Nerfing Ukko/Vsmite so lazy players can be more useful?

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Originally Posted by Tsuneo

It's also the equivalent of having stayed at 75 which would have been a hell of a lot easier for them. I suppose they should've just left us at 75, so that they wouldn't have to work very hard.

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The game has basically stayed at level 75. Levels changed, not much else has.

I think the problem with bringing the rest of the weapons up would have been empyrean becoming the new baseline for DD jobs. Mobs would get adjusted against these WS, which would affect everybody without an empyrean weapon.

And is it really game breaking to reduce what they can do? Have events suddenly become lolwar? {Warrior}{No Thanks} Level a real job!

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Originally Posted by Xantavia

I think the problem with bringing the rest of the weapons up would have been empyrean becoming the new baseline for DD jobs. Mobs would get adjusted against these WS, which would affect everybody without an empyrean weapon.

And is it really game breaking to reduce what they can do? Have events suddenly become lolwar? {Warrior}{No Thanks} Level a real job!

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I don't agree. Empyreans are easy enough to get. Back at 75 wasn't some fantasy of there being no subpar players. Those people with top of the gear always did better than the less geared people who wiped to things.

I think we all are tired too read that word "Balance"...
First give to us strong Job ability and Weaponskill that make you Enjoy the Work you spent for make Emperyans like Ukovasara and Verethragna (Both Terrible, Long Paths) but you will think also the work you do, will get payd back with 2 strong Emperyans, with very strong Weaponskills... so, we wasted our time? also why don't use your nice word called "Balance" on : Ochain: like 99% Block rate?
why don't use your nice word "Balance" on Wildfire? that Weaponskill overparse everyone in Voidwatch. that is not overpowered?
why don't use your nice word "Balance" on Tachi: Shoa? that ws is overpowered more than Tachi:Kaiten/Tachi:Fudo... so we made that Relics/Emperyan just for get overparsed by a Merit Weaponskill? seems you Square-Enix like use your "Balance" word too random and only on Warriors and Monks..

Paladin is still teetering on the verge of uselessness, Corsair desperately needed the buff, and we all know SE rides Samurai schlong.

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH I'm losing 10% effectiveness with the worst possible conditions on my super overpowered weaponskill!

WAR is still going to be the best DD in the game. Get over it.

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Originally Posted by Prothscar

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH I'm losing 10% effectiveness with the worst possible conditions on my super overpowered weaponskill!

WAR is still going to be the best DD in the game. Get over it.

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Finally someone else comes out with what i've been thinking all along.

War is suddenly not going to be gimp you're still going to be the top dd stop crying.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Hello.

Thanks for all the feedback on this topic.

Sorry it took a bit to give you this information, but as I am sure you all read, we were out for the holidays.

There have been some comments asking for other weapon skills to be adjusted so that they are stronger. We actually looked into this, but due to the very large differences in values we determined it would be difficult because of the way it would tie into the balance of power between jobs. (In the case that things stayed the way they are, the chances that future abilities and equipment would have lower stats or simply not be possible to add would become increasingly high.)

The principle behind the current weapon skill adjustment follows the same principles for the aims of why warrior has been adjusted (Restraint, etc.):

1. Prevent becoming overpowered
2. Establish balance between warrior and other jobs (make it easier to balance)

　
The below adjustments have been set up on the test server.
This is the chance of critical hit for TP100%/200%/300% respectively.

• Ukko’s Fury
  Before adjustment: 30%/50%/80%
  　↓
  Test server version: 15%/25%/40%
  
  
• Victory Smite
  Before adjustment: 15%/30%/60%
  　↓
  Test server version: 10%/20%/35%

Since there are other abilities and equipment to take into account, although I cannot affirm anything just yet, we would like to see if we can perhaps raise the critical hit rate a bit after looking at your feedback and development/QA testing.

We will be putting the re-adjusted data onto the test server during the first update of the New Year and would like to continue to test this.

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What the hell?

Stay consistent.

What's wrong with the current crit rate on the test server? It's fine as is.

I can see raising MNK's base to 15% @ 100% at least to match Ukko's.

However raising Ukko's Fury past 15%? What's the point in even nerfing it to begin with then?

15% 25% 40% is more than enough. What would the point be in 20% 30% 50%? 20% 25% 40% doesn't make sense either.

Leave it as is. It's balanced with the remainder of critical hit weapon skills.

If you made it 20% 100%, 25% 200% the difference between 100 and 200% becomes irrelevant. 300% is substantial, but you want at least some glory to fall at tiers of 200%. Not a bridging gap of 5%.

So again.

All for V. Smite being 15% @100% TP.

Completely against Ukko's Fury being boosted past 15% @100% TP, and ESPECIALLY against 200% and 300% are higher than current test server values.

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Originally Posted by Xantavia

I think the problem with bringing the rest of the weapons up would have been empyrean becoming the new baseline for DD jobs. Mobs would get adjusted against these WS, which would affect everybody without an empyrean weapon.

And is it really game breaking to reduce what they can do? Have events suddenly become lolwar? {Warrior}{No Thanks} Level a real job!

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They're just crying because they're getting their e-peen shortened.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Hello.

Thanks for all the feedback on this topic.

Sorry it took a bit to give you this information, but as I am sure you all read, we were out for the holidays.

There have been some comments asking for other weapon skills to be adjusted so that they are stronger. We actually looked into this, but due to the very large differences in values we determined it would be difficult because of the way it would tie into the balance of power between jobs. (In the case that things stayed the way they are, the chances that future abilities and equipment would have lower stats or simply not be possible to add would become increasingly high.)

The principle behind the current weapon skill adjustment follows the same principles for the aims of why warrior has been adjusted (Restraint, etc.):

1. Prevent becoming overpowered
2. Establish balance between warrior and other jobs (make it easier to balance)

　
The below adjustments have been set up on the test server.
This is the chance of critical hit for TP100%/200%/300% respectively.

• Ukko’s Fury
  Before adjustment: 30%/50%/80%
  　↓
  Test server version: 15%/25%/40%
  
  
• Victory Smite
  Before adjustment: 15%/30%/60%
  　↓
  Test server version: 10%/20%/35%

Since there are other abilities and equipment to take into account, although I cannot affirm anything just yet, we would like to see if we can perhaps raise the critical hit rate a bit after looking at your feedback and development/QA testing.

We will be putting the re-adjusted data onto the test server during the first update of the New Year and would like to continue to test this.

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So basically what you're saying is they're lazy? Why encourage the C and B students to do better when we can just hit the A student, right?