What new Jug Pets would you like to see 91-99?

SE: We'll have a fair vote... then we'll implement the hippogryph!

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Originally Posted by Camate

For those of you who voted for scorpion, I understand your disappointment. However, please realize that though this was the number one pick for EN players, this selection was based off of all regions. Also, please keep in mind that the dev. team needs to consider all aspects of potential implementation and therefore has to make the final call themselves.

Trust me when I say that your feedback is not a waste of time and you are not being ignored. I make sure that your opinions are properly conveyed to the development as best as I can and I continue to work with them, following up when necessary, to bring them updates and any new suggestions you have.

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Camate I appreciate the work you do on these forum's, and your repeated efforts to convey our wishes while keeping us informed. I certainly find no fault with you in this situation that has developed, and I understand the delicate position you've been placed in.

However that being said. This response (which undoubtedly was either crafted by a senior member or at the very least heavily proofread/steered by such) is sorely lacking in the explanation department. Without rehashing all the details that have been discussed in this thread, and the other one the "this selection was based off of all regions" is simply unacceptable.

I've been playing this game a long time. I'll be perfectly honest I love the game. It's the first, and the last MMO I have played. I have watched many friends leave the game over the years. Exponentially more since the release of Abyssea, and the subsequent level cap increases. I try hard to promote the game to new players, and especially to try, and win back veterans who have departed.

To put it bluntly this situation really takes the wind out of my sails in regards to those efforts, and causes me to reevaluate my own commitment to the franchise. As many have stated over the last few days this unpleasant feeling transcends a single call made on a jug pet.

SE seems to use an electoral college system, where 1 persons vote doesn't matter, the forum itself gets 1 vote based on the voters within.

With this being said, unless SE can easily see which you belong to, or if you've voted before, vote in every forum next time to help sway the election.

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Originally Posted by Sasaraixx

The problem is that you are being stubborn to the point of being childlike. You tell me to look at context but you are completely unable to do so. I've already told you that no where in any of Camate or Mocchi's posts did they say that the pet with the most number of votes would be selected. You cling onto this fourth place ranking like it proves something. It doesn't.

You then hear that the hippo was the winner on the German forum as well and you still don't seem to care. Since numbers seem to matter so much to you, here are two for you: 2 to 1. That is the report that was probably sent by community reps. The dev team didn't know/care that scorpion had 44 votes or however many you think it did. They only know that the hippo was the clear winner in 2 of the 3 forums. End of story.

I also told you that the dev team had other considerations when they made the decision and that your feedback (which is all it was. Feedback.) was considered among them. What did Camate tell you? The exact same thing.

And I've already asked why you continue to rant and complain about favoritism for the Japanese players in a Japanese game that is played primarily by Japanese if you really think that is the case. It's actually a bit ironic because you wanted the dev team to base their decisions on the most votes cast, but are upset because you think they are playing favorites to the largest player base.

If you want to continue to be upset about something that I really think you shouldn't be then that is your prerogative. I was just trying to help you see the bigger picture but you have decided that you are mad and you want to stay mad. Have fun with that. I can only watch a person bang their head against a wall for so long.

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There's nothing going on here that I don't understand, I guess you and I see the situation differently but I really don't think you have much room to call me stubborn when nearly every single person here (and even outside of the thread) sees it as a problem and you refuse to see it in that light.

To me, forty-something votes to twenty-something votes means the former wins. When the overall vote has three choices above Hippogryph, but we get the Hippogryph (which Japanese posters happened to favor) I see a problem.

Unlike you, I'm going to assume that the Hippogryph implementation was not random and did indeed reflect the community's feedback. I don't think there's anything stubborn about recognizing the obvious. I assume you agree that the votes did matter, even though you argue both sides.

Now, unraveling your logic a bit and assuming that the vote matters (which you seem to jump back and forth on while arguing contradicting 'points'), let's examine the reason(s) why Hippogryph was chosen:

I don't care if there were 200 separate national forums and 199 of them ended up voting in favor of Hippogryph, player choice depends on players not their language or country of origin. Otherwise, you're saying their votes count more than ours.

You call me stubborn for considering overall votes, yet in order to support your argument you pretend like the Hippogryph won 2:1 because five Germans voted for it (despite losing terribly overall). According to your logic, if I had gone to the French forum and voted for Scorpion and that was the only vote in the entire thread- it'd be tied! 2-2! I can actually speak French, too...wish I had known. That kind of logic is absolutely ridiculous, and to work behind that and then call me stubborn is ironic as hell.


Feedback is feedback, but why was it handled the way that it was? There's a Japanese Hippogryph staring you in the face that you don't seem to want to consider. You say the votes didn't really matter, or that they were considered but at the end it was the development team's decision- but why that decision? Why the Japanese favorite and not the three others that had more votes?

You're trying but still failing. I never said that your votes didn't matter. I said that you are too fixated by the tally when no where did anyone ever tell you that the pet with the most number of votes would be implemented. That was an assumption you made and you're basing your entire argument on it.

Also, never once did I say the choice of the hippo was random. That was something else created in your mind. The developers chose that pet based on the feedback from all of the forums AND their own plans.

There is nothing contradictory about anything that I've said. You just keep screaming about 44 votes and that only the Japanese forum matters. There are plenty of other considerations that go into decisions like this but you are blatantly ignoring them.

And even if I were to believe your theory behind all of this, I would still think that you are being ridiculous. Japanese game, Japanese development team, Japanese player base - you really have no reason to be angry.

Ugh. That is what I get for posting from my phone. I will edit and finish this later. My apologies.

Sasaraixx, it was implied. They didn't have to come right out and say it. They said enough for a reasonable person to understand it as that, vote, that one wins. If it wasn't, then it is just another case of poor communication from SE's part.

They said here is a list of pets the development team are willing to implement, please tell us which one you would like to see. Now in that, yes, there isn't enough to make that assumption. But then they started talking about voting and tallying up the votes. It is implied that if you vote for something then the winning vote wins. You don't have be direct.

They implied, and almost everyone but you seemed understood that as the purpose of their post. I am not going to say you are straight out wrong, because you are not technically, but that is what there intent was, winning vote would implemented. Even the recent post from them proves that was their intent.

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Originally Posted by Sasaraixx

You're trying buts still failing. I never said that your votes didn't matter. I said that you are to fixated by the tally when no where did anyone ever tell you that the pet with the most number of votes would be implemented. That wad an assumption you made and your basing your entire argument on it.

Also, never once did I say the choice of the hippo was random. That was something else created in your mind. The developers chose that pet based on the feedback from all of the forums AND thet own plans.

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Originally Posted by Selzak

Feedback is feedback, but why was it handled the way that it was? There's a Japanese Hippogryph staring you in the face that you don't seem to want to consider. You say the votes didn't really matter, or that they were considered but at the end it was the development team's decision- but why that decision? Why the Japanese favorite and not the three others that had more votes?

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I'm trying but failing what, exactly? You've done nothing but circle around the issue and tell us to get out of the center.

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Originally Posted by Sasaraixx

You're trying buts still failing. I never said that your votes didn't matter. I said that you are to fixated by the tally when no where did anyone ever tell you that the pet with the most number of votes would be implemented. That wad an assumption you made and your basing your entire argument on it.

Also, never once did I say the choice of the hippo was random. That was something else created in your mind. The developers chose that pet based on the feedback from all of the forums AND thet own plans.

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Notice that they didn't say "We are conducting a poll, please tell us what your favorite animal is."

But they did say "Tell us what jug pet you would like to see implimented"
and then " And... based on your feedback!...................Hippogryph"

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Originally Posted by xbobx

Sasaraixx, it was implied. They didn't have to come right out and say it. They said enough for a reasonable person to understand it as that, vote, that one wins. If it wasn't, then it is just another case of poor communication from SE's part.

They said here is a list of pets the development team are willing to implement, please tell us which one you would like to see. Now in that, yes, there isn't enough to make that assumption. But then they started talking about voting and tallying up the votes. It is implied that if you vote for something then the winning vote wins. You don't have be direct.

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I would think that a reasonable person who has played this game for as long as we have would have known better than to imply anything. Knowing the way the development team operates and all of the other things they take into consideration before they make any decision, I viewed this purely as a way of getting feedback to help make their decision. And from where I sit that looks exactly what happened.

Now I will cut you some slack because I assume you weren't following the JP thread as well. If you read the Japanese posts about this you would see that there was no mention of voting or tallying votes. Mocchi simply asked the posters to let them know which pet from the list below they would like implemented. There were no subsequent posts about which pet was winning or needing to choose between only two. In fact, they had not heard anything since Mocchi's post listing the group of pets being considered.

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Originally Posted by xbobx

They implied, and almost everyone but you seemed understood that as the purpose of their post. I am not going to say you are straight out wrong, because you are not technically, but that is what there intent was, winning vote would implemented. Even the recent post from them proves that was their intent.

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Actually, it doesn't. All Camate said was that the selection was based on all regions. He also said that the development team has to look at all aspects of any implementation and make the final call themselves. I don't see how you read that to say what you are claiming.

The jp vote the NA voted the Germans voted and the French voted.

Hippo,Scorp,Hippo,Nothing

2 Hippo
1 Scorp
1 Nothing

Kinda easy to see what won.

And Hippo was included in the original big list. Our vote just got narrowed down in the end leaving it out.

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Originally Posted by Rennix

The jp vote the NA voted the Germans voted and the French voted.

Hippo,Scorp,Hippo,Nothing

2 Hippo
1 Scorp
1 Nothing

Kinda easy to see what won.

And Hippo was included in the original big list. Our vote just got narrowed down in the end leaving it out.

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Two things..

1. That's not what they said. If so they've gone completely how they wanted too because you don't do poll votes that way.

2. I love that people that play the game are arguing in defense of a company who asks people to vote, takes their money then completely ignores the majority of voters.

It's easy. Scorp = fail. Hippo = awsome. The right choice was made.

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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

It's easy. Scorp = fail. Hippo = awsome. The right choice was made.

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Wow.... I'm breaking my own rule by replying to you...
I have no intent to carry a conversation, but sometimes you just have to slap something down when it is this blatantly... fail.

You have ZERO credibility. You are only consistent in shortsightedness and self-interest, and loud-mouthedness.

Tsukino_kaji = fail.

So if SE isn't playing the bias game that means they got all democracy on our ass because I'm not about to entertain the idea that they had a vote just 'cause. They better not be eff'n wasting more of my dollars every month by paying reps to post bogus polls. Anyways, is it so bad to let the majority vote get the nod? Grats everyone here, we got hippo 'cause the other regions handful of BSTs voted for it thereby making our vote n/a.

Now on we need to vote in the JP forums with our messed up google translations, and they'll all be like wtf is going on here NA invasion for reals and we'll be all like hi guys and I don't know.

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Originally Posted by Camate

For those of you who voted for scorpion, I understand your disappointment. However, please realize that though this was the number one pick for EN players, this selection was based off of all regions. Also, please keep in mind that the dev. team needs to consider all aspects of potential implementation and therefore has to make the final call themselves.

Trust me when I say that your feedback is not a waste of time and you are not being ignored. I make sure that your opinions are properly conveyed to the development as best as I can and I continue to work with them, following up when necessary, to bring them updates and any new suggestions you have.

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Just give us the top 5 most voted jugs, that would make about 98% of us happy

"Just give us the top 5 most voted jugs, that would make about 98% of us happy "

And 4 of those 5 jugs they will make sure cost 200k a stack, where the hippo costs 5k

I'm no BST, just popping in here.

Regardless of whether or not the vote was fair I have a different consideration and question.

If you are going to implement high level jugs and people requested Hippogryph partly for need of an Avian and Scorpion partly for need of a Vermin, and you were already planning to add Apkallu, why choose Hippogryph at all?

Are Apkallu Aquans? Is the voting 'one vote per region'? Are we all really that stupid? Something got lost somewhere in the data. Perhaps only the preferences of level 90+ BST were actually counted for voting?

Anyways, my other question, to the BSTs out there, in all seriousness because I would like to learn more about your job and how this will affect you, is thus...

"What use is an Apkallu, really?"

That was my other concern, I have a limited understanding of what BST look for in jugs and so I currently see it as 'everything an Apkallu does can be done better by far already'. Except perhaps that it is a MNK...?

Can anyone enlighten me as to the usefulness of an Apkallu Jug IF we assume that they have no special, hitherto unknown abilities?

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Originally Posted by Risae

I'm no BST, just popping in here.

Regardless of whether or not the vote was fair I have a different consideration and question.

If you are going to implement high level jugs and people requested Hippogryph partly for need of an Avian and Scorpion partly for need of a Vermin, and you were already planning to add Apkallu, why choose Hippogryph at all?

Are Apkallu Aquans? Is the voting 'one vote per region'? Are we all really that stupid? Something got lost somewhere in the data. Perhaps only the preferences of level 90+ BST were actually counted for voting?

Anyways, my other question, to the BSTs out there, in all seriousness because I would like to learn more about your job and how this will affect you, is thus...

"What use is an Apkallu, really?"

That was my other concern, I have a limited understanding of what BST look for in jugs and so I currently see it as 'everything an Apkallu does can be done better by far already'. Except perhaps that it is a MNK...?

Can anyone enlighten me as to the usefulness of an Apkallu Jug IF we assume that they have no special, hitherto unknown abilities?

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short answer: WE don't know yet.

We don't know if apkallu will be any good. At this point is just interesting because its an avian, and its a pet we could never use before.

Nazuna is level capped at 86. So an apkallu gives us back a light-based AoE sleep without the use of Beast Affinity merits.

Otherwise the abilities and traits appear pretty much the same as what we've seen in other things. It really depends on how strong SE lets the REady moves be.

For example: Lulush's foot kick is a crit hit, which means atma make this one of the rare worthwhile ready moves for damage. It goes along w/ our other dd atma. Broncha has very similiar dd ready moves to lulush, but they are not as effective. (even though I've gotten a 1500 damage nimble snap before in nyzul... that really just level bonus and beast correlation).

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Originally Posted by Daniel_Hatcher

Two things..

1. That's not what they said. If so they've gone completely how they wanted too because you don't do poll votes that way.

2. I love that people that play the game are arguing in defense of a company who asks people to vote, takes their money then completely ignores the majority of voters.

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They did have a poll vote for each region lol then they took the popular pet from those polls and we got hippo coming our way.

Its like voting for a president or PM just because one state or province has more people doesnt mean they have a bigger vote.

Even in an election you can poll an area to see who they like, but just because one area likes this person more doesnt mean they are going to get voted in. It doesnt include everyones vote. Same thing happened here. All regions got polled, all the polls got sent to the devlopers, the popular vote won out of the regions. Now you guys are mad cause your candidate didnt win. Tough.

Now if i were to entertain your argument and say that they are favoring the JP over us, you have to remember that this is a JP originated game, plus the jp has a higher player base then us. Of course they are going to cater to them. It'd be stupid not to.

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Originally Posted by Rennix

They did have a poll vote for each region lol then they took the popular pet from those polls and we got hippo coming our way.

Its like voting for a president or PM just because one state or province has more people doesnt mean they have a bigger vote.

Even in an election you can poll an area to see who they like, but just because one area likes this person more doesnt mean they are going to get voted in. It doesnt include everyones vote. Same thing happened here. All regions got polled, all the polls got sent to the devlopers, the popular vote won out of the regions. Now you guys are mad cause your candidate didnt win. Tough.

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Imagine the amount of crap that would have to go wrong for a politician to have over double the votes of the opponent and still lose.

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Now if i were to entertain your argument and say that they are favoring the JP over us, you have to remember that this is a JP originated game, plus the jp has a higher player base then us. Of course they are going to cater to them. It'd be stupid not to.

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also this just in: it's OK to be racist against your customers now because you make the product.....

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Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

Imagine the amount of crap that would have to go wrong for a politician to have over double the votes of the opponent and still lose.

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Just because we have more people come to this forum doesnt me we should have more say.

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also this just in: it's OK to be racist against your customers now because you make the product.....

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If you are going to get more money from them in the long run, then why not?

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Originally Posted by Rennix

If you are going to get more money from them in the long run, then why not?

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lol I got trolled. OK, now crawl back under your rock.

and you just did it twice guess we are even.

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Originally Posted by Rennix

Just because we have more people come to this forum doesnt me we should have more say.

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actually it does.

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Originally Posted by Rennix

If you are going to get more money from them in the long run, then why not?

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because you can get the same amount of money without being a racist tool, and they would be none the wiser.

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Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

actually it does.

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Beacuse you say so? I dont think so. We would have got scorpion if this was true.

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because you can get the same amount of money without being a racist tool, and they would be none the wiser.

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I can agree with this, but I really don't think SE is being racist. People are just looking at this the wrong way unfortunately.

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lol I got trolled. OK, now crawl back under your rock.lol I got trolled.

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Out of curiosity why did you say this? Was it because of my low post count? That would kind of put me and the JP in the same boat if you think about it.

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Originally Posted by Rennix

Beacuse you say so? I dont think so. We would have got scorpion if this was true.






I can agree with this, but I really don't think SE is being racist. People are just looking at this the wrong way unfortunately.



Out of curiosity why did you say this? Was it because of my low post count? That would kind of put me and the JP in the same boat if you think about it.

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Because you said it was fine to be racist, which means you are probably just posting here to piss people off.

now that you mention it.... The fact that we voted more means we should have more say. In most elections, the people who don't vote at all are the majority. Do you really believe that means no one should get voted in? should we just have empty offices at our government buildings? or do you think that just maybe the standard method of electing the person with the most actual votes is the best method?

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Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

Because you said it was fine to be racist, which means you are probably just posting here to piss people off.

now that you mention it.... The fact that we voted more means we should have more say. In most elections, the people who don't vote at all are the majority. Do you really believe that means no one should get voted in? should we just have empty offices at our government buildings? or do you think that just maybe the standard method of electing the person with the most actual votes is the best method?

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I never said it was fine to be racist at all, but from a business stand point if the jp are giving me more money then im going to make sure they are happy.

Also you said i was trolling you, not the whole board so I just thought you might have made it personal that's all.

If you go back to Calmates post he said it was a Regional vote, not a NA only vote. So more votes in one region doesnt matter at all. Your saying it does doesn't make it true either. IT WAS POPULAR REGION VOTE, NOT POPULAR NA VOTE. OUR REGION LOST.
Your example of people not voting and someone not getting in or whatever doesnt make sense really. Regardless if someone votes or not someone will always get in.

When did SE every state that the vote would decide the new jug?

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Originally Posted by Xilk

Wow.... I'm breaking my own rule by replying to you...
I have no intent to carry a conversation, but sometimes you just have to slap something down when it is this blatantly... fail.

You have ZERO credibility. You are only consistent in shortsightedness and self-interest, and loud-mouthedness.

Tsukino_kaji = fail.

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Oh please, by all means. Do tell what makes your little scorpion so good? A para breath that would more then likely be removed in favor of the bind one? An attack boost that'll probably wear off before you can make use of it on the next WS? It's not my fault you feel hurt and ignored because you didn't get what YOU wanted. You don't have to take it out on me because I side with the right choice. You're going out of your way to stubornly deny any and all merit that a hippogryph has because you wanted another bug. You don't beed anotehr big. You need to come to the realization that the game has changed and a scorpion belongs back at 75.

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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

You don't beed anotehr big.

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You were doing so good too!!! Almost made it through an entire paragraph w/o a spelling error which would be a supreme achievement for you.

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Originally Posted by Zaknafein

You were doing so good too!!! Almost made it through an entire paragraph w/o a spelling error which would be a supreme achievement for you.

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My fingers get ahead of themselves too often for thier own good. ; ;
The hot chick sitting next to me, helping me cheat on my typing tests in high school probably didn't help me much either. lol

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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

When did SE every state that the vote would decide the new jug?

Oh please, by all means. Do tell what makes your little scorpion so good? A para breath that would more then likely be removed in favor of the bind one? An attack boost that'll probably wear off before you can make use of it on the next WS? It's not my fault you feel hurt and ignored because you didn't get what YOU wanted. You don't have to take it out on me because I side with the right choice. You're going out of your way to stubornly deny any and all merit that a hippogryph has because you wanted another bug. You don't beed anotehr big. You need to come to the realization that the game has changed and a scorpion belongs back at 75.

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I agree that the hippo will likely be a great pet. But you are just being unrelentingly stubborn with the assumption that the scorpion would have been a bad pet, and have all its tp moves nerfed.

So out if curiosity. If they did make a scorpion jug whose tp moves are equivalent to its wild counterpart, and didn't have unreasonably high charge requirements, how you fell about it?

Even back in charm days I found scorps to be a usless pet. If they gave it 1000 needles, then you'd have something. You can call it bias if you want. It's fair to do so. People are so sure that the hippogryph moves will be nerfed without acknowledging the fact that the scorp moves would be. A scorping jug will end up being another fly without summersault(Yes SE, we all hate you for that.). But still I have to ask, what makes the scorp so much betetr in people's minds?

Back to the note of voting, what it seems that people are missing is that all the votes from here don't equal what ever their combinded tally was. That tally equals 1. As did the tallies from the other forums and as someone else said, hippo got the hiest at 2.

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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

Even back in charm days I found scorps to be a usless pet. If they gave it 1000 needles, then you'd have something. You can call it bias if you want. It's fair to do so. People are so sure that the hippogryph moves will be nerfed without acknowledging the fact that the scorp moves would be. A scorping jug will end up being another fly without summersault(Yes SE, we all hate you for that.). But still I have to ask, what makes the scorp so much betetr in people's minds?

Back to the note of voting, what it seems that people are missing is that all the votes from here don't equal what ever their combinded tally was. That tally equals 1. As did the tallies from the other forums and as someone else said, hippo got the hiest at 2.

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Good stuff. With an explanation of your mindset I can now value your opinion ^^. Now as for why some people think scorpion is better. I would assume the scorpion appeals as a great dd pet with the tp moves still intact. I can remember back at the 75 cap my charmed scorpion death scissored for 2k on a VT mob(to be fair they where both VT). That kind of thing stuck with me and that's what appeals to me about the scorp. But the utility of the hippo beats out the scorp imo. So i'm not that upset about not getting one.

Someone needs to google electoral college. A states with more people in it does get more votes.

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Originally Posted by Rennix

Its like voting for a president or PM just because one state or province has more people doesnt mean they have a bigger vote.

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I agree with what you're saying, but this part isn't true. At least it isn't in the US. Whether you like or hate the electoral college system in the US, states with a larger population do get more electoral votes and those are what determine the winner. (Ask Al Gore!) Winning the state of California is a much bigger deal than winning Wyoming. It is also possible that someone could win the popular vote but still lose the election. (Ask Al Gore!)

But I do agree with you. There are so many reasons why the hippo was chosen other then "The dev team doesn't care about the NA forum" but I've given up trying to convince these folks.

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Originally Posted by Sasaraixx

I agree with what you're saying, but this part isn't true. At least it isn't in the US. Whether you like or hate the electoral college system in the US, states with a larger population do get more electoral votes and those are what determine the winner. (Ask Al Gore!) Winning the state of California is a much bigger deal than winning Wyoming. It is also possible that someone could win the popular vote but still lose the election. (Ask Al Gore!)

But I do agree with you. There are so many reasons why the hippo was chosen other then "The dev team doesn't care about the NA forum" but I've given up trying to convince these folks.

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Sorry bad example, I'm not from the US. Thanks for the correction.

Lets try this maybe. If Insaniac and I were to vote on something just the two of us, would he get more say then I because he has triple my post count? I don't think so. Should the NA people have more say then the other regions cause we have more people come to this forum and post then they do? I don't think so.

The point is we aren't in the US, all regions have a fair say on this forum no matter how many people they have in their particular region and simply that's the way it is. That's the way this vote was ran. Get over it.

If the devs were to tell you this was a regional vote before hand, then I wonder how many of you would have abused the system and voted in another region?

That's beyond ridiculous and a terrible example. If one guy on the french forums had actually voted his vote would have been 100 times more powerful than the vote of someone who posted in the english forums because his one vote would have counted as 25% of the actual votes.

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Originally Posted by Rennix

Sorry bad example, I'm not from the US. Thanks for the correction.

Lets try this maybe. If Insaniac and I were to vote on something just the two of us, would he get more say then I because he has triple my post count? I don't think so. Should the NA people have more say then the other regions cause we have more people come to this forum and post then they do? I don't think so.

The point is we aren't in the US, all regions have a fair say on this forum no matter how many people they have in their particular region and simply that's the way it is. That's the way this vote was ran. Get over it.

If the devs were to tell you this was a regional vote before hand, then I wonder how many of you would have abused the system and voted in another region?

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People wouldn't have, if SE decided that was the way to do it I guarantee you few people would vote at all, it's not a fair vote.

Also not entirely fair, I'm from the UK NOT from NA, I'm forced to post in these forums as they're the only English ones.

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Originally Posted by Insaniac

That's beyond ridiculous and a terrible example. If one guy on the french forums had actually voted his vote would have been 100 times more powerful than the vote of someone who posted in the english forums because his one vote would have counted as 25% of the actual votes.

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It was a regional vote population doesn't matter, that's how it was decided. Sure if that 1 French person were to vote then ya he would have made up 25% of the final tally. His vote would have been his region vote thus giving his region a 25% shot just like all the other regions to have their final choice win. Again population doesn't matter in a regional vote.

The JP ultimately make up most of the player base on this game. If we were to have this vote on POL im sure the jp votes would more then double the NA votes. So should they then have more say over us? or should each region have an equal say in the end?

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People wouldn't have, if SE decided that was the way to do it I guarantee you few people would vote at all, it's not a fair vote.

Also not entirely fair, I'm from the UK NOT from NA, I'm forced to post in these forums as they're the only English ones.

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I came to the conclusion that people would vote in different regions based on the comments in this thread a few pages back. Sorry I was over generalizing the different sections of the forum I should have been referring to the NA as English. This covers you.