Balance out Empyrean Weapon Magian Trials

[Alukat]

if u check emp power vs. relic power and the difficulty to obtain them.
emp weapons can compete with relic but relics are a 100 times harder to obtain.so emps are still to easy >.>

[Vold]

if u check emp power vs. relic power and the difficulty to obtain them.
emp weapons can compete with relic but relics are a 100 times harder to obtain.so emps are still to easy >.>

No. Obtaining relics is not difficult. Obtaining relics is time consuming. Mythics are what's difficult. Empyreans are 100% lol due to the fact that a person could solo theirs with brews. And for all the trash talk I see about Empyreans, I see exactly zero of them on any casual player and rarely on hardcore players. As a matter of fact the only people that have them are the ones who have relics from what I've seen on my server. So I'm still somewhat clueless just what in the hell relic owners are complaining about. They're complaining about things that haven't happened yet. They complain about the distant future when everyone else finally catches up to them and their Empyreans.

I guarantee you SE has planned all along for relic weapons to be fricking insane at level 99 or whatever level they finally stop at and rightfully so with how insane the quests are, and Empyreans will end up looking stupid. So all of the weapon vs weapon feedback and this very post here will end being for absolutely nothing.

Hey I've never been pro Empyrean. I'm just anti BS, which includes BS reasoning by relic owners. Which means I throw my own BS at them in return. Relics should and will remain #1 due to the requirements of obtaining them. Which is anything but difficult. And while I believe Mythics should be #1 because their quest is about 300,000 times harder than Relics, the unfortunate fact is they aren't designed to be #1 and due to their quest requirements it's just not very realistic to even consider them in the running. I mean, they're nice for what they are but we all know when we think #1 weapon, we're thinking DPS output plain and simple, not defensive perks and whatnot.

So yeah, change whatever they want with Emps to make them as easy as they want. It's not going to effect relic weapons at the end of the day in the least once it's all said and done with. The investment relic owners made will be safe and secured and not by any doing of theirs on these forums. Mark my words. The future relic versions will be far superior to what they are today. And I think they should do it through the base stats instead of magian trials but oh well to that. Lastly, Empyreans will end up being the casual players ultimate weapon. Which is actually kind of nice because they pretty much got the shaft through out the years. Everyone wins here in the end and by SE design, all along.

[Runespider]

No. Obtaining relics is not difficult. Obtaining relics is time consuming. Mythics are what's difficult. Empyreans are 100% lol due to the fact that a person could solo theirs with brews. And for all the trash talk I see about Empyreans, I see exactly zero of them on any casual player and rarely on hardcore players

you must be a really backwater server then, on mine they are as common as dirt. Every other MNK I see in port has one, serious players have multiples.

[Reiterpallasch]

if u check emp power vs. relic power and the difficulty to obtain them.
emp weapons can compete with relic but relics are a 100 times harder to obtain.so emps are still to easy >.>

Just because they're all "too easy" doesn't mean that they shouldn't be adjusted to be similar in difficulty or time consumption. Yes, all empy are "easy", but some like Chloris/Glavoid paths take significantly longer when compared to Carabosse are Briarius.

Relics all take 'roughly' the same amount of time or effort to complete, aside from some differences in NMs or currency type. Mythics (aside from non-existent alexandrite), take exactly the same amount of time and effort, no matter which one you do.

[Andylynn]

No. Obtaining relics is not difficult. Obtaining relics is time consuming.
...and other smart stuff.

Aside from the ease of getting empyreans, I couldn't agree more. I find it stupid vets ever imply the game was remotely difficult to begin with; relics always being their example. As for empyreans... it seems like every japanese dude on my ex, and current server have one... starting to make me wonder.

[MarkovChain]

Also, you need to keep in mind that future trials are doubtlessly being planned. The final version of all the weapons may end up being equally difficult to obtain.

Did you pull this out of your hat or is it because you happen to have them ? All I read is SE being aware that empyrean are overpowered and them wanting to buff relics/mythics...

[Malamasala]

Considering the Staff WS itself is way worse than any others, and it being difficult to make, it is just another Claustrum. SE never did figure out how mage jobs works. It would seem they only play PLD, WAR and SAM.

[Alukat]

ask everyone who did his relic pre level cap raise if it was easy.
95% of this ppl will tell u that it sucks what SE just did and that it wasn't easy.
took me 9 attempts to kill Quiebitiel to obtain the attestion , benedictions at 1%, kick out due to lack of remaining time and whatnot.then the animated weapons, like 6 times warp at 6%.alle time we did it with 18-24 ppl (gathering is many ppl is alot work as well) and finally managed to kill it at level 85 cap.
all in all it was a pain to obtain it with the 1 1/2 years spend to get the money and another 2 months for the r/e items.
and it just sucks! that SE made the twastar so easy (doesn't take as long as for mandau) to get it and give it a 60% dex, with SA + RS u get 1 base dmg per dex and 60% for dex mod itself.
due to the fact that there is soooo much dex gear for thf, emp should easily beat relic in ws dmg.
for MS u have to take much str as possible, which is probably high as dex in the end as for emp.
but u don't get as much SA bonus due to the lacks of DEX.

so a weapon that can be build in 3 months beats a weapon which has taken 1 1/2 years. and ppl still complain that they are too difficult lol

Edit: relics have diffferent difficultys too, so get over it that some or harder to obtain as others.

[Byrth]

Did you pull this out of your hat or is it because you happen to have them ? All I read is SE being aware that empyrean are overpowered and them wanting to buff relics/mythics...

I doubt SE would let Relics/Mythics go to 99 but keep Empyreans at 90. It's just not going to happen. On the road to 99, it could be that the difficulty among the weapons will be evened out.

[Runespider]

Relics aren't hard to get, it just takes a lot of gil.

It took me about a year to get mine, self funded. The amount of work it took to make that gil far outwighs anything else i've done in this game. Added to that it took a whole alliance to get the attestations and with their annoying randomness of drops and only having one shot at it per run (when we did icelands) etc compared to Emps that you can duo all the way more or less, STR magian weapons are more work.

If you looking at getting a relic and think you won't get it for around a year, that is in itself a difficultly level that scares off most. Knowing you can bash out an emp in a week or two makes it a far nicer prospect.

Regardless I don't think they will ever put relics back ontop to the level some seem to think. The whole idea for the game is now more casual and if anything they will make relics a lot easier to get and require vastly less coins.