Job Adjustments manifesto Discussion

Why yes, I do in fact believe that it is stupid to compare a hybrid job to a one-trick pony like whm or war. Even in 2006, when stupid was fstill fresh, they invited SMN to main heal because it had buffs and DD.

Because a WAR would make a better DD than a SMN and a WHM would make a better WHM than a SMN makes both those jobs stupid?

Also, SMNs were invited to main heal because they had a lot of MP and Auto Refresh, and if you still melee'd, you were doing it wrong. Too many noob SMNs thinking that they are WHMs helped me know how to solo better.

Besides, WHM doesn't have Haste either? I never knew!

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Originally Posted by Tarage

Stop talking to him.

I'm serious. If you stop responding, he won't have anything. I'm going to start getting on people who reply to him. Stop.

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Sfoidfjkmglhhjgjk

Freaking this.

It's worse than arguing with Pchan, I swear. Just ignore his posts and he'll go away again.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

Sfoidfjkmglhhjgjk

Freaking this.

It's worse than arguing with Pchan, I swear. Just ignore his posts and he'll go away again.

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True, but we be silent towards him and any noob would think that his way is the best, with the way Dallas is talking. At least we are keeping noobs from falling into the lolmeleesmn trap that Dallas is setting up.

I don't want SMN to be a loljob.

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Originally Posted by Dallas

Why yes, I do in fact believe that it is stupid to compare a hybrid job to a one-trick pony like whm or war. Even in 2006, when stupid was fstill fresh, they invited SMN to main heal because it had buffs and DD.

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I think you'll find people invited SMN to main heal because they didn't think we were a good spike DD/support.

Or you could just not talk to him and then he wouldn't get the attention he craves and would leave.

How about you do that. Now.

Tar, I have a dozen trolls that have to tell everyone to hate me with their every post. You have been one of those idiots ever since I told you to stop doing stupid things that wake up mobs. Grow a backbone.

One of these idiots is on my ignore list but your stupid posts keep coming. I would be ecstatic if subpar SMN would get lost when the discussion turns to something they know nothing about. No, you haven't got enough experience among the lot of you to convince me that my 5 years of melee smn is somehow non-existent because quitters level war. How stupid do people have to be to keep trying? Let's just be thankful you breathe and hope you figure out that I want you to shut up too.

Anyone have a tally of all the posts they've provided for each job so far, since the manifesto post?

I know that Black Mage got a confirmation of Meteor and Comet, and some other jobs go larger and smaller posts since then, including a smattering of Dragoon posts. Anyone got a scorecard for each job? I'd like to get some questions in on jobs they haven't provided many answers for before they answer.

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Originally Posted by Economizer

Anyone have a tally of all the posts they've provided for each job so far, since the manifesto post?

I know that Black Mage got a confirmation of Meteor and Comet, and some other jobs go larger and smaller posts since then, including a smattering of Dragoon posts. Anyone got a scorecard for each job? I'd like to get some questions in on jobs they haven't provided many answers for before they answer.

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Off the top of my head:

SMN got 4(1 in german)

BRD got 1

SCH got 4

SAM got 2

DNC got 1

NIN got 1

RNG got 1

DRG got 1

BLU got 1

COR got 1

MNK got 1

PLD got 2

RDM got 1

DRK got 1

PUP got 1

THF got 1

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Originally Posted by Economizer

Anyone have a tally of all the posts they've provided for each job so far, since the manifesto post?

I know that Black Mage got a confirmation of Meteor and Comet, and some other jobs go larger and smaller posts since then, including a smattering of Dragoon posts. Anyone got a scorecard for each job? I'd like to get some questions in on jobs they haven't provided many answers for before they answer.

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My scorecard says 4 posts for sch...meanwhile others like war and whm (I think war) have none....I understand that sch might have been slightly left behind recently, but really? four posts to zero?

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Originally Posted by Razushu

Off the top of my head:

SMN got 3

BRD got 1

SCH got 4

SAM got 1

DNC got 1

NIN got 1

RNG got 1

DRG got 1

BLU got 1

COR got 1

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SAM got 2 actually.

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Originally Posted by Tarage

Or you could just not talk to him and then he wouldn't get the attention he craves and would leave.

How about you do that. Now.

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That won't work for him though.

He will just come into any thread and chime in about how "great" his damage is without being invited into that conversation, and that conversation would not be about SMN either. But you do have a point.

THF got 1 as well

PUP
BST
MNK

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Originally Posted by Razushu

Off the top of my head:

SMN got 4(1 in german)

BRD got 1

SCH got 4

SAM got 2

DNC got 1

NIN got 1

RNG got 1

DRG got 1

BLU got 1

COR got 1

MNK got 1

PLD got 2

RDM got 1

DRK got 1

PUP got 1

THF got 1

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Here's all I could find, damn my eyes for lack of multiple languages:D

What could a war possibly ask for? A 3h axe?

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Originally Posted by Dallas

What could a war possibly ask for? A 3h axe?

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Naw, I'll take a JA haste effect though. Something that won't overwrite Hasso either, so I can have both up at the same time. Something in the range of 15% haste JA.

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Originally Posted by Dallas

What could a war possibly ask for? A 3h axe?

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Found one!

http://philoillogica.typepad.com/pho..._axe_004_3.jpg

Paul Bunyan is leaving his stuff in the yard again I see. LOL

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Originally Posted by Dallas

Paul Bunyan is leaving his stuff in the yard again I see. LOL

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I think it's actually the dat. for WAR's lvl99 weapon

Could be... could be.

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Originally Posted by Razushu

Off the top of my head:

SMN got 4(1 in german)

BRD got 1

SCH got 4

SAM got 2

DNC got 1

NIN got 1

RNG got 1

DRG got 1

BLU got 1

COR got 1

MNK got 1

PLD got 2

RDM got 1

DRK got 1

PUP got 1

THF got 1

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I believe BST got one as well now that I'm looking, and while I could have swore RNG got multiple posts I haven't been able to find it yet.

That leaves WAR, WHM, and BLM (ignoring the Meteor/Comet confirmation post).

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Originally Posted by Economizer

I believe BST got one as well now that I'm looking, and while I could have swore RNG got multiple posts I haven't been able to find it yet.

That leaves WAR, WHM, and BLM (ignoring the Meteor/Comet confirmation post).

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I don't think that WAR is going to get one because nobody has been asking for anything. We are already a top job in the game, and any improvement will further ourselves away from the rest of the pack. We are already getting our own JA for Crit Attack and our own JA to change weapon damage type to anything we want, which both of those JAs will be outstanding. Throw in more DA and Haste gear (preferably both in the same slot, like Haste +7% DA+5% on the hat slot) and we are golden.

Although, I won't say no to a JA haste for WAR.

Now..I have seen some pretty sweet spells, but this new spell "Merton" for SCH is awesome.

Check it out:

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We are still working out all the details, but we are planning to make it similar to the -ja-type BLM spells where the damage multiplies with each cast, along with the spell dealing initial damage as well as DoT. The DoT is the main attraction of this spell, so we wanted to show you how the HP gets lower and lower after the initial hit, however, no matter what we tried we it turned out to be too low-key and decided to go with this instead.

Foxclon outfoxed you!

He posted it first :P! http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...398#post171398 (or did you guys mean to post it twice O.O)

(Also, Thats a really epic spell. I DONT WANNA BE DEBBY DOWNER ;;) YOU'RE MY FRIEND STILL D:

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

Foxclon outfoxed you!

He posted it first :P! http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...398#post171398 (or did you guys mean to post it twice O.O)

(Also, Thats a really epic spell. I DONT WANNA BE DEBBY DOWNER ;;) YOU'RE MY FRIEND STILL D:

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Yeh...I didn't realize that until it was too late. Then I tried to delete it but you ALREADY POSTED! Thanks a lot Krabnuckle :p

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Originally Posted by Camate

Then I tried to delete it but

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But you added some juicy information on what the team was thinking when they produced the video. You can't delete that! D:

Onward to my comment, if nobody else replies in between now and the time I finally hit the send button... I've already got to see three posts in between now and the original comment I was posting:

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Originally Posted by Camate

We are still working out all the details, but we are planning to make it similar to the -ja-type BLM spells where the damage multiplies with each cast, along with the spell dealing initial damage as well as DoT. The DoT is the main attraction of this spell, so we wanted to show you how the HP gets lower and lower after the initial hit, however, no matter what we tried we it turned out to be too low-key and decided to go with this instead.

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Does this count as a fifth update for Scholar, or is it still part of the forth? :p

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Originally Posted by Korpg

I don't think that WAR is going to get one because nobody has been asking for anything.

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I recently checked the WAR forum, and besides a thread suggesting that WAR should get access to all non-ranged WS, I didn't really see and suggestions, and there were very few questions. Like Warrior, Black Mage also has a lot of job security, especially since they already got word of Meteor and Comet, and they're forums is mostly asking for bigger spells. (If any class has priorities, I would have to say it is Black Mage. I love you guys.) I really don't see either of these classes losing any sleep over some other class overshadowing them, particularly if, I dunno, they lost exclusivity on one spell or ability.

This could be a reason for a lack of Q&A for either of them. That said, I'd still like to see some more plans for these jobs. There is also a pretty lengthy list of suggestions, questions, and even demands from White Mage. And while I'm very happy to see new updates for any job, I'd like to know more about SE's designs for the remaining ones.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Yeh...I didn't realize that until it was too late. Then I tried to delete it but you ALREADY POSTED! Thanks a lot Krabnuckle :p

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you can't escape my Private Eyes
they're watching you, they see your every move

But yah, what Econo said :P you added a bit more info which is good ^^

How long until there is a translation correction from Merton to Meltdown?

Probably couldn't use Meltdown because its a TP move used by Dolls?

I guess it could work though, i was just listing a possible reasoning for the name.

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

Mwuahahahaha!

But yah, what Econo said :P you added a bit more info which is good ^^

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I actually already had the added information copied down for the quote, then refreshed this page to see if anyone said anything while I was posting. So I guess we'd still have the information even if Camate decided to delete his post. D:

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Originally Posted by Economizer

But you added some juicy information on what the team was thinking when they produced the video. You can't delete that! D:

Onward to my comment, if nobody else replies in between now and the time I finally hit the send button... I've already got to see three posts in between now and the original comment I was posting:



Does this count as a fifth update for Scholar, or is it still part of the forth? :p



I recently checked the WAR forum, and besides a thread suggesting that WAR should get access to all non-ranged WS, I didn't really see and suggestions, and there were very few questions. Like Warrior, Black Mage also has a lot of job security, especially since they already got word of Meteor and Comet, and they're forums is mostly asking for bigger spells. (If any class has priorities, I would have to say it is Black Mage. I love you guys.) I really don't see either of these classes losing any sleep over some other class overshadowing them, particularly if, I dunno, they lost exclusivity on one spell or ability.

This could be a reason for a lack of Q&A for either of them. That said, I'd still like to see some more plans for these jobs. There is also a pretty lengthy list of suggestions, questions, and even demands from White Mage. And while I'm very happy to see new updates for any job, I'd like to know more about SE's designs for the remaining ones.

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On the contrary I made a thread on the black mage forums for questions from the communty have about the black mage job. It wasn't very popular but I hope the devs saw it. In my opinion it has alot of good questions and im sure many would like to have them answered.

Clearly the sch fighting the mandies needs more pearl lights.

That's pretty cool, more videos of new stuff plz?

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Originally Posted by Darkwizardzin

On the contrary I made a thread on the black mage forums for questions from the communty have about the black mage job. It wasn't very popular but I hope the devs saw it. In my opinion it has alot of good questions and im sure many would like to have them answered.

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What I said:

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and they're forums is mostly asking for bigger spells

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Mostly. I'm sorry if I seemingly ignored your post (I saw and read it before posting my post), but there were more comments in the threads about nukes. That said, I said, and I still say that Black Mage should get some answers too.

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Originally Posted by Economizer

Does this count as a fifth update for Scholar, or is it still part of the forth? :p

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Seriously. Let it go.

Also, the BLM Q&A was posted today. The translation will be posted later today I'm sure.

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Originally Posted by Sasaraixx

Seriously. Let it go.

Also, the BLM Q&A was posted today. The translation will be posted later today I'm sure.

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SE is clearly obsessed with scholar right now. No other jobs have gotten the attention they did. They won't be happy until scholar is overpowered and obsoletes black mage, like most of the scholars want and continually post about.

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Originally Posted by Siiri

SE is clearly obsessed with scholar right now. No other jobs have gotten the attention they did. They won't be happy until scholar is overpowered and obsoletes black mage, like most of the scholars want and continually post about.

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Funny, I didnt know SE was giving SCHs ga spells and AM magic as well.

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Originally Posted by Siiri

SE is clearly obsessed with scholar right now. No other jobs have gotten the attention they did. They won't be happy until scholar is overpowered and obsoletes black mage, like most of the scholars want and continually post about.

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You keep thinking that. You're wrong, but that doesn't seem to bother you. The paranoia is really not necessary.

Considering Scholar is arguably one of the least useful and fundamentally flawed jobs in the entire game right now, I dare say the attention is warranted. And I don't even have Scholar leveled outside of Subjob level =/.

There isn't a single mage class in the game that has to worry about being "outshined" by Scholar. Not White Mage, not Black Mage, and certainly not Red Mage. Get over it.

Inb4 crying about Drk, Smn, Bst, Pup, Smn, and Smn etc