Raise the minimum allowable job level in Abyssea from 30 to 70+

yeah in some aspects the older ways were different some could say better but ask yourselves this? how is leeching abyssea any different from getting PL'd throughout 1/2 of your levels? i mean the dunes back in the day you loved it when u were getting PL'd i dont know about the other people who use abyssea to leech but i myself have 2 accounts which i ask the leader if i can leech on one whilst healing on the other and before i see rants/flames about how im gonna be gimp because i didnt level my job correctly so i dont know how to play it properly. i get the gear i need level the skills i need to and play the job inside and out with my friends before i take it anywhere where the general public can see how/what i've even done.

I don't think leeching in abyssea can be compared to being PLed... PL in the first place can't kill the mobs for you, you can't just stay idle and watch. But I guess I see your point.

There's a difference between burning a job to 90 and knowing the job and not. This game has been around long enough for people to have an understanding of game mechanics, so when I recently burned WAR to 90 I knew exactly what I was doing once finished. Just because I'd never used Raging Rush before doesn't mean I don't know how to gear for it, the same for TP in that you follow the same rules.

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Originally Posted by Invasion

There's a difference between burning a job to 90 and knowing the job and not. This game has been around long enough for people to have an understanding of game mechanics, so when I recently burned WAR to 90 I knew exactly what I was doing once finished. Just because I'd never used Raging Rush before doesn't mean I don't know how to gear for it, the same for TP in that you follow the same rules.

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you would think so wouldn't you?

na i hate the abyssea being able to enter at 30, really need to go back to real parties where people actally kicked people if they use a level 10 scythe and mab gear on a level 75 drk

i say let em, they wanna leech their way up, thats fine

cuz the ppl that know the jobs, u know, the ones that have actually logged like 100+hrs on it fighting hnms/gods etc will be able to spot em in a heartbeat

back in the day with bought characters, i used to kick em from my xp pt's all the time
an rdm that doesnt use convert to save his mp(odd i know)
a war that never used provoke when nin lost hate and mob went for the mages
a drk that blows all /ja's +ws at start of fight
a rng using /whm and a 'rang wearing melee att gear( this one made me lol when i saw this)

they will get known in time

and to those that do learn the job they burn up, good for u!
less of a burden on those ppl depending on u to do the role

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Originally Posted by Bahamut

I Disagree with OP.

I have 3 jobs at 60 now, because its harder then hell to get them into regular parties at that point.

I'm sick of all these whiners about lower lvls in abyss. I havent been in abyss for weeks because they dont let in anyone under 75 already. Which translates into a bunch of whiners not allowing me to leech for two hours so I can xp for a couple weeks with a nongimp character. Sad really.

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thats WHY entery should be 70+ or 75+ if people under those levels can't enter abysea the old way of pting would be more common and thus your personal invites would increase.

I had 19 75s before abyssea, it was not hard to get into a party the days before abyssea came out. it was hard for some jobs like how pup, dnc, pld, drk may be looked down on but all and all it wasn't that hard, plus you had level sync to make it easier.

the only counter I can see to my agurment is that new people entering is low, I do not understand why, maybe recruit a friend program like wow does, i really dont know its kinda strange to me

i get with my shell all the time and just go do Random xp parties all you need is good friends not everyone is stuck in abyssea 24/7 LS wintersoul on bismarck

If they did this to prevent leechers, they might as well fix up astral burn (if they havent already)

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tell me why his post is stupid? Leveling was not hard, and hell with the new updates to it, it is even easier, I duoed with an LS mate, and we where level synced to level 11, I went from 42 to 43 in about 20-25 mins. That is not bad at all. We had a PL but they really did not do much since we where 1-2 shooting everything. If the PL was not there I would have said more like 30 mins, and even then, that is not bad.

This is an MMORPG you should not beable to level a job from 30 to 75 in a day -.-

I understand what everyone is saying here and I agree with 75% os the posts. There is not alot of difference between what people are trying to say.

If the cap in abyssea was say 45+ for Visions, 60+ for Scars & 75+ for Hero's then it would still allow everyone equal opportunity. That is of course in accordance with the mob levels in each zone. Why can't a 45 pt be made and go burn in Vision zones? It would work, people would be getting good xp & then they could actually feel some accomplishment.

These are all just thoughts but we know SE will have a hard time changing anything at this point. They could nerf abyssea which would eliminate the alliance & back to 6 person party. I personally enjoy just going in with 4 or 5 people, do some DOM's and get some merits.

Is nice to see that people are getting more civilized on these threads and not as negative towards the OP for just stating something that a lot of people agree with.

NightDagger
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Originally Posted by Kailea_Nagisa

This is an MMORPG you should not beable to level a job from 30 to 75 in a day -.-

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Why not? I don't see why that is a problem.

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Originally Posted by rog

Why not? I don't see why that is a problem.

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i agree totally

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Originally Posted by Kailea_Nagisa

tell me why his post is stupid? Leveling was not hard, and hell with the new updates to it, it is even easier, I duoed with an LS mate, and we where level synced to level 11, I went from 42 to 43 in about 20-25 mins. That is not bad at all. We had a PL but they really did not do much since we where 1-2 shooting everything. If the PL was not there I would have said more like 30 mins, and even then, that is not bad.

This is an MMORPG you should not beable to level a job from 30 to 75 in a day -.-

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His post was stupid for a number of reasons:

This game is 8 years old, the content is no longer focused on leveling. Why would you want to make something that should no longer be the main focus of an 8 year old game more time consuming? Why would you want to make something that was not at all in any shape or form enjoyable last longer than it has to? Why would you do the above after having the restrictions of leveling lifted for almost a year now?

Nobody plays this game to level their jobs now. It is a means to an end.

[Removed by Moderator according to the FINAL FANTASY XI FORUM Guidelines.] the fact that below level 65ish you're not even halfway done with the exp curve to get to 75. So of course it's going to be somewhat fast.

This is an 8 year old MMORPG and making something that is outdated harder than it needs to be is stupid and redundant. End of discussion.

My example still stands, because before hand it used to take about an hour, to atleast for low levels the EXP time has been but in half. You might not like leveling, but there are many out there that like the path to the end, and not just the end. Yes this game is 8 years old, but that does not mean SE should dumb it down to where there is almost no point in playing it anymore.

i still have fun playing it even with the speed with which u level i now go to abyssea and fight solo most of the time to skill up and hunt items faster xp has not made this game too easy

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Originally Posted by Kailea_Nagisa

My example still stands, because before hand it used to take about an hour, to atleast for low levels the EXP time has been but in half. You might not like leveling, but there are many out there that like the path to the end, and not just the end. Yes this game is 8 years old, but that does not mean SE should dumb it down to where there is almost no point in playing it anymore.

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No it doesn't. EXP parties do not fight EP-DC mobs.

By many you mean few. As the majority of the people posting on this forum or in this thread have disagreed with the OP. EDIT: Nobody is stopping you from leveling the old way. So again, your argument is invalid.

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Yes this game is 8 years old, but that does not mean SE should dumb it down to where there is almost no point in playing it anymore.

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You're still in the mindset that leveling is everything to do in the game, thus without leveling there is no point in playing anymore. Hence why your argument is invalid, because that simply isn't true.

Again leveling from 30 to 75 in a day is horrible in an MMORPG environment, it breeds nothing but laziness.

it is sad how spoiled MMORPG players have been in recent years.......

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Originally Posted by Kailea_Nagisa

Again leveling from 30 to 75 in a day is horrible in an MMORPG environment, it breeds nothing but laziness.

it is sad how spoiled MMORPG players have been in recent years.......

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Explain to me how actively doing something for an entire day to achieve a goal is breeding laziness? I'd say that's being ambitious.

Also, again, 8 year old game, leveling is not the main focus, your arguments are invalid. Stop repeating yourself and go away.

EDIT: Apparently something that takes less than a couple weeks is lazy. Well ***. Why don't we all just stop playing and start working on jigsaw puzzles with 400k pieces.

Does not matter how old the game is, Ultima Online did not do this, EverQuest did not do this, and they are both a good bit older then FFXI. Place a cap on the new zones, and make people do things the right way. The idea of stepping up the level caps is even a better idea, although I would put it at more like 50/60/70.

and really? Not breeding laziness? You stand there and leech EXP, how is that not lazy?

After leveing what is there to do? You can work on AF3+2 which does not really take that much time when looking at how it use to be to get your AF2/gods. Soo what we are left to do is level a job to 90, spend a week getting the skillups needed. Then another 2 weeks of farming to get AF3+2 and you Emp. Weapon. Then your done. You don't need an endgame LS anymore cause what are you going to fight? So all you are stating is that this game is now at it's end and SE can pretty much stop any updates cause everyone is happy with the final result we have.

That is NOT what this game was built for. If you have played this game for the 8+ years most have then you know what we all went through when getting our first lvl 75. You can say no one liked leveling but there was 3 times the amount of people on the servers 7 you could always get a PT invite. now you either pu your flag up to go to abyssea, lvl synch. or just /tell people asking to key whore or leech. WOW that is just sad, the difficulty level of this game is at a 2 now. Maybe the only job that is still fun & they are not able to assist it in any way is Blue Mage. Atleast i still have to get spells the old way or would you prefer just being able to buy those spells as well?

I am having a hard time understanding why people are so in love with just logging online playing for 6 hours & getting a lvl 9 job plus hlaf an Emp. Weapon completed.

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Originally Posted by Kailea_Nagisa

Does not matter how old the game is, Ultima Online did not do this, EverQuest did not do this, and they are both a good bit older then FFXI. Place a cap on the new zones, and make people do things the right way. The idea of stepping up the level caps is even a better idea, although I would put it at more like 50/60/70.

and really? Not breeding laziness? You stand there and leech EXP, how is that not lazy?

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They are also different games.

Explain to me why YOUR way is the RIGHT way.

And you're generally busy opening boxes and now running back and forth to get ops. In a good exp party a chest leech should have no time to sit there doing nothing. urdoinitwrong apparently.

I think what she means is leveling is a part of a MMORPG (or any RPG for that matter) and just getting rid of that part in a day or two seems to sort of minimize the things to do in the game in the end (no more breaks between one pt and another, no more mid-level gearing, no more NM camping for mid-level gear etc.)
But I can't blame players for that really, unlike other FFs where each new area was 'suited' for the character's current level, most of FFXI activity now requires high level... I mean look at CoP it used to be maybe the only scenario non-lv75 players could partecipate to along with rank 1-5 missions and now that cap has been removed no one will do promies with lv30 players anymore. it's just "go grind and then solo it".
Maybe if we could get something that didn't push the player into reaching 90 asap people would burn less.

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Originally Posted by NightDagger

After leveing what is there to do? You can work on AF3+2 which does not really take that much time when looking at how it use to be to get your AF2/gods. Soo what we are left to do is level a job to 90, spend a week getting the skillups needed. Then another 2 weeks of farming to get AF3+2 and you Emp. Weapon. Then your done. You don't need an endgame LS anymore cause what are you going to fight? So all you are stating is that this game is now at it's end and SE can pretty much stop any updates cause everyone is happy with the final result we have.

That is NOT what this game was built for. If you have played this game for the 8+ years most have then you know what we all went through when getting our first lvl 75. You can say no one liked leveling but there was 3 times the amount of people on the servers 7 you could always get a PT invite. now you either pu your flag up to go to abyssea, lvl synch. or just /tell people asking to key whore or leech. WOW that is just sad, the difficulty level of this game is at a 2 now. Maybe the only job that is still fun & they are not able to assist it in any way is Blue Mage. Atleast i still have to get spells the old way or would you prefer just being able to buy those spells as well?

I am having a hard time understanding why people are so in love with just logging online playing for 6 hours & getting a lvl 9 job plus hlaf an Emp. Weapon completed.

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This just in, perfecting your gear only takes 6 hours.

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Originally Posted by Kailea_Nagisa

Again leveling from 30 to 75 in a day is horrible in an MMORPG environment, it breeds nothing but laziness.

it is sad how spoiled MMORPG players have been in recent years.......

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Says who ?

After 51 pages of the same 3 or 4 arguments being refuted by the same 3 or 4 points of logic, I fail to see how this thread is still relevant. Done repeating myself, you all have fun arguing over something that won't happen.

I haven't posted on FFXI yet, but I was reading this and got a little annoyed. Don't point out that this is a repeat thread... I don't care.

The reason that most people on this thread don't agree with the original poster is because most everyone that agrees with the original poster has already left the game. A HUGE percentage of people no longer play because of Abyssea. When I started in 2004, the goal was already end game, but you had to put the work in to get to Dynamis, Limbus, or Sea. There was a sense of pride in the jobs you had leveled to 75 (which took a long time) because you had put in so much work to get there. You knew how to play it best and it felt like yours. Ask any of those people that has left, including myself, the biggest reasons why. They'll tell you the same thing. "30-90 in a day? All the gear I spent years earning is worthless? F this.". Abyssea destroyed the pride and joy I had in my character, and for that reason I hardly ever log in anymore.

The original poster is dead on. Unfortunately, it would be devastating to change it now. Abyssea should have been that way from the beginning. If you all enjoy leveling quickly and everything coming easy, sure, that's fine. But understand that YOU are the minority, not us, those that have left, so seriously... Grow up. Kudos to the OP for sticking around through it all.

Just because the game is 8 years old doesn't mean it should be any easier. If I turn on an old RPG/FF... It's still the same game.

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I haven't posted on FFXI yet, but I was reading this and got a little annoyed. Don't point out that this is a repeat thread... I don't care.

The reason that most people on this thread don't agree with the original poster is because most everyone that agrees with the original poster has already left the game. A HUGE percentage of people no longer play because of Abyssea. When I started in 2004, the goal was already end game, but you had to put the work in to get to Dynamis, Limbus, or Sea. There was a sense of pride in the jobs you had leveled to 75 (which took a long time) because you had put in so much work to get there. You knew how to play it best and it felt like yours. Ask any of those people that has left, including myself, the biggest reasons why. They'll tell you the same thing. "30-90 in a day? All the gear I spent years earning is worthless? F this.". Abyssea destroyed the pride and joy I had in my character, and for that reason I hardly ever log in anymore.

The original poster is dead on. Unfortunately, it would be devastating to change it now. Abyssea should have been that way from the beginning. If you all enjoy leveling quickly and everything coming easy, sure, that's fine. But understand that YOU are the minority, not us, those that have left, so seriously... Grow up. Kudos to the OP for sticking around through it all.

Just because the game is 8 years old doesn't mean it should be any easier. If I turn on an old RPG/FF... It's still the same game.

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I agree. I havent been on the game for more then 3-5 hours in 2 months. FFXI was a HELP and CO-OP base game. you needed people to accel. You felt AWESOME for getting something done!

Jerynh, You are right on in my oppinion.. Hope like you it fixes itself soon..

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Originally Posted by Emitremmus

I think this is a modest request. 30 is much too low to do anything in Abyssea. We know it specifically for key-whoring until you get into the upper levels in which case you are forced to skill-up and obtain spells that you missed out on with your exp binge.

I'm not calling anyone out who does this, but you got to admit it is kinda lame to be able to do this.

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i SAY LEAVE IT ALONE I LOVE IT THERE'S A BUNCH OF JOBS I WANNA PLAY BUT NOT IN PARTY DYNAMIC SO I JUST BURN THEM FOR MY OWN SELFISH GAIN LIKE NINJA I DON'T WANT TANK FOR A PARTY BUT I WILL GO SOLO MY SELS WITH THIS JOB

One good reason for the 30 requirement is for leveling subjobs. 37>50 goes quick for a job you never intended to use for anything but subjob. ^^

i like the idea of being able to burn jobs from 30 upward fast, but it's also really lame...i know fan base isn't what it used to be, and i know it's really hard to form an actual pt now and days for anything...but come on...i was for it in the beginning but once you get into a really good aby pt then see it decline extremely fast bc everyone and their mother is wanting to swap out to a lower lvl job and mooch...it's crazy...

If you are that keen on lvling outside of abyssea go ahead, they increased exp so yay for you. But i personally do not like waiting hours for an invite , until i get one when im afk or about to go to bed

I would rather see the cap be lowered.

I also want to point out that people were leaving before Abyssea were introduced, not because of. I take pride in my SMN/WHM/BLU/BRD , but certainly not because i leveled a very longtime to get it up, but because i enjoy playing the job. People have been searching ways to increase exp since before abyssea (overcamped colibri). I've been doing salvage for months now and have not seen a single gate widow pop its frustrating and when things like that add up, thats when you decide you need a break from the game.

I think they should lower it to level 1, instead of being as high as 30!

thats another problem with people, waiting for an EXP party? why are you waiting? Create your own, duo, trio, something, but dont stand there and pick your nose.

I know how this may sound, but I am strongly against raising level restriction from lvl 30 to lvl 70 in Abyssea.

Ive noticed that many people here concern themselves with equity and fair play among various players - but i rarely see
comments, where people actually think of raising lvl restriction, as of something that might just as well seem unfair to some of the players...

New players, returning players, casual gamers and such - might all feel neglected should SE react positively to this suggestion.

The game has changed, it is nobodys fault that leveling and gearing up a certain job before, took much more time than it does now. Why should only some benefit from Abyssea, if we all could?

Scores of players are returning every day - exactly because they think that they now have an equal chance to catch up and progress with the more experienced players on regular basis.

Principally i would be for level 70+ restriction, but since it hasnt been imposed from the very start - i see nothing fair in changing that now.

After all - if you dont like keywhores, dont be one, and dont invite them to your parties;
but as an old but a returning player, i have a feeling that its not any form of altruism, that bothers most people who are for this kind of change.

Why cant you just all be happy with your own progress ingame? Why is it so important to compare oneself with others?
(And yes, ive been only absent for the past two years - before i did stuff the hard way too. I know how it all looked before.)

Level 50 Cap. Forcibly make it so you can't obtain the AF3 if you don't have both af1 and af2. Makes it so you have to explore other areas of the game.

even I find that to be a bit much, the only problem is that leveling is no balanced through the world anymore, gear limitations like that would not really make a difference.

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Level 50 Cap. Forcibly make it so you can't obtain the AF3 if you don't have both af1 and af2. Makes it so you have to explore other areas of the game.

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Why would you want everyone to waste their time getting useless gear that they'l never equip before they can get af3?

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Why would you want everyone to waste their time getting useless gear that they'l never equip before they can get af3?

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useless? alot of AF makes for good gear swapping stuff later on, I use both AF and AF2 in gear swaps, that said though, yeah an AF restriction would be a bit silly. I think the best idea so far is the cap incrimintaions. 50/60/70

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useless? alot of AF makes for good gear swapping stuff later on, I use both AF and AF2 in gear swaps, that said though, yeah an AF restriction would be a bit silly. I think the best idea so far is the cap incrimintaions. 50/60/70

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90% of it is useless. Another 5% isn't worth the inventory space.

it doesn't matter most everybody have leeched all the jobs that that wanted to already. Beside that exp party are 4 noobs all of us that had job at 75 have been fully merited and capped along time ago. The age of the outside of abyssea exp party is dead. Abyssea is faster exp and the only reason why people still complain is because they have leech all there jobs so its wrong 4 anyone else to have the benefit that you have had. If you don't like leeches build your who party and stop complaining i had 8 job at level 75 b4 abyssea and i work extremely hard to do that and cap all there skills and i am not complaining. Get over it already most people that boost level like that are under capped gimped gear and no job experience.