Walk of the no Coin drops??? formerly Walk of echoes

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Originally Posted by Olor

Yes, because shouting for a random (who may or may not be a complete idiot) is a lot easier than just showing up to WoE on BST and joining the other people who are kicking butt.

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That's why I don't want to farm anymore Empyreans. I get so pissed off with the scrubs from pugs LOL.

Re: Septimus

I still consider non Tahrongi empyreans less effort than those 8 staves you did.

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

Uh

Though i firmly believe Walk of Echoes sucks, when it comes to "Coins". Especially if you're trying to do just 1 Weapon. You have a 1 in 5 chance of getting the coin you want, If you even get a coin. Where as with Empyreans, You kill NM, You get at least 1 of the item you want.

Walk of Echoes is more of a dumb luck system, Empyrean farming is a tangible goal, where you can actually make a Min/Max Timeline of how long/how many kills it should take. You cannot do this with WoE as you have no guaranteed drop.

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I guess since I really don't give a damn about making the weapon but I am making progress anyway, it seems better.

My shell has like 6-9 people on at a time, 3 of those not even at level cap at any given time. And then half of the rest who are at cap are too busy helping themselves to work on other people's crap. And despite what people say about these weapons being soloable, I just don't see myself taking down a lot of them given I don't already have the best gear etc. I mean maybe when you're a nin with Kannagi working on another weapon they are "soloable" with a D-boxed whm... but yeah, doesn't seem realistic for an average, casual player.

It's actually kind of frustrating to see people who have a lot of resources talk about how easy it is to get an empyrean. It isn't that easy for an average player in a small shell with other casual players.

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Originally Posted by Olor

I guess since I really don't give a damn about making the weapon but I am making progress anyway, it seems better.

My shell has like 6-9 people on at a time, 3 of those not even at level cap at any given time. And then half of the rest who are at cap are too busy helping themselves to work on other people's crap. And despite what people say about these weapons being soloable, I just don't see myself taking down a lot of them given I don't already have the best gear etc. I mean maybe when you're a nin with Kannagi working on another weapon they are "soloable" with a D-boxed whm... but yeah, doesn't seem realistic for an average, casual player.

It's actually kind of frustrating to see people who have a lot of resources talk about how easy it is to get an empyrean. It isn't that easy for an average player in a small shell with other casual players.

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Why would you stay in a LS like that?

You're BST... You have a pet that can attain I believe its -87.5% PDT(I think you can get more but that's the new cap) and at least -60%MDT... If you can't see how Emp NMs are soloable by your job then I don't know.

Edit: The only NM while going for level 85 Emps I can think of that BST could have issues with is Bukhis if it spams Apocalyptic Ray

Get the part where I said I don't have the best gear yet?

Also I stay in the shell because they are my friends, and to me, friends are more important than digital gear. They have helped me tons in the past (and have gotten me a lot of nice stuff, atheling mantle, pony ring) but I am not about to ask them to dedicate their limited playtime to getting ME a weapon. Besides, if I ever do try to convince them to help me with anything it will definitely be the empy harp.

Ever tried talking it out? No less than 2 of my friends have NP with it since we reached an agreement about working on improving our chars as a group, the rest have other commitments and I respect that. If they also have the desire to attain an Emp or other weapons/armor there is no reason you can't help each other and come to an agreement about it.

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Originally Posted by Olor

Get the part where I said I don't have the best gear yet?

Also I stay in the shell because they are my friends, and to me, friends are more important than digital gear. They have helped me tons in the past (and have gotten me a lot of nice stuff, atheling mantle, pony ring) but I am not about to ask them to dedicate their limited playtime to getting ME a weapon. Besides, if I ever do try to convince them to help me with anything it will definitely be the empy harp.

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You can solo -PDT Axes. You can solo the quests for Ducal Guard Atma. You can solo Sirrush for leg seals, also you can just ask groups farming it for the KI for the seals.

The only thing you need a group for is some of the fights to get Anwig Salade.

Sounds to me like you prefer to make excuses.

I don't buy them being "friends", my LS works in smaller groups within the LS (keep in mind we're like 10-15 total), Rorien and I do 90% of the stuff we want as a duo with mules available as needed, the rest of the group does what they want. The moment either group needs/wants help or has something the other group benefits from we join up and do it together. To me that's what friends are, to me that's what a good LS should be. But to each their own I guess if you see them as friends sucks you don't have better friends.

Edit: To clarify you can do the solos I mentioned with AH gear.

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Originally Posted by Neisan_Quetz

Re: Septimus

I still consider non Tahrongi empyreans less effort than those 8 staves you did.

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If it weren't for the fact that I soloed a good 75% of the summoning staves I would agree. (I am 4 of 8 on damage staves for BLM now and working on the rest. I really hate myself...) When you have to get other people involved with farming, I consider that a huge increase in effort. With the elemental staves, it is something that you can do by yourself; you don't need to waste other people's time to help you hold KIs or proc for something that doesn't benefit them.

But the problem is that the only good weapon for my jobs (Ukonvasara) is a Tahrongi weapon. (And I doubt that Square wants to be blamed for any puppy punching incidents.) The only weapon that I would really want (Farsha) is terrible, the single worst Empyrean Weapon, and one of the hardest to get because of the constant competition for Fistule. So yeah, this is why I will make do with out an Empyrean.

Agreed, my job list is pretty terrible myself, my best emp is Ukon and we eventually decided we weren't going to grind through it (plus I had rl commitment to military) so it took much longer including time I was away from game. Whm emp is a joke to me and the only other one I need is sword which is on the back burner due to staves. I really do think I could have finished sword if i spent the time on it over staves.

I have the legs, have -8% pet pdt axes, have done part of ducal guard stuff etc... but don't find soloing multiple nms down for a couple items (out of a metric ton needed) using up all of my playtime to be fun. Not saying it can't be done, but would rather not spend months of playtime for a weapon I don't need to enjoy myself in the game.

Nevermind that it costs a lot to solo effectively on bst which means I would still have to be farming my arse off in between. No thanks. Oh and almost no procs... yeah great so not only would soloing down the empy nms cost a fortune, it would also drop next to nothing...

I'm glad that you find getting an empy to be easy. But I find spending all my limited playtime farming NMs to be boring. So, whatever. /shrugs. Also have you soloed these things on bst? Cause if you haven't, please do before you tell me it is easy. Sounds like you're duoing and Dboxing (so 4 manning). Nevermind that when I have to pet swap stuff would be going yellow and some arse like you would be likely to snag it.

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Originally Posted by Septimus

The only weapon that I would really want (Farsha) is terrible.

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This. This.

And bard harp is only other... but yeah. Please tell me how easy it is to get colourless souls. I dare you.

Could we at least agree that the phrase "casually making an 85 Empyrean" is a little misleading, because there is a huge difference between trying to make a La Theine Empyrean two hours at a time and trying to make a Tahrongi?

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Originally Posted by Olor

I'm glad that you find getting an empy to be easy. But I find spending all my limited playtime farming NMs to be boring. So, whatever. /shrugs. Also have you soloed these things on bst? Cause if you haven't, please do before you tell me it is easy. Sounds like you're duoing and Dboxing (so 4 manning). Nevermind that when I have to pet swap stuff would be going yellow and some arse like you would be likely to snag it.

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Rorien and I both leveled BST originally so we could solo/duo NMs. At the time I also leveled SMN for the same reason Later on we got mules (his g/f's character and one for my wife if she ever decides to give the game a shot)

So yes soloed them.

Is it practical? No.
Is it efficient? No.
Is it possible? Yes, even in nonbest gear/atma it just costs more gil.

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Originally Posted by Olor

This. This.

And bard harp is only other... but yeah. Please tell me how easy it is to get colourless souls. I dare you.

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For T2 Titan can be soloed with yuly. Seen it before. Garuda can be soloed by SMN. Seen it and done it for fun.

For T3 MNK + WHM or THF + WHM is easy (decent MDT for swapping into is about all you need that's pricey) but requires a duo. Sorry haven't done it solo personally or seen anyone solo without a brew. That said I could see Leviathan being soloed or Ifrit but it probably requires good gear and lots of resources.

Edit: I take that back, bar bad luck period since you can Miga the 2hour and backtank until recast if you're that worried about dying.

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Originally Posted by Neisan_Quetz

Edit: I take that back, bar bad luck period since you can Miga the 2hour and backtank until recast if you're that worried about dying.

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Did they change Leviathan so it does the 2hour besides as a just before death move?

Haven't fought him in awhile actually, last time I remember taking it from a nin who wiped (mule whm was dead and mule blm was getting beat on when it went yellow) so I figured it was to 2hour... Now I'm starting to doubt it was...

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Originally Posted by Olor

I guess since I really don't give a damn about making the weapon but I am making progress anyway, it seems better.

My shell has like 6-9 people on at a time, 3 of those not even at level cap at any given time. And then half of the rest who are at cap are too busy helping themselves to work on other people's crap. And despite what people say about these weapons being soloable, I just don't see myself taking down a lot of them given I don't already have the best gear etc. I mean maybe when you're a nin with Kannagi working on another weapon they are "soloable" with a D-boxed whm... but yeah, doesn't seem realistic for an average, casual player.

It's actually kind of frustrating to see people who have a lot of resources talk about how easy it is to get an empyrean. It isn't that easy for an average player in a small shell with other casual players.

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Just to elaborate in what he said about soloing. I have seen quite a few Japanese ninjas solo farming briareus pop items and briareus himself. And I do mean SOLO. I wouldn't do it myself though cause ninja doesn't have all red procs and because I have had briareus use his two hour on us 5 times in one fight. I have never seen anyone solo Sobek though.

Assuming /war and halloween event polearm Ninja can get 11/13 with staff merits/the staff skill Hachimaki. /Dnc is a little under half of them if I remember right.

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Originally Posted by svengalis

Just to elaborate in what he said about soloing. I have seen quite a few Japanese ninjas solo farming briareus pop items and briareus himself. And I do mean SOLO. I wouldn't do it myself though cause ninja doesn't have all red procs and because I have had briareus use his two hour on us 5 times in one fight.

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For Bri fight NIN/DNC shouldn't have any TP moves go off. Keep Stutter Step capped on him and Violent Flourish when he readies any TP move. Even with a NIN and THF on him he didn't gain enough TP to spam moves faster than the 30 sec recast on VF. I don't ever recall the Stun not landing out of 100 helms, missed a few steps but not VF.

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Originally Posted by Neisan_Quetz

Assuming /war and halloween event polearm Ninja can get 11/13 with staff merits/the staff skill Hachimaki. /Dnc is a little under half of them if I remember right.

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Who solo's on nin/war?

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Originally Posted by Zagen

For Bri fight NIN/DNC shouldn't have any TP moves go off. Keep Stutter Step capped on him and Violent Flourish when he readies any TP move. Even with a NIN and THF on him he didn't gain enough TP to spam moves faster than the 30 sec recast on VF. I don't ever recall the Stun not landing out of 100 helms, missed a few steps but not VF.

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Hmm weird we were only nin and thf and yeah I have never seen him do it before but he did 2 hour 5 times on us. And VF does not always land.

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Originally Posted by Neisan_Quetz

Haven't fought him in awhile actually, last time I remember taking it from a nin who wiped (mule whm was dead and mule blm was getting beat on when it went yellow) so I figured it was to 2hour... Now I'm starting to doubt it was...

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ugh nevermind.

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Originally Posted by svengalis

Who solo's on nin/war?

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I know for a fact at least one person managed all 3 pre req NMs nin/war and killed Bri nin/thf.

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Originally Posted by Olor

...but I am not about to ask them to dedicate their limited playtime to getting ME a weapon.

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Never mind that if we start doing Salvage regularly, I'm convincing everyone else in the shell to make the first mythic we try and make be an Aymur. :D

The drop rate of anything in WoE is appalling. SE just keep screwing over their player base. After all the good work they did with Abyssea, the WoE drop rates of anything good (e.g. the new spells etc) are really bad. Who has the time nowadays to spend hundreds of hours of WoE grinding, which isn't even fun anymore - you do it because you want the drops. The actual 'battles' are just a pain, trying to be 1 of the 36 people who can enter is a pain too. This is back to the old school of SE's sadistic idea of "fun". They really screwed it up again. /Sigh

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That's what I gathered from the last several pages...

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Originally Posted by Tinderil

The drop rate of anything in WoE is appalling.

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I seem to be getting 2-5 drops, a mix of coins and pouches (eg pouch, coin, coin, pouch, coin last run) every run in flux 7. That's hardly appalling.

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Originally Posted by noodles355

I seem to be getting 2-5 drops, a mix of coins and pouches (eg pouch, coin, coin, pouch, coin last run) every run in flux 7. That's hardly appalling.

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Coins and pouches every run? Then you're very lucky.

I'm getting coins about 70% of the time (usually 1-2), 1 pouch 10% and no coins 20%. Which is not that appalling either however of the few times I've gotten pouches - 4 were Ruins (7, 7, 9, and 9 in each) and only 1 pouch of Glory (4), and 1 pouch of Adv. (4).

Last run - ruin coin / log / ruin pouch / ingot / ruin coin...

I have twice as much Ruin coins as the other types. Really wish you can convert them as I need 60 decay. Luckily I can still use adv, glory and birth for various other weapons. But I'll be full up on those with many extras before I get to 60 Decay.

I don't understand why Ruin coins are used only for staff...which no one makes.
Of course we'll never get an answer for that.

/endrant

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Originally Posted by MDenham

Never mind that if we start doing Salvage regularly, I'm convincing everyone else in the shell to make the first mythic we try and make be an Aymur. :D

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That would be hawt but I don't have the patience.

Everyone Spam Bump this thread and maybe they'll take the time to do something about the crap rate of coins, I'm sick of getting crafting materials. I mean.. really.. what kind of reward is that. >.> Maybe if we demand enough and they fix it properly, then just maybe they'll learn how to fix other problems(Voidwatch >.>).

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Originally Posted by Jaffa

Everyone Spam Bump this thread and maybe they'll take the time to do something about the crap rate of coins, I'm sick of getting crafting materials. I mean.. really.. what kind of reward is that. >.> Maybe if we demand enough and they fix it properly, then just maybe they'll learn how to fix other problems(Voidwatch >.>).

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The coin drop rates are not that bad if you do flux 7. It's the spells and devious dies which don't come in pouches.

40 pages and you don't think there is a problem? lol

I've been spamming flux 7, I've completed Staff 5 times over. And I'm still sitting at 7 Advancement coins >.>

Big problem to me

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Originally Posted by yinn

Coins and pouches every run? Then you're very lucky.

I'm getting coins about 70% of the time (usually 1-2), 1 pouch 10% and no coins 20%. Which is not that appalling either however of the few times I've gotten pouches - 4 were Ruins (7, 7, 9, and 9 in each) and only 1 pouch of Glory (4), and 1 pouch of Adv. (4).

Last run - ruin coin / log / ruin pouch / ingot / ruin coin...

I have twice as much Ruin coins as the other types. Really wish you can convert them as I need 60 decay. Luckily I can still use adv, glory and birth for various other weapons. But I'll be full up on those with many extras before I get to 60 Decay.

I don't understand why Ruin coins are used only for staff...which no one makes.
Of course we'll never get an answer for that.

/endrant

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He's not "very lucky." I have a similar experience. I virtually always get at least one coin, often 2-3 and occasionally more- for minimal effort.

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I've been spamming flux 7, I've completed Staff 5 times over. And I'm still sitting at 7 Advancement coins >.>

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That's just your bad luck. It's just like in dynamis when people complained that <insert drop> wasn't dropping for their group at all. Group B comes out and says they get the same drop almost every run. That's R.N.G. for you...

I still believe we should be able to trade coins we don't want, into coins that we do want. Atleast a 2:1 ratio but hell with the amount of ruin I have, I'd be happy with a 5:1 ratio lol

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Originally Posted by Jaffa

40 pages and you don't think there is a problem? lol

I've been spamming flux 7, I've completed Staff 5 times over. And I'm still sitting at 7 Advancement coins >.>

Big problem to me

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LOL you just got bad luck then. Most of these pages where started right after the update before how everyone knew flux 7 was the one to go to for coins.

the rate of coins and pouches isnt determined about how many ppl are in the same flux as you, and the rate is the same no matter what flux. The rate is as bad as Voidwatch

And there's no such thing as luck and bad luck with SE, Just poor programming

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Originally Posted by Septimus

The only weapon that I would really want (Farsha) is terrible, the single worst Empyrean Weapon, and one of the hardest to get because of the constant competition for Fistule. So yeah, this is why I will make do with out an Empyrean.

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It was actually the oppisite for me. When I originally worked on my Fistules, It would sit up for freaking hours because nobody cared to kill it.

Then of course the update came and it now with it dropping +2 mats which really made this mob a royal pain in the ass to do deal with in terms of claiming it. Suffice to say I was lucky I cleared out that stage when I did because I sure as hell don't want to even imagine doing it with the amount of people spamming it these days.

It's pretty stupid watching people holding that stupid Leech or Flan NM just to make sure they get claim on Fistule. :|

They really need to fix the older zones in Abyssea where you need multiple KI to pop the mob. Chloris and Sobek come to mind... It is completely unnecessary and adding much unneeded stress to the game. Though good luck with that, you would think that the developer would actually bother to change things to make it more fun and enjoyable? Nope, back to hamster wheel for us and try to get 1500 metal plates or some ridiculous amount of craps with super low drop rates. Time sink and grind are the new old things. Fun are the worst offender now.

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Originally Posted by Luvbunny

They really need to fix the older zones in Abyssea where you need multiple KI to pop the mob. Chloris and Sobek come to mind... It is completely unnecessary and adding much unneeded stress to the game. Though good luck with that, you would think that the developer would actually bother to change things to make it more fun and enjoyable? Nope, back to hamster wheel for us and try to get 1500 metal plates or some ridiculous amount of craps with super low drop rates. Time sink and grind are the new old things. Fun are the worst offender now.

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