That not a good measure of succes in to days market. I mean sh*t farmville(and the other crap like it) is kicking everyones a$$ lol. Its by far much better then lolps2 graphics and gaming on the go while waiting on the train, bus plane so on with out the bulk of a laptop, easy to put away makes it could would move units.Quote:
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07-17-2011, 06:25 PMRavenmore
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07-17-2011, 06:50 PMLuso
If it hasn't been successful, then I fail to see why Microsoft continues to support the system despite releasing Kinect for it, which sold well more than the Move counterpart. Like Sony, Microsoft has stated that they plan to keep the lifespan of the system at at least 10+ years, so I don't know how they could possibly make this commitment if the system hasn't been succeeding lately.
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07-17-2011, 09:15 PMStingRay104To date the original Xbox has yet to make profit, as in it cost them more to make than they made, and last I knew (altho I don't really keep up with what the Xbox does anymore just waitin on next gen, who really cares about this gen.) Xbox360 was in the same boat, which the PS3 is also in but at least the PS2 had tremendous profits to help cushion that. On a general scale the 360 was a total failure, the fact it has "out sold," the PS3 is in fact a glitch because of RRoD. Friend of mine has had 12+ 360's die on him and after the 3rd he had to buy new at half price and after 5th it was full price. Have several other friends that have bought 3 360's from stores cuz of RRoD, and it has been proven that actions like these have increased the number of speculative sales and overall money gained from the system (A very small point considering that MS still gets that money despite the fact they are getting it by serving us crap). If you don't believe me the recently did a report on systems active and it turned out that there were more PS3's with active accounts than Xbox's (again this isn't 100% accurate due to the fact not everyone signs up for xbox live or psn but it is still a very strong report as to what is truly happening in the game world). Finally MS and Sony for that matter make most of their sales from other aspects of their systems, MS with the dumbest idea your forced to deal with Xbox Live (ya you gotta pay more for internet on this thing), or Xbox Arcade, and Sony has PSN (Hell want proof of how lame Xbox is you have to pay for internet on it cuz its not included and you had to pay for HD DVD support at the beginning before that died). If any company other than MS had made the Xbox or the 360 they woulda gone bankrupt, but MS has all the money in the world to back up its system so that they can make money off its other little things.Quote:
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07-17-2011, 10:00 PMLuso
The PS3 started turning a profit around the time the Slim version of it was introduced, which allowed Sony to start making a profit on cheaper-made consoles.
The 360 is still doing better market-wise, regardless of whether or not sales are mixed between regular purchases or replacements/refurbishes. As long as Microsoft makes a sale, it doesn't care what the reason was for behind it, because it expects the customer to pay even more for it via Live and accessories.
Anyway, aside from that, I'm assuming that if the medium for the PS Vita is some sort of card-based media like the Nintendo 3DS has, it'll be along the lines of SDHC in terms of capacity. I'd love to see FFXI on it, then; I have a feeling they'd release the game via PSN if the storage media wasn't big enough to contain it. I don't like long downloads. =/ -
07-17-2011, 10:53 PMStingRay104I for one was really excited when the news first leaked about the Vita because it was originally download only which meant no more file size limitations, but I'm also glad it now has the game card support. As for an FFXI release I've always thought that even if they made a PS3 version it would be download only on PSN, and thats a good thing. With any luck this will happen and they will also make it function for both PS3 and Vita (Like the PS1 downloads work for PSP and PS3) and eventually we might see an upgrade to graphics when SE realizes 14 sucks and 11 is their only cash cow now. Also the PS3 and the 360 are doing much better market wise but last I knew neither have gorren over the wall of overall costs for the past years so either system could be considered failing at this point, but the PS3 isn't failing as bad as the 360, and then theres the overall quality of the systems to consider. I used to have an Xbox (not 360) and one day I was playing FFXI on my ps2 when a powersurge went thru my apartment, reset all electronics in the house and fried the xbox even tho it wasn't turned on, and it was on the same power strip as the ps2 and tv I was playing on at the time. So basically MS makes good surge protectors (aka Xbox) lol, still can't believe that actually happened.Quote:
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07-18-2011, 05:37 AMLuso
I don't know anything about Microsoft, but Sony broke-even prior to releasing the Slim version. Releasing an even cheaper console did wonders for their income, and Move just accelerated its growth.
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07-18-2011, 06:27 AMAtomic_Skull
Um you guys *do* realize that the real money on game consoles is made on the games and not the consoles right? They don't need to make a profit on the console sales for it to be successful, they just need to not loose too much money so that they have a profit margin on the games they are selling for it.
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07-18-2011, 06:49 AMLuso
Of course, and yet, when the new version of the Slim was introduced, an exponential increase in revenue was observed because of the price point. I'm not saying it's their only source of income, I'm merely stating one possible source. Sorry it came out the other way.
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07-18-2011, 06:55 AMLeonlionheart
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07-19-2011, 03:11 AMRosinaffxi was out in japan on the ps2 first. Then pc. :) We NA players got it on in the reverse.Quote:
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07-19-2011, 09:03 AMJuri_Licious
I will buy this day one. Playstation Vita has Party chat unlike PS3.
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07-19-2011, 09:56 AMFiresped
When I saw the Playstation Vita videos during E3, I thought, Square Enix is going to port FFXI to this system and through it to the PS3. Since Sony advertised in their videos that PSVita games can be played on the PS3.
As far as Microsoft goes, the new CEO went anti-mmo. Every company that has tried to develop MMOs on the XBOX 360 after FFXI has failed because Microsoft doesn't want it. To my understanding.
Most devices out are powerful enough to run FFXI. The PS2 was a 64-bit processor running at 294.2 Mhz. It had 32 MB of rambus with a bandwidth of 3.2 gb/s. It has a GPU clocked at 147 Mhz with a pixel pipeline of 16. 4 MB of DRAM with a bandwidth of 48 gb/s. Then it also had 2 audio SPU, one was the CPU. I got this info from the wiki.
The big issue with non-console / game devices running the game is that they have the OS running in the background. and the OS eats a lot of resources. on a game device, the OS is designed to be minimal so it doesn't interfere with that the device is designed for, playing games.
Could SE port FFXI to an ipad 2's technology? yes. Could it run on the ipad 2's OS, I dunno but my guess is no.
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07-19-2011, 02:32 PMVenat
Putting it on PSP Vita is a bad idea. If its just a port its still gonna be bad because of the harddrive space on the PSP Vita.
If they put it on Vita it would greatly increass players on the game but also add Limitations to text, battery life, and harddrive memory space.
Personally it be a good port and one of the best games for Vita if it wasnt for those.
If you want to USB hook up the keyboard that be a option and having the power cord on the vita would be a must. Maybe even adjustments to FFXI backround display for better processor so it doest lag it to hell. Maybe link a external harddrive to your PSP Vita... XD
PS3 upgrade would be a better idea (Raise the Monthly fees to newer game standers) or a solo version of FFXI on the PSP Vita.
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07-19-2011, 04:58 PMJuri_LiciousNormal PSP can use up to 128 Gigabytes.Quote:
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It has a touch screen. (Or possibly will have a chatpad)
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07-19-2011, 10:15 PMStingRay104
Originally the Vita was gonna be a download only system like the Go but then they changed it to a card system. They have yet to release info in regards to internal memory being in this thing or not, but ultimately it doesn;t matter, it will have plenty of space and if they bring FFXI to the Vita then they will have a card big enough to support it. This concept would not be brought up if it wasn't a possibility.
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07-20-2011, 09:00 AMAtomic_SkullThey are going to have to do quality testing on PSVita games to make sure that they work with emulation on the PS3 and enforce certain programming conventions on PSVita developers thanks to a few quirks of PowerVR. One such quirk is that PowerVR chips are completely agnostic about triangle ordering. The ray casting algorithm PowerVR uses to render tiles determines whether a polygon needs to be rendered or not. Polygon ordering isn't needed for hidden surface removal, it just happens automagicly inside the GPU as the tile is rendered. This has been a problem with Dreamcast emulation because Dreamcast programmers didn't pay any attention to triangle ordering at all (it wasn't necessary)Quote:
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07-20-2011, 09:12 AMAtomic_SkullThe OS on mobile devices really doesn't take much system resources. Developing for a mobile device is like developing for a PC or any other computing device. From a 3D capability perspective some outperform midrange PCs.Quote:
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