Legion still sucks.

What happened to the 180k gil/entry for a 18 cap fight?

this was really something to make it more interesting to even try out Legion on a 18 cap fight and where it dont hurt to much if you pay for it and can only kill half the mobs...

really not motivation to see devs dont care about makeing Legion more interesting /doable for players.

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this was really something to make it more interesting to even try out Legion on a 18 cap fight and where it dont hurt to much if you pay for it and can only kill half the mobs...

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half the players doesn't mean half the mobs. The enemies are half the HP and you're supposed to be able to kill about the same assuming ability to survive.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

What? Don't you gimps know that 10 millions of today is one million of yesterday. If I wanted I could buy meteor (25M in bazars..) and arise. Thing is they are worthless. I mean 3 min weakness so what ? When will that be useful ? If at least it was aoe then you could say it's usefull on a wipe, but no. They are worth getting if you find them at the AH or in bazar for 10-20 M but honestly, doing provenance just for them is no worth anyone's time, and after seeing the devs post, they are seriously considering that it worth doing Legion over and over against unkillable mobs for a chance at them. Man... Legion drops are about as garbage as voidwatch, the difference is that VW provide riftcinder/dross/plates which lots of people are needing to get something that is ACTUALLY good, aka the best weapons in the game. If at least VW was the same as einherjar was at 75 : an alternative way to get drops from other events.

Idk ? Let the hnms drop stuff like marrow/scoria/Nyzul gear and maybe we will care to ettempt to perfect defense zerk it ¿

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/facepalm, /facepalm, i didnt bother responding to you anymore because of your tunnle vision view but jesus,

yes, everything is useless, everywhere, unless its for meele only and has +100 attack, acc 50 str, dex, vit, w/e

you seem to forget that just because you use certain jobs and dislike other jobs, and therefore find things "useless" does not speak for everyone.

if prov is not worth your time to get spells you have no use for, why the hell would you even put that as a comparison, to me, prov is not worth going for at all aside for the spells. it has "nice" gear but nothing worth breaking your neck over, but oh, going by your dumb logic that should what everyone should be thinking.

Your opinion dosn't mean that is what everyone's opinion is, bottom line, neither spell is useless. TO PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY PLAY WHM AND BLM, period. to you? yes. what use do braindead meele users have with spells?

Do not care what you "could" buy it them for, the prices they are now are retarded, as well as anyone who actually waste gill on them. i got both for FREE because i acttualy do the BCs not sit here and whine that they are useless because i can't get them or dont use either mage job.

I don't why i even borther responding to you, posting on a diffrent user name, you have the same low IQ.

What would Arise or Meteor actually enable you to do better than you can do right now? The three-minute weakness timer on Arise is pointless for wipe recovery unless multiple WHMs have it (and even then, not as fast as everyone using Reraise like they should), and Meteor does not, on paper, look especially useful unless you've got a bunch of BLMs together.....who all have Meteor.

PS you didn't get them for free. It cost you the exact same 20 million as anyone else.

(ITT yet another example of pchan saying pretty uncontroversial things in a really aggressive way, thus baiting others into untenable positions because they don't want to agree with him about anything, ever)

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Originally Posted by scaevola

What would Arise or Meteor actually enable you to do better than you can do right now? The three-minute weakness timer on Arise is pointless for wipe recovery unless multiple WHMs have it (and even then, not as fast as everyone using Reraise like they should), and Meteor does not, on paper, look especially useful unless you've got a bunch of BLMs together.....who all have Meteor.

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The same thing any other peice of armor from the BC does for you. in fact, you can play the rest of this game with all your jobs in full AF3 and never get another peice of gear again, the use in those spells depend ont he people who use those jobs. i wont sit here and explain it because it's something you have to actually expreince for you self.

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PS you didn't get them for free. It cost you the exact same 20 million as anyone else.

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I am assuming this was saracsm, because obviously the dragon requires that i give him 20 mil each time for a scroll

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(ITT yet another example of pchan saying pretty uncontroversial things in a really aggressive way, thus baiting others into untenable positions because they don't want to agree with him about anything, ever)

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I usually ignore the moron, but sometimes his stupidity gets to me and i have to let him know that. this time he sucked me in, but back to ignoring.

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Originally Posted by scaevola

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Jesus H. Christ, is this still going on? She's saying they aren't useless, with which I agree. Are they game-changing? Fuck no. Are they nice to have? Fuck yes. Do you want a use for Arise? Here are two:

Inalienable truth #1: Not everybody remembers to put Reraise up 100% of the time, or has time to do so in a high-intensity AOE situation where they Raise only to wipe again. If this has never happened to you, congratulations. If you deny this has never happened to anyone you know ever, I call shenanigans. Even great players, if you only run with those, have an off day.

Inalienable Truth #2: Not all DD are made equal, as parsewhores are well aware (you know who you are). I tend to hand out Arise to the best DD's in a group when I know the extra 2 minutes can enable them to get back in the fray that much quicker. And nobody has ever said to me "Oh Raise III would have been fine enough" when their weakness drops early and they don't have to waste a Reraise charge.

And it IS possible to get them for free. I don't know how she got them, but you can get them for free via a LS like I did or by a very lucky freelot.

EDIT: You will never see me argue Arise or Meteor are gamechanging or essential for every WHM or BLM to have. They are luxury items, in the same vein as most of those 99 R/M/E's everyone seems to be striving for that cost tens/hundreds of millions of gil for minor stat increases which will likely never be the difference between beating a mob and not beating a mob, and will likely only serve for people to jab each over parses. Are 99 R/M/E's gamechanging? No. Are they nice to have? Sure, ok. Are people now going to disallow the same right to want luxury items to WHM's and BLM's? Illogical.

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Originally Posted by Mahoro

Jesus H. Christ, she's saying they aren't useless, with which I agree. Are they game-changing? Fuck no. Are they nice to have? Fuck yes. Do you want a use for Arise? Here are two:

Inalienable truth #1: Not everybody remembers to put Reraise up 100% of the time, or has time to do so in a high-intensity AOE situation where they Raise only to wipe again. If this has never happened to you, congratulations. If you deny this has never happened to anyone you know ever, I call shenanigans.

Inalienable Truth #2: Not all DD are made equal, as parsewhores are well aware (you know who you are). I tend to hand out Arise to the best DD's in a group when I know the extra 2 minutes can enable them to get back in the fray that much quicker. And nobody has ever said to me "Oh Raise III would have been fine enough" when their weakness drops early and they don't have to waste a Reraise charge.

And it IS possible to get them for free. I don't know how she got them, but you can get them for free via a LS or by a very lucky freelot.

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hahahah yes, my server has 2 very decidated VW shouters, and the groups allow FL by comment, i got both that way. my shell knows me for my flucating luck and im sure most arent happy with that fact >.> but yes they both came from free lots by comment (had to beat 5+ people on each one)

Ah, very nice Vortex, grats :)

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PS you didn't get them for free. It cost you the exact same 20 million as anyone else.

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Originally Posted by Vortex

I am assuming this was saracsm, because obviously the dragon requires that i give him 20 mil each time for a scroll

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Originally Posted by Mahoro

And it IS possible to get them for free. I don't know how she got them, but you can get them for free via a LS like I did or by a very lucky freelot.

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He's probably talking about opportunity cost.

You lose 20M by using the scroll instead of selling it etc. etc.

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Originally Posted by Raksha

He's probably talking about opportunity cost.

You lose 20M by using the scroll instead of selling it etc. etc.

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That and time is money. You can chase the scroll or go make guaranteed gil.