KI-popped-NM Stealing

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Originally Posted by Swords

Wouldn't have done him a whole lot of good because people were probably just sitting there on his butt spamming chi blast, voke, charm, or whatever their choice of JA/spells they prefer to use leaving him little to no room for oppertunity to reclaim. And you can't really say it was his fault for it going yellow either, there could have been any number of reasons it went yellow, he couldn't have seen it coming or was not able to do something right away like voke being down.

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In a situation like Svengalis describes in his last post, all the war had to do was pull the NM away from the person d/cing to stop that person from being the last person to act on the NM, and Gukumatz wouldn't have gone unclaimed.

When someone d/cs they get the red dot next to their name, they don't just suddenly vanish. There is plenty of time for other party members to act on the NM and to pull the NM out of range from the person d/cing.

Being Svengalis didn't post the specifics, I half-assumed the BLU had hate (since they're notorious for high spike damage) which probably kept him from pulling it away. Even if Sven did have hate there is still a small window of oppertunity for it to happen depending on his reaction and connection speed or if the mob trailed back to the BLU from bouncing hate, but I'd probably agree thats a rather small or neglible variable.

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Originally Posted by Swords

Being Svengalis didn't post the specifics, I half-assumed the BLU had hate (since they're notorious for high spike damage) which probably kept him from pulling it away. Even if Sven did have hate there is still a small window of oppertunity for it to happen depending on his reaction and connection speed or if the mob trailed back to the BLU from bouncing hate, but I'd probably agree thats a rather small or neglible variable.

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He clearly says the NM was facing the war (he doesn't say if he is the war in this case, but it doesn't sound like he is), from that I would assume the war had hate. And someone who is d/cing can't cast magic or do weaponskills, they can only auto-attack, so if you're telling me a war can't pull hate off a blu to move the NM away in the time it takes the blu to actually d/c - well then that war sucks beyond belief.

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We are having this discussion solely because people are sore losers when they wipe. We aren't talking about NMs randomly coming unclaimed during a fight. We are talking about Zombie tactics, 10/18 of the alliance is eating dirt while the NM chases a black mage, "I died but I got back up and someone took it" claim loss.

You could say "Suck less". Or you could just say "Lose gracefully". When you're half dead, beaten and battered, barely keeping anyone alive while you run an NM around, you've pretty much lost. If you keep the claim, good for you. If you lose the claim, better luck next time. Talking about poison and greed is completely uncalled for.

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Not really, a lot of people here are just firing off justifications for their actions as if the mere action of justifying it makes everything ok. You've at least tempered your reasoning somewhat and laid out some boundaries and limits for when you might consider doing it. I think a number of people that have posted in here are probably a lot more mercenary than yourself. It opens the door for the "you suck, i'm taking your mob" attitude a lot more, which is indeed quite poisonous. Whether you like it or not a community that probably hasn't seen that kind of mindset before is probably being exposed to it for the first time.

Also, the notion that people don't have a right to be upset is a bit silly to be perfectly honest. Not everyone playing this game has the (good or bad) experience of many years in a cutthroat endgame environment, not everyone cares for the competition that brought. The notion of profiting off someone else's work is pretty vile to a large number of the playerbase. For the record, there is no other way of looking at it, if you end up with someone else's popped KI mob, you profit from their work, period. I think that's a large part of the problem, on one side we have "hey this is justified, because I clearly know better than group X and my experience has led me to believe this is the right thing to do" while the group losing the mob is probably in some form or another going to see you as vultures. Being surprised that people arc up at you sounds like a classic case of denial by the way. Don't fool yourself into thinking there's not an element of jerk in your actions when you take something. Regardless of what stage the group's at.

Edit: Really though, is this even a problem anymore with the extra pop points added? Would've thought there's enough spawns to go around now to not have groups waiting behind you to pop.

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Originally Posted by svengalis

It is alot of American players. The Japanese usually don't do this. They usually wait, ask how many pops you got left or they even come back. I have had so many pops stolen or people go out of turn and don't reply to you by American players. I don't know why you guys are so rude. Everything in Abyssea can be obtained within time. Most drops are pretty common you guys don't have to be so disrespectful to other players. We are human beings just like you treat us with some respect.

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Very true, especially those they think they are good.

5 pages Really? If you're having trouble with pops getting stolen you should look into not sucking simple as that.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

You could say "Suck less". Or you could just say "Lose gracefully". When you're half dead, beaten and battered, barely keeping anyone alive while you run an NM around, you've pretty much lost. If you keep the claim, good for you. If you lose the claim, better luck next time. Talking about poison and greed is completely uncalled for.

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Regardless people kill with bio or you can one-shot the NM that's just the one of the ways to play.

Tell me how you know being suck to you means those should just stay away from NMs and don't do anything in game? Or they do it, they die, get up, die again, while you voke the mob is right because 'being suck' is not right to you? And how you know they will not succeed at the end after 20-30 deaths and 200 bios?

At the critical moment during the NM fight, having people like you around is bad luck, without is lucky. So for those of you suckers please be aware of because there are people believe they are so above the others.

Placing the blame on American players only is bias and untrue.

Even saying "majority" still implies "more than average" which is also very untrue.

Its a mixture of people who do it. You only see one type because that one type are generally online when you are online. I'm very sure that Chinese, Australian, French, British, and Latin American players have also "stole" mobs from other players. Placing the blame on the "majority" of American implies that all American players are bad players.

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Its a mixture of people who do it. You only see one type because that one type are generally online when you are online. I'm very sure that Chinese, Australian, French, British, and Latin American players have also "stole" mobs from other players. Placing the blame on the "majority" of American implies that all American players are bad players.

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No, it implies there are more asshats from america, on average.

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Originally Posted by Sama

Regardless people kill with bio or you can one-shot the NM that's just the one of the ways to play.

Tell me how you know being suck to you means those should just stay away from NMs and don't do anything in game? Or they do it, they die, get up, die again, while you voke the mob is right because 'being suck' is not right to you? And how you know they will not succeed at the end after 20-30 deaths and 200 bios?

At the critical moment during the NM fight, having people like you around is bad luck, without is lucky. So for those of you suckers please be aware of because there are people believe they are so above the others.

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No one here is arguing against the right of players, whether good or bad, to play and enjoy game content. You're badly misinterpreting the discussion if you think this is the case.

One beautiful thing about Abyssea is that it's remarkably accessible for everyone. That means that lots of bad players and pickup groups engage in Abyssea content everyday in close proximity to groups consisting of average and good players. The groups consisting of poor players and pickups fail on a regular basis, and these failures result in free NMs for nearby groups. That's the way it is, and in case you have not been paying attention, that's the way it's been for years.

Have you been paying attention to this conversation? The vast majority of posters here will wait for groups to completely wipe before claiming and killing an NM. No, not a brief moment where an NM goes yellow for whatever reason. A full f**king wipe.

Your groups would have nothing to worry about 99% of the time if you'd simply just kill the damn NM without any real problems or significant number of deaths. If your definition of 'critical moment' is 'die and reraise repeatedly (thanks to Apoc) while attempting to kill the NM with DoTs' then yeah, the vast majority of players will take an NM in that situation and put it out of its misery.

Stop failing, and outsiders won't be able to claim 'your' NMs.