Call me jaded, but I now find it amusing when people say "There's so much else they could be doing instead of this!" to an adjustment to the game, as if they were blaming the people that support/suggest an idea they don't agree with, when it's becoming more and more apparent the dev team just cherry pick threads for things they were already going to do anyway.
By the way, I say this from the perspective of someone who actually reads the JP forums every now and again. It's even worse on the NA side because we basically just get translations of what the dev team posts in Japanese a couple hours after when they post it, resulting in me wondering if the devs actually read a single thing the EN community team passes to them or they just do whatever the hell they want and have the EN community team just translate it and then deal with the disgruntled playerbase on their own.
So much of the mad on these boards could be solved if devs would just plain tell us how their responses to thread are handled so we actually can understand why they only seem to answer mostly inconsequential problems brought up by the players. Then we can focus on being mad at the nonsensical nature of the excuse "we can't change parameters of a world that we created".
Suggestion: Restorable Relic/Mythic/Empyreal Weapons
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10-12-2012, 02:12 AMKincard
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10-12-2012, 02:22 AMNawesemo
O.o oops, i just dropped my E/M/R, may I please have another....... This just doesn't happen, an if it did, to me..... Lol no it just wouldn't, if you weren't careful enough to pay attention to something that took you weeks to build, then doom on you.....
Seriously, who wakes up and thinks this stuff up.... -
10-12-2012, 02:34 AMMirageIt is good to hear that the development team is looking into ways to prevent accidental item loss.Quote:
Originally Posted by Okipuit
While I am sure some of the developers have thought of the same as me, my suggestion would be an interface where you would get a list over all your equipment (from all item bags, inventory, sack, satchel, safe and storage), and selecting an item in this interface would give you an option to put a lock on any piece of gear you have on you, disabling dropping, trading or selling the item. If you changed your mind and wanted to get rid of it at a later time, you would have to enter this separate interface to turn the lock off again.
I think this feature should be available for all items, not just rare/ex/aug gear. There are some items that are currently sellable and tradable that are extremely expensive, and it would be nice to be able to lock these too. -
10-12-2012, 02:44 AMNawesemo
O.o asking us twice if we are sure isn't good enough? It's a safety feature that works, this whole thread is about as silly as putting a safe, in a safe, and that safe in a vault, and paying someone to watch it, 42 posts about not being careful with some of the games most sought after items..... Be more careful. /end thread
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10-12-2012, 03:22 AMKincard
The problem with that safety feature is that it becomes useless because for people that play regularly the double confirmation becomes a nuisance rather than a safety measure, as it's applied to every single EX item in the game. If you had a open 2 safes to get your socks every morning you'd probably get into the habit of firing lasers to open them and run the risk of accidentally burning your map to the Ark of the Covenant at some point, yeah.
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10-12-2012, 03:44 AMMirage
Exactly. When you're discarding a lot of useless r/e gear, things start going on auto-pilot.
I'm sorry if you're some sort of perfect individual who never screws up anything in your life ever, Nawesemo, but I think you're in the minority.
I've never actually thrown away something really expensive, but it makes me stressed when there are such items close to the items I'm throwing/selling, especially if it is a randomly augmented item that have the same name/price as items I'm selling. Being able to lock the ones with the good augments would be a pleasant change.
On the topic of that, it would also be fantastic if we could rename augmented items, so that they can actually be used properly in macros. It would be fine if the renaming would just apply client-side as well, not showing up different for other players. -
10-12-2012, 03:49 AMDemon6324236I have almost sold my Treasure Hunter Tarutaru Sash like that about 3 or 4 times, never actually sold it thankfully.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirage
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10-12-2012, 03:54 AMMirage
Oh, actually, that reminds me. I did actually accidentally sell a TH sash sometime when Abyssea was new. I didn't think it was that big a deal back then because thf couldn't use it anyway. I've found another one since then though.
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10-12-2012, 04:51 AMNawesemo
lol whatever.
1. Anyone stupid enough to press yes twice on the uberly important weapon, is stupid.
2. Anyone stupid enough to have done that didn't deserve their weapon in the first place.
3. Anyone thinking that this feature is a must have option is lazy, ignorant, and yes... stupid.
Be more careful with your important items, your accounts, and your keyboards from curious children. Play at your own risk.
Asking a development team who is well known overworked as is, for a safety feature for in game items, is as goofy as rich kids bitching about the color of their car. And you know it.
This thread is dumb. -
10-12-2012, 05:10 AMMirage
I'm looking forwards to the day you drop something of importance. I hope it will be a 99-2 :D.
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10-12-2012, 05:37 AMNawesemo
Well, you can't sell them, option #1 to dump items, so the only other time would be litteraly tossing r/e junk armor/weapons/POP items , few r/e items that anyone would throw away are listed up top on a sorted inventory, (and don't even try the would if items aren't sorted argument) so someone would litteraly have to be drunk as a skunk to accidently throw a relic/mythic/empy away..... And in that case, oops, maybe better judgment of when to engage in an activity that was cared for enough to even have one in the first place.... Just because its a game doesn't mean there are no consequences for our stupid actions. There are.
Just be more careful, and spare our development team for something that is important (to everyone and not the few who have what the have nots don't). Once upon a time well geared players knew wtf they were doing,..... If were hucking empys, and relics.... I'm not so sure anymore. -
10-12-2012, 05:47 AMDemon6324236
I often throw away R/EX Swords I kept, such as the Abyssea RDM JSE Sword, the Ig-Alima Sword, and trial swords I no longer need, and in all of that I assure you my Excalibur is nearby them in the list, and could easily be mistakenly dropped.
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10-12-2012, 05:52 AMNawesemoAnd your super super brain has prevented you from dropping it, total win. Nice to see one still works well enough that it doesn't need a automated process as a failsafe. Bravo. Now teach everyone how its done,..... Read the question, "are you sure?" And process that %@?$&.Quote:
Originally Posted by Demon6324236
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10-12-2012, 06:02 AMMirage
I bet you don't have an insurance on your house either. I mean, you never make mistakes, right? What could possibly go wrong?
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10-12-2012, 06:12 AMNawesemo:/ did you just play the real life card?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirage
My dear associate, I've learned to pay attention to the important things to me, and the rest, matters little until it matters.
My home is insured, but my home isn't something I pay for for pure entertainment, if insuring my status in this game, is as important as my home, you bet your ass I build a back up character as well geared as my taru, ..... But the real life card stipulates, i know its not. But sure, go on asking for easy buttons, and auto its, pretty soon well just have to log in and watch the game play itself. -
10-12-2012, 06:52 AMMirage
Maybe I did play the real-life card, so what? Maybe your spare time isn't valuable for you, but it is to me. I wouldn't play time-consuming games if I couldn't save my progress, even if they are "just games".
I spend time on this game, and even if I do it for fun, I also do it to get progress within the game. Losing a weapon is losing progress. Safeguards against losing progress from accidents is always welcome.
Because the game data is saved server-side, I do not have to worry about taking backups of my saved games. When I play offline games, I always keep backups of my saved games. I have two PS2 memory cards set aside for backups alone, and a complete backup of my PS3 saved games as well. Accidents in the games I play offline are easily solvable by rolling back to a save from a week earlier, but that can't be done with accidents in MMO games, therefore it is completely reasonable to ask for a safeguard against accidents like it is asked for in this thread.
The current safeguard against dropping valuable items would be fine, if it was only used for valuable items. As mentioned earlier, the exact same safeguard for accidental dropping is used for completely worthless items as is used on the most expensive items in the game. -
10-12-2012, 06:54 AMZagenTerrible example. My house is insured against things that are out of my control. Throwing away or selling any item in game is 100% on me because it's within my control.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirage
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10-12-2012, 06:55 AMNawesemoand the game does this for us already, it asks, are you sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirage
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10-12-2012, 07:00 AMMirage
It also asks you the exact same "are you sure" when you want to throw away a royal jelly. There should be a distinction between royal jellies and empy/relic/mythic weapons.
Just for the record, some of the things I'm insured against aren't entirely out of my control. -
10-12-2012, 07:07 AMZagenIf you're deemed responsible your claim gets denied. If you have insurance on your house that covers you even when you're at fault then I'd love to know who it's through and do they cover fire damage because I've always wanted to play with a flamethrower.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirage
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10-12-2012, 07:09 AMNawesemo:/ the pot o jelly looking mightly different than a "insert weapon icon here" isnt enough?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirage
Or maybe the names too difficult to sound out and distinguish from "sword"? -
10-12-2012, 07:45 AMMirage
Don't get stuck on the one example involving a pot of jelly. There are a lot of other items in this game that actually do have similar icons and names. The jelly was an example of the game treating every rare and/or exclusive items as having the exact same importance, even if this is far from the case.
Like someone else said a while ago, it's a bit like keeping your socks in the same safe as your valuables. There should be a different layer of safety for items that have very different values.
I'm not going to compile a complete list over items that look similar to other items. Despite all the time I spend posting on this forum, I actually do not have time for that sort of a thing.
@Zagen
While the house insurance example was, I admit, not very good, my second mention of insurances was not actually meant to refer to insurances for entire houses. There are insurances that do actually cover things that could have been avoided by taking a bit more care of your things than you did. Last time I was travelling for a significant distance, I did have an insurance for my more expensive electronics that would actually cover most of my expenses if I used it in a somewhat unsafe environment and it broke as a result of that. Same deal with some other insurances I have, even if I use them within my home. I could accidentally drop my TV while trying to move it and get 90% of the cost of a new TV (of similar quality) covered.
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10-12-2012, 08:07 AMZagenExcept it's not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirage
Dropping Jelly or any non R/E item goes like this:
1) Click item.
2) Choose Drop Item.
3) Confirm via Yes/No Prompt.
Droping any R/E item goes like this:
1) Click item.
2) Choose Drop Item.
3) Confirm via Yes/No Prompt.
4) Double confirmation with pop up window that even includes the item's name.
For the sock/safe example to be accurate it would have to be like this:
...It's like keeping your sock next to a locked safe that can't be moved with your valuables in it...
I understand when tossing crap away that we don't want and it happens to be R/E we tend to spam but at that point it's your fault for spamming. Just like how long ago one night after a party I logged on while still drunk and tossed my Duelist's Chapeau back when the cap was 75 and everyone was in line for one. Just like how I bought a 1 Byne Bill for 650k because I was half asleep buying up currency. Both situations were my fault and could have been avoided had I made better decisions because the game attempted to warn me I was potentially making a mistake with those messages that are already in place.
Blast! I was getting prepared to go searching for a flamethrower! I know of the insurance options you speak of, haven't used them because when I priced them they ran almost as much as replacing the item myself would of cost me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirage
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10-12-2012, 09:41 AMMirage
Actually, royal jelly is ex, and therefore prompts you that second time. That's why I used it as an example. Anyway, in addition to that, there's also augmented gear with the exact same name and different stats. Point is, there should be a difference between items. The current confirmation for gear that actually is rare would be fine if the same confirmation wasn't used on everything else. If I could remove the confirmation for all the r and/or ex useless rings, earrings and other items I find everywhere, the current additional confirmation on empys and the likes would be fine as it is.
Either lessen the amount of confirmation on useless r/e gear, increase it for really good r/e gear. However, because it's hard for the development team to predict how every player would value every piece of gear, it would be most flexible to just let each player set their own "super important gear" list.
As for the off-topic thing we'ge got going. I have been fortunate enough to be able to find such insurance options relatively cheap. Roughly 8-12% of the item's price for 5 years coverage isn't too bad for me. For some items, I think this is well worth the extra safety it brings, such as a laptop I plan on usually bringing with me while travelling.
My cell phone service provider also offers an insurance that costs something like 2 dollars a month, and would basically let me talk on the phone while riding my bike with no hands on the steering across a bridge and still get a new phone if I accidentally drop it in the water (not that I would, not even I like to take risks this big). I thought it was a stupidly good deal, so I called them to confirm. I didn't buy it though, because my phone is already old and not even very good/expensive. When I do buy a new phone, I would definitely utilize this insurance plan, at least for the first 1-2 years of its life.
I wouldn't know how, where or if it's even possible for you to get similar deals, because I doubt we even live in the same country. -
10-12-2012, 09:44 AMRosalieActually, wedding rings should NOT be eligible for that feature due to the nature of Vana'divorce. While you may have found your heart's only desire for YOUR lifetime... well, other people might be suffering buyer's remorse once the honeymooning is over... (or maybe 'she' turned out to be a 'he'!)Quote:
Originally Posted by Delvish
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10-12-2012, 09:47 AMNawesemo
/em shakes head
here's an idea, take your uber valuables and cram em into your mog sack before you start auto piloting through the dumping of excess r/e items.
Problem solved, no patches neccessary, no development team intervention, and all it took was some thought and finger muscles. -
10-12-2012, 12:16 PMZagenFor some reason I confused Royal Jelly with the food Crimson Jelly anyway my point still stands. What you're asking for likely isn't going to happen. Not because it isn't capable, but because the amount of coding to add a lock/unlock option per item is more than likely more than changing a few lines.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirage
Either way kudos on likely getting your more idiot proofing which is likely going to cause more mystery bugs that they can't figure out because apparently that's how things are going now-a-days with new features. -
10-12-2012, 02:02 PMDragonlordHow about no? Seriously everyone stop arguing for the sake of arguing. Nothing that takes 100+ hours to complete should be droppable in an instant. Just make dropping R/M/E weapons the same style as deleting a character. You have to select drop, yes, are you sure? (yes) then type "DELETE" into the prompt box. Problem fixed, and its already within the UI's system.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nawesemo
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10-12-2012, 02:58 PMNawesemoNothing that you don't want dropped should be dropped if you were paying attention. Problem fixed without there ever being a problem, this game has lived years without it, it's a rediculous request and I'd rather the development team be developing cooler stuff than a dummy proof feature to something that anyone with 1/2 a brain wouldn't do. AND THAT is already in the UI's system.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragonlord
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10-12-2012, 05:58 PMKincard
If it takes as much as time as you are implying it does to add in a key item restoration system for 52 weapons you're going to be waiting a long, long time for any kind of meaningful content. That's the crux of your argument- that it's just so hard to add in such a system that it'll take 10 developers working hours on end to achieve it, when all they have to do is add in another permanent key item when you finish the damn relic/mythic/empy quest.
If you want to argue that people dropping REMs are dumb, be my guest, but that's not a good enough reason to say it shouldn't be done.
You remind of the people complaining about the fact they white-bordered the 100 pieces.
By the way, devs, like I said before, please apply this to other obvious quest rewards like Black Belt as well. -
10-12-2012, 06:43 PMMirageThat's because he's actually one of those who did :p.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kincard
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10-12-2012, 07:24 PMAmy
I want SS's from people who accidentally drop or dropped REM, I want to laugh. Alleviation of personal responsibility is not the way to make things better. A side note: people saying that the REMs take lots of work (like omg!) "weeks or months to make!!!" makes the elderly FFXI player inside me want to scream.... try YEARS to make these weapons. To the droppers; I'll feel bad for you if I ever stop laughing.
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10-13-2012, 07:58 AMGlamdringwell, I can see that. I certainly wouldn't want to be saddled with every relic horn (as an example) that drops in Dynamis, so having it lock them starting at stage 2 would be important. most of us have enough inventory -1 garbage as it isQuote:
Originally Posted by Okipuit
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10-13-2012, 08:36 AMDemon6324236
Unless your making 2 relics at once you can do as I do, leave your finished stage at the NPC. I left each stage of my Excalibur at the goblin until I was ready to upgrade again so that I could never drop it, and I would not have it wasting space. Its more that once they are finished they should be restorable that is the problem, or at least, that is how it seems to me.
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10-13-2012, 03:25 PMWindwhisperin the nearly 9 years i play this game i never have dropped anything on accident while clearing inventory. if you pay attention it wont happen. And if you DO drop it it goes without saying, that it is beyond common sense to do so. People who do have neither right to complain nor to blame others despite the hard work the weapons took to obtain.Quote:
Originally Posted by Demon6324236
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10-13-2012, 04:22 PMDemon6324236
Thats good for you, you never have had an accident on this game, others can't always say the same. I find it pathetic that so many people in this community are inconsiderate douche bags that would rather a persons Relic, Mythic, or Emp be gone forever rather than SE actually make a way to prevent such a thing.
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10-13-2012, 04:52 PMZagenI'm sorry I feel people should own up to their screw ups and learn to be more careful.Quote:
Originally Posted by Demon6324236
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10-13-2012, 04:57 PMDemon6324236
No matter how careful you are, shit happens from time to time.
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10-14-2012, 01:37 AMMirageIt's good that you're aware of some of your poor qualities. Apology accepted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zagen
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10-14-2012, 02:26 AMKarbuncle
You know, Sometimes I sit here, staring at my ceiling, contemplating how petty, childish, insecure, arrogant, and selfish the majority of people are, especially online. I think to myself, Perhaps I'm being too harsh? Then i come here, and well, I realize I'm not. It really is quite sad how a suggestion of such tiny scale that will have no distinct impact on any design structure of the game and would only serve to improve quality of mind within some relic holders is being met with such determined resistance.
I think what it boils down too is, People against the idea are likely relic-less, or adamantly foolish. Cause i assure you every one of you have lotted, passed, or tossed something of value in your past. If it wasn't such a big deal, Things like the 1-time Item Restore would not exist. Accidents happen daily.
Simple precautions aren't always enough to prevent it. Its no different than people purchasing 1 bynes for 100 prices in all technicality. People make mistakes. to Error is to Human. Its not a difficult concept, everyone messes up. Everyone.