Any new HNM coming?

One idea might be to have the old school HNM system (rotating 21-24 hour respawn with 3 hour pop window and everything) AND a BCNM type battle field that people could enter and fight the same mob. Make it so that the drop rate might be higher (not absurdly so) for the HNM but make sure that everything that drops from said HNM still drops from the BCNM. Kinda like how we have the KSNM battles for Black Belt items - just put the "abjuration" drops in the pool, as well. Then, those that like competing with others (whether botting or not) have a chance at still enjoying their aspect of the game but everyone else that would rather not participate in the "botting" fest have their chance to get the items, too.

I really hope this "new HNM are coming" isn't the first sign of the dev team trying to push FFXI back to the old types of endgame, I don't think they will be ready for the backlash if they try that after allowing everyone to do content to making it just for the few with bots or putting every endgame event on a timetable to log on to. Did the old pre-abyssea XI staff working on FFXIV that got fired come back to FFXI recently? >_>

Idk about anyone else but I got sick of dynamis/limbus/Ein/salvage at "time" twice a week that all cost money (very often at times you had to stay up late to attend) and HNM camps for the rest of the time you were online. Could be the FFXI update of FFXIV proportions if they try that.

World spawns will rise again.

And retards with it.

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Originally Posted by Natenn

Only inconvenient if you see it that way, all i see is pessimism in most of the ppl posting, its gonna be another ??? HNM or something that actually requires skill to kill thats hard to find out in the field.

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I suppose you'll only be happy if they drop the best gear in the game right? Cause you know only people with no lives and bots deserve to have that gear right?

the real life card? well played sir, well played.


Edit: i would be happy, why add the best gear to stuff that can be spammed? at least with HNM you see who really put the time/work in to earn it.

Seriously though content should be available to everyone not a select few with big wallets to spend on bots.

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Seriously though content should be available to everyone not a select few with big wallets to spend on bots.

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It used to be accepted cause it was how FFXI was, people accepted that do get an Ebody you had to join certain botting shells or buy it off a RMT linkshell and that was just how it was. They changed all that with Abyssea and many people came back due to the changes, so people really won't take it very well if they try to go back down that road now lol

Can the FFXI dev team be stupid enough to try change the game back now? will see I guess. Old HNM = Botting and linkshells that sold the drops for RMT.

This staff comment is more worrying than exciting to me, I wish they would post how they plan them to be spawned or something. If they are going back to old FFXI I'm calling it quits after 8 years, I've had enough of that crappy bot ridden life draining endgame. Can't give people steak and go back to coconuts.

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Originally Posted by Runespider

It used to be accepted cause it was how FFXI was, people accepted that do get an Ebody you had to join certain botting shells or buy it off a RMT linkshell and that was just how it was. They changed all that with Abyssea and many people came back due to the changes, so people really won't take it very well if they try to go back down that road now lol

Can the FFXI dev team be stupid enough to try change the game back now? will see I guess. Old HNM = Botting and linkshells that sold the drops for RMT.

This staff comment is more worrying than exciting to me, I wish they would post how they plan them to be spawned or something. If they are going back to old FFXI I'm calling it quits after 8 years, I've had enough of that crappy bot ridden life draining endgame. Can't give people steak and go back to coconuts.

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Yeah complaining about botting kings is a moot point at this point. I just don't want to see SE add more bottable HNMs.

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Originally Posted by Satyr

I'm sorry but the old NM(HNM) system in this game is just poor game design. I do not care how you argue it...putting monsters in that have revolving spawn times and have 21-24 hour respwans with 3 hour spawn windows (or worse) is poor game design. Endgame content should be about making fights that are a real challenge yet accessible to anyone that wants to participate. The old system forced you to be in an HNM shell due to the spawn mechanics and it is unrealistic for people to have to get up at 3AM to participate in content because some LS decided to hold King Arturo for 5 hours.

The game has consistently been moving away from the old HNM system seeing as the majority of endgame content since Zilart has been instanced, or forced spawn with the end results being things like Abyssea, Nyzul, Assault, etc. They still threw in some absurd HNMs to appease the LSs that think fun is sitting somewhere for 4 hours and spamming a provoke macro for 30 seconds every 30 min. The result? Many people liked Nyzul, and Assault, and pretty much anyone who is playing currently likes the abyssea system. The reason is because unlike with HNMs, you get rewarded for the time put in as well as the effort, whereas I would venture to guess that the vast majority of players have never even seen (let alone killed) Dark Ixion.

TL;DR: Endgame content should be about teamwork and effort, not about who can spam their provoke macro the fastest or who can have the most players awake at 3 AM.

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I couldn't have said it better myself. No one in their right mind likes spending hours upon hours sitting in one spot to claim one NM that spawns once a day. It's ridiculous and it shouldn't be done.

I'm pretty sure SE has learned from their mistakes and we won't be seeing 24 hour day spawns ever again.

EDIT: I hope we'll get a chance to somehow fight the great dragon Drogaroga. :)