Balance out Empyrean Weapon Magian Trials

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Originally Posted by Mrbeansman

Any luck on the duel wielding Twashtar front?

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I've determined that it'll at least warn me if I can't have two. I'm on the VNM trials right now with 42/50 Glavoid shells and 5 unpopped sets, so I need at most three more and probably less.

Also, regardless of my whinery in the previous post, it's possible to kill Glavoid with two Aeolian Edges and a Detonation skillchain before he even tries to cast. It's really freaking close though, and easy to mess up.

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Originally Posted by Malamasala

Considering the Staff WS itself is way worse than any others, and it being difficult to make, it is just another Claustrum. SE never did figure out how mage jobs works. It would seem they only play PLD, WAR and SAM.

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What's bad about the staff ws? huge MP restore and cure status effects? It's a nice thing to have, it's just not for killing things. And the weapon boosts the WS' mod, like every other weapon, by a substantial amount. If you want perp - (which isn't really even needed on a weapon anymore) or MAB or whatever, then it's not the staff for you. If you are, like a select few, interested in a stronger weapon and/or a handy weaponskill that's especially great for when you don't want to touch the mob but you have TP to burn (very common in abyssea), it's great to have.

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Chloris is a total joke compared to Glavoid, and Bukhis is pretty easy to multi-brew. It isn't like he absorbs damage and potentially goes immune to magic.

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Bukhis isn't that hard normally either, it's all relative though I guess when people are able to duo other trial NM's. People just freak out about doom and losing their buffs.

With regard to the weapons I think it's balanced pretty well when you look at the big picture and the 3 Abyssea trials. Gun/GK/GS are way easier than most though, maybe we'll never know why they balanced it that way. It's not like the jobs that utilize those weapons got much love in Abyss in many other areas though.

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Empyrean weapon (and relics) are unlikely to become the next best weapons. They are considered THE reward (with the AF3) of abyssea. It doesn't make sense to keep them going on after abyssea and after the next level caps. If the next great weapon doesn't come from a new endgame it would also kill said endgame activities seing as we are completely unlikely to see exceptionnal boosts on gear ( see : haste, attack, str all capping, easily and since forever, acc being useless since pizza exists).

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I'd be completely dumbfounded if they stopped empy trials at 90. Mainly because it would be a completely idiotic thing for them to do.

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Originally Posted by Byrth

I've determined that it'll at least warn me if I can't have two. I'm on the VNM trials right now with 42/50 Glavoid shells and 5 unpopped sets, so I need at most three more and probably less.

Also, regardless of my whinery in the previous post, it's possible to kill Glavoid with two Aeolian Edges and a Detonation skillchain before he even tries to cast. It's really freaking close though, and easy to mess up.

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have your THF open with cyclone > cataclysm, win ? I'm not a brew specialist but this takes 70% of dragua's HP and beat self SC from aeolian edge.

Why would you need to do that if you can just do two edges and kill it?

I agree with you and my LS members talk about it all the time. Glavoid is a pain in the butt to get, he's fairly easy to kill now that we have a few Emp. Weapons in the shell but actually getting his KIs are rediculous. I think the NMs in Tahrongi Canyon for Emp. Needs their POPs to be fixed. This is rediculous especially everyone wants Great Axe, H2H, Dagger, and Polearm.

I am working on my Bow at the moment, Fistule is a no brainer just the fact that you cannot stack his items right now is killing me, however Buhkis is my main concern for i cannot solo him like I can Fistule.

Is there any way we can take down Buhkis without throwing pets on it?

My brother just finished Buhkis solo on dnc, doing 4 pops per brew using Aeolian Edge.

I've tanked Bukhis on BRD/NIN (DD setup) so don't gimme the whole spiel about that NM being too hard. (no brew)

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Originally Posted by Atomic_Skull

Chloris isn't as hard as Bukhis because it can't dispel your cruor buffs like Bukhis can.

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It's not a matter of how difficult it is to FIGHT Chloris, it's a matter of how annoying it is to pop it.

You have to fight 8 NMs to get the key items:

Chukwa

Vetehinen -> Ophanim
Halimede -> ^
Also, have bloodshot hecteye as well.

Gacanagah -> Hedetet
also, have venomous scorpion stinger as well.

Cannered Noz -> Treble Noctules
also, have bloodied bat fang.

And yes, I know I know FC works too, but if you think about it, it COULD take longer since this is ultimately a matter of luck. You could be getting 10 Mossy Adamantoise shell til you finally see a Veinous Eyelid.

Difficult? No.

Annoying and time consuming? Yes, especially if you compare it to all the other empyreans.

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Is there any way we can take down Buhkis without throwing pets on it?

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Without brewing blink tanking works pretty well, NIN is probably one of the better jobs. Removing HP down quickly is important if people do happen to get hit by TP moves. You also want holy water for removing doom, you can't block that one with shadows.

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I've tanked Bukhis on BRD/NIN (DD setup) so don't gimme the whole spiel about that NM being too hard. (no brew)

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If people have plenty of cruor and don't need drops from the NM where is the problem with brewing it?

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Originally Posted by JiltedValkyrie

I've tanked Bukhis on BRD/NIN (DD setup) so don't gimme the whole spiel about that NM being too hard. (no brew)

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Cause BRD/NIN tanking was never a viable way to tank in the game. *Cough* BRD/NIN tanking byakko, years ago, before getting a nerf to song enmity gain *cough*

Edit: Though I do agree, theres really no difficult abyssea NMs outside of Caturaes like Rani and a few select other NMs without brews. (Mostly saying your example is bad, not your point.)

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Originally Posted by JiltedValkyrie

I've tanked Bukhis on BRD/NIN (DD setup) so don't gimme the whole spiel about that NM being too hard. (no brew)

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How much support did you have? Level of support significantly changes when a mob is hard to tank to when you have a batallion of WHMs (the JP way) and a naked SMN could tank it.

I don't know why people are complaining that Buhkis is hard. Because he is very easy to duo with monk and whm. As long as you the monk have some holy waters.

I'm upset that Chloris and Glavoid take three times longer to make pop sets for then the other nms (longer if there is competition for the time pop nm's). None of the trial NM's are difficult, I'm not implying they are, only popping them. Time has become the scarce commodity here.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

I don't know why people are complaining that Buhkis is hard. Because he is very easy to duo with monk and whm. As long as you the monk have some holy waters.

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Not everyone has a MNK or a WHM. Sadly I have neither, the only jobs i know best to work with this NM is having a NIN tank with a few Avatars on it.

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Originally Posted by Miera

Not everyone has a MNK or a WHM. Sadly I have neither, the only jobs i know best to work with this NM is having a NIN tank with a few Avatars on it.

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What!? You don't have MNK or WHM?! Blasphemy!

I'm going to send a report to the elitist council this instant, you'll hear from them shortly...

:D

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Originally Posted by Zumi

I don't know why people are complaining that Buhkis is hard. Because he is very easy to duo with monk and whm. As long as you the monk have some holy waters.

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It's not the doom it's the fact that he dispells your cruor buffs. Also it's always a possibility that he will knock you down to less than 100 HP with max HP down and then smack you again and kill you faster than the WHM can react.

I love how Dev's avoid this issue when its brought up.

By the way, I finished my Kartika path and it warned me that I wouldn't be able to hold the results of the trial (Twashtar) if I undertook the Glavoid Shells trial. It was the same warning that you get if you're trying to make an AF3+1/2 that you already have.

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Originally Posted by Runespider

It took me about a year to get mine, self funded. The amount of work it took to make that gil far outwighs anything else i've done in this game. Added to that it took a whole alliance to get the attestations and with their annoying randomness of drops and only having one shot at it per run (when we did icelands) etc compared to Emps that you can duo all the way more or less, STR magian weapons are more work.

If you looking at getting a relic and think you won't get it for around a year, that is in itself a difficultly level that scares off most. Knowing you can bash out an emp in a week or two makes it a far nicer prospect.

Regardless I don't think they will ever put relics back ontop to the level some seem to think. The whole idea for the game is now more casual and if anything they will make relics a lot easier to get and require vastly less coins.

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They already said they weren't adjusting currency requirements for relics. So how are they going to make them easier, only thing I can see happening is relics and mythics will get magian trials to take them to lvl 99, while empyreans will be left at 90 since abyssea's over and done with and will still do about the same dmg or better then a relic due to aftermath and ws mods.

As it stands for empyreans trials theres still the same lvl of balance that relics have due to currency requirments differing between each weapon, obtaining a R. gold piece is much more time consuming then obtaining a 10000 byne bill. Just like obtaining a chloris pop is more time consuming then obtaining a carrabose pop, and it's all a joke to do unless you don't have a linkshell or friends to help.

People talk about empyreans being for the casual player but the casual player without an endgame ls will not see one for a very long time, if ever.

Most of the magian trials are much more time consuming to do then empyreans, suprised noone complains about any of those trials.

Theres no issue with the time it takes to complete an empyrian, the playerbase has just become lazy with an abyssea mindset and expects everything to be handed to them now on a silver platter.

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Originally Posted by Atomic_Skull

It's not the doom it's the fact that he dispells your cruor buffs. Also it's always a possibility that he will knock you down to less than 100 HP with max HP down and then smack you again and kill you faster than the WHM can react.

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Dispel of curor buffs is only a minor inconvenience. I killed this many times with just myself on monk and a whm. When he does dispel curor buffs I am left with about 2600 HP down form 4200. Still never in danger of dying or anything. The only thing that this does really is make him die slightly slower due to the loss of str and dex.