Job Vision: Watch paint dry

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Originally Posted by Dallas

Cop out. If melee damage is "moderate," what is wrong with attaching a word significantly better than "moderate" to the combined damage of Avatar + melee? I don't care where the damage comes from, I simply deal as much as I can as fast as I can.

Bandwagoner, didn't read your post. No one really cares what someone else told you to say.

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You can't rely on your Avatars to make up the difference, when you're trying to sell your melee. And please try to remember even with the Avatar factored in SMN was <1/2 of the WAR. Which seems bad, but try to remember we're not DDs we're a pet support/DD hybrid.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Do you really think they're just making stuff up with no intention of actually doing it? Did you know that many of these abilities/spells already have animations in the DAT files as of the most recent update?

This is a result of funny story telling and the telephone game. They NEVER said this. They said we were getting 2 new avatars, and that they wanted us to be able to keep our summons out more. Two seperate things, and both of them were achieved. They said NOTHING about the new avatars specifically being the ones we'd summon longer.

They used the word "example" to say that the exact changes are not set in stone, e.g. they could change. I won't blame you for being skeptical, as SMN tends to get the short end of the stick, but these changes are backed up by new data in the data files.

Finally, to reinforce this further, they would not name SPECIFIC avatars if they were not going to implement them.

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They did it before, and it ony took them 3 years to give out 2 new avatars. Sure rng woulda like to have gotten the -emnity for range attacks then they said "made you look" on the day of the update. I don't even play snm could care less but you have to take what ever SE says they going to do with a grain of salt. Till its in the game I won't bank on anything.

Tell us Raz, if my avatar's damage and buffs are not party contribution, why are you still a summoner?

How about we rephrase your bad fractions to "Dallas is approximately 25% of 3 people buffing a WAR superior to Raz?"

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Originally Posted by Dallas

Tell us Raz, if my avatar's damage and buffs are not party contribution, why are you still a summoner?

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Not talking about party contribution. Avatar, buffs, heals etc. can be used backline, so they have no place in a discussion about melee. If you want to justify a mages place upfront with the big boys, you have to do it with your melee alone.You can't rely on anything you can do just as easily, if not more so from the backline.

When arguing for mage melee you can count melee gear, buffs YOU recieve and /ja's that directly enhance YOUR DPS only. You can't rely on buffs you give to people, a pet that doesn't require you to frontline to use or anything else that has no bearing on your melee. A WAR can't count the extra damage done by his team mates when he uses War cry when calculating his own melee damage output, now can he?

How about you tell us what mobs you have melee'd solo.

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Originally Posted by Dallas

Tell us Raz, if my avatar's damage and buffs are not party contribution, why are you still a summoner?

How about we rephrase your bad fractions to "Dallas is approximately 25% of 3 people buffing a WAR superior to Raz?"

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K then SMN is <1/2 of a DRK without any support and <.05% of a WAR with 1 BRD?

http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/top.../060330_2.html

Bottom of the page. Unless there was some release I have never saw they never said you guys were getting 2 avatars before this CaitSith and Atomos. Thinking of =! We will. I'm really not sure why SMNs were always up in arms about this.

What gets me is the "We were promised 2 new avatars and didn't get them for 2 years!" is so prominent when the big lie in that post had nothing to do with SMN at all.

i luv smn but shorting bp is too much, i wouldnt mind having each avatars bp set, this would make changing avatars dangerous if not properly buffed so that you can swicth and bp with that new avatart so this to me would be fair as theres a point that you'll have to reapply buffs before you release/summon/bp a new one.

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Originally Posted by Alaik

http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/top.../060330_2.html

Bottom of the page. Unless there was some release I have never saw they never said you guys were getting 2 avatars before this CaitSith and Atomos. Thinking of =! We will. I'm really not sure why SMNs were always up in arms about this.

What gets me is the "We were promised 2 new avatars and didn't get them for 2 years!" is so prominent when the big lie in that post had nothing to do with SMN at all.

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Not sure if I understand you. Can you repost or edit your post to be more understandable please?

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Originally Posted by Korpg

Not sure if I understand you. Can you repost or edit your post to be more understandable please?

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I think he's saying that SE never promised us new avatars in '06 or even before they said they're giving us Cait Sith & Atomos, and wondering why SMNs were always so vocal about not getting "promised" avatars for so long.

He may be implying that the "where's our new avatars" discussions that went on for years was silly, and there was a lie somewhere in that post. I really can't be sure however.