Level 99 Relic, Mythic, Empyrean, and WoE Weapons

Agreed heh. I've already had the urge to finish pushing my Almace to 90 knowing that'll be needed to unlock CDC, and been doing some WoE tonight to try collecting items for future WSs to unlock too. Just being told this has actually given me a drive to do older content again. If collecting items was really such a bad point for me, I would've quit this game back during the CoP days. At least collecting items for these weapons has a guaranteed reward.

I think the statement you are talking about was more toward the idea of getting the items for a 99 WoE weapon, not unlocking the WSs themselves, however I may be wrong.

On the other hand, as there is a huge difference in difficulty between the new routes and the current routes, we will be easing the current routes and reducing the amount of seals, coins, Devious Die, and Liminal Residue needed by more than half.

The latter adjustment is for those of you who have already progressed quite a ways with your Walk of Echoes weapon. Though I apologize that if you have already traded in items more than the amount needed after the adjustment you will not be able to get them back.

Lol...

Well it's about time we heard some news. I've always planned to stop my FFXIV extended break and return to XI once the RME business was handled. Looks like I better start sharpening my relics for battle. Oddly enough, as I reach my two month anni of FFXIV, I'm nearly maxed out with what I wanted to do and boredom has started to set in, just in time for Nov.

Say what you want about the FFXI grind yesteryear and today, but boy 14 sure has given me new found appreciation for not having stuff handed to you on a silver platter. Not to mention an appreciation for a text based game. If I scroll through an inventory of icons for much longer I'm going to hang myself.

Is there a Date for them to Release what updates be and how are they going to be done.

I Been waiting ever since they mention it................ 10/14 EMP Weapons.......... :(

Thinking of getting last 4 too just for the WS (Scythe, Axe, Club, Polearm)

Well that's good.
The ONLY downside to them all being 119.... is that the moment the game goes beyond 119 we're almost back to square 1 again. (I say almost because they'll still have iLvs... so... it'll just be the damage/stats that will be outdated by anything greater than 119.)

I am overjoyed at the unlocking of the empy WS. (now all that's left is Relic lol)
And I am really happy about the REMs actually getting iLvs... SO much work could have been wasted if they hadn't...
Good to know everyone was on the ball on that.

(also having them be 119 kinda means that Delve2-X will be CL20: iLv119. Otherwise... this was a dumb waste of everyone's life.)

It's kinda hella close to the actual update... but it's good to have real information instead of just having to suppose about stuff that was said half a year ago.

I just hope that it doesn't screw over ppl with delve gear....
I just want everyone to be able to play together happily.

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The ONLY downside to them all being 119.... is that the moment the game goes beyond 119 we're almost back to square 1 again. (I say almost because they'll still have iLvs... so... it'll just be the damage/stats that will be outdated by anything greater than 119.)

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I do believe SE will be much slower about increasing iLevel's from this point on. They did too much too fast in jumping to iLevel 119. It would be best for them to move more slowly as there is still a ton of 119 gear not available, like the rest of the sets, or crafted / KI versions of some weapons.

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Originally Posted by saevel

I do believe SE will be much slower about increasing iLevel's from this point on. They did too much too fast in jumping to iLevel 119. It would be best for them to move more slowly as there is still a ton of 119 gear not available, like the rest of the sets, or crafted / KI versions of some weapons.

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Even so, there will be still be that huge wave of hate against having them all outdated AGAIN.
I don't think the game is gonna go past 120.

At least not for Adoulin.
Maybe in another expansion... but not Adoulin.

Also:
I REALLY hope that they add Dancer, Scholar, Rune Fencer, and Geomancer to the appropriate daggers, staffs, clubs, and great swords of the Relics and Empys.
SCH and DNC should have been added to Relics day1...
And it would be nice to have Caladbolg and Ragnarok as options for RUN... Senbaak is ugly IMO.
(So is Caladbolg.... so... Put stuff on Relics SE!)

Don't forget Blue Mage, Corsair and Puppetmaster lol. Even if there are better options, I wouldn't mind some Excalibur action on my Blue Mage. Only job that would benefit from it's added effect really... *couenspellsgh*

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Originally Posted by Leocon

Don't forget Blue Mage, Corsair and Puppetmaster lol. Even if there are better options, I wouldn't mind some Excalibur action on my Blue Mage. Only job that would benefit from it's added effect really... *couenspellsgh*

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COR is on the relic gun right?
And is BLU on no relics??
I don't play those.... but I would have sworn PUP was on the relic H2H and I'm fairly sure the relic gun is rng/cor...

But if they aren't.... wtf SE!?
Get on that!

Nope, sadly no jobs since RotZ have been added to relic weapons.

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While RMEs will be upgraded to item level 119, because they have special available weapon skills and other abilities specific to the weapons, we will balance this out by slightly suppressing the DMG value.

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What about Relics that have a terrible Weaponskill and a terrible Aftermath that can basically be considered broken, Gungnir being one example?

Greetings,

I have a follow-up comment from Producer Akihiko Matsui to share in regards to the relic, mythic, and empyrean weapon revamps.

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Originally Posted by Akihiko_Matsui

Matsui here.
I have some follow-up information on the relic, mythic, and empyrean weapon revamps.

First, we are planning to make it possible revamp these weapons moving forward based on item level increases while at the same time adding other equipment with the same item levels that can be selected for use as well.

Also, we plan on making adjustments to make it easier to create mythic and empyrean weapons. The plans below are still in the works, but I just wanted to let you know what we are looking into.

For mythic weapons, we plan on easing up on the participant restrictions for Salvage, Assault, and Einherjar. However, the easing on the restrictions for Salvage and Assault are directly tied to increase in instance lag, and there may be a possibility that other content such as Skirmish becomes congested, so we’d like to look into this carefully.

For empyrean weapons, we understand the necessity to upgrade these weapons with even fewer people and we would like to look into ways that will enable a lot more people to participate in Voidwatch.

We’ll also be periodically adding high difficulty content where you can put your RMEs to good use.

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We understand that some of you are also curious about combat skill + for RMEs:

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

So, I understand that the base DMG rating will be lower, the real question that need be asked now seems to be, will the Skill be the same as other 119 weapons? I hope the skill stays the same as on other 119 weapons due to the fact that it would be highly damaging to the weapons to lose out on a stat as vital as accuracy. So long as we don't lose any skill, this seems great!

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The amount of combat skill + to be added to RMEs will be the same amount we add to weapons that are also item level 119. For example, an item level 119 hand-to-hand weapon will have the same combat skill+ value as that of a hand-to-hand RME.

However, special properties on RMEs such as the critical hit enhancements on Ragnarok will not be increase further.

Will afrermaths be looked into? The development team wishes to have R/M/E's base damage set lower than Delve boss weapons but some weapons have truly inferior or outdated effects. Can setting Gungnir's base damage lower than Upukirex be justified when the 'Defense Down" additional effect is not only weaker than Angon but also overwrites Angon? Under that paradigm, using Gungnir would reduce the alliance's DPS and people would probably tell DRGs with Gungnir to put their Gungnir away so that Angon doesn't get overwritten. Additionally the aftermath effect of Geirskogul is still a 12 damage shock spikes. Does that special effect really justify having it have a lower base damage than Upukirex?

Finally, will Relic WS modifiers be reevaluated? Scourge having a CHR modifier and Geirskogul having an AGI modifier seem preposterous considering DRKs have dismal CHR and DRG have pitiful AGI?

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Originally Posted by Akihiko_Matsui

make it easier to create mythic

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About time!

Hello Dev team i have a couple suggestions or questions... dont know what catagory lol but here i go
next update ppl will be able to unlock empyrean weapons skill but comparated to empyrean weapons users ... i think they are going to be un fair, let me explain why
while ppl can use mythic weapons skills after doing a quest to unlock, comparated to mythic users, these weapons skills, have 30% less dmg then mythic user.
what im going to ask is empyrean users going to be a boost about 30% similar to mythic users? i think that part is great, anf if not, so can you remove the 30% boost on mythics and make this just similar to both users?

talk about REM always bring a lot of thoughts, make this fair is almost impossible, "fair" mean is subjetive.
i know a lot of ppl can say empyrean weapons have AM after they use empyrean weapon skill but so mythic does too...
after 1500 plates and 60 cinders or dross empyrean weapon skill should have a boost comparated to the 200k plasma weapon
a mythic lv 119 ws will do more dmg than lv 119 plasma ws (if they use the mythic ws)
why shouldnt empyrean weapon does more dmg comparated to a lv 119 weapon when they use empyrean weapon skill

Thank you for the reply, I am very happy to know the Skill will be remaining the same as other 119 weapons, it was my greatest fear about this update.

If I may ask another question, while I understand the things like Critical Hit Rate on Ragnarok will not necessarily be enhanced, is there any chance some of the effects or Aftermaths which are rather weak, and unusable, will be revamped as well into more useful abilities? There are many of these through out Relics which are great, and equally as many which are so bad it just isn't possible to benefit from, such as Shock Spikes for the Polearm, which have a very low activation rate, or something like Regen from Excalibur's Knights of Round, which has been a static 10 Regen, which used to be helpful, but now days is hardly a dent in our high HP pools. I would love to see some of these changed, because while some effects such as the Critical Hit Rate bonus were boosted from 75 --> 99, Aftermaths stayed the same, many are rather underpowered for that reason, and the same goes for other bonus effects such as the Damage varies with HP effect of Excalibur which I think should have gotten stronger than 25% so that it would be better than En-spells, seeing as they do not stack.

A response to this would be greatly appreciated.

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Originally Posted by Minikom

Hello Dev team i have a couple suggestions or questions... dont know what catagory lol but here i go
next update ppl will be able to unlock empyrean weapons skill but comparated to empyrean weapons users ... i think they are going to be un fair, let me explain why
while ppl can use mythic weapons skills after doing a quest to unlock, comparated to mythic users, these weapons skills, have 30% less dmg then mythic user.
what im going to ask is empyrean users going to be a boost about 30% similar to mythic users? i think that part is great, anf if not, so can you remove the 30% boost on mythics and make this just similar to both users?

talk about REM always bring a lot of thoughts, make this fair is almost impossible, "fair" mean is subjetive.
i know a lot of ppl can say empyrean weapons have AM after they use empyrean weapon skill but so mythic does too...
after 1500 plates and 60 cinders or dross empyrean weapon skill should have a boost comparated to the 200k plasma weapon
a mythic lv 119 ws will do more dmg than lv 119 plasma ws (if they use the mythic ws)
why shouldnt empyrean weapon does more dmg comparated to a lv 119 weapon when they use empyrean weapon skill

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Empyrean weapon will do more damage when you have ODD AM3. Which is why they want to put their damage rating lower then current 119 weapons.

I'm sure after spending 6 months rigorously testing Gungnir, they decided that doing 15 damage for a few seconds every time you get hit after you strategically fire off Gierskogul (that did so much damage you pulled aggro) in your hybrid DRG STR/AGI build that you always carry with you (doubling as an evasion set of course), that they decided that leaving it as is would be the best choice lest Dragoons suddenly become the most powerful class in the game.

Well that, or they spent 5 and a half months not doing anything about it and decided to throw all the weapons into the Official FFXI Weapon Damage Calculator™, gave it lv119 skill and then called it a day.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

Empyrean weapon will do more damage when you have ODD AM3. Which is why they want to put their damage rating lower then current 119 weapons.

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so mythics will do more dmg with AM3 and DA/TA effect

dont think you got my point
we are at point where ppl will get empyrean weapons skills and comparated to real empyrean users, they get fulluse for that ws with a weapon they can get in AH, or 1 day of doing delve when empyrean weapons take weeks maybe months depending on supply items, so why empy cant have dmg boost similar to mythic and relics?

While you fixing mythics requirements, please increase drop rates for cottons/linens specially, old bosses on salvage2 should be able to drop linens, they used to drop them on old salvage just dont see why they not drop on new salvage, if not make 100% cottons there, NQ Boss should ahve 50% drop rate on linens, 7-15% is too low, being 1/15 runs on linen, i know others can have better luck etc but we arent talking about that here, Cottons should have more alex 5-20 is what usually they have make it more standard to 10-20 and linens to 80-100

I have no problem with them getting a boost, but they also need to fix Relic and Mythic WSs or give them a bonus even larger than they already have. Part of why Empyrean WSs were not given a boost when Relic and Mythic WSs were is because Relic and Mythic WSs, well... suck. Most of them are nothing compared to Empyrean WSs because they were made for level 75s, even with the 30~35% bonus most of them still suck, my Knights of Round never would beat a CDC or Req because KoR simply sucks. The same goes for some others. So if they give them a boost, they need to fix Relic and Mythic WSs so they are on par, or they need to raise the boost accordingly, so if Empyreans get 30%, Relics should get probably around 70% and Mythics around 60%, doubling the bonus, maybe then they would work out.

They would need to look at each WS individually, which is something they have never done, because that would require more than 5 minutes of effort (seriously...even if someone didn't understand the mechanics of the game I'd guess it'd take them at most a day of screwing around to figure out how bad some of them are, especially if you had debugging powers like "Give me 999 STR"). If you increase Mercy Stroke by 80% or whatever it'd be stupidly strong, increasing Geirskogul by 80% would still be awful. If you increased Drakesbane by 80% it would be ridiculous, if you increase Blade: Kamu by 80% it would still suck, etc. It's pretty crazy that after years and years of feedback from the playerbase, with detailed mathing out of the game for them, and 6 months to work on these weapons with constant "we're working on it guys" messages, and the result is still "input bigger DMG number into code, spend 5 months smoking weed".

I'm not really surprised by this sort of thing anymore, it's just kind of sad. I really wish they'd be more transparent about their process so maybe there's some kind of actual explanation for why it takes them 6 months to do something any knowledgeable player would take maybe a day to do.

I'm not really sure why I've had an active subscription for so long. I kept holding out expecting magical damage to be on par with MNK WAR DRK if properly supported but it never came. I'm almost positive if REM staves for BLM SCH SMN don't get properly fixed; I'm just done. I won't be wasting any more money on a company heading towards financial collapse, either. It's silly to think that such imbalance occurs for the jobs I've always tried playing most. I'd rather just spend free time on a more enjoyable game.

Create fair relic, empyrean, mythic weapons for magical damage dealers or I'm out. Crafted items hold almost no appeal for me. I don't want to use an Atinian staff over REM weapons, much like how a DRK doesn't want to use a senbaak.

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Additionally the aftermath effect of Geirskogul is still a 12 damage shock spikes. Does that special effect really justify having it have a lower base damage than Upukirex?

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I believe that their hidden effect OD2.5 is the justification for the lower damage, not the aftermaths.

This was part of one of the translations about why they were making the dmg lower: "because they have special available weapon skills and other abilities specific to the weapons" Gungnir has a bad weaponskill and the aftermath is a 10 damage shock spikes that can't stun mobs 50 levels below the characters level let alone anything important.

In all honesty I think mage RMEs might finally hold some promise. Probably not the Relics and Empyreans admittedly outside of Magic Accuracy since that comes hand in hand with +skill effects. Mythics however, have had actual magic based stats, and now they have finally thrown enough Magic Attack Bonus and their new Magic Damage stat that they have finally beaten the effects of Affinity, which they for some reason refused to give to the RMEs in the first place. I think they will put enough MAB/MDMG that at least the Mythic will be a great weapon for actual magic uses.

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Originally Posted by Akihiko_Matsui
For empyrean weapons, we understand the necessity to upgrade these weapons with even fewer people and we would like to look into ways that will enable a lot more people to participate in Voidwatch.

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I really, really would not want to do VW ever again. The concept of Proccing for a NM's weakness and the use of temporary item takes the fun out of the game.

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Originally Posted by Leocon

Nope, sadly no jobs since RotZ have been added to relic weapons.

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Crap! You're right!
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Get on that, SE!
>:[

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Originally Posted by Helldemon

What about Relics that have a terrible Weaponskill and a terrible Aftermath that can basically be considered broken, Gungnir being one example?

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It's not really that it's broken.... it's just that it sucks.
I mean... Dear god... Claustrum.
Claustrum!!
It's probably the crappiest out of all the REMs... at least Gungnir has the same DPS as the empy polearm... (obviously we're not talking about the WS here)
But it'll only be with this update to 119 that Claustrum will actually have mage stats on it. (In this case the Macc derived from the "fake" skill. So... it's still crap.)

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Originally Posted by Ophannus

Will afrermaths be looked into? The development team wishes to have R/M/E's base damage set lower than Delve boss weapons but some weapons have truly inferior or outdated effects. Can setting Gungnir's base damage lower than Upukirex be justified when the 'Defense Down" additional effect is not only weaker than Angon but also overwrites Angon? Under that paradigm, using Gungnir would reduce the alliance's DPS and people would probably tell DRGs with Gungnir to put their Gungnir away so that Angon doesn't get overwritten. Additionally the aftermath effect of Geirskogul is still a 12 damage shock spikes. Does that special effect really justify having it have a lower base damage than Upukirex?

Finally, will Relic WS modifiers be reevaluated? Scourge having a CHR modifier and Geirskogul having an AGI modifier seem preposterous considering DRKs have dismal CHR and DRG have pitiful AGI?

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Uhg... I forgot about that... cause I don't play drg.
iirc they might have mentioned something about changing either angon or geirskogul to have them be separate... but... pretty sure that's been either ditched or is on the back burner with Cait Sith and Atomos.
And while it would be nice to have the attribute mods changed... it'll never happen.
At least with iLv gear.... you'll have like +50 or more to each of those nonprimary stats.... so.... yeah.... :/

As to the announcement about them having the same "fake" skill.... I'm rather surprised at that.
Crobaci+1 and Bereaver don't have the same +skill... (153 and 162 respectively) And they are both 113 weapons.
I would have thought that the +acc mod on the REMs would have just been eaten into the "fake" skill... so that the ones that had +acc have a higher "fake" skill than other 119 weapons.
But then Bereaver had both +acc and a higher "fake" skill than crobaci+1... so it was more of just a nice "streamlining" to save space... cause.. dear god are these items gonna have a LOT of words on them.

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

In all honesty I think mage RMEs might finally hold some promise. Probably not the Relics and Empyreans admittedly outside of Magic Accuracy since that comes hand in hand with +skill effects. Mythics however, have had actual magic based stats, and now they have finally thrown enough Magic Attack Bonus and their new Magic Damage stat that they have finally beaten the effects of Affinity, which they for some reason refused to give to the RMEs in the first place. I think they will put enough MAB/MDMG that at least the Mythic will be a great weapon for actual magic uses.

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Mythics even now are still good. (obviously no longer the top of magery... but still really good none the less.)
Heck, lv75 yagrush is still useful for a whm today.
This iLvfication of them... will just make them CRAY CRAY!
Though I wonder if they will be getting +Mdmg... >_>
That kind of oversight is something that I don't count on being out of the realms of possibility.

And hey! Hvergelmir... has... +MP?
>_>
<_<
At least it's better than Claustrum.

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Originally Posted by FaeQueenCory

Crap! You're right!
It's not really that it's broken.... it's just that it sucks.

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Idk about you but I consider a 1% proc rate for stun on the shock spikes on level 20 mobs that lasts less then a second pretty horribly broken.

I dont reply posts very often so I hope I do it right,
Im my defense iLvL was forced upon us, let alone we had to upgrade RME's already from 75 to 99. 99 being the max level for a player.
I really do believe 99 RME's should be getting direct stat upgrade. no BS no questions asked, we already worked very very hard and spent
a fortune on them. Somehow I know this reply wont matter, but SE you want your paying members back? do it!

Believe the Path and requirements should be lowered to build those Weapons

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The amount of combat skill + to be added to RMEs will be the same amount we add to weapons that are also item level 119. For example, an item level 119 hand-to-hand weapon will have the same combat skill+ value as that of a hand-to-hand RME.

However, special properties on RMEs such as the critical hit enhancements on Ragnarok will not be increase further.

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This is what I wanted to know. That makes my 99 Almace worthwhile on my BLU regardless if CDC gets a boost or not. Will the secondary stats be looked at? Relics have +40 acc or attack while Emps have +20 to a specific stat. Will these secondary stats be raised slightly? Also is the dev team going to look at boosting Emp WS damage when using them with the Weapon like how Mythics are?

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Originally Posted by Helldemon

Idk about you but I consider a 1% proc rate for stun on the shock spikes on level 20 mobs that lasts less then a second pretty horribly broken.

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:(
The spell is just as janky awful...
Shock spikes was a nice idea... but poorly implemented.
The whole "shock spike effect" needs a potency boost just to make it an actual upgrade to ice spikes...
Cause not even casting shock spikes with overcapped enhancing makes it worth being cast for as long as I can remember.
But it's "not broken"... so it just sucks.

Yep SE can keep their account, I want nothing to do with 11.

Question for the Devs

If someone upgrades to the level 119 R/E/M, can they later do the magian trial to upgrade to the afterglow version?

They should have put +combat skill on the preexisting 99 weapons, so they were at least more usable while we have to do the new grindy trial they added. So until I do the new trial my weapon is still garbage compared to easymode delve gear on SoA content because it doesnt have the much needed +combat skill.

I'd be surprised if 20% of the RME owners come back and stick with the revamp left the way it is.
The only consolation is that they intend to keep the weapons growing with item level, provided we can trust them to keep their word.

I am hopeful that they keep adding the drops to new content and that the boxes and parcels become more plentiful. Right now I'm okay with the concept of collecting items, but feel like the amount is too much. Especially on a server like Valefor where we can't get our shit together.

Hey guys, I got a cool idea, lets make them beat a boss 3000 times after going through all the work of getting the REM so that they can have a weapon that is slightly better than the weapon that boss drops with a 50% rate.

Everyone present for that meeting should be fired. Doesn't matter to me though, cancelling subs. Its clear that they are too far out of touch with the game to even begin to comprehend how ridiculous the "trials" are. I thought they would actually put some effort into the upgrades and make them fun and interesting... but no, just some bull shit grind fest for 300 magic marbles of doom that you have to share with 18 other people. Only 450-800million gil and you too can have a weapon "competitive" with the one you got today with a random pick up in 45 min for free. GOOD JOB.

I'm in the process of obtaining 300,000,000 gil for a mythic, and this is what we get, the need for another 100,000,000 - 150,000,000. This is unacceptable.