game to it's knees? back in the day you actually had to know stuff in order to play this game. these days the majority of players ingame that are vets most likely outnumbers all the new people... they've been [playing for years accomplished a character that took years to get up and have acess to alot more exclusve content or areas due to this expertise. then you have new players coming in going... "oh that's the effecient xp source?" and even older players support it (which btw book burning has far more benifits for well established players) and guess what they do? they flock to it...

a good example of this is I bet most people don't even know about the moon gate unless they actually looked it up. or that bibiki bay has a place for people around 75 to party up at.


one of the people from SE said it themselves they feel like this game is no longer garnering "skill" based play and skill takes time to master.

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Originally Posted by Ziyyigo-Tipyigo

This right here is why Abyssea and book-burning are so popular. They may not (or may) be able to compete with a properly built party, but properly built parties are a pain in the ass to properly build.

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auto group had potential but it came out to late to develop it. and these days i see paladins, ninjas all over the place, warrior is still getting adjusments as a support and pty friendly tank and with the advent of level sync and allowances of wearing your gears scaled to the level in level sync, multiple job adjustments, and FoV and GoV i have a hard time grasping why it is that there are barely any tanks...

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Originally Posted by Umichi

warrior is still getting adjusments as a... pty friendly tank

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S-E has been working on that for the past ten years, literally.

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i have a hard time grasping why it is that there are barely any tanks...

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Because out of 20 jobs, there are at most 2 tank jobs. One of those jobs wasn't even supposed to be a tank and is ungodly expensive to play as one, but you will still be expected by any and all parties you're invited to to burn that gil.

Let me share some anecdotes:

When I first started FFXI, I started as a Tarutaru Warrior, mostly for humorous effect. About the time I got to Valkurm Dunes* I had already decided I wanted to be a Dark Knight, again for humorous effect.

"Coincidentally," my Warrior stopped getting invites around level 30** and, on a whim I followed the mostly-kidding suggestion of a friend to unlock Paladin in my newfound spare time.

Paladin ended up being my first job past Maat, not necessarily because I wanted it to be, but because it got invites. Over time I have come to accept my role as Paladin, but I do that because it fits my half-assed play style; a half-hassed PLD is always more popular (and possibly even more useful) in pre-70 parties*** than even a properly decked-out DD. My PLD rocketed to high levels while my WAR and DRK languished because my PLD was a tank while WAR and DRK (and over a dozen other jobs) were just "Generic DD Jobs Nos. 87 and 88."

Today my PLD is 99, and I go out of my way to avoid using it in any sort of EXP activity, be it Abyssea or Level Sync parties with my linkshell mates. Sure, the party EXP/hr suffers greatly for want of a proper tank, but for me personally, getting more limit points on my PLD accomplishes nothing, or at least nothing that I care about. I don't even bring NIN in spite of being able to afford it now, simply because my NIN is 50 and I'm done with all its artifact quests, leaving me with no storyline content to be gained by leveling it further at this time.

My WAR is also finally 99, thanks primarily to the introductions of campaign battle and later Abyssea. I even completed all of the WSNM quests available to WAR, doing things that probably would have gotten me kicked out of a merit party in a heartbeat (e. g. using a weapon other than GA or dual wield axes).

I personally don't condone key-whoring or book-burning, and I don't participate if only because those activities are so boring to me****, but what they replaced had nothing to do with personal enjoyment and everything to do about being pigeonholed into a particular role in order to max out the EXP gain per hour. And if you couldn't provoke, refresh or haste, then you're going to spend the majority of your time camping NMs to try to get the best gear available, because you're competing for roughly 50% of the party slots with 95% of the player base.

*The fact that Windurstians were expected by the playerbase to go Valkurm Dunes at level 10 is a shining example of how utterly broken the old EXP system was.

**i. e. there was no reason for WAR to pretend to be a tank any more, since at 30 you'd either have unlocked a real tanking job or have accepted your true role as DD.

***PLD preference stopped at 70, because merit point parties didn't need tanks.

****Though I'm sorely tempted, since all my @$#^ing combat skills are capped thanks to my WSNM collecting on WAR.

P. S. Speaking of /autogroup, does it even look at specific jobs, or does it simply reflect S-E's belief that any random collection of jobs near the same level would be useful for anything?

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Originally Posted by Umichi

a good example of this is I bet most people don't even know about the moon gate unless they actually looked it up. or that bibiki bay has a place for people around 75 to party up at.


one of the people from SE said it themselves they feel like this game is no longer garnering "skill" based play and skill takes time to master.

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moon gate pts. bay pts even caedarva,nyzul lsle merit pts most people wont know now. i do miss them type of pts because it took skills to pull off a good exp pt that time. the challenge of everyone working together, mages keeping up with cures DD even with links, pulling off 100+ chains with speed pulls etc.

i had the most fun that time but now look. most people having hard time fighting easy and DC mobs with 10+ people in pt. it way more leeching/afking going on now. dont care what people say.. at the pre abyssea time if you try to leech/afk a 6 man pt you would be kicked out and laugh at. nothing wrong with the abyssea place just the lvl 30 entry thing
you guys gonna tell me it was far more leeching going on before pre abyssea?

times changed a whole lot but it cant be help what done is done. but the time i had before was very fun with the exp pts but it is just
1-30 book burn/leeching/afking.
30-99 abyssea leeching/afking.

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Originally Posted by nyheen

i had the most fun that time

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That makes exactly one of you.

Those camps are still there, the mechanics are still there, the EXP is still there, so why aren't you still doing it the old-fashioned way? Is it because, out of those parties of six people, you were the only one that actually wanted to be there?

You may have enjoyed it; for me, it was a crushing grind, a means to an end. Why would people care so much about EXP/hr if they weren't in a hurry to stop having to get EXP to begin with?

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Originally Posted by Ziyyigo-Tipyigo

That makes exactly one of you.

Those camps are still there, the mechanics are still there, the EXP is still there, so why aren't you still doing it the old-fashioned way? Is it because, out of those parties of six people, you were the only one that actually wanted to be there?

You may have enjoyed it; for me, it was a crushing grind, a means to an end. Why would people care so much about EXP/hr if they weren't in a hurry to stop having to get EXP to begin with?

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i still try doing them pts but all iam saying is with all the low lvls going right into abyssea it hard to do it. so it nothing but leeching 24/7 with people these days. but hey if you guys think that fun then that your 12.95 but dont cry about having no double xp in abyssea because it already broken there and does not need to be added

<<Thank you>> <<party>> <<see you again>> was a lot worse to see back in the old exp parties. I do miss the old ways, but then I think to myself... really?? The new way is so much nicer and time-friendly. Yea you can burn a job up but if you wipe on an EP mob, it's clear to see you have no skill and everyone else will be able to see that too. There are still players who research a job and learn to play it the right way, and cap a skill as soon as it's 99. There were still unskilled players reaching 75 back before all the Abyssea updates, but now it's just clearer to see them because it's all achieved much faster, and 18 people at a time can see it. Also it's a lot easier to see based on gear seeing as the harder gear isn't so easy to get (as in you wouldn't want to wear all AH gear if you knew what you were doing). If a WAR is walking around in full Perle but has an Ukon i'm pretty sure the majority of people will be able to tell they wont have as much skill as say someone walking around with Phorcys, or even pieces from VW. The way I see it is, Abyssea parties and fast EXP just gives me the chance to play the jobs I love or could potentially love, at their full potential faster. The less time I spend levelling the faster I can actually get playing them and doing endgame events with them because that's where the enjoyment is now.

I'm hoping the point is that this is just the first such special weekend, and there will be a second one shortly after the release of Seekers of Adoulin.

Such a campaign might encourage people to try out Rune Fencer and Geomancer at lower levels or kill random stuff in the new areas.

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Originally Posted by nyheen

i still try doing them pts but all iam saying is with all the low lvls going right into abyssea it hard to do it. so it nothing but leeching 24/7 with people these days. but hey if you guys think that fun then that your 12.95 but dont cry about having no double xp in abyssea because it already broken there and does not need to be added

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Define your interpretation of broken. Because personally I would classify a system where a party of 5 has to wait 3 hours for a RDM or BRD to log on as broken. Or never getting an invite because your job was viewed as inferior to other jobs (remember lolDRG and lolDRK before bird parties?)

Say what you want about abyssea, but it did more than just lower the time required to get a job to max level. It also did away with the chains of only 6 people per party, and only certain jobs can be used in said party to be efficient. It encouraged diversity in party formation with no penalty whatsoever. The more the merrier.

Hell I can go into altepa and carry an alliance of 17 leeches on my BLU, by myself, and make awesome xp per hour. Whereas in the old system, that 1 gimp DD just killed your xp per hour by not killing fast enough, and putting more stress on the healers since the mob lives longer to deal more damage. Or by not having a RDM and using WHM instead, be prepared to sit around for 5 minutes every 2 fights because the WHM needs to chomp a cookie and rest.

Abyssea xp is probably one of the most drastic but necessary changes to the xp format that FFXI has needed since day 1. I miss seeing different parts of the world too (like Lab of Onzozo, Moon, Valley of Sorrows, etc.), but when you've taken 3 jobs to 75, you've already seen all there is to see and just want to be done with it by then.

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Originally Posted by Aeonk

Define your interpretation of broken. Because personally I would classify a system where a party of 5 has to wait 3 hours for a RDM or BRD to log on as broken. Or never getting an invite because your job was viewed as inferior to other jobs (remember lolDRG and lolDRK before bird parties?)

Say what you want about abyssea, but it did more than just lower the time required to get a job to max level. It also did away with the chains of only 6 people per party, and only certain jobs can be used in said party to be efficient. It encouraged diversity in party formation with no penalty whatsoever. The more the merrier.

Hell I can go into altepa and carry an alliance of 17 leeches on my BLU, by myself, and make awesome xp per hour. Whereas in the old system, that 1 gimp DD just killed your xp per hour by not killing fast enough, and putting more stress on the healers since the mob lives longer to deal more damage. Or by not having a RDM and using WHM instead, be prepared to sit around for 5 minutes every 2 fights because the WHM needs to chomp a cookie and rest.

Abyssea xp is probably one of the most drastic but necessary changes to the xp format that FFXI has needed since day 1. I miss seeing different parts of the world too (like Lab of Onzozo, Moon, Valley of Sorrows, etc.), but when you've taken 3 jobs to 75, you've already seen all there is to see and just want to be done with it by then.

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all i was talking about was abyssea entry/exp is broken. yes it good there, great update for the lvl 70!+ but lvl 30s wtf? and around the time when people was lfp pre abyssea you could start one up yourself if you was not the kinda person too lazy to start your own. yes the time when lot of people was lfp.
you could make almost any kinda of jobs/pt work and get good exp, mana burn pt, rng pts. even full dd whm pts, full nin or thf pts. mnk burns, smn pts pet pts, and many more, just needed to know what mob/camp worked best for the pts. if it was still happening with the last exp boost update it would be even more epic. with pages/books 6 man pts it would be far more better then before


but in today low/mid pts.. like what pts now? cant find even make one since everyone wants to run into abyssea at lvl 30 and now you guys want double xp weekend even in that place? where the balance in that? not everyone wanna just leech/afk quickly to 99 and only do endgame stuff. it would be like leeching the middie/high schools years.

but them times is dead now. pre abyssea RIP