Abyssea level cap

Yes, I know.

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Originally Posted by FANCY60

I decided to lvl sch the other day cause my ls members were upset as i have no mage jobs at high levels and all DDs @90. Anyway it was rough the first few levels (1-30)took forever its a ghost town out there for low levels.Your listening to someone who last levelled in the dunes July 2005 so yea it was sad to see fun places like that empty and i was seeking for days before I even got a party @level 10 as I wanted to do it the old fashion way and learn the job as well as have an understanding of it rather than burn it to 90 and have to spend the next 6months skill it up and buying scrolls for it to be any good but i digress. Anyway i believe that abyssea was and still is a great idea but to a point, people abuse it too much and it should stop. Id say a capping its starting point @70 or even 75 would really help the lower level citizens or even people new to the game improve their skills. I'm tired of kids with multiple lvl 90 jobs having no clue how to use them effectively properly cause it was burnt in a FC abyssea party from 35-90 any thoughts

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This makes me laugh just because he used SCH as his example... the 1 job in the whole game that really DOESN'T MATTER even half as much as any other job in the game whether your skill is capped, or if it's 0.

When SMN burn was all the rage, and all the salvage cheats got hit by the banhammer, this is the job they all levelled to get back into end-game. The melee equivalent is WAR, due to being able to skill a weapon from 0-cap in less than a day.

Whats funny is the OP has no idea how Sch works any way and knows nothing about how the job works. FYI sch has it made you can be use full with it with 0 skill. The get wonderful little JA that bumps your magic skill up to B skill level for that level no matter you currant skill level is. That makes skilling up so much faster its not even funny. I don't know if you said anything about it in that eye bleed wall of text but really 5 mins on wiki you would know that.

Not only that, but since's SCH's native magic skills without Light Arts or Dark Arts are all D level, which means that you have considerably less skill ups to get on top of the fact that you start at B skills.

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Originally Posted by FANCY60

I decided to lvl sch the other day cause my ls members were upset as i have no mage jobs at high levels and all DDs @90. Anyway it was rough the first few levels (1-30)took forever its a ghost town out there for low levels.Your listening to someone who last levelled in the dunes July 2005 so yea it was sad to see fun places like that empty and i was seeking for days before I even got a party @level 10 as I wanted to do it the old fashion way and learn the job as well as have an understanding of it rather than burn it to 90 and have to spend the next 6months skill it up and buying scrolls for it to be any good but i digress. Anyway i believe that abyssea was and still is a great idea but to a point, people abuse it too much and it should stop. Id say a capping its starting point @70 or even 75 would really help the lower level citizens or even people new to the game improve their skills. I'm tired of kids with multiple lvl 90 jobs having no clue how to use them effectively properly cause it was burnt in a FC abyssea party from 35-90 any thoughts

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I know some people feel this topic is like beating a dead horse but i completely 100% agree with you. I would really love to hear why exactly SE thought it was a good idea to let level 30 jobs into abyssea when they are completely useless at that level to begin with. Abysea has made everyone LAZY because of this.. grand it i love abyessa exp for 75 + it really is great.. but they should have never let anyone below 75 in to "leech".. it has essentially broken the game.. everyone has a matts cap now, and i am sure hardly anyone who has one even remotely knows how to play 90% of those jobs. But whats done is done and i doubt SE can go back and change it without half the people rage quitting over it... I miss the old party exps for the level 50-60s especially..

But seriously, to the moderator staff, What was The logic behind letting 30+ jobs in to Abyssea? Is there a specific reason we haven't discovered other then leeching exp yet? Just curious.

Man I really wish we didn't have cars. It was sooo much more rewarding to travel when you had to feed your horses and smell their butts on the long and fruitful journey to your destination. Progress sucks.

I swear I think all the people who want to go back to the old level grind would have us buying arrows and ninja tools the same we we bought potions in the original NES FF1 - one at a time. Now that was some challenge!

Seriously, there is a lot to enjoy in this game now. SE finally fixed the old and boring system that prevented us from enjoying it on any job we want.

The Abyssea burn = bad player nonsense is a mistake of correlation vs. causation. Yeah you can burn a job in a day or two and yeah there are bad players. Did the burn cause the bad playing? Maybe for some, but for most they would have been bad anyway.

The minimum level of 30 for abyssea was indeed a terrible idea, this isn't how I wanted to level...but whatever, there's no going back now. Suddenly raising it to 75 out of the blue, after well over a year, would do nothing to reverse the process and only alienate those who didn't access the content in time. Please let it go.

That said, what I would like to see is a little bit of consistency. Might as well remove the minimum level requirement as it makes no sense in an entirely different context as mentioned above. What's a level 30 player going to be able to bring to Abyssea that a level 1 player can't? All they're going to do is leech all the same, so just remove that silly level requirement.

Getting to 30 can be a bit of a chore nowadays for that very reason. Yes, we have Gates of Valor, but people still prefer Abyssea so GoV is not quite as common in most cases. I miss MMM...even if a PL was needed half the time (everybody dualboxes these days anyhow).

Abysea level cap is 30 because you can do some quests at lvl 30 since it only required that you have sneak and invisible. Also by lowering level cap you can sell the expansion to more people from newbie to veteran players. It is all business decision, get the content available to the majority of your consumers.

As for people who bitched and moaned about how fast we level to 90, please get over it. The game has changed. Now you no longer grind for xp to lvl your jobs. The new grind is on magian weapon trials and gears. To get that moving along you need to be at least level 75 and up. Making people have to grind to lvl their jobs for a year, then do another grinds for weapon and gears are just dumb, not to mention counter intuitive when it comes to marketing.

Your actual training of the jobs now begin at lvl 90, when you start grinding for the seals or atma, or those +2 items and those empyrian weapon. Even with elemental magian weapon, where you can solo kill those 200-300 mobs, giving you time to test different job abilities and reach your comfort levels. The downside of this, you have plenty of people who are new at their jobs trying to join you and farm seals and events - which often results in wiped or disasters because they have no idea how to make macro and what their jobs can do. Since xp loss is no longer and issue, this should matter less other than the inconvenience of having to get new pop items. Perhaps it is time you get to know other people more and start doing things together more as a small group. Isn't that why you play this game?

I argued this when abyssea came out. You people are still complaining >:l

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I'm tired of kids with multiple lvl 90 jobs having no clue how to use them effectively properly cause it was burnt in a FC abyssea party from 35-90 any thoughts

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Abyssea didn't create people who don't know how to play their jobs. Those people already existed before abyssea and just stood out more afterward. I'm just sick of people saying "we need a minimum level for abyssea because I met some noob." We don't need a level cap. You have the power to control who you play with. If someone sucks, kick them out, blacklist them, and/or never play with them again.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Abyssea didn't create people who don't know how to play their jobs. Those people already existed before abyssea and just stood out more afterward. I'm just sick of people saying "we need a minimum level for abyssea because I met some noob." We don't need a level cap. You have the power to control who you play with. If someone sucks, kick them out, blacklist them, and/or never play with them again.

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You know [and this is slightly off-topic, but], I've never kicked out anyone from a party for being bad. Sure, I'm never okay with them, but I just try to make up for it as best as I can with everyone else's performance or jobs. What I have done, however, is gotten someone kicked out for acting like they were the sole reason the party was going, even though they were one person, and everyone else was just "sitting there", even when that person literally left to walk around and not contribute at all for ~30 minutes of the party. [Abyssea - Altepa, btw]

But, we all meet a couple of those kind of people.

Well if you don't want to kick them, that's fine, but don't complain about this problem when you're willing to tolerate it. I'm merely saying people have the power to control their own gameplay experience. if you don't like something, there's usually something you can do about it. We don't need a level limit. If people don't like a certain kind of player, then they shouldn't allow them into the party, and/or a person shouldn't join a party knowing it it will be one they won't like.

If people want to level fast and suck at their job, I say that's their right to do so. I also have the right not to party with them if they don't at least learn afterwards.

There are just 3 jobs that really should be levelled normally:
PUP (though you can burn this to 49 and cap it's skill as /PUP - the only job this can be done on)
BLU (you'll probably hit 90 just collecting the spells with all the exp buffs/rings around now)
NIN (can't skill katana or ninjutsu on any other job, and you will really struggle to tank without these capped)

Of course, you CAN run around with these 3 level 90 and gimped too, but it's way more obvious if you're spamming head butt and pollen on blu, or you can't even cast utsu Ni without being interrupted on NIN, then can't hit hard enough to hold hate. Or you pull out your automaton on PUP and it only uses tier 2 magic because skill is gimped.

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Originally Posted by Modoru

I argued this when abyssea came out. You people are still complaining >:l

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no one forced your hand if you dont want to talk about it dont. as for abyssea cap its an opinion people deal with it but in hind sight im loving the views on this really exciting so much rage in discussions though like people are taking it personally its even on hot topics thanks for the replies really have learnt a lot from people that actually made sense and not just posting for the sake thanks wow.

Interruptions on Ni usually (I say this tentatively) aren't due to ninjutsu skill but bad timing. Getting offensive spells to land, you have a case there.

I'm for the minimum level increase being bumped up to 60. If you were crazy it didn't take a week to get 60 even without fields/grounds of valor. Recently, my friends brother joined the game for the first time and was level 33 the next day lol. My other friend got both RNG and SAM to 60 with essentially capped skills outside of abyssea recently and that only took at maximum 3 or 4 days (including both of them.)

I think it would be wroth doing.

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Originally Posted by Richie

I'm for the minimum level increase being bumped up to 60. If you were crazy it didn't take a week to get 60 even without fields/grounds of valor. Recently, my friends brother joined the game for the first time and was level 33 the next day lol. My other friend got both RNG and SAM to 60 with essentially capped skills outside of abyssea recently and that only took at maximum 3 or 4 days (including both of them.)

I think it would be wroth doing.

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When I first played, in 2004, it took me 5 months to get drk to lvl 52 - that was being a brand new player with everything that entails.

I can assure you, before level sync, FoV and now GoV, leveling those unpopular jobs to 60 took a lot longer than 1 week.

Regardless of if you agree with the current level requirement of 30 in abyssea or not, I hope you understand that it is now too late to change it. Suddenly requiring people to be level 70+ would put all new players at an unfair disadvantage compared to old players, most of those who are interested in leeching/keying their jobs to 75+ have already done it, so new or returning players would be affected the most. If SE had wanted to change it, it would have happened within a few months of the first abyssea expansion.

Personally I think it's a bit retarded that low levels can reach exp rates higher than that of a post-exp update normal party just by popping chests, but get over it, it's too fucking late now.

Furthermore, I would like to know how healers below level 70 are actually leeching. Considering only whm gets cure 5 and up, it's almost only cure potency gear that makes a rdm90 a better healer than a whm50 in something like a worms party (assuming a couple of refresh atmas). If you're contributing to the fight, it's not really called leeching.

ITT: People who aren't good at their jobs complain about Abyssea making other people not good at their jobs

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Originally Posted by Luvbunny

Abysea level cap is 30 because you can do some quests at lvl 30 since it only required that you have sneak and invisible. Also by lowering level cap you can sell the expansion to more people from newbie to veteran players. It is all business decision, get the content available to the majority of your consumers.

As for people who bitched and moaned about how fast we level to 90, please get over it. The game has changed. Now you no longer grind for xp to lvl your jobs. The new grind is on magian weapon trials and gears. To get that moving along you need to be at least level 75 and up. Making people have to grind to lvl their jobs for a year, then do another grinds for weapon and gears are just dumb, not to mention counter intuitive when it comes to marketing.

Your actual training of the jobs now begin at lvl 90, when you start grinding for the seals or atma, or those +2 items and those empyrian weapon. Even with elemental magian weapon, where you can solo kill those 200-300 mobs, giving you time to test different job abilities and reach your comfort levels. The downside of this, you have plenty of people who are new at their jobs trying to join you and farm seals and events - which often results in wiped or disasters because they have no idea how to make macro and what their jobs can do. Since xp loss is no longer and issue, this should matter less other than the inconvenience of having to get new pop items. Perhaps it is time you get to know other people more and start doing things together more as a small group. Isn't that why you play this game?

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Its actually to stem off the RMT from leveling mad characters as fast (Although who has seen one lately).

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Originally Posted by Rearden

ITT: People who aren't good at their jobs complain about Abyssea making other people not good at their jobs

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Agreed. and let me reiterate. Six months later, the guy who burned it will be better than the guy who leveled old school. He has more experience playing at level cap. Your just mad because your playing with people at 90 who haven't capped skill yet as if it was way more fun when they sucked at lower levels. Its far less detrimental to the group at 90 than it was in a 6 man PUG.

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Originally Posted by Richie

I'm for the minimum level increase being bumped up to 60. If you were crazy it didn't take a week to get 60 even without fields/grounds of valor. Recently, my friends brother joined the game for the first time and was level 33 the next day lol. My other friend got both RNG and SAM to 60 with essentially capped skills outside of abyssea recently and that only took at maximum 3 or 4 days (including both of them.)

I think it would be wroth doing.

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I'm going to move that it be lowered to 1. I get more exp solo doing EP mobs than I would in your Dunes party, and I'm sick of people inviting me to that crap 1000 times when I don't have my flag up.

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Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

I'm going to move that it be lowered to 1. I get more exp solo doing EP mobs than I would in your Dunes party, and I'm sick of people inviting me to that crap 1000 times when I don't have my flag up.

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maybe you should use /anon

Bads will be bad.
Giving Abyssea a requirement will not make people better at the game.
I'd love for someone to explain how killing Colibri for hours on end, day after day, makes anyone better at ANYTHING you do at 90.
If you want to level outside of Abyssea, good for you! Ground of Valor is an EXCELLENT resource for you! Even more-so after this coming update!

All in all -- it is far too late to make a requirement for Abyssea.
SE sold us this product ensuring us that we'd be able to access the content at level 30.
Just as well, anyone who has burned all their jobs to 90 would have a severe advantage over anyone who has yet to do so.

Oh and one last thing.
A level 60 "cap" as some have been calling it in this thread...
You realize that would mean you couldn't be ABOVE level 60?
I don't think people know what the word means.

Some people like to think cap means both at least and at most. I hope they don't have drivers licenses.

I agree with OP! Should be capped at 75 minimum

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Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

Its actually to stem off the RMT from leveling mad characters as fast (Although who has seen one lately).

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Quetz still has RMT... They Shout Abyssea Parties for leechers to come out between 50-100k an hour... They then turn around and sell that money.

Its been getting worse slowly day by day.

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Originally Posted by Moink

Quetz still has RMT... They Shout Abyssea Parties for leechers to come out between 50-100k an hour... They then turn around and sell that money.

Its been getting worse slowly day by day.

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I think you have confused "RMT" with "players willing to offer leech spots to make a quick buck". I could be wrong though, since I haven't been on Quetz for a few months now, but when I was still there I'm fairly certain it was players doing it and not RMT.

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Originally Posted by cidbahamut

I think you have confused "RMT" with "players willing to offer leech spots to make a quick buck". I could be wrong though, since I haven't been on Quetz for a few months now, but when I was still there I'm fairly certain it was players doing it and not RMT.

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It was players for a while and to some extent still is. But RMT groups also do it. The nice thing is they're easy to identify - very little English understanding, terrible gear, and much less efficient than the player ones.

I always assumed the 30 cap was to minimize RMT too. How do these groups fair in GoV burns now though? I wonder if that's why we're now seeing them show up in Abyssea on Quetz.

Cool beans. Good to know it's not just someone being all "grrr, selling leech spots is RMT" because they're jealous that they can't leech or whatever.

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Originally Posted by cidbahamut

Cool beans. Good to know it's not just someone being all "grrr, selling leech spots is RMT" because they're jealous that they can't leech or whatever.

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Been on Quetz and this game long enough to determine who is an actual player and who is a RMT. If you have a problem with what is actually is being said... I'm sure I could provide SS of RMT shouting for leech spots after I am done with work. I don't complain about leeching or leechers, I was simply answering the question whether or not RMT still exist in XI.

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Originally Posted by Merton9999

It was players for a while and to some extent still is. But RMT groups also do it. The nice thing is they're easy to identify - very little English understanding, terrible gear, and much less efficient than the player ones.

I always assumed the 30 cap was to minimize RMT too. How do these groups fair in GoV burns now though? I wonder if that's why we're now seeing them show up in Abyssea on Quetz.

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I have seen a bunch of anons in Gusgen Mines that tend to follow the RMT pattern. I would only imagine we're observing a flux of RMT is for the upcoming "Holiday Special" but who knows... they'll prob be banned eventually anyways

Nah it's cool man. I just know there's a fair number of folks out there who are dumb and can't tell the difference between a player selling a leech spot and an RMT, so I wasn't sure.

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Originally Posted by Leonlionheart

This again.

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Maybe because it's actually a problem?

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Originally Posted by Juri_Licious

Maybe because it's actually a problem?

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I think you mad jelly, bro. You salty?

I don't care how anyone else plays their game on their own time, it's their $12.95 bro

Someone shows up to Absolute Virtue with level 0 skills? I boot their ass.

Someone shows up to Absolute Virtue with a level 90 job and doesn't suck at it? I don't give half a shit how they got there or how long they've been playing.

Likewise, I don't give half a shit how long you've been playing or how long you took to level if you're terrible at your job. Playing since release and being XXX/YYY Main Career All-I-Care-About-Is-This Job doesn't mean you're half bloody good at it or worth keeping around in a party.

People want to be "Redeemed" because they're shitty at their jobs but they leveled it "the right way", so at least they're "better than" those other guys who leveled "the wrong way".

It's the same reason all good players must be lying, scheming cheaters with no friends and no life. When people want to feel better about themselves, their first response is to claim the moral high ground.

So quit being so mad, bro. If you want to be better at the game, get better at the game. Making excuses and lauding around about how "morally superior" one is is not getting anyone anywhere.

It would be nice if it was capped at even 65, but clearly SE dose not give a damn, they didn't during smn burns & they don't now (I once GM'd a smn burn & nothing happened, unless a GM can post here saying its against ToS)

I still do not understand the rage over PL/AstralBurn/FC leech/Abyssea leech. BTW, tags are hilarious.

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Originally Posted by Tohihroyu

It would be nice if it was capped at even 65, but clearly SE dose not give a damn, they didn't during smn burns & they don't now (I once GM'd a smn burn & nothing happened, unless a GM can post here saying its against ToS)

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lol you GM'd people for getting xp faster than you. you fail.

This is the new way to get xp now, no more level grind. You can easily get from 10-35 via gusgen GoV, move to Crawler Nest or Garlaige for 32-56s (can synch all the way till you hit 60s) then go to Bost Ob till you hit 65s. After that it's a matter of leeching as puller if you can sub ninja or just help heal if you come as rdm, whm, smn, and sch - and go do abysea dominion. You end up getting faster xp per lvl if you only play 1-2 hours via GoV - aby leech at 30s you have to stay over 2-3 hours to reap the benefits, and up to 6-7 hours to get to 80s-90s.

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Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

lol you GM'd people for getting xp faster than you. you fail.

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QQ moar plz, I GM'd because of the mass lag you lout.

Also I really don't care if you got faster exp at least I wont have to spend hours skilling up- oh wait you have bots for that, too bad I don't use bots or windower like you & everyone else dose Q_Q