I haven't leveled Bard myself, I'm only going by my experiences with pick up group people. When doing stuff with a more familiar group, short of a memorable run trying to land light magic in general on a certain tiger that we had the misfortune of having to pop close to Lightsday due to a ton of stuff going wrong with scheduling, I've never seen our group have an issue with Bard procs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Defiledsickness
I was just trying to use people doing stuff like that as an example to back up my suggestion that BLU could easily get to be able to cast one non-set spell on a long timer. But if you keep shooting me down with silly concepts like people actually capping their skills, wearing gear and making rational arguments, the communists win. Do you want the communists to win? Do you?
FINAL FANTASY XI Job Adjustmentｓ Manifesto [Blue Mage]
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08-17-2011, 02:55 AMEconomizer
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08-17-2011, 03:32 AMDefiledsickness
lol well we definitely could use a +m.acc spell on blu. or lowers targets magic evasion. idk if magic defense down helps any.
in any case having to proc with brd sucks. Thf's should learn how to tank so we can stop bringing Nin to seal farms and let blu's proc /nin. TH is better then yellow drops anyways half the time. -
08-17-2011, 04:00 AMSpankWustlerActually, this is just due to Blue Mage generally having either 0 Healing Magic skill, 130-ish Healing Magic skill, or 300+ Healing Magic skill. According to a couple of cure calculators I've played with, going from 0 to 300+ skill would have a similar effect on Cure V and Cure VI as it does on Magic Fruit and Peeonallofthem Embrace.Quote:
Originally Posted by Economizer
It only seems like skill has a more potent effect because the change in skill level is so huge. Well, unless you mean relative to the base amount. -
08-17-2011, 04:47 AMNightfyreDifferent setups for different spells and different spells for different situations; our primary niche is still the frontline after all. The higher relative value of dINT is kind of a pain given that we'd use these spells against high INT targets (high-level NMs) though. That said, I would like to see an upgrade in the weapon slot; with BLM/RDM/SCH rocking affinity+5 these days and 9 levels remaining for Magian trials our level 51 affinity+2 staves are more than a little lackluster. INT/MAB swords aren't really a good answer to this problem either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mightyg
Also, I hope that our base Fast Cast trait will be fixed in the next update as opposed to having to set a second level of it to get 10% like everyone else does from the first available RDM trait. -
08-17-2011, 05:01 AMEconomizerWhat's really fun is when you need to proc red and yellow because you also want the KI for another pop from your seal farm mob.Quote:
Originally Posted by Defiledsickness
Relative to the base amount. But also because healing magic skill seems to have less effect if your Mind is sufficiently high. Having capped skill doesn't affect healing as much as it does any other skill, although this goes beyond cure bombs...Quote:
Originally Posted by SpankWustler
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08-17-2011, 05:56 AMHelel
Regurgitation is one of the best nuking spells in the game. The damage is similar to a T3 nuke, however the low recast, low mp cost, and almost 0 enmity, allows you to spam it and never run out of MP.
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08-17-2011, 08:38 AMDeadvinta
Something I've noticed with BLU updates, very frequently:
"We're adding more spells!"
"We're adding more spells!"
"We're adding more spells!"
"We're adding more spells!"
Kudos to that, but I would rather see:
"We're revising existing spells!"
"We're making more job trait combos!"
"We're giving a bonus chance to learn spells at higher Blue Mage levels!" -
08-17-2011, 01:38 PMVagruaAbout this, will it be possible to learn the HNM abilities from other monsters that use them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Camate
Examples:
Isgebind, Ouryu, Smok, and Azdaja use Spike Flail, but are not known as HNM.
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08-17-2011, 08:03 PMHelelI'm confused. Why are you saying those mobs are not HNMs? They all give titles, they're significantly harder than the original "HNMs," and by harder, I do not mean they're actually hard, and they're all of the same mob family as their counterparts outside abyssea. They seem to fit every definition of HNM I can come up with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vagrua
Are you asking whether we'll have to camp the "original" HNM to learn the spell or something? I would hope not. There is no "original" HNM for some of these abilities, like spike flail, so I can't see them doing that. -
08-17-2011, 09:50 PMNightfyre
The ability to learn a move from a mob has always been determined by mob family/subfamily, not the name of the specific monster in question; I don't see why there would be any such limitation with these spells since as far as I know there are no subfamilies for wyrms, khimairas, etc and with the exception of the Tahrongi mini-wyrms/turtles/sandworms all mobs in these families are NMs of some sort. The "H" in HNM doesn't really carry the same meaning these days since spawn camping is (mostly, #$%^ Gukumatz) dead.
Fafnir and Nidhogg are disappoint.Quote:
There is no "original" HNM for some of these abilities, like spike flail, so I can't see them doing that.