Level 99 Relic, Mythic, Empyrean, and WoE Weapons

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It's been awhile since I've bothered posting anything on this forum but I figured I would break that by posting on this. Anyway I agree that the new weapons pretty much crush other weapons but instead of boosting the damage of the REM why not just down grade the damage from the new weapons? Also as far as needing the new weapons for the new content that as easy as cutting the HP of mobs like they've done in the past. It would preserve the effort of the REMs but also bring the new weapons to a reasonable form of content. if they are trying to bring back old school HNMs and bring back the battle plans there are better ways to do that like higher def monsters or other content which could prevent zergs. I apologize if this idea sounds stupid but it was just a thought.

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Originally Posted by Cahlum

What I will not stand for is weapons that are obtainable in a few hours have +100 dmg on REM.

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People seem to be forgetting that REMs have already been upgraded multiple times in the past... When you made your weapon, if it was really all that difficult for you, it was at 75 cap... And you were making a lvl 75 weapon... Everyone else had to let go of their 75 equipment a long time ago... It's time for you to get over the fact that you made a 75 weapon and you're not 75 anymore. New weapons, designed for 99, are better.

If you didn't make your Relic at 75, then I'm sorry, but it really wasn't all that hard for you. You have a few hours every day to mindlessly stand around in Dynamis and proc mobs... and you made a lot of gil selling choco blinkers and metal plates from VW... Good for you, congrats on your relic, but it's time to upgrade. (That's how MMOs work.)

If you made a Mythic (really unlikely, those are still pretty rare) I'm sorry, I really am, because that is still f***ing miserable... but again, it was designed to be a lvl 75 weapon.

Empys were designed with Abyssea content in mind, and if you had a NIN or MNK and could dual box a WHM then it was just a matter of time for you too. It's designed for easy mode.

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Originally Posted by RushLynx

People seem to be forgetting that REMs have already been upgraded multiple times in the past... When you made your weapon, if it was really all that difficult for you, it was at 75 cap... And you were making a lvl 75 weapon... Everyone else had to let go of their 75 equipment a long time ago... It's time for you to get over the fact that you made a 75 weapon and you're not 75 anymore. New weapons, designed for 99, are better.

If you didn't make your Relic at 75, then I'm sorry, but it really wasn't all that hard for you. You have a few hours every day to mindlessly stand around in Dynamis and proc mobs... and you made a lot of gil selling choco blinkers and metal plates from VW... Good for you, congrats on your relic, but it's time to upgrade. (That's how MMOs work.)

If you made a Mythic (really unlikely, those are still pretty rare) I'm sorry, I really am, because that is still f***ing miserable... but again, it was designed to be a lvl 75 weapon.

Empys were designed with Abyssea content in mind, and if you had a NIN or MNK and could dual box a WHM then it was just a matter of time for you too. It's designed for easy mode.

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A nin and a whm are not getting you a 99 emp only 85-90, not everyone had a chance to sell blinkers not gonna lie wish i had but i was not playing @ that time. Making a emp 99 is harder then a relic not as hard as a emp and regardless if they are base 75 weapons...

What happen when the aruic dagger and vermail bhuj came out higher dmg base then the relic right? ofc it was it was a lvl 80 weapon and relics where still 75 so what did SE do? add them to ToM for 85 cap also add mythics to the list and emps got there ws and aftermath.

Then again at 90, at his point most of the Heavy DD emps outclassed the relics a lot of ppl with relics complained like we are now but why should they have? emps where new content so wth right?

But no SE buffed the relics with ws dmg and add proc on hidden damage on the 95 to 99 trial mythics got another attack phase for there lvl 3 aftermath

And emps got slowed down by no longer going up by 5 with there attribute but by 2 then 3 and no ws dmg or aftermath change but its new content right?

Sorry but that is not how it works from the way SE had things if they wanted the weapons to not be top dog anymore then soon as the 80 hit they should have stayed at 75 you but instead they made ppl put more work/money into relics and mythics and ppl had to start investing money into emps.

Its not like we are talking about a lvl 90 R/M/E or a 95 even we are talking about a 99 i bet you don't have one because if you did you would know how much work and gil it takes if you didn't have the chance to sell blinkers, i know how it is and for all that just to make a legendary weapon the best SE better fix this mess they made.

Let me simplify this...

You're mad because an item you spent time on in an MMO, software that's designed to occupy your time, became obsolete in an update and you don't want to spend more time getting something new. You're mad that others spent their time in the game doing something else instead, and now new content requires that those players, and yourself, have access to more powerful weapons... No one took the item you worked for and invested time in away, they simply replaced it with one more suited to the new content. If you feel that invalidates the reward you put effort towards, perhaps you should reassess how you spend your time in game... it's supposed to be an enjoyable experience, not a job.

Let's suppose they upgrade RMEs to be vastly more powerful than the new weapons, but they add a modifier that makes it so they don't deal damage to Delve monsters... would you still be mad? Why?

Does the fact that other people have access to a powerful weapon without a tremendous amount of effort bother you? Does it make you feel like your previous reward is less valuable? It's not like they're giving away RMEs here (but, by the way, they already do that from time to time...), they just created a different item... we all recognize that you spent time, and may I be the first to say: "good for you".

Honestly to me its not so much the update anymore, Its this quasi-offensive, passive aggressive condescending Bullsh*t attitude most of the people praising this update seem to have, Sitting up on their high horse with the "Hey look, I sat on my ass and make excuses crying about how hard abyssea is long enough, now i dont have to get a RME! HAH ALL YOU PEOPLE WHO DID" mindset.

Personally I do see a few people here complaining just to complain, But what my argument boils down to is not replacing them, but the belief that people will actually bother with a gear-ladder system in FFXI, not one like they've implemented now.

Reives are all but dead on Asura, wildskeepers are rarely done, Skirmish is a f**king ghost town cause no ones going to pay 8mil for a shot at an item thats already useless. What they did when they released Delve is kill every reason to do old content, they don't understand their playerbase at all.

I've literally not met a single person so far who has done or said "Gee, I should go pay 8mil for skirmish weapons so i can try to get Delve weapons! Better do about 40 runs just to make sure i can get a +2 Stone for the best augments so i can immediately replace it after 4-5 Delve Battlefields!".

Basically, No ones climbing their Ladder, they've all jumped on the elevator to the top and are farming Delve, slowly, for the weapons. Its dumb, its not working, and pretty much the only thing to do now is Delve, while interesting and slow, will be outdated before most of you have all the Key Items...

This is what I am truly worried about, why bother trying to spend all this time and gil on this new equipment when its going to be 100% and fully outdated in about a month and i won't even have half of what there is to offer. Its not that equipment is being outdated, its the speed of which they expect to outdate it, While right now I've grown less GRR about it and am actually enjoying Delve (I even have the h2h), The fact of the matter is, I can't imagine excitement when .dat minning anymore, because its not going to be "Look for the handful of useful pieces", its going to be "Lets how exactly how useless my current gearsets going to be".

So if they continue with the "Gear ladder" mindset, which has already killed and burried many a MMO, it means that they're essentially killing any sense of longevity, outdating all the old content (cause no ones going to bother climbing their ladder), and making the game a "1 Event MMO" update after update.

Raise your hand if you paid a small fortune to enter skirmish since April 29th, anyone? no? Me either. its pointless. This is my biggest fear with their design direction.

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Originally Posted by RushLynx

Let me simplify this...

You're mad because an item you spent time on in an MMO, software that's designed to occupy your time, became obsolete in an update and you don't want to spend more time getting something new. You're mad that others spent their time in the game doing something else instead, and now new content requires that those players, and yourself, have access to more powerful weapons... No one took the item you worked for and invested time in away, they simply replaced it with one more suited to the new content. If you feel that invalidates the reward you put effort towards, perhaps you should reassess how you spend your time in game... it's supposed to be an enjoyable experience, not a job.

Let's suppose they upgrade RMEs to be vastly more powerful than the new weapons, but they add a modifier that makes it so they don't deal damage to Delve monsters... would you still be mad? Why?

Does the fact that other people have access to a powerful weapon without a tremendous amount of effort bother you? Does it make you feel like your previous reward is less valuable? It's not like they're giving away RMEs here (but, by the way, they already do that from time to time...), they just created a different item... we all recognize that you spent time, and may I be the first to say: "good for you".

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looks like SE is making the game for ppl like u, no R/E/M. Well congrats, have fun killing stuff with like minded individuals such as yourself. "good for you".

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

Honestly to me its not so much the update anymore, Its this quasi-offensive, passive aggressive condescending Bullsh*t attitude most of the people praising this update seem to have, Sitting up on their high horse with the "Hey look, I sat on my ass and make excuses crying about how hard abyssea is long enough, now i dont have to get a RME! HAH ALL YOU PEOPLE WHO DID" mindset.

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You guys seem to forget that you needed help to upgrade those weapons to 99. Many people, such as myself, spent countless hours at LS events and what not helping people obtain their relics and empys, not getting a whole lot out of it ourselves, only to be ignored when we asked for help ourselves. So this idea that people like me sat on our asses is pure arrogance... not all of us think entirely of ourselves, some of us prefer to spend our time in game helping others instead of growing our e-peens... because we recognize that MMOs, FFXI especially, are all about team work and collective endurance, rather than all about you. If I wanted to think entirely of myself and no one else, I'd go play a single player game.

Zones decaying, can't finish Coalition assignments. =(

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Originally Posted by Cahlum

People do not want their weapons to be nothing more than store able weapons for your mannequins.

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Ok, so ask for appearance tabs/vanity slots/appearance enchants/transmogrification and you'll continue to get use out of the weapons (and older gear) without forcing the developers to keep them relevant stat-wise.

This proposition for a 'fix' is obviously stating they have no intent on actually fixing it. What I don't get is why not? Relic/Mythic/Empyrean weapons are the perfect storm of MMO time sinks... lol. While time sinks suck for us, they're good for the developers. More time spent, more money made. Why not keep going with that? Why replace them something that takes a week to get? It makes no sense.

Just to reiterate some of the other problems this causes. Pets are worthless. Mages are worthless. Dual wielders are half-worthless. And I'm also skeptical of the economic repercussions of this... I mean it seems like a lot of the economy currently revolves around the various currencies for these weapons. With them essentially crashing(and thus all the old content you worked so hard to remake[again makes no sense]), how will this effect the economy as a whole?

I'm assuming a higher power interfered and thus this shitstorm. New CEO: "MAEK IT TIERED LIEK WOW GAIZ! WE'LL MAEK ZILLIONS~ /derpface"

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Originally Posted by RushLynx

You guys seem to forget that you needed help to upgrade those weapons to 99. Many people, such as myself, spent countless hours at LS events and what not helping people obtain their relics and empys, not getting a whole lot out of it ourselves, only to be ignored when we asked for help ourselves. So this idea that people like me sat on our asses is pure arrogance... not all of us think entirely of ourselves, some of us prefer to spend our time in game helping others instead of growing our e-peens... because we recognize that MMOs, FFXI especially, are all about team work and collective endurance, rather than all about you. If I wanted to think entirely of myself and no one else, I'd go play a single player game.

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I'm sorry you had to go through that but you seriously helped out a bunch of assholes. And even in that light your experiences don't invalidate what Karbuncle said.

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Originally Posted by RushLynx

You guys seem to forget that you needed help to upgrade those weapons to 99. Many people, such as myself, spent countless hours at LS events and what not helping people obtain their relics and empys, not getting a whole lot out of it ourselves, only to be ignored when we asked for help ourselves. So this idea that people like me sat on our asses is pure arrogance... not all of us think entirely of ourselves, some of us prefer to spend our time in game helping others instead of growing our e-peens... because we recognize that MMOs, FFXI especially, are all about team work and collective endurance, rather than all about you. If I wanted to think entirely of myself and no one else, I'd go play a single player game.

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I said most. Not all.

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You're also very hypocritical in this post. The hypocricy stems from the fact you became upset by a post or accusation not meant to be directed to you, and instead of actually understanding and reading the rest of my post, you then go on to yell about "MMO This" and "ALL ABOUT YOU", which i haven't even muttered a phrase of a single time anywhere in this entire thread so I'm vastly confused as the relevance of this. Considering, as i once again spell out below, I solo'd the majority of my relic.

So either you missed the point of my post or ignored it entirely, However I would recommend reading over it, because your post alone makes you seem foolish as you are completely off base.

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spent countless hours at LS events and what not helping people obtain their relics and empys, not getting a whole lot out of it ourselves

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This is a case of having sh*tty friends and in a sh*tty linkshell. Which sucks but I don't see how its our fault.

In my LS, I didn't get my Marrows and run, I helped at least 10 other people get multiple 99 Relics, so if we're going down the "BLAME EVERYONE FOR EVERYTHING" route, how about the hypocrisy of assuming relic owners leeched off the efforts of others? I solo'd 99% of my 95 Relic and the 75r currency, and only had help from a GF and my brother on rare occasions i got help.

Even when i did get my relic and my Brother Joined in helping me, In return, I farmed my brother an Excalibur, Gandiva, and Caladbolg... I'm may be the exception to the rule, but most if not all the people i know with relics got them by their own efforts, not leeching off others.

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Originally Posted by Alpheus

I'm sorry you had to go through that but you seriously helped out a bunch of assholes.

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Really he just needed a friend w/ WHM and they could've gotten themselves at least 85 Empys. Better to do these type of things by yourself or a few friends really. LS always look out for their biggest ass kissers. :\

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

I said most. Not all.

You're also very hypocritical in this post. The hypocricy stems from the fact you became upset by a post or accusation not meant to be directed to you, and instead of actually understanding and reading the rest of my post, you then go on to yell about "MMO This" and "ALL ABOUT YOU", which i haven't even muttered a phrase of a single time anywhere in this entire thread so I'm vastly confused as the relevance of this. Considering, as i once again spell out below, I solo'd the majority of my relic.

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It's not just me, and I'm not a minority here. When relics were in their original forms it was physically impossible for everyone to get one. They were extremely rare and took an entire LS years just to get one person a relic. The rest of us were rewarded with laughable payouts by today's standards (like less than 100k), and the relic armors, which of course aren't nearly as valuable today as relics still are. There are lots of us, at least those of us who didn't quit after the 75 cap broke, who were so sick of dynamis and relics and mythics by the time we could solo them that we had absolutely no desire to spend that kind of time on them... that doesn't make us lazy, by any means whatsoever. This idea that you guys spent so much time and effort on your relics that you demand upgrades, I've spent enough time over the years helping others with theirs that I should have like 20 relics by your standards, but I don't have any, and I'm okay with that... but I refuse to sit around and continue to watch the shouts in Jeuno refusing anyone who doesn't have an RME, and then come here to the forums to see you lot whining about your toys falling behind. These things shouldn't be required, they were never intended to be this common, and by no means should they be so common and so powerful that people feel the need to exclude anyone that doesn't have one.

Please note that empys ended up being the exact same way. Whole LSs farming items for one person's empy, the rest of us were rewarded with +2 items for our armors... Armors that are now quickly falling out of favor while you guys with the empys whine on the forums that your weapons don't feel as powerful as they use to.

Oh, but NNI armors are nice and only require 6 people to get too, easy stuff right? But wait, what's that? Oh yeah, you can't join a NNI static unless you have an RME... hmm....

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Originally Posted by RushLynx

You guys seem to forget that you needed help to upgrade those weapons to 99. Many people, such as myself, spent countless hours at LS events and what not helping people obtain their relics and empys, not getting a whole lot out of it ourselves, only to be ignored when we asked for help ourselves. So this idea that people like me sat on our asses is pure arrogance... not all of us think entirely of ourselves, some of us prefer to spend our time in game helping others instead of growing our e-peens... because we recognize that MMOs, FFXI especially, are all about team work and collective endurance, rather than all about you. If I wanted to think entirely of myself and no one else, I'd go play a single player game.

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Sadly that happens a lot, god knows a bunch of morons and arrogants in my LS got weapons before i did. Heck, they made me wait a year for my verethragna, i ended doing it way late with friends, like you many of us been in that awful position while others show their epeens sure, but is no reason to say every relic/empy mythic is an ass that gets one to brag.

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Originally Posted by RushLynx

but I refuse to sit around and continue to watch the shouts in Jeuno refusing anyone who doesn't have an RME.

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With all due respect you are a fool, you know why? just because these weapons will fall behind do not means people will stop shouting. Just the other day after out fight with Tchakka i warped back to Adoulin to watch a shout of someone asking relic/empy/skirmish/naakual ONLY weapons to join a Delve shout... so there you go, people will only take players with the new uber weapons, douchery dont go away because a weapon is obsolete and the newcomers w/o the uber weapons will suffer the same from elitists, sorry to burst your bubble.



As for reive and such, is truly absurd how they released delve this soon, maybe if they did introduce delve in 6 months (or maybe later) would make sense but right now nullified not just old content but Skirmish and fighting a naakual, aside of the KI is pointless when weapons from delve make naakual and skirmish loot obsolete.

Honestly IDK if i agree or disagree with your post but this one thing stuck out.

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Delve shout... so there you go, people will only take players with the new uber weapons, douchery dont go away because a weapon is obsolete and the newcomers w/o the uber weapons will suffer the same from elitists, sorry to burst your bubble.

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This content was designed to be nearly or literally impossible without these weapons and adequate gear. Wanting to not fail a run or spend 8 hours zombie-killing an NM has nothing to do with Elitism or being a douchebag, nor does requesting the players you invite be of top grade gear level. Delve NMs are insanely hard, and unless you're a BLU, without RME or D/N/S weapons there is a significant stunt in your damage output. They were designed for best of the best players in their "Gear ladder".

If you get tired of seeing them shouts, shout yourself and invite whoever you want, and you can wipe/zombie it for 8 hours... Not trying to discourage you, but these new weapons you won't be able to access unless you're great geared, or you come as a support job like BRD or COR... not because you wont physically be invited, but because without proper gear you'll either fail miserably or you'll end up Zombie-ing in for ~8hours, which I'm sure they're in the process of nerfing/patching.

Plasm Farming you can do without a RME or D/N/S weapon, but the NMs require a certain level of gear... which I'm sad to say most players will not possess, hell most of my jobs don't possess it simply due to my lack of interest in them.

So despite them being easier to obtain than relics, You won't be able to get them reliably without top end gear/weapons anyway...

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Originally Posted by Cybermario

With all due respect you are a fool, you know why? just because these weapons will fall behind do not means people will stop shouting. Just the other day after out fight with Tchakka i warped back to Adoulin to watch a shout of someone asking relic/empy/skirmish/naakual ONLY weapons to join a Delve shout... so there you go, people will only take players with the new uber weapons, douchery dont go away because a weapon is obsolete and the newcomers w/o the uber weapons will suffer the same from elitists, sorry to burst your bubble.

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These sorts of shouts weren't possible until RMEs were easy enough to obtain that like 30-40% of the player base had them and they continued to receive buffs. The fact of the matter is that RMEs should have stopped getting upgrades a long time ago when they became solo-able, and they should have been paralleled by things like pulse weapons. Continuing to upgrade them now will not fix this, it will only make it worse.

To that end had they not continued to upgrade RMEs maybe we wouldn't be in this awkward balance fiasco where new content seems impossible without them. People would accept that there's some other way to do the content that's not readily accessible, actually climb this gear ladder devs keep referring to, and stop trying to brute-force their way up the Delve tiers.

Was trying to be nice earlier, but you're basically confessing you're too lazy to equip yourself properly and expect the devs to cater to you so... Yeah. RME onry is a good thing as far as I'm concerned. Why should we do the work for you? :\

To be honest, I'm not really sure why I play anymore, I log in, I stand around trying to think of something to do, and I log having thought of nothing. When I think about it, I wasn't sure why I played before, but I had friends to do things with, and it was fun. I see the game changing around me and I don't like it. I'm gonna stick around awhile longer just to see what happens.

EDIT: I suppose one idea is to level WHM and use that to gear my other jobs... Maybe?

@Karbuncle indeed, our LS is pretty organized and we all are well geared, this issue dont affect me but im able to empathize with the people that isnt fortunate to have a good LS or a lowman group for NNI. Mainly commentng there's people thinking certain attitude will go away with an outdated weapon, will not.

Crutan and RushLynx I <3 you. Will you be my bff? tarutaru /lick

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Originally Posted by RushLynx

These sorts of shouts weren't possible until RMEs were easy enough to obtain that like 30-40% of the player base had them and they continued to receive buffs. The fact of the matter is that RMEs should have stopped getting upgrades a long time ago when they became solo-able, and they should have been paralleled by things like pulse weapons. Continuing to upgrade them now will not fix this, it will only make it worse.

To that end had they not continued to upgrade RMEs maybe we wouldn't be in this awkward balance fiasco where new content seems impossible without them. People would accept that there's some other way to do the content that's not readily accessible, actually climb this gear ladder devs keep referring to, and stop trying to brute-force their way up the Delve tiers.

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There is absolutely no reason why the RME weapons can't be upgraded to an equal or slightly stronger form than the delve weapons themselves via drops from delve thus facilitating the ability for RME owners to keep their weapons while helping out people who just want delve weapons...

Other than you just wanting to see RME owners suffer.

Ideally, both weapons could have strengths and weaknesses. That would add to the popularity of delve or whatever comes after it. Stop acting like people want to just have their damage bonus for free.

Rush... Were you just too lazy to dedicate 50 hours a week to this game, forgoing sleep, farming endless tree cuttings, growing endless tree cuttings and saplings, harvesting dark ores.... Oh wait you probably didn't even play back then. So how could you possibly know where this "balance fiasco" came from let alone have a weapon you prize more than the game itself. The balance concept came from SE and the REMs are not the cause but they are effected by balance. Balance is what SE says when they don't have any other explanation or when they just want you to take what they are selling and kindly take a cup of shush and go have a seat.

But more seriously, it first came about when talk of certain jobs being over powered arose, IN TWO THOUSAND AND FOUR, when they nerfed RNG into the Stone Age. At first, since there was no forum, no ~dev team coordinators~ we just heard about balance in the update notes and basically had to suck it. But now it's just way over used.

Now, to be realistic, lets just take the average jump in base DMG of any REM from level 95 to 99, a five level difference, it's between 4 and 11 damage depending on what weapon. Lets take a look at the jump we just made, of between 70 and 120 base DMG from a 99 weapon that was the best of the best at the end of march and a 99 weapon near or at the top at the BEGINNING OF MAY OF THE SAME YEAR. That's a rediculous jump. If anything should have made that jump, it is REM. the time to make them is disproportionate entirely to their standing and SE promised that those weapons would remain at the top of their respective classes. But it's obvious with the sudden influx of TH+ items for pets that we can't keep REMs on top... Oh yeah, SE has lied to us before so let's stop arguing and bitching and just present a mature united front with a great number of good suggestions and not accept anything but our due.

What is our due... Well we have been paying that same dollar amount for 10 years for a game that's graphics are so outdated it looks like a Nintendo 64 game.... If we pay for this crap, then we deserve to have that 3 man dev team fix our damn REMs and maybe have one less smoke break because as it has been pointed out, it would take maybe an hour to add 70 base DMG across the board to all REMs, or 70 to 1handers and 100 to 2handers, so add an extra 20 mins on there, and TADA everyone is happy.

Thanks

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Originally Posted by Kojo

To be honest, I'm not really sure why I play anymore, I log in, I stand around trying to think of something to do, and I log having thought of nothing. When I think about it, I wasn't sure why I played before, but I had friends to do things with, and it was fun. I see the game changing around me and I don't like it. I'm gonna stick around awhile longer just to see what happens.
EDIT: I suppose one idea is to level WHM and use that to gear my other jobs... Maybe?

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It's definitely the path I took when I started playing 3 years ago and with a bit of luck of running into people I got along with, I'd like to think being willing to do things like have WHM, SCH, COR prepped to fill in those roles; presented me with quite a few opportunities to get where I'm at today in game. Find a niche, see if filling it would in turn leave you fulfilled with some sense of enjoyment and try to thrive in that niche. That's the approach I've taken with the game. Granted it was tempered with cold hard facts such as not thinking I can out DD a main DD on RDM or WHM melee on anything worthwhile.

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Originally Posted by Alpheus

It's definitely the path I took when I started playing 3 years ago and with a bit of luck of running into people I got along with, I'd like to think being willing to do things like have WHM, SCH, COR prepped to fill in those roles; presented me with quite a few opportunities to get where I'm at today in game. Find a niche, see if filling it would in turn leave you fulfilled with some sense of enjoyment and try to thrive in that niche. That's the approach I've taken with the game. Granted it was tempered with cold hard facts such as not thinking I can out DD a main DD on RDM or WHM melee on anything worthwhile.

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I'll only use WHM as a utility job, also I want to hit things with a hammer when not doing something important.

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Originally Posted by RushLynx

You guys seem to forget that you needed help to upgrade those weapons to 99. Many people, such as myself, spent countless hours at LS events and what not helping people obtain their relics and empys, not getting a whole lot out of it ourselves, only to be ignored when we asked for help ourselves. So this idea that people like me sat on our asses is pure arrogance... not all of us think entirely of ourselves, some of us prefer to spend our time in game helping others instead of growing our e-peens... because we recognize that MMOs, FFXI especially, are all about team work and collective endurance, rather than all about you. If I wanted to think entirely of myself and no one else, I'd go play a single player game.

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I didn't do my with any ls i did mine with RL friends i have and we all have them so thats not always true, also i am working on delve stuff its not gonna stop me from getting better but i think the R/M/E should be upgraded if its 99.

ppl like you don't really play for the reason i play you guys don't really work to be the best so why should they let you have the best weapons now so easy? gear also since you get it the same way

Also... Rush, you just either had the worst luck or something is just wrong on your server. I would take people without REMs to NNI, it was 50% luck anyway with the lamps. Half the time if you won you had like 8 minutes left over because of lucky jumps.

Anyway and about way back when.... Are you crazy dude? You getting 100k and getting AFs for participating in dynamis was a gift... I was in shells before I made my own with the help of Cyronea that made you PAY for your part of the glass lol.... So before you discount the endless days upon days that someone else spent to be 1 of 2 people on their server with an Excalibur.... Please have the courtesy to have actually done it yourself or at least take that into account.

Are relics too common: No. Should people be excluded for not having one: No. Is the game still on easy mode: Yes.

What has everyone been screaming for: strategy. It's what we used to have to use to beat gods, jailers and kings.

SE fix the REMs, bring back the golden era of FFXI

FFXI RIP. goodbye

fix it now... or say goodbye to your job.

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Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

There is absolutely no reason why the RME weapons can't be upgraded to an equal or slightly stronger form than the delve weapons themselves via drops from delve thus facilitating the ability for RME owners to keep their weapons while helping out people who just want delve weapons...

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No one is preventing RME owners from keeping their weapons. Even if they were nerfed to 1 dmg, still, no one is forcing anyone to toss their weapons. As it stands, though, the only people with access to the new weapons are those with the old weapons, at multiple angles of approach. Judging by people's track record with pretty much anything difficult in this game, I don't see very many people turning around after getting through the new content and saying "Hey guys, let me spend some time to help you through it too." No, they're going to immediately go to the next stuff and proceed with acting like douche-bags. 'Well, I could help you out now, but that sounds like a lot of work... and I need all this stuff for myself...'

There are a lot of people in here who seem appalled by the notion that people simply take and swindle their way to the top in this game. I've played this game for 10 years, and it's pretty much always been that way when it comes to end-game content. What magical land do you people live in, where selfishness and greed aren't predominant traits of humanity?

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Originally Posted by AldielQuetz

Oh wait you probably didn't even play back then.

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I'm really tired of this fallacy wherein we attempt to discredit people by suggesting that they "didn't play back then..." So here, have a screen shot:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y48...hots/Val03.jpg

There, now where's your proof of superiority? Go on, let's compare dick sizes while we're at it.

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Originally Posted by RushLynx

No one is preventing RME owners from keeping their weapons. Even if they were nerfed to 1 dmg, still, no one is forcing anyone to toss their weapons. As it stands, though, the only people with access to the new weapons are those with the old weapons, at multiple angles of approach. Judging by people's track record with pretty much anything difficult in this game, I don't see very many people turning around after getting through the new content and saying "Hey guys, let me spend some time to help you through it too." No, they're going to immediately go to the next stuff and proceed with acting like douche-bags. 'Well, I could help you out now, but that sounds like a lot of work... and I need all this stuff for myself...'

There are a lot of people in here who seem appalled by the notion that people simply take and swindle their way to the top in this game. I've played this game for 10 years, and it's pretty much always been that way when it comes to end-game content. What magical land do you people live in, where selfishness and greed aren't predominant traits of humanity?

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To summarize nearly all of RushLynx's posts to save some of you some time:

"Waaaah waaaah, the people I chose to hang around treated me like shit. Therefore, everyone else should suffer now because my past experiences have tainted any visions of civility in this game. Greed and selfishness! This is the way of the world! How can you not agree with me? Clearly I'm right! I've been wronged! All those who chose to spend their time with friends in the past must suffer now! There's evil afoot! EVIL!"

http://i.imgur.com/W4fP0Z8.jpg


There is an intelligent way to make this argument, and Rush is doing it wrong.

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Therefore, everyone else should suffer now because my past experiences have tainted any visions of civility in this game.

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Yeah, clearly I think you should suffer... and by suffer I mean your item should remain the exact same item it was when you earned it instead of constantly being remedied to compete in new content while the rest of us have to replace our gear.

Suggesting that you shouldn't automatically start every update with an unfair advantage over the rest of us is CLEARLY consistent with suggesting that you should suffer...

You know what, here's a solution to this that supersedes my fears. Make a new tier of magian trials for these weapons, but make the trials hundreds of kills on each new NM. That way the rest of us will have an opportunity to take part in the new content and get relevant weapons and gear while these guys continue upgrading their precious toys.

I suspect the prospect will be mute after a while anyways when they inevitably obtain the new weapons while doing the trials and opt for using those instead of continuing the upgrade in the first place. Meanwhile the damage on the new weapons will give the rest of us a place in the alliance because it will no longer seem necessary to require everyone to have an RME, there will be plenty of damage without.

(Incoming a hundred people whining that this would be too much and threatening to quit if they don't get their way. They're so hardcore, after all, and they're willing to put in so much more time and effort than the rest of us on what REALLY matters, themselves.)

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Originally Posted by RushLynx

Yeah, clearly I think you should suffer... and by suffer I mean your item should remain the exact same item it was when you earned it instead of constantly being remedied to compete in new content while the rest of us have to replace our gear.

Suggesting that you shouldn't automatically start every update with an unfair advantage over the rest of us is CLEARLY consistent with suggesting that you should suffer...

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Before I respond, I really and honestly need to know...

Are you serious?

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Originally Posted by Alerith

Before I respond, I really and honestly need to know...

Are you serious?

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Let me ask you something... How does leaving something you earned a while ago the exact same way it was then somehow equate to making you suffer? I'm gonna go get a cookie, it tastes better than your cookie that you went out of your way to spend $100 on, but you can have one of these at the same price I paid, $5. Are you suffering yet?

I believe that just because you felt your cookie was worth $100 doesn't mean that the bakery that sold it to you should have to go out of their way to make it better than the $5 cookie. I also believe that your $100 cookie should not be a prerequisite for people to buy the $5 cookie, and I resent the notion that your $100 cookie somehow makes you a better, more qualified, person than me... Currently that's what's happening, is this simple enough for you?

Might I add that your cookie was purchased weeks ago, while my cookie was made yesterday. Meanwhile, we both paid an entry fee, the same entry fee, to tour the new bakery, and you're mad when you see the display case with the $5 cookies...

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Originally Posted by RushLynx

I'm really tired of this fallacy wherein we attempt to discredit people by suggesting that they "didn't play back then..." So here, have a screen shot:

There, now where's your proof of superiority? Go on, let's compare dick sizes while we're at it.

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I remember when Stoneskin was nerfed. (It used to overwrite itself.) And when a pair of jokers pulled goblins to both sides of the zoneline near the popular Yhoater goblin exp camp. And when worker crawlers (and one soldier crawler) camped the entrance to crawler's nest, feeding on anyone foolish enough to enter. I remember.. hey, get off my lawn!

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Let me ask you something... How does leaving something you earned a while ago the exact same way it was then somehow equate to making you suffer? I'm gonna go get a cookie, it tastes better than your cookie that you went out of your way to spend $100 on, but you can have one of these at the same price I paid, $5. Are you suffering yet?

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SE is not leaving the RME the way they are. They would be the same in a system whose parameters are unchanged.
The moment the system's parameters's max value have changed, they have been worsened, maybe indirectly, but they have been!
You talk about unfair advantage. Why's unfair? It's unfair because people have accomplished more stuff than you and can join those events earlier than you? What should they do? Stop playing and wait for you to reach their level?
People work hard to get the best equip to increase their desiderability. Why should their "status" get crumbled by a poorly thought update? Because the others are too lazy to dedicate theirseleves to something? (talking about strangers. if you helped someone, the least they can do is help you back, of course.)
Wanna call it e-peen? Do it if you want, but it's what this kind of games is based on or you would have seen pink nins and perle wars everywhere and this game wouldn't have lasted so long.

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Originally Posted by Zohno

SE is not leaving the RME the way they are. They would be the same in a system whose parameters are unchanged.
The moment the system's parameters's max value have changed, they have been worsened, maybe indirectly, but they have been!
You talk about unfair advantage. Why's unfair? It's unfair because people have accomplished more stuff than you and can join those events earlier than you? What should they do? Stop playing and wait for you to reach their level?
People work hard to get the best equip to increase their desiderability. Why should their "status" get crumbled by a poorly thought update? Because the others are too lazy to dedicate theirseleves to something? (talking about strangers. if you helped someone, the least they can do is help you back, of course.)
Wanna call it e-peen? Do it if you want, but it's what this kind of games is based on or you would have seen pink nins and perle wars everywhere and this game wouldn't have lasted so long.

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This is impossible. Let me try one last time.

Some of us have always felt that the effort/reward ratio for REMs was inadequate for us to chase after. We chose to spend our game time doing other things, like helping people and crafting... Filling other gear slots instead, or we preferred another weapon and worked towards obtaining that one. We still built up our characters, we have great armor that should be fine for new content, but there's a problem...

People feel that the new expansion requires REMs, leaving the rest of us on the sidelines, even though we have better gear than some people with REMs do. I see people in town every day with upgraded relics while the rest of their equipment is a joke. That's bad prioritizing in my opinion. I feel that this isn't the way that it should be, and that by giving in and upgrading them at this point, it would only perpetuate the idea that REMs are required for end-game content, they're not, and they shouldn't be... they never have been. I understand that some of you felt that the effort/reward ratio was adequate when you built your REM, but that's how these games work. Things get replaced. It has literally always been that way every time a new expansion was released.

Do I think those of you with REMs should suffer? No, I don't. But I see an overwhelming sense of false superiority in these forums from REM holders, constantly suggesting that those of us without REMs somehow don't deserve the opportunity to take part in new content just because we didn't spend our time upgrading the same slot or grinding through the same content as you did.

To the devs this is not 2005 guys. Where the players played the shit you guys maked and nobody could complain or do something for stop it

Is 2013 now, everything has evolve, the players in the 2013 will no acept shit they dont like. In the 2013 we expect a expansion x1000 times better than treasures of aht urhgan.

At 2013 we dont will eat all the Silly ideas the dev team have.

If you guys can fix this issue with the R/M/E weapons. Dear Matsui ask Naoki Yoshida for a few ideas, take a coffe with him and talk about how you can handle FFXI, Naoki have a lot of exp in the MMRPG industry, he acepted, he played TERA, ,aion, Wow etc. Ask him a few ideas, because Tanaka and you lack of necesary knowedge how Run a MMRPG.

And please take only the good elements from that games, not the worst elements, like outdate the gear every 15 days.

For Support to the R/M/E Guys. Im canceling my Alt account is the acoount i use for farm Dynamis