Lower The Minimum Level Required To Enter Abyssea from 30-1

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Originally Posted by Niklz

That is such a lie.

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blu learns 25 things from 1-30.

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you win, i was wrong!

I'm in complete agreement with the OP. Soloing to 30 is generally more efficient than party (SMNburn excluded) but it is monotonous and boring.

Partying (with the exception of SMNburns) is a complete waste of time for all but a select few party builds, and if you start getting picky and jobs you may as well be SMNburning.

I think introducing Abyssea to level 1 players would be loads of fun. Think about it honestly.. how many of you got to do the Bubbly Bernie alliance? Most didn't (but secretly wish they had).

Even excluding the leech factor, wouldn't building a level 1 alliance exp group rock your face off?

If someone posted something similar then: awesome. I'm not reading 600+ posts lol. This ain't BG.

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Originally Posted by Yarly

Also, you don't learn a damned thing about your jobs at levels 1-30. So this artificial level requirement seems unnecessary.

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I agree about arbitrary level requirement, but I disagree heartily about the not learning anything statement.

In fact, everything I need to know in FFXI I learned pre-30:

Goblin Leechers suck.
The Dunes suck.
Goblin Gamblers suck.
Low level parties suck.
Banshees suck.
Accidentally targetting that NM bird in West Saruta while soloing sucks.

The walk to Jeuno rocked! I hoofed it solo as 18 THF, spamming my linkshell with fearful questions about EVERY mob I saw aggroing or not.. hiding behind trees as if it made a difference.. Best adventure ever.

If I made that trip and then got 90 the same day, that would have been the best day of my life!

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Originally Posted by Chocobits

I'm in complete agreement with the OP. Soloing to 30 is generally more efficient than party (SMNburn excluded) but it is monotonous and boring.

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This seems to be the only some what tiny... sad argument in lowering it to level 1. Really how many times do I need to heard this? When it gets down to it, the people that want it dropped to level 1 all seem to hate level, and think it is a boring chore that wastes time......

Again are you forgetting what you are playing? This is an MMORPG, saying these things just show that you might not need to be playing an MMORPG at all, if this is how you really feel.

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Originally Posted by Kailea_Nagisa

Again are you forgetting what you are playing? This is an MMORPG, saying these things just show that you might not need to be playing an MMORPG at all, if this is how you really feel.

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I never realized there was only one way to play an MMORPG. Guess I've been doing it wrong.

I support this idea of changing the minimum level cap to 1 for Abyssea!

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Originally Posted by Kailea_Nagisa

the people that want it dropped to level 1 all seem to hate level, and think it is a boring chore that wastes time......

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It is and it is.

Nobody's saying you are not allowed to exp the "oldfashioned" way. Or solo, for that matter. You can now, and you still can even if Abyssea level cap is lifted. Which I hope will happen.

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Originally Posted by Chocobits

I agree about arbitrary level requirement, but I disagree heartily about the not learning anything statement.

In fact, everything I need to know in FFXI I learned pre-30:

Goblin Leechers suck.
The Dunes suck.
Goblin Gamblers suck.
Low level parties suck.
Banshees suck.
Accidentally targetting that NM bird in West Saruta while soloing sucks.

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If you bothered to read my post, I said you learn nothing about your job but you do have a point, I suppose.

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Originally Posted by Chocobits

I agree about arbitrary level requirement, but I disagree heartily about the not learning anything statement.

In fact, everything I need to know in FFXI I learned pre-30:

Goblin Leechers suck.
The Dunes suck.
Goblin Gamblers suck.
Low level parties suck.
Banshees suck.
Accidentally targetting that NM bird in West Saruta while soloing sucks.

The walk to Jeuno rocked! I hoofed it solo as 18 THF, spamming my linkshell with fearful questions about EVERY mob I saw aggroing or not.. hiding behind trees as if it made a difference.. Best adventure ever.

If I made that trip and then got 90 the same day, that would have been the best day of my life!

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You forgot Goblin Smithys!!!

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Originally Posted by Kailea_Nagisa

Again are you forgetting what you are playing? This is an MMORPG, saying these things just show that you might not need to be playing an MMORPG at all, if this is how you really feel.

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I'm not following you. The guy you are arguing against likes the Massive Multiplayer Online content. So he clearly wants to play a MMO. Secondly a RPG is a Role Playing Game, which means that if you are not speaking in character and role playing, you are doing it wrong anyway and have nothing to back up your claims about what you SHOULD be doing in a MMORPG.

And I must admit I still don't see the special charm in leveling. The only difference between leveling and playing as level 90 is if you get a Level Up! text on you occasionally. There is nothing special about it at all.

Do you want to explore the world? Works just as fine at 90.
Do you want to kill different monsters? All available at 90.
What you seem to miss is mission BCNM challenges, which is your own choice. Leveling to 90 is rather counter productive if you want the game to be hard. That is like eating a brew and then complaining that it was easy.

in any MMORPG and or RPG you play, the game as a whole is about the path to AND the end, not just the path, or not just the end.

Makes no sense to argue with a Leech. They are just too much of a Leech.
Hopefully, they will just leave the game after they've leeched all their jobs through the abyss. So, the Leeching will end.
However, this thread-titel is so ridiculous that i won't put anymore effort in this discussion.
And yes, it was my intention to repeat the word "LEECH"(<--).

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Originally Posted by Kailea_Nagisa

in any MMORPG and or RPG you play, the game as a whole is about the path to AND the end, not just the path, or not just the end.

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U can argue that the path involves the mission quest lines...I don't see how smackin pink birds for 20 levels contributes to the "experience" of an RPG. When ppl remember past RPGs they remember the boss battles and storyline...not the random mobs on the way.

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Originally Posted by Ceinwyn

Makes no sense to argue with a Leech. They are just too much of a Leech.
Hopefully, they will just leave the game after they've leeched all their jobs through the abyss. So, the Leeching will end.
However, this thread-titel is so ridiculous that i won't put anymore effort in this discussion.
And yes, it was my intention to repeat the word "LEECH"(<--).

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Leech racism!!!!!! Where would be without leeches? No carbys ruby? No mp drainkiss? Oh the calamity!

Well letting lvl 1s in to abyssea just makes more underskilled lazy people and I know that it bothers me to watch a fellow LS membergo from 30 to 90 in a couple days being level 90 doesnt mean what it should. You have to be level 65+ to get into Dynamis so why not do the same for abyssea or even raise it to 75+

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Originally Posted by Vadreucant

Well letting lvl 1s in to abyssea just makes more underskilled lazy people and I know that it bothers me to watch a fellow LS membergo from 30 to 90 in a couple days being level 90 doesnt mean what it should. You have to be level 65+ to get into Dynamis so why not do the same for abyssea or even raise it to 75+

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Just because dynamis has a restriction everything needs to?
Let there be 65 level restriction on all rank or various other storyline missions, as well for all BCNMs etc. And in every zone with an abyssean maw in it, that means no dunes for anyone below the big boy level.

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Originally Posted by Kailea_Nagisa

in any MMORPG and or RPG you play, the game as a whole is about the path to AND the end, not just the path, or not just the end.

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Again, I didn't know there was only one way to experience a MMORPG.

The path sucks. The end is where I want to be and as quickly as possible. Why do I have to enjoy both again?

Anyway, stop imposing your e-morality on others. No one has to play the game they way you think they should play it. If you want me to play the game the way you want, then pay my monthly subscription.

Otherwise, shut your mouth.

Once again: I am in support of lowering the cap to 1 for Abyssea.

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Originally Posted by Lynchilles

Again, I didn't know there was only one way to experience a MMORPG.

The path sucks. The end is where I want to be and as quickly as possible. Why do I have to enjoy both again?

Anyway, stop imposing your e-morality on others. No one has to play the game they way you think they should play it. If you want me to play the game the way you want, then pay my monthly subscription.

Otherwise, shut your mouth.

Once again: I am in support of lowering the cap to 1 for Abyssea.

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my e-morality? wow people sure like to make things up, your in supprt of lv1 entry to abyssea? so your are in support of the game becoming so easy that it becomes boring and worthless to the point of being shut down?

Anyone who supports the 1lv abyssea cap, fails to realize how much it would hurt the game as a whole, I never told anyone they should be playing a specific way, I am telling people how much abyssea has hurt the game, and that lowering it's access to 1lv could in turn "end" the game.

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Originally Posted by Vadreucant

Well letting lvl 1s in to abyssea just makes more underskilled lazy people and I know that it bothers me to watch a fellow LS membergo from 30 to 90 in a couple days being level 90 doesnt mean what it should. You have to be level 65+ to get into Dynamis so why not do the same for abyssea or even raise it to 75+

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I honestly think that it's one or two people coming in here and repeating the exact same horseshit.

1. Leeching does not make you a bad player. For the umpteenth time. Being a bad player and not doing research on how to play your job makes you a bad player.

2. "being level 90 doesnt mean what it should" What should it mean? Because it looks to me as if you're butthurt because you thought that being level 75, 90 etc. meant something, when it never did. All it means is that you are at cap, hurray, that doesn't make you better than anybody else.

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Originally Posted by Kailea_Nagisa

my e-morality? wow people sure like to make things up, your in supprt of lv1 entry to abyssea? so your are in support of the game becoming so easy that it becomes boring and worthless to the point of being shut down?

Anyone who supports the 1lv abyssea cap, fails to realize how much it would hurt the game as a whole, I never told anyone they should be playing a specific way, I am telling people how much abyssea has hurt the game, and that lowering it's access to 1lv could in turn "end" the game.

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I totally agree with you there. Why make this game so easy if you are so lazy that you dont want to work on anyhting at all then you need to find a different game ot play.

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Originally Posted by Vadreucant

I totally agree with you there. Why make this game so easy if you are so lazy that you dont want to work on anyhting at all then you need to find a different game ot play.

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You're implying the only thing to do in the game worthwhile is leveling. Again, baseless argument.

it doesnt matter how you get to 90 to be honest, as long as you put the effort to catch up to everyone then it doesnt matter >.>

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Originally Posted by Kuishen

I honestly think that it's one or two people coming in here and repeating the exact same horseshit.

1. Leeching does not make you a bad player. For the umpteenth time. Being a bad player and not doing research on how to play your job makes you a bad player.

2. "being level 90 doesnt mean what it should" What should it mean? Because it looks to me as if you're butthurt because you thought that being level 75, 90 etc. meant something, when it never did. All it means is that you are at cap, hurray, that doesn't make you better than anybody else.

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ok I didnt say it made you better or worse than anyone being level 90 all I meant was it showed you were willing to take the time to actually do something with your character and leeching does not make you a bad player either but dont bitch when you cant hit anything. underskilled jobs are just as bad as underleveled jobs.

Leveling is not part of this game anymore. It hasn't been since abyssea came out. Thus make it a lot easier so everyone can enjoy the game at the level cap.

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Originally Posted by Kailea_Nagisa

my e-morality? wow people sure like to make things up, your in supprt of lv1 entry to abyssea? so your are in support of the game becoming so easy that it becomes boring and worthless to the point of being shut down?

Anyone who supports the 1lv abyssea cap, fails to realize how much it would hurt the game as a whole, I never told anyone they should be playing a specific way, I am telling people how much abyssea has hurt the game, and that lowering it's access to 1lv could in turn "end" the game.

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Seriously, do you have any grasp on logical reasoning whatsoever?

The game already is easy. The game has been easy for years.

If there is anything "hard" about this game, it is the amount of time it takes to acomplish something.

This is what I get for arguing with someone with such a heavy dependence on inductive reasoning.

I will try to convey what I mean in the simplest terms possible:

What you think is "fun" and "enjoyable" in a video game is NOT what everyone else might think is "fun" and "enjoyable" in a video game

meh i say leave cap, at least work for it a little and the damage is alrdy done ppl alrdy leeched and have jobs to 90 and have no clue how to play the job. why bother enless you feel board that you have to leech to feel like your the greatest Leech i mean player there is in the game. if you know you are usefull at lvl 70+ then go in at 70 if you wana leech then leech and SE might as well take it to lvl 1. just my 2cents ^.~

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Originally Posted by Vadreucant

ok I didnt say it made you better or worse than anyone being level 90 all I meant was it showed you were willing to take the time to actually do something with your character and leeching does not make you a bad player either but dont bitch when you cant hit anything. underskilled jobs are just as bad as underleveled jobs.

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Cause skilling up is hard. Do you even read your posts before you make them? Because honestly you have absolutely no argument here. I'm still convinced you're just butthurt because you thought level 75 or 90 was an accomplishment.

It doesn't exactly take that long to level from 1 to level 30, especially with the exp increase. Can people really complain that it takes too long to level from 1 to 30? It's difficult to find a level 30+ party, a lot of my invites are for Qufim and Abyssea. If I want to party elsewhere, it's harder to find a party. But I'm happy that if I need exp, I can get a party without leeching without too much trouble, even if means I have to start one myself. Level 1+ Abyssea leeches would change that. Personally I hate leeching, a friend encouraged me to check out Abyssea in his party even though my job was capped at 60 (so I was just receiving cruor) and I was bored. I felt more comfortable taking Scholar from level 50 to 70 because a friend was in desperate need of another healer and found that whilst I wasn't the best possible healer, I was at least useful, even though I would have prefered a non-Aby party. Sure it took me a 9 hour session to go from 40 to 50 and would take a lot longer to go from 50 to 70, when it only took 3 hours in Abyssea. Getting to level 50 to 70 in any other Final Fantasy game wouldn't take 3 hours, it also takes longer, not as long as a FFXI outside of Aby. I just don't want parties to be hurt by Abyssea. So I don't like the idea of having Abyssea to have no level restrictions. I don't mind people leeching in Aby as level 30+, as I said, it doesn't take long to get to level 30, it doesn't spoil grinding for everybody else and those in Aby, at least play their job before hitting Aby.

Down with Abyssea.

just pure lazyness. just say i just bought this game hit lvl 30 in 2 days thinking this game is great then enter abyssea and get to lvl 32 and fall alseep wake up and i was lvl 75 :). yes thats what all leecher want thats why you all complaining because you can lvl up in your sleep, wake up and start doing it your self. and b4 ppl start say you need a key person well BRD COR can do that easy inbetween there buffs. i know you wana lvl fast but what bout all the other zones like 30+ zones just empty and why is that. i like walking tho caedarva mire and seeing a party wiped and having to raise them or just help them out. now i walk tho just 2 people doing trials and i cant avoid the imps so i will die with out anyone in the zone with a raise. not to say i cant kill imp at lvl 90 but it happens. if the cap was raised to 75+ these zones would be full again less stress on abyssea servers 10 zones and people will know what there job can do if they really lvl it instead of skiping lvls. i could say alot like what is refresh do you even have it yet. there responce whats that or whats it do or why do i need it for lmao gezzzz. yea high lvls are lvling there job so may know but if you dont earn the right to be a top player why are you a top player, hit 90 lvl no gear cos you just lvled just a excuse to make the game real easy for lazy people. and if SE keeps the cap where it is might aswell shut down all the other zones cos they are dead because of this. no challange just pure lazyness...

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Originally Posted by tanng

just pure lazyness. just say i just bought this game hit lvl 30 in 2 days thinking this game is great then enter abyssea and get to lvl 32 and fall alseep wake up and i was lvl 75 :). yes thats what all leecher want thats why you all complaining because you can lvl up in your sleep, wake up and start doing it your self. and b4 ppl start say you need a key person well BRD COR can do that easy inbetween there buffs. i know you wana lvl fast but what bout all the other zones like 30+ zones just empty and why is that. i like walking tho caedarva mire and seeing a party wiped and having to raise them or just help them out. now i walk tho just 2 people doing trials and i cant avoid the imps so i will die with out anyone in the zone with a raise. not to say i cant kill imp at lvl 90 but it happens. if the cap was raised to 75+ these zones would be full again less stress on abyssea servers 10 zones and people will know what there job can do if they really lvl it instead of skiping lvls. i could say alot like what is refresh do you even have it yet. there responce whats that or whats it do or why do i need it for lmao gezzzz. yea high lvls are lvling there job so may know but if you dont earn the right to be a top player why are you a top player, hit 90 lvl no gear cos you just lvled just a excuse to make the game real easy for lazy people. and if SE keeps the cap where it is might aswell shut down all the other zones cos they are dead because of this. no challange just pure lazyness...

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There are multiple things wrong with your logic, I will try my best to hit them all.

Abyssea did not make the majority of zones in the game empty, level sync did. Level sync reduced people to partying in only 4 zones (Eron[S], bhaf thickets, waj woodlands, korroloka tunnel). Right now, people exp in more zones (9 abyssea zones) than people have since level sync was introduced.

Leveling quickly to 90 has nothing to do with badly geared players. Gear that you would use while leveling means nothing at 90, even the majority of 75 gear is obsolete at 90.

Leveling is not a challenge and it never was, it was simply tedious. It was never even an accomplishment. Anyone who tells you otherwise is an idiot.

Caederva mire is empty because it sucks. Caederva mire was empty long before abyssea was created. You not being able to avoid imps sounds like a personal problem, not the cause of abyssea.

Leveling jobs the old way does not teach you how to play the job for endgame, where the game really matters. It only teaches you how to play it in exp parties.

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Originally Posted by Ramsos

There are multiple things wrong with your logic, I will try my best to hit them all.

Abyssea did not make the majority of zones in the game empty, level sync did. Level sync reduced people to partying in only 4 zones (Eron[S], bhaf thickets, waj woodlands, korroloka tunnel). Right now, people exp in more zones (9 abyssea zones) than people have since level sync was introduced.

Leveling quickly to 90 has nothing to do with badly geared players. Gear that you would use while leveling means nothing at 90, even the majority of 75 gear is obsolete at 90.

Leveling is not a challenge and it never was, it was simply tedious. It was never even an accomplishment. Anyone who tells you otherwise is an idiot.

Caederva mire is empty because it sucks. Caederva mire was empty long before abyssea was created. You not being able to avoid imps sounds like a personal problem, not the cause of abyssea.

Leveling jobs the old way does not teach you how to play the job for endgame, where the game really matters. It only teaches you how to play it in exp parties.

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just avoiding the question why is having lvl 30 cap on abyssea so good then if you so clever ? and there is 10 abyssea zones 10th zone is the final boss zone.

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Originally Posted by tanng

just avoiding the question why is having lvl 30 cap on abyssea so good then if you so clever ? and there is 10 abyssea zones 10th zone is the final boss zone.

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You cant exp in the final zone, why would I count it in a discussion about exp.

How am I avoiding the question? I just posted multiple reasons why the level 30 cap is fine. If 30 is fine then 1 is fine, I dont see why so many people are crying over this. If you dont want to exp with leeches, then make pts outside abyssea.

And before you start crying about not being able to find people who want to exp outside abyssea, maybe you should look in the mirror and realize that "you" are the problem for not embracing what the majority of the playerbase already accepts.

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Originally Posted by Ramsos

You cant exp in the final zone, why would I count it in a discussion about exp.

How am I avoiding the question? I just posted multiple reasons why the level 30 cap is fine. If 30 is fine then 1 is fine, I dont see why so many people are crying over this. If you dont want to exp with leeches, then make pts outside abyssea.

And before you start crying about not being able to find people who want to exp outside abyssea, maybe you should look in the mirror and realize that "you" are the problem for not embracing what the majority of the playerbase already accepts.

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you just not saying it right, lots of people lvled there jobs to 75 before abyssea and it took them weeks not hours and now that people can level up real easy and that and rush the game, i myself feel let down because yes i like lvling fast but it comes at a big cost where is the longtime earned game play, i even thought bout quiting again cos i got it all in less than a month. now what i am goner do lvl a job i do not want or help ls or even just sit in jeuno like everyone else cos they bored and just need that one mission, yea rasie the cap get people doing stuff not just standing there lagging it up.
and before you try get all wound up bout people and there differences think bout what you are saying and not try and get angry you really dont want me to start on you so dont even try it with me. this is a debate not a cursing match grow up.

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Originally Posted by tanng

you just not saying it right, lots of people lvled there jobs to 75 before abyssea and it took them weeks not hours and now that people can level up real easy and that and rush the game, i myself feel let down because yes i like lvling fast but it comes at a big cost where is the longtime earned game play, i even thought bout quiting again cos i got it all in less than a month. now what i am goner do lvl a job i do not want or help ls or even just sit in jeuno like everyone else cos they bored and just need that one mission, yea rasie the cap get people doing stuff not just standing there lagging it up.
and before you try get all wound up bout people and there differences think bout what you are saying and not try and get angry you really dont want me to start on you so dont even try it with me. this is a debate not a cursing match grow up.

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Since you are being alot more civil than others which support your views, ill be nice.

Leveling jobs is a minor aspect of the game. FFXI really begins after you reach the level cap. If you are bored, find a linkshell that does stuff. Abyssea is not the end of the game, its more midgame content than endgame. SE has already started working on its older endgame content so it is viable at our new levels. Forcing people to level slower is not the answer. There is alot to do in abyssea, if you take your time to enjoy it then you are satisfied for now. If ffxi is your whole life and you treat it like a job, you will just blow through it quickly and then obviously you are gonna have nothing to do untill new stuff is added. As I said, abyssea is midgame content, its not supposed to sustain the playerbase forever like some of the older endgame events were intended for.

Here is an analogy for my point. Garrison is an example of a midgame event. People did garrison when that was the average level of the playerbase. If you just did garrison all day every day, you would cap out on whatever garrison had and would be bored untill new content was added. Abyssea is the same thing. It is midgame content intended for level 90. The level cap being at 30 is intended so people can experience abyssea faster.

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Originally Posted by Ramsos

Since you are being alot more civil than others which support your views, ill be nice.

Leveling jobs is a minor aspect of the game. FFXI really begins after you reach the level cap. If you are bored, find a linkshell that does stuff. Abyssea is not the end of the game, its more midgame content than endgame. SE has already started working on its older endgame content so it is viable at our new levels. Forcing people to level slower is not the answer. There is alot to do in abyssea, if you take your time to enjoy it then you are satisfied for now. If ffxi is your whole life and you treat it like a job, you will just blow through it quickly and then obviously you are gonna have nothing to do untill new stuff is added. As I said, abyssea is midgame content, its not supposed to sustain the playerbase forever like some of the older endgame events were intended for.



Here is an analogy for my point. Garrison is an example of a midgame event. People did garrison when that was the average level of the playerbase. If you just did garrison all day every day, you would cap out on whatever garrison had and would be bored untill new content was added. Abyssea is the same thing. It is midgame content intended for level 90. The level cap being at 30 is intended so people can experience abyssea faster.

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interesting and true if the cap stayed at 30 people can jump to end game faster and if the cap raised they would have to do that much more to get there. but i still think the longness of the game is getting hurt even i dont play all day and still get great results but i am saying that i want something more to come back to not just lvl up and hit end game. some people find good ls but some dont or they full. so mayb this is more to push on we need more content because people get bored when they are done. i say abyssea was a bit too fast and thats why people think that this cap need raiseing like myself to give the game more time to grow or make new content.

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Originally Posted by tanng

interesting and true if the cap stayed at 30 people can jump to end game faster and if the cap raised they would have to do that much more to get there. but i still think the longness of the game is getting hurt even i dont play all day and still get great results but i am saying that i want something more to come back to not just lvl up and hit end game. some people find good ls but some dont or they full. so mayb this is more to push on we need more content because people get bored when they are done. i say abyssea was a bit too fast and thats why people think that this cap need raiseing like myself to give the game more time to grow or make new content.

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I agree 100% that abyssea content is very easy to blow through quickly. But I believe that right now is a holding pattern for ffxi. SE is gonna either add true endgame content at 99 or they are gonna update old events. I hated grinding exp the old way. I had no intention of ever leveling another job (I did 8 to 75 before level sync and one more after), but now I'm considering doing more jobs. Personally I like the way abyssea is now, I like having the option to level a new job quickly if my shell starts to have a shortage of a certain key job. If the cap was raised, this option wouldnt be as readily available.

The problem with the low cap is the other areas are not being used. Imo they should raise the cap. My first 3 jobs where done the hardway by leveling in crawlers nest and yhoater jungle and bhaflau thickets ect. Going to 30 then aby is just lame. It takes away from ff what made it good. U need to earn ur levels least ur first one. Raise the cap Yo.