Job Adjustments manifesto Discussion

Not talking about Tarage sport, lol

sarcasm failed, incoming woosh.

Nice saveface there, lol.

I know it's not exactly a job adjustment, but would there be any chance of seeing NIN added to sobero sukehiro, for obvious weakness staggering reasons? It's rare to even see SAMs using this nowadays unless they are skilling up and it was such an awesome GK back in the day if you wanted to get TP quickly. NIN doesn't get any of the main damage weaponskills so I don't forsee having Soboro available would offset any balance in terms of damage output.

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Originally Posted by Korpg

Dallas is worse than Tarage, and neither have banable ideas yet. Why are you wanting Tarage to be banned?

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The only reason you get free reign in suggestion threads to beg for updates is because I play at a level so much higher than you. Ultimately, SE will consider the impact on the SMN doing the most or I will force a nerf.

All I have ever done is show you what it takes to be the best. I really don't care about underachievers. Your purpose is to convince SE that all SMN need -4 perp body piece. I just use it to completely remove perp staves from my inventory.

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Originally Posted by Dallas

The only reason you get free reign in suggestion threads to beg for updates is because I play at a level so much higher than you. Ultimately, SE will consider the impact on the SMN doing the most or I will force a nerf.

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You gonna walk on water too?

Rak, any SMN who doesn't melee has willingly chosen to do half or less of their potential damage. If being the only player who applies the rules of FFXI makes me superhuman, then you know the answer.

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Originally Posted by Dallas

Rak, any SMN who doesn't melee has willingly chosen to do half or less of their potential damage. If being the only player who applies the rules of FFXI makes me superhuman, then you know the answer.

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We've had the melee argument in too many threads already now. Seriously shut up because no one cares about your insignificant melee damage on mobs on mobs that matter, and no one cares about your melee damage on mobs that don't matter.

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Originally Posted by Dallas

Rak, any SMN who doesn't melee has willingly chosen to do half or less of their potential damage. If being the only player who applies the rules of FFXI makes me superhuman, then you know the answer.

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How can you do half or less than half of your "potential" damage if you are constantly dead from AoE?

Are you saying that you have enough HP to survive a Gates of Hades from Orthrus? Or any of Pantokrator's -gas or AoE TP moves?

Or any T3 Voidwatch mobs?

I think it's safe to say Dallas doesn't play FFXI.

Or at the very least he doesn't play SMN.

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Originally Posted by Korpg

How can you do half or less than half of your "potential" damage if you are constantly dead from AoE?

Are you saying that you have enough HP to survive a Gates of Hades from Orthrus? Or any of Pantokrator's -gas or AoE TP moves?

Or any T3 Voidwatch mobs?

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Pretty much, half the reason to have a SMN in the alliance to limit TP feed and keep the player out of AoE range.

Yah Yah... OMG, super deadly AOE ... Wahhhhh. Level WAR ... Boo hoo...

We know the drill. Congratulations for defining your 9 years of FFXI by the very little you can accomplish. How big of a cookie must we give to make you stop trying to sell minimal damage on the other 99% of the game?

Seriously, by the WAR's logic, Tom Arnold is a good actor because of True Lies.

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Originally Posted by Dallas

Yah Yah... OMG, super deadly AOE ... Wahhhhh. Level WAR ... Boo hoo...

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I didn't say that everyone should stop leveling SMN to go level WAR. I said that WAR does better damage than SMN, which is pretty obvious to everyone but you. How is your so-called DoT damage doing? Oh wait, you are still asking for a raise...

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We know the drill. Congratulations for defining your 9 years of FFXI by the very little you can accomplish. How big of a cookie must we give to make you stop trying to sell minimal damage on the other 99% of the game?

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Wait, isn't that what you have been trying to do now? Defining your 9 years (oh, fun fact, I started this game as an XBOX beta tester, so I have only been here for 5~6 years now, and I'm still a better player than you) by stealing other's work and claiming them as your own....yup, that is you.

Climbed Mt. Everest yet? Knowing you, you will say you were the first person to do so naked and blind and had to teach everyone how to do it normally.

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Originally Posted by Dallas

Seriously, by the WAR's logic, Tom Arnold is a good actor because of True Lies.

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Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

Look it up Raz. Meanwhile, let's all sit back and let the guy who admittedly only uses SMN to solo in Abyssea tell us how awesome WAR is again.

Make the tp bonuse JA give us the full 300% since it's only for the next ws. Also since it's a 1 time deal make sure the recast isn't high. Lol actully just make it a Sam version of sneak atk and put the recast at 2min or somthin that shouldn't seem unfair. Just take it in account plz

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Originally Posted by Korpg

How can you do half or less than half of your "potential" damage if you are constantly dead from AoE?

Are you saying that you have enough HP to survive a Gates of Hades from Orthrus? Or any of Pantokrator's -gas or AoE TP moves?

Or any T3 Voidwatch mobs?

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Please stop trolling. Nobody meles Pantokrator except your 1-2 WAR/MNK tanks. You could as well sit there and ask if SMNs solo main heal Pantokrator fights, and then claim that because they can't it is useless to sub WHM on SMN.

Your 10% good posts make me depressed to read your 90% junk posts. Just stop posting regarding melee SMN, since you haven't once made a valid post on the subject. It would also remove half the crap on these forums since Dallas usually don't talk with himself.

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Originally Posted by Malamasala

Please stop trolling. Nobody meles Pantokrator except your 1-2 WAR/MNK tanks. You could as well sit there and ask if SMNs solo main heal Pantokrator fights, and then claim that because they can't it is useless to sub WHM on SMN.

Your 10% good posts make me depressed to read your 90% junk posts. Just stop posting regarding melee SMN, since you haven't once made a valid post on the subject. It would also remove half the crap on these forums since Dallas usually don't talk with himself.

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Is this a Pot meet Kettle kinda deal?

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Originally Posted by Malamasala

Please stop trolling. Nobody meles Pantokrator except your 1-2 WAR/MNK tanks. You could as well sit there and ask if SMNs solo main heal Pantokrator fights, and then claim that because they can't it is useless to sub WHM on SMN.

Your 10% good posts make me depressed to read your 90% junk posts. Just stop posting regarding melee SMN, since you haven't once made a valid post on the subject. It would also remove half the crap on these forums since Dallas usually don't talk with himself.

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But, Dallas just said that a SMN who doesn't melee is losing half or more of their damage. I even quoted that. That post was in response to his idea that SMNs should always melee, which he has stated many times over.

Besides, disagreeing with one another is not the same as trolling. You really need to learn that. Because if you think that I'm trolling, then you have to be trolling also because of the disagreement.

It doesn't matter who says otherwise, K will continue to believe that WAR is the only job that can stand and melee the 99% of the game that everyone melees.

Now I know you don't play the same game as everyone else does. Or only melee in Campaign/on trash mobs during a Full Moon.

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Originally Posted by Dallas

It doesn't matter who says otherwise, K will continue to believe that WAR is the only job that can stand and melee the 99% of the game that everyone melees.

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Go melee on anything, you will still die from AoE from mobs that actually have AoE abilities/spells.

Dallas is possibly the best troll ever,

he posts just enough total crap to not be seen by moderators,

and convinces 1-2 idiots that it's not total crap.

That way, these forums will always be plagued because people like Malamasala will occasionally back him up.

This is why we can't get off the topic of LOLMELEE SMN, if you're going to melee go level any of the actual melee jobs, please.

This can be fixed by clicking on "Settings" clicking the "Edit Ignore List" link, entering the person's name in it, and clicking "Okay".

If only real life had this option!

You haven't learned how to play with your phone properly.

Iphone RL Ignore lists, we have an app for that.

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Originally Posted by Alaik

You haven't learned how to play with your phone properly.

Iphone RL Ignore lists, we have an app for that.

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I have a regular phone that no one calls, why do I need a phone to take with me everywhere I go that no one calls?!

One day I am going to be the grumpiest of grumpy old men.

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Originally Posted by Leonlionheart

This is why we can't get off the topic of LOLMELEE SMN

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Yell at Korpg for inviting me back. I really don't care what SE does for SMN adjustments. En-element? Staff WS? MP to damage? I'll win.

No, you won't.

Nope.

Sorry.

Melee SMN sucks.

Kthxbai.

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Originally Posted by Raksha

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Originally Posted by Camate

In regards to support capability, we’re thinking more in the direction of adjustments that will differ from white mage.

Instead of just simply adding a high-tier Cure, we’re looking into making it so scholars can raise their performance further by enhancing the effects of stratagem use and regen-type magic. However, this doesn’t mean that we won’t be adding a high-tier Cure later down the line.

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Tank: I'm in the red! Medic!
SCH: I got this. (casts regen-type spell)
Tank: What was that?
SCH: Don't worry, you'll be good as new in five minutes.
*tank dies*

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That depends on the type of Regen. Normal Regen wouldn't cut it, but what if the Regen effect depended on the amount of damage on the target? Or it recovered a % of HP, rather then a fixed amount? Or both? Or was a sphere effect?

Heal
RDM 91 : Single target spell on party member, target recovers a % of HP every tick. Effect becomes stronger at lower HP.

Regen Helix
SCH 91 : Single target spell on enemy, target emits a Regen Aura that heals party members. Affected by Modus Veritas.

There's also the prospect of simple damage mitigation spells. As a static number, Phalanx hasn't grown very well. However, if you can slap a -25% DT onto someone that'd stack with gear on top of that, you wouldn't need to cure as hard. Though, I'm sure some would whine about easy mode if -75% PDT/MDT was possible for tanky types, or expect future content to be balanced around that presence so mobs would just do obscenely much more damage without.

Between RDM and SCH, each should probably pick one of those types and run with it.

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Originally Posted by Dallas

Rak, any SMN who doesn't melee has willingly chosen to do half or less of their potential damage. If being the only player who applies the rules of FFXI makes me superhuman, then you know the answer.

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Originally Posted by Leonlionheart

No, you won't.

Nope.

Sorry.

Melee SMN sucks.

Kthxbai.

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And yet the only job you won't compare me to is your SMN. LOL

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Originally Posted by Leonlionheart

That way, these forums will always be plagued because people like Malamasala will occasionally back him up.

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I'm independent, thank you very much. I don't counter Dalla's claims, because I don't have an empyrean staff to evaluate his claims. I counter Korpg's claims because I've proved them wrong personally and he is just spreading lies. And that is why it looks like I leave Dallas alone and pick on Korpg.

I'm sure you'd call me out also if I constantly went around these forums and claimed WAR/WHM is the best job combo, and can main heal. Especially since my WAR is level 45 or so and I've only leveled it as a subjob, so I haven't actually explored my facts first hand, just made them up on the spot.

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Originally Posted by Malamasala

I'm independent, thank you very much. I don't counter Dalla's claims, because I don't have an empyrean staff to evaluate his claims. I counter Korpg's claims because I've proved them wrong personally and he is just spreading lies. And that is why it looks like I leave Dallas alone and pick on Korpg.

I'm sure you'd call me out also if I constantly went around these forums and claimed WAR/WHM is the best job combo, and can main heal. Especially since my WAR is level 45 or so and I've only leveled it as a subjob, so I haven't actually explored my facts first hand, just made them up on the spot.

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Wait, you proved me wrong on what? That you think that Spirits need an update? That avatars aren't good enough for you? What was it exactly?

You don't counter Dallas because you actually agree with him about meleeing with SMN. You and Al both defend him constantly, although Al only defends the MP side of the argument. But you basically are Dallas's toady. Everywhere he goes, there you are to defend his insane ideas.

Melee SMNs have no place in a party/alliance that is killing something harder than EMs, or killing anything harder than exp mobs in Abyssea. But you guys, Dallas especially, and you backing him up, constantly state that if a Melee SMN can't melee on the mob, neither should the WAR. I have yet to hear Dallas explaining why a SMN should be allowed to melee, feed TP to a mob, and for it to be reasonable. Neither of you have a leg to stand on, but yet, you continue to state that you are both gods of the world and anything different is heretic to your name.

Besides, you should know that WAR/WHM has about as much healing ability as a SMN/WHM. Only difference is MP from SMN, but the cures are the same, recast are the same, and gimping your job is the same. A job should not be defined by the subjob it chooses.

Poor K, would a 5 year old thread showing how well SMN fared on greater colibri shut you up? I will only offer it up to shut you up.

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Originally Posted by Dallas

Poor K, would a 5 year old thread showing how well SMN fared on greater colibri shut you up? I will only offer it up to shut you up.

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Wait, let me guess, you have a parse where you were the SMN meleeing against a BRD melee, a RDM melee, a PLD tank, a DNC using H2H, and a SAM using a gimp GK on birds, right? Because A) Birds really show the differences between jobs and mobs, and B) Birds are the hardest thing out there at the time.

Let me see the parse between a melee SMN and an emp weapon on any job, including BRD, DNC, and heck, BLM and SCH. Specially your SMN.

You know he won't quit, even though the actual discussion of Real SMN vs Melee turdface is basically over.

Verdict: Melee when it's not detrimental to the battle outcome, don't when it is. That goes for pretty much EVERY JOB though.

Hint: If you're using SMN, it's probably a situation where being in melee range is detrimental to your health and sanity. I.E. Angius(Flux 7 WoE), Flux 5 WoE, Voidwatch, etc. Otherwise just don't use the job.

Dallas = Craftermath, I'm convinced of it now.

A quick FFXI search shows that there is no character called Tagurit on Fenrir, or on any server.

It would be nice if Dallas would provide us with his real account, but I suspect he doesn't even have one.

LLH, if only you were siding with people who believe "melee when you can melee.". I've always claimed that everyone but the Gimp SMN crowd has the sense to know the difference. Unfortunately for you, you chose to side with idiots. Your judgement is lacking.